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UKGPL Season 16 - Novices and Amateurs - Race 1 - 65 mod - Mosport

This will be the first ever championship race in the Novices and Amateurs Division, which uses the 65 mod.  UKGPL have run the 65 mod before, but not as an introduction to online racing, nor with the original tracks.  If you haven't done so already, you have to register to race, registration is here: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5133.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5133.0).  This will also be the first moderated race, though I'd hoped to provide an example from Mexico I haven't been able to.  Also note that there will be two separate drivers championships, with one for the Novices alone.

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:40 p.m.
(You will need to set up a channel called #ukgpl if you haven't already done so)
IGOR and Race passwords: see above

Server 3.ukgpl
IP address  87.194.135.42

Race date = 09-09-2008
Track = Mosport
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = INT
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = long (27 laps)

Make sure that you have enough race fuel to complete the distance!

Password: see above (#post_event_password)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=193&theme=6)

Moderation:  I'm hoping to be able to moderate the whole race, thanks to Bully I should have access to the server replay.  However only incidents that are reported are certain to be looked at.  Please can all drivers be very careful at the start of the race, many of the circuits are awkward at the beginning and Mosport is no exception.  The first turn is often okay, but on the second turn there's a tendency to slide to the outside which can endanger the field.  Moss is always a problem on the first lap.

Penalties are to be worried about after the race, with the exception of penalties for restarts.  The UKGPL rule is that you have to take a stop-and-go in the pits for each reset at the end of the lap, with the only exception being if your reset was caused by another driver.  The penalty for not taking a stop-and-go is thirty seconds.   Novice drivers may well want to take the penalty instead, especially if they will be lapped during the course of the race.

Chassis assignments: Unfortunately there hasn't been as much time as I'd wanted to discuss these before the race.  I'd like to have a competitive chassis championship if possible, and should we have drivers joining after the first race I'll allocate them to the weaker teams.  I've included all the drivers who have driven in the preseason races, if you haven't been allocated a car please contact me when you register.

Once you've begun to drive a car in the championship then you'll continue with that car, there'll be no switching cars by track.  However, the folowing list is advisory and if you'd prefer a different car for the season you can take one, with restrictions.  Cooper and BT7 drivers please stay with the cars allocated.  BT11/Honda/BRM drivers may use any of these chassis, as may Lotus and Ferrari drivers who opt to take a slower chassis.  Please do not move between Lotus and Ferrari.

BT7 CliveL, Lorenzo, Kruger*
Cooper CliveG, Hristo*, John*, Alain
BT11 Burt, b1rd, Bernie
Honda FMG, PBird*, Will*, Karlisss
BRM Ian, Jack, LRC
Lotus Art, Storm, SCutter, GPoole, DTown, vosblod*
Ferrari NickyI, TimR*, Asbjeurn, Norbert, Kiwi, Al

65 Mod

These were the 65 drivers
BT7 Bonnier, Baghetti, Hulme (Bonnier drove for Walker)
BT11 Brabham Gurney Gardner Anderson Siffert (Siffert drove for Walker, Gardner and Anderson were privateers)
Lotus Clark Spence Rodriguez Mitter Russo Solana (and Maggs Hailwood Attwood Amon and Ireland for Parnell)
Ferrari Surtees Bandini Rodriguez Vaccarella Bondurant Scarfiotti
Honda Ginther Bucknum
Cooper McLaren Rindt
BRM Hill Stewart
 
The 1965 season was the last to use the controversial 1500cc formula which had begun after 1960, to the initial advantage of Ferrari.  The 1965 cars are smaller than the 1967 cars and have less torque and hence more grip.  It was claimed that they 'cornered on rails', however this allowed the Grand Prix series to retain the use of circuits which were otherwise to prove extremely dangerous.

The 1965 cars are ideal for those new to GPL as they allow the tracks to be learnt in light reliable cars, however these are also full Formula One cars, and quite fast....  Mosport was first used as a Grand Prix circuit in 1967, yet it is perhaps more suited to the light 65 cars than the later 3 litre cars.

David Wright's 'Legends' site http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/  (http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/) has the download of the most recent 2.0.1 version (under 'details') as well as being an exceptional guide to both 1965 and 1967, for those interested in Formula One history.

Unfortunately the current 65 mod download does not have default setups.  Default setups can be downloaded from http://www.neurology-crew.com/gplserver (http://www.neurology-crew.com/gplserver) under '65 setups'.  Though there may not yet be a setup for Mosport, the Brands Hatch default could work, perhaps with taller top gears.  Note that you will also have to add enough fuel for the race!

Great, looking forward to the race.

Still having a little trouble with a few corners, but working it out and should be ready for the race :) Can't wait.

Yup - Looking forward to this aswell  8)
I transfered GPL across to an older W2K machine due to the tradionally horrendous XP/Soundblaster distortion I had to put up with the last time around :censored: so still clearing bugs out  ::)

I may be appearing and dissapearing tonight on the server while checking my connection is still good - Also need to actually get some practice in on the '65 car's as I've mainly been getting to grips with the 66's over the weekend.....

If you want some 66 action this week, BREASTS are running two Goodwood races on Thursday.  First for 3ltr cars and the second for the others.

Thursdays are unlikely for me I'm afraid (same as sundays - hence not trying Clubmans ) However I'll bare it in mind for incase :)

I'm a bit confused. I'm used to having a signup thread to announce my participation in , but here it seems like all I have to do is to show up on iGOR when the time is there. Is this right?  ???

You are already registered Asbjeurn https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=193&theme=6 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=193&theme=6).  The race wil be passworded and you should see the password at the top of the thread.  If you weren't registered you wouldn't have it!

FMG, you probably know already, but just in case...

I have a sound problem too which is resolved by turning the sound acceleration to normal (second from left on the slider), before I start GPL.

 :)

OK, thanks, Jack! We didn't have such advanced features back in NGPLS, so I'm not familiar with the routines over here. :)

Once you've begun to drive a car in the championship then you'll continue with that car, there'll be no switching cars by track.  However, the folowing list is advisory and if you'd prefer a different car for the season you can take one, with restrictions.  Cooper and BT7 drivers please stay with the cars allocated.  BT11/Honda/BRM drivers may use any of these chassis, as may Lotus and Ferrari drivers who opt to take a slower chassis.  Please do not move between Lotus and Ferrari.

BT7 CliveL, Lorenzo, Kruger*
Cooper CliveG, Hristo*, John*, Alain
BT11 Burt, b1rd, Bernie
Honda FMG, PBird*, Will*, Karlisss
BRM Ian, Jack, LRC
Lotus Art, Storm, SCutter, GPoole, DTown, vosblod*
Ferrari NickyI, TimR*, Asbjeurn, Norbert, Kiwi, Al


Jack,

Can I change from the Lotus to the BRM P261 before we start? Am suffering with rotating horizon syndrome in the Lotus!

Graham

I'd be happier with you in a BT11 Graham, considering the chassis championship and the continued absence of Soggies ace Bernie.  If you've put your practice time into the P261 thats okay, but give the BT11 a chance if you can.   

Yeah, I found that along with plenty of other potential fixes!
None of the ones I tryed worked though, so I re-installed on the older pc to save pfaffing about and everything's perfect now :)

As it's my old gaming rig which I built about 2-3 years ago it's still more than enough to run GPL with ease  :yes:



Anyway - really looking forward to tonight now. The Honda's an absolute blast at Mosport, I can't seem to not  drift everywhere!!  ;D

Was quite enjoying using the BRM but have no problems running the Lotus , I better try and get a few laps in before tonight and see if I can actually keep it on the tarmac  ;D


Paul

Good luck tonight guys.  I'll be stuck at work so wont make it.

Probably best I don't run tonight as still a little 'away with the fairies' from medication for a migraine  ::) is how my eyes feel at the mo'

Will that make any difference?  ::)

Probably not....and gives me the perfect excuse to boot! What chassis you in Clive ?  :angel:

Ah!

Form an orderly queue!

In a practice race last night I started alongside NickyIckx, who then proceeded to drift across the track towards me as we approached T1.

That sort of thing will probably earn him, and anyone else a smack on the wrist from the mods.

Best to keep it straight until you know that you have the full track to play with.  Probably just after T2!  ;D

Drivers Briefing Mosport

There'll be extra practice time before the race for the Novices, can the Amateurs wait until 30mins to join, in the unlikely event that we need to run two servers.   

The car you choose for this race will be the car you have for the rest of the season, make sure that you're happy with it.  There'll be no handicaps at any track, so unless you crash you can just race.  This is the first season so it's also about establishing performance levels, which is one reason for having some faster drivers in the fast cars.

Be cautious at the start, with a large field there may be lag and warp and GPL doesn't allow the visibility that the 65 drivers had.  Don't move across the track unless you're sure that it's clear, and don't drift to the outside on the corners.  Allow more space ahead of you, because the field will concertina and slow rapidly.  This means that on the first lap, when you start to turn into the dip on the approach to Moss, you should back off, and be aware that the cars in front will be backing off too.

When there are collisions, wait and reset if necessary- you'll lose more points by disconnecting that you would from anyone else's fault.  The Novices will have their own driver's championship, so that could mean a large number of points!

Resets- the Amateurs should take a stop-and-go at the end of the lap unless they believe that their reset was caused by another driver.  Since the Novices will probably be lapped, its better for them not to, however do not abuse this to reset cars that are merely facing the wrong way or you may be penalised for excessive resets.  If you go out of control use the brake, don't just wait to hit something.

A stop-and-go is to be performed in the pit lane, no more than half a car's width from the garages.

Ensure that you have race fuel in your car before you join the grid!!!!

Good luck!

Can't make it tonight, unfortunately. Am going away for a few days with my family, and haven't packed yet, plus I have some other work to do before I go, so good luck guys!

Sorry I missed this due to visitors from down under .

Jusst as well I didnt try to join as no P/W  got this message instead  ::)


Just as well,  I hate canada this time of year , it always rains so much my pre race "cuppa soup" gets watered down .

So register...  Sit down, it happens once a season, its not difficult, honest- just vote in the poll on the Novices announcements thread. 

The server went down and we had to use the backup so it was full anyway... apologies to those drivers who were unable to race, especially Jon who was unable to rejoin.  However, we should have two servers next time, if necessary. 

As I suspected my replay seems to indicate my lag monster took G. Poole out despite my trying to stay a safe distance from him (lap 14 I think) :(
Do you need my replay Jack or is this only required further to your incident reporting procedure?


Other than that I had a dire start - going from 5th on the grid up to 3rd in the 1st lap only to make silly mistakes over the next 3 laps and find myself down in 8th. Then after re-attaining 7th I was collected by a backmarker on lap 7 (Graham as it turns out - synergy and everthing!) and found myself behind S.Cloud who I chased pretty much the whole way home  8)
Finding myself in 6th for the finish  ;D

Shame I messed up early on as my setup appeared nigh-on perfect. I even managed to beat my Qualifying time I think somewhere in the last 5 laps  :angel:

So appologies to Graham for our two meetings, and congrats/well done to everyone for a brilliant race  :thumbup2:

Didn't enjoy myself at all I'm afraid  :-[ Not enough seat time in the lotus meant I spent most of my time careening of various parts of the track and unfortunately collecting a few unsuspecting people along the way So apologies to anyone who I might have hit . I eventually decided to retire and just spectate so as not to disrupt anyone else's race .

Plenty of time to practice for Watkins glen so hopefully I will have better mastered the Lotus by then .

Paul (aka Screw Cutter)

Not meant as a gripe old boy , mearley an observation  ::)

since me name is clearly on the drivers list  ;)

Only as not yet registered!

You need to be on here:  https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=193&theme=6 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=193&theme=6)  Vote!  Make it say 28 Total Votes!

Think you are looking at the wrong list Bernie me old mucker.

Tonight was the 65mod race called Novice and Amateurs Trophy.

I just assumed that you didn't want to know about 65s as you hadn't sounded too keen in the other posts when you thought that I had suggested using 65mod for Clubmans.

I was a bit tricked about the start time, thought the practice is started as usuall at 9 pm uk time, so I showed up too late hoping to catch the end of qualifying. Anyway, it was a full grid, so no room for a reserve, maybe next time, good to see so many people racing though.  ;)

Yes, congrats to dave on the first full UKGPL server in living memory.

Race was bloody hard work though!

Just to give Dave some advanced warning, I and therefore Gladys, will not be available in two weeks time as I shall be working my way back up the country from Goodwood.

Calling in at Bletchly Park to pay homage to the machine that made GPL possible.  ;D

 ;D ;D
THAT WAS REAL FUN  !!!!!!
Simply an fantastic race it was


Big hand to podiums ones and of course to all other drivers.

And thx to Jack for hosting !

My race in short words :

Qualy serves me a nice time  , only 2 tenth slower then my PB.
Start procedure and T1 as well T2 was clean.
Unlucky circumstance by two of the fast drivers lifted me up on 5th and to my surpeise I was able to race the car on 4th .
Till I  managed to burn up my engine  , which I guess was more based on an tremendous chrash I got at S/F , hitting a Ferrari was facing his nose in wrong direction .Jesus  , that was a shocking moment….
Well after my pitstop I was isolated on 7th , which I am more then pleased with.
A great race  , lots off fun.
Except the servers quality : my red latency thingy was all time half up and even that red Z thingy was still shown.

Anyroads  , I apollogies to those I might hit , mostly stranded up cars maybe , if my memory serves me well.

Looking forward to Watkins Glenn.
Hope we will have the right server then , beeing able to handle all 19 drivers .

regaards
Nicky Ickx

Just to say I really enjoyed my first race.
Apologies if I got in the way of anyone – did try to keep out of the way.
Anyway I hope you don’t mind a learner driver tagging along – been driving a month and thought I was getting good until I saw how fast you guys go. It has spurred me on to get practicing…
If anyone feels I am causing big problems chugging along at the back I won’t be offended if you want me to practice for a while longer before I come back to race again.

Glad I made it in the end, great fun.

Gratz to the podium and all who took part.

Vosblod, you did fine. Keep at it and you'll be in the thick of it before long  :)

Apologies if I tagged anyone, haven't got used to the 65s yet.

Sorry about that Nicky. 

There were some bad/warpy connections last night and they can sometimes drag the whole thing down.

That was the first time that Gladys has run with a full grid so if anyone else has any observations I would like to hear them.

Ta

 

A real shame that we had probs with the usual servers last night. Hopefully next time we will have two servers and no-one will miss a chance to race.

Vosblod, don't worry about being a little slower than us at the moment, just learn a little from each race and if you would like some advice...just ask someone. ;D
Please don't feel that you are too slow. My first online race was only about 2 years ago at Mosport in the 67's..and you better believe that I was total hazard on the track!! ::)

I thought that I had an outside chance of a podium place before last nights race, but it just goes to show that you never know what will happen.  ;D
I got just about the perfect start from 3rd spot on the grid and managed to get in front of Lorenzo before T1. I thought that it would only be a lap or so before Lorenzo would pass me and disappear into the distance but it seems he had a moment at the end of Lap 1.( I will have to look at the replay to see where he went) and left me alone to push on.
The scariest and most nerve wracking element of this race was the lapping of cars when Clive Loynes was only a second or two behind me throughout the race. I always seemed to be approaching Stirlings Bend when I needed to make a pass!!!!, never half way along the straight :-\.
As we approached the final laps I could see that Clive had Lorenzo right behind him, I was hoping that Clive's usual wide bodied car would keep Lorenzo behind and that their dice would slow them both up. Each time I caught a car to be lapped I lost a few tenths and the gap was closing all the time until on the penultimate lap they vanished at Stirlings... ;D phew!!!

To all those cars that got lapped .... PLEASE DO NOT WORRY ABOUT BEING A PROBLEM, AS LONG AS YOU TRY AND KEEP A STEADY LINE IT IS UP TO THE LAPPING CAR TO FIND A SAFE WAY AROUND YOU, AND WITH A FULL GRID IT CERTAINLY ADDED AN EXTRA DIMENSION TO THE FUN LEVELS LAST NIGHT. so do not feel that you were "in the way", it was great fun.

The warping issue was noticeable for some cars but that may be because we had over taxed poor Gladys without any warning.

Some Numptygraphs here

http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=327719

Vosblood I'm sure that no-one feels like that at all mate.  :) That is why this 65 mod is called Novice so we can get to know the new faces and also you to get to know us. We all welcome new faces to UKGPL and that includes you so stick at it and you'll get there in no time at all.  ;D

As for my race well..........

Qually went better than I could have ever expected and was in P1 until Lorenzo done one of his alien laps. Well done m8.  :)

As for the race that was a different story and at the start dropped the clutch too early and didn't have enough revs so I was in P4 before T1.  ::) As for the rest of the race well tried too hard and made too many sill errors including colliding with a Fezza parked in the middle of a bend. No damage done though so just carried on to see what I could do. Started to catch Nicky but made a silly mistake again and that was me relegated to 8th.

Never mind though as I enjoyed that race and if only I could hold my nerve in amongst you guys WHEN I qualify well then maybe I could get more points in the future.

C ya all at the next one.

Art

Vosblood , please stay here, do not leave.
I totally agree with  Art  , Ian and  EvilClive.
And sure all others will say the same.
To be honest , to me all backmarkers did a good job yesterday .and yes , lapping cars is part of the race , making it real thrilling.

So don’t worried you to slow or whatever !  ;D

As the others have said above and I said last night on Igor - stay with us Vosblod, you're not in anyones way and if anything help to spice things up  :thumbup1:
For instance I've learnt I'm much worse at lapping backmarkers than the more experienced regulars here, as Cloud was always managing to pull away slightly on me in the laps I caught someone  :)

I've certainly no problem with this as it's practice for me just as much as it is for you so stay with us :yes:

Now showing for a limited period only

MOSPORT 65 mod- The Server Replay

http://www.planet-venom.co.uk/gpl/

Download the three .rar files and glue them back together with WinRAR for the complete server replay.

thanks for posting the server replay.

is there any way that faster drivers can mentor new/slower drivers?

john

 :) btw. I did a pitstop  , not sure if its necessary to show it inside the result list..

Thanks for all the positive feedback, count me in for the rest of the season.
Re mentoring – if anyone could do that it would be great. Maybe a bit of online track training?
Looking forward to Watkins Glen…

If you haven't already seen it, Jim Pearson created a document for the GPL driving school which ran a few years back, may be of assistance - http://jrpearson.homestead.com/gpldrivinginstruction.html

If the faster drivers are going to mentor/advise the newbies, I guess the best way is to arrange an evening on the practice server when hopefully some of the faster drivers can offer pointers to those who would like some guidance. Perhaps Dave could post some time slots and set up the server for a practice session at the next venue and those who are able will drop in.

For those who are keen to gain speed, it might be worth downloading the replay of the last race and and set the view to cocpit inside one of the faster cars and watch the lines and gearchanges that are used.

The plus side is that you might see where there is time to be gained, but the down side is that if your setup is not the same as the car you are watching you may tie yourself in a knot.

Generally in 65's there seem to be two schools of driving...there is the smooth relentless style of Clive Loynes and the other is the hooligan style of throw it at the corner and hang on brigade. ( I'll leave you to guess which category I fall into)

The hooligan style worksd with 65's and 66's but with 67's you will burn your tyres inside two laps and disappear into the undergrowth very quickly. ::)

Many thanks for the replay Clive.  A tip from REED RACING- if you use WinAce to unpack .rar files, you can then uninstall it without crapping up the XP native zip, and curse .7zip purveyors instead...

So the results are posted, you've got until the end of Saturday to make any incident reports using the link underneath (thats if you feel there was an accident that was caused by poor decision-making rather than just loss of control), then I can sit back and watch the replay.

It's unfortunate that I wasn't able to have two servers for this, that left 4 Amateurs without a race, as well as Kiwi who was dropped during qually.  With only 5 Novices present, that means that when the Soggies let Bernie loose there could be a full grid of Amateurs by themselves.  Also, I'd like to see how the Novices get on with their own grid, so that's how I'm going to start Watkins.  Any of you who were put off by the faster drivers should take the chance to vote by your deeds....

3ukgpl should be back up soon, but with the Clubmans and the Historics there won't be a practice server until late Tuesday at the earliest.

Geoff, you will have to register before you race- I would have had to get you to before I'd let you on, even had there been space.

Thanks Geoff, all new drivers in this division will be listed R1 (reseve). However, as I want to keep the beginners league open during the season, there will only be a single grid if there is another problem with the main server, so being listed as reserve shouldn't be important with two grids to join.

If you still want to make an incident report from Mosport, can I have it before the end of today?  I'll look at all incidents that I have reports for, as well as watch the race.

Vosblod, from what I've seen your Lotus wasn't geared very well and it cost you on the straights- where was the setup from?

Re setup - found it on the online track database - filename started DARK. Will look into set up a bit more for the next race...

You could try the Watkins setup here: http://www.neurology-crew.com/gplserver (http://www.neurology-crew.com/gplserver) under 65 setups, it's always useful to compare different approaches.

Do I have to register again Jack? The first time didn't work? :-\

No, you have registered properly!  Though new drivers in the Novices and Amateurs may be listed as R1 reserve, we can continue to accept new entries because we're going to run a separate grid for the Novices.

In spite of several attempts both sitting and standing , I note I am still not registered . please tell , just what do I need to do ?

 

I processed your application ages ago Bernie.  So you are listed here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=193&theme=6) 3rd from the bottom.

A few other people seem to have this problem.  It might just be because your browser needs refreshing.  Try deleting the cache or history or temporary internet files to force the browser to reload the page.

Thanks Phil , I did note my name was on the drivers list when i tried to enter the Mosport round , but the server said i wasnt allowed to join (as mentioned in a previous posting )

All is OK now afaik , thanks for the help m8y see you ont' road soon  ;D