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Practice 1:	20:00	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:10	(15 mins)
Race:	20:25	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT1 or GT2 from the UKGTR Car Pack v2.8.5.0 (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519))
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Estoril
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel or change your tyres. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Upper Endurance
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Standings and schedule can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=182;theme=3)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack and track pack (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).

No Turtle- soup this time Dave  ;) ;)

Jan

:laugh: :angel: I suspect the 360 is going to be a lot more of a handful through the uphill chicane than the Lambo was! :o

looking forward to another Porsche v Ferrari battle here  8)

hope we have a good turnout.  :)

am still having fps troubles with GTR since the sp3 update.  >:(

I dont understand it,as it was fine for a couple of days after i reinstalled the latest Nvidia drivers. And then today i run the game again and my Fps are halved over what they were  ???  Im getting 22-30fps despite having a blinking 9800gtx card and reasonably high spec pc.

IR is running fine at class 1 with 60fps using v-sync !.

I've tried running GTR2 at different graphic levels but its still kippered. Any ideas guys ?

Mark
I loaded XP3 on my system the other day and it didn't change a thing, everything is working fine. If your issues are random then something must be triggering this, I know you have a number of GTR2 copies on your syetem, are they all the same ie loosing frame rates, if so you must have someting running in the backround, if not and they behave differently then it must be that particular copy of GTR2.
Just some food for thought.

Just did a few TT laps in the UKGTR 550. Heh, was a good 1,5secs slower then last time at Estoril when I practiced in a standard 575 (diff league). It's a fun track, but I have no idea how I will keep tire temps down. I'm guessing when they get worn to 10-12, I'll start sliding and the rears will cook, probably sending me off  :-\

Fun track though, perhaps with the exception of that very slow left-uphill right section, still can't get any consistency there. Not even sure how I'm supposed to drive it.

tried my other modded versions of GTR and they are suffering the same.  :(

Dont know why its just GTR that is suffering in halved Fps  ???

ive ran defrags, reg cleaners, the lot but nothings making a difference. Its got to be something just affecting GTRs graphics but cant think what it is.

Maybe try resetting all the graphics options, like the GTR2 setup util, any game profiles in the nvidia control panel. Maybe you've left a setting on? too much AA or AF? If its just GTR2 then it has to be something GTR2 related.


I'll be running around in GT2 tonight, in the Porker seeing how well i can drive it. Best so far is 1.41.7 on softs and starting on half tanks.

V sync should be off.

I'll be here tonight I think!

I had a relativley strong showing here in the sprint, a bit more setup work should see some more pace - and I'll hopefully manage to run my strategy as I want to and not have to change it to a less than optimal one a la Imola!
/me looks forward to the race :)

Worth uninstalling GFX card drivers then reinstalling again?

Maybe it's worth Backing up your user folder and reinstalling GTR2 again or maybe to a different location(drive)?

Total waste of time, no setup and what I cobbled together resulted, in for a numpty like me, an undriveable car. No matter how commendable it might be to finish the race I really couldn't take that pain for another hour. Sorry all.

The game froze, then PC froze. ::)

My PC had a complete black screen freeze with about 30 minutes left. Hope my car didn't cause any problems to anyone.

I wish if PCs were going to crash like that that they'd do it right at the start. :laugh:

My FFB/Center Spring in my wheel decided to not work in the race, so I was doing rubbish..went off a few times and became a hazard, so retired myself to save taking anyone off!

PC froze on lap after my stop around half way. And i was enjoying it and just starting to think i might be able to gain a few places with people pitting!

Basically spent the race right behind Prof, but made a stupid mistake when being lapped and got surprised how quickly they caught me into the chicane and while looking back missed my braking point and went straight on into the barriers. Luckily it hadn't affected the car and managed to get back up to Prof while trying not to get caught out by Legzy braking into the first corner ;)

Nearly went straight into the back of you but managed to get away with some simple body work damage by jinking left 8)

Good Race for me, my first outing in my newly acquired Porka 911 GT2 Car, 4th I think (my favourite GT2 position)
Good battle with API and Spanner, until Spanner just slowed right down after the pit stops what happened engine?
Then just needed to keep The Prof behind with a reasonable Gap. Congrats podiun in both classes 8)

Your frozen car was at the end of the backstraight so I guess nothing happened apart from me losing it  ;D

Great battle there BTW before the pitstop :)

Will watch the replay and then apologise to anybody I have to, I was doing my first race with a new steeering wheel and I was not completely comfortable :-\ apart from my PC crash and having to start at the back of course >:(

blew the engine couple of laps from the end,that gave MJ third, well deserved after all his PC trouble,he was faster here anyway.
Had a lot of fun with Leggzy in his Lambo :angel:

cu next time,

Jan

Well, that was a pleasant surprise. Thought I was going to be about 1,5-2 secs off the pace. Instead I could be competitive in the beginning, with fresh tyres. Not so much with worn tires though  :-\

A few laps into the race I was in 2nd in the middle of a sandwich. I hate being in the middle  :P  Still, it's pretty intense having to watch out both ways  ;D  Okay okay, I'll shut up now.

Quite big differences in different sections. I was totally lost the last three or four turns, braked perhaps too early into T1, and somehow was slow in T2. Exit to the back straight I had a clear advantage in the beginning at least, and you guys braked way early at the end of the back straight. My first couple passes there weren't even planned. Of course, there wasn't going to be any more after that  :-[

I say you braked early, even though I ran off there, but that had other causes. Both irl and in simracing I loose focus after a bit, notice it when I find myself contemplating how I'm going to explain away this awful mess I'm making of my driving/riding afterwards. I was just thinking I would say you braked early for this corner, when I foolishly ran it wide  :D  Wasn't even that hot going in. Sort of a mental target fixation.

For the first time ever, I've passed someone in the pits, yehaaa. What happened TT? Oh, and thanks for turning me in the right direction after my spin  :D, sorry about that.

Came out just behind Gazza, and then I ran it wide at that corner I mentioned. Tried catching up after that, but no go. Reign Man and someone else must have had a come together or something, because I didn't pass anyone yet ended up cruising to the finish in 3rd anyway.

Grats to FreQ and Gazza, and thanks to everyone for a good race again. Many GT2s/lappers left huge amounts of room, very kind of you.

Sorry for hitting you MJ, I was going to try the inside, but midexit you were so far in I thought you were letting me by on the outside, but I thought wrong.

Scared the carp out of me - ran through the corner of it but luckily no collision detected. :angel:

Great early scrap with MJ as Leuven and Gomes disappeared off up the road. Took me about 4 attempts to make a pass into the first turn work despite being miles faster out of the final turn but after that I was able to stretch out the gap. Stopped just after half distance, partly in reaction to MJ stopping and partly because my front left had reached 20 on the wearometer. :o

With Leuven's untimely removal I just had Gomes to chase - managed to close the gap from 10 to 8 seconds in the laps immediately after his stop, but once he'd warmed his tyres up I stood no chance of catching him and backed off, being kind to the GT1 traffic and simply managing the gap to the cars behind. Second place is a better result than I expected, helped by the disconnections of course but also by me really starting to get to grips with the 360.

The final round should be awesome - I think I may have just about sewn up the GT2 driver's title now, if so I'll be able to go hell for leather. ;D

I found the F550 hard work on that track :sweatdrop:

I got stuck on the side of the road for a while after a big mistake on the track. ::)

Had a nice fight at the start with Simon and got close to Madd just before I lost it. Sorry to Martin, I messed up the slow chicane and ended up blocking you a bit. The resulting 'touch' was my fault I think.

That's two fairly mistake free races for me at Estoril this week but never feel fast or comfortable here. I started with 100l fuel and worked hard to keep the Porsche behind for the first 40 minutes (was it Spanner?). I hoped to make time/places at the pit stops but lost places instead and couldn't get near JPS ahead of me and tried instead to make life easy for lapping GT1 drivers. Avoiding the Shark vehicle parked at the end of the back straight was the highlight of the second stint, I was mighty relieved to drive stright through his stranded car without damage.

Well Done to pods

You've been Vista'ed ;D

I don't think I will upgrade if that is the case :o

Just pulling his leg. He made a thread at the TS forum saying he upgraded to Vista and how good it is. Karma I guess ;)

Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20081005%20U8UE/index.html)

Been watching the replay and I actually did nothing wrong. But two cars disappearing behind me when I was passing/lapping them got me confused (but was just them stopping/spinning themselves ;D)

So as I said I had an awful race for 1. having not practiced with the Vette, 2. racing with a new wheel and 3. having a problem with my pc and having to start last.

During the first 5 laps I had to pass the GT2's and the slow GT1's, after that I was already around 30 seconds behind the leader. Kept that gap until I did another mistake fighting with Simon, which luckily didn't collect him! Pitted together with him but he exited the pits much earlier and I was alone after that, even more after his retirement :(

Next guy ahead was Zak, we know each other quite a lot on track ;D and he kept me behind. I did another mistake and race was then finished. Result (7th) shows my poor performance compared to the sprint race in the Lambo. My Tuesday lap records remain ;D

Grats to podium

Sat out of this one....really cant get to grips with that track and a busy week meant not much time to praccy.

Grats to podium....well done again Teamies...another super result.  ;D

Special grats though to Gizmo....Season 8 GT2 champion.  :clap:

I'd like to second that - well done Dave  ;D

Nice one Gizmo!

How do you fire your pit(s)crew? Lost two places there.  >:(
Had some close laps with Mike Hammer in first and with RM in second stint. RM lost his rear about 15 min to go so I came to 4th and I did the same in the last lap, lost a place.  :(  Was a good chase, though.  :)

Car felt much better than in Sprint, I had less wing, but the big straight is long and the slipstream is  :o

TT

Tell me about it. I put on more wing (10 on the rear) and Busi's Corvette was still leaving me behind on the straight even with a slipstream! :-\

I expect he had wing 5 or 6? I had 9 and the performance was hugely improved (had 11 in sprint) on a straight while I saw no downside through corners. In fact, seems like I had a bit too much wing still as I always came closer to RM through the corners and was not close enough to get by before the big braking.  :)  And vice-versa, I had to take a defensive position several times as his MC12 had better last exit speed and was better on brakes than my bulldozer.  :D  Was expecting this from Mike Hammer and his Ferrari, but not from MC12.  :-\

TT

LOL, I just put it down to me being rubbish, but I'm happy for the wing to be the issue. :P

phew, quite pleased to bag another podium in 3rd place despite all my fps woes this week.
Turned down all the eye candy and set Nvidia panel to 'performance' rather than 'quality' and that allowed my fps to creep up to low 30's but still bloody rubbish for such a high(ish) spec pc. It still meant that as soon as i had traffic around me in the corners it turned to 'jerk-a-vision' and made my braking a little haphazard, i could only really push when i had a clean track about me and then i could pump some fast laps in until lapping GT cars caught me again each time.
Qualied 3rd GT2 pipping Dave by a couple of tenths/hundreths? with my final run despite still being a second off my pb here (1:39).

First half hour of race was spent fending off a couple of Team shark cars in the form of DG and Peter. Had some good side by sides with Dave into a few corners both giving each other room to dance (could really do with trackIR in those instances!) but after a few attempts he made his move stick into T1 and got by me. Nice move.
Then Peter attacked me for a few more laps allowing DG to scamper off but i then saw Peter slide off at the uphill chicane in my mirrors and i had a breather/clean track for a few laps to chase back after DG. Alas i then got caught by some GT1s and lost a load of time with my stutter vision.
Towards mid race my rears were overcooking in the mid 30's heat and getting very oversteery under braking and i started to drop laptimes and finally span just before the final turn allowing Jan to close right up. I pitted next lap, good clean stop, just tyres, but was shocked a lap later to find myself back behind Jan by about 5-10 secs  ??? ...my stop was only 28 secs so he must have a demon pit crew!  :o
Chased after him like a man possessed and gave him a very hard time for many laps trying to find a way past until again a stuttering brake zone saw me run wide on a corner entry and i dropped a few secs. Chased and caught him again, only for it to happen once more  ::)
I gave up chasing 3rd at that point and thought not worth the risk with my fps issue and was surprised to then see a pall of thick black smoke emerging from Jans stranded Porsche. (most unusual to do an engine on an RSR...how did you manage that?) Unlucky mate with so few laps to go.
So i cruised over the line for a hard earned 3rd.

Well done to Gomez and DG on the other pody slots and good driving.  8)
GT1 boys were great too considering this tricky track, good patience shown by all.

The last round should be a great battle for the top 5 with only a handful of points between us. Hope i can sort my gfx out for that.

My stop was 22,8 ,only tyres, best i ever did  ;D ;D ;D
I blew my engine cause i had my duct on 2 i think you needed 3 last night.

Jan

I had it on 7 I think cause I started at the back and had to overtake a lot. So that wing difference could explain it :) I was pretty surprised a 550 behind me was not catching me in the straight lol

Good steady race for me!
Team mate Legzy and I were waiting for a proper 'showdown' !
and this was the closest we have got to one so far!
On the heavy fuel load, I was struggling for pace and Legzy crept away!
Once I was down to 70-80L then the car came back to me and I was catching him
by I guess a tenth ot two a lap!?
Really really great fun.
Unfortunately Legzy decided to destroy his front end in the wall at the last chicane
and had too pit with major damage so that was that!

Thanks all, grats to the aliens!  ;)

It was an F575 rather than F550 which I think is 5th in the straight line speed pecking order in the UKGTR car pack (Viper, Saleen, F550, Vette, F575, Lister and the MILES BEHIND Lambo). The extra 3 wing is too small to really account for the inability to even keep up in the slipstream, especially considering I would often get a better run out the last corner.

The Vette was never slow in a straight line mind you, something to do with American muscle, but heck I prefer my electrics to fail (not modelled in game, but definately modelled in my PC last night! :)) than my engine blow up (modelled in game). ;) :-*

But it was really nice to see us 5 close in a row in front. :wub:   A mistake from either one of us meant bumping (Mike) and loss of place(s) - RM.  :-\  Was third then when I pitted, but 5th after I came back on track.  :(  For once I'm satisfied with Saleens performance - though much less with mine.  ::)

TT

I couldn't find grip on the final exit, so my start/finish straightline speed was pretty bad. Had to go wide midcorner, slow down to get it to turn, and try to get a good drive with a late apex, but this didn't really work that well for me. Had the left rear orange or red coming out on that straight most of the time.

A good race but not a great performance from me.  Made two mistakes, the first was at the halfway mark when the backend stepped out just after the tight chicane and hit the wall. and then later went wide letting TT past  >:(

Hit a GT2 in the pits, he started to pull out of his box just when I turned in to enter mine which lost me time.

Was a good race though, got pole in quali and was able to stay in front until my mistake. Had a lot of fun defending and trying to get past TT.

good race but i could have done much better.  Tyres felt worse at the end of the stints than they did in the sprint. I was really having to tiptoe in the last 20 mins of each stint. must be down to the higher temps i guess.

as for slipstreaming. I had quite good speed around the last corner and was able to get right on the gearbox of TT's car but as soon as I pulled out I would stop dead so to speak in the clean air. It was all about exit speed and super late breaking into turn 1.  Nearly got you going around the outside TT but I scared myself doing it  ;D

see ya at the next one

well I once again had a bad qually... its a shame as earlier on during he day I was a second faster... but these things happen I guess. - anwyay coming from 7th I was behind TT and Mad. - TT got past. but I was then stuck for several laps behind Mad who drove very well in that lister btw. but unfortunately he blocked a lot of my potential overtake moves. and surprisingly was unable to get any tow on him on the straight as the lister last corner speed was far superior to that of the MC12.! - but battling on.. I did finally get the chance and took it cleanly. - but by then I was 10 secs behind the rest of the field. keeping the same pace but wasn't loosing/gaining time either.

After the 1st pitstop I was back into the same place. 6th. - and drove till the end with busi making an appearance behind me. but was able to fight him off and also he made a few mistakes in the last remaining laps.

Good racing from everyone. - I love the Mixed car class btw folks. - really intense racing.. cant wait fr next week now!.

Thanks all for letting me race again was a pleasure, as always!

Oops!
Meant to say sorry to Hal for a minor bump and spin at the chicane!
Error in judgement on my part!
Sorry buddy!  :)

NP mate. :)

I lost control a bit and got in your way so probably more my fault than yours. :-\ Sorry.