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Practice 1:	20:15	(5 mins)
Qual 2:	20:20	(15 mins)
Race:	20:35	(50 minutes)	note: no warmup

Cars allowed: any GTC from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.8.5.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
GTC includes: 360 Modena, 911 GT3-RS, Morgan, Mosler, TVR
Weather: Seeded from real-world conditions, fixed for the full event (note to server starter - set changeability to zero)
Track: Brno 2004
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: No mandatory pit stop.

Server: UKGTR Lower Sprint
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=185;theme=3)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the car pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).

So is anyone turning up for this?  :laugh:

Hope there is a better turnout than Nagaro.....the result can stay the same though  :D

This is the closest run in to a championship I have ever seen here...only 55 points seperating the top 4 drivers and just 11 points between 2nd, 3rd and 4th.....It's going to be a classic battle.

I'm sorry to say I'll be a no show, too much drinking to be done.

Quite disappointed, after trailing round in 2:05s in the TVR last season, I tried the Fezza last night and was straight down into the 3s on race pace, would actually have had a race with a few people.  Oh well, hope there's more than 12 tonight.

Like the Four Tops, I'll Be There.

I'll be there for some close racing action which is ever present at Brno  8)

'Think' ive sorted my gfx problem (fingers crossed), reinstalled the drivers yet again last night and GTR2 was running superb with full eye candy and high quality image and high fps. GTR2 looks better than IR when you can run all the quality graphic settings.
Ive no idea why it went so pear shaped for a week. ??? Will see what happens when i refire it up tonight.

ps..im sure this has been asked before  :P, but why are the points awarded so high for this championship?

The problem with high points for podiums is that you get an artificial standings situation where someone turns up for only 1 or 2 races gets a pody and then never shows up again, leaving us regular (non-alien) drivers languishing down the table. This season there are 4 guys in the top 10 who have only turned up for 1-2 races. :(
It also means if you bag a lucky result or there is a low turnout (like Nogaro) a driver gets such a massive points hike that it leaves others who would normally be in a tight champ fight with them trailing.
By my own admission ive not had a good season this time around with 'offs', house move and techie probs but even so, i should still be within a fighting chance for a decent top 10 finish but unless i score a lucky podium i am well out of the fight.
Isnt it a bit deflating for the majority of the drivers in the table knowing that your nowhere in the table unless you bag a pody?

Just throwing it out there as a suggestion, but wouldnt it be better to lower the points values to promote closer competition for the full length of the championship? Maybe its a factor for lowering attendance as the season progresses as people like to have goals to aim for, not find they are ??? hundred points behind their normal on track rivals.
maybe its just me thinks that?..if so, ignore my ramblings, im getting old  ;)

So, err, you mind if an irregular drops in for this race tonight?

It has been mentioned before....and in reality...the amount of points doesn't matter as much as the Ratio of points on offer.

If it was 20 points for a win and say 4 points for 8th you would still have exactly the same scenario of an Alien joining (and winning) for one race and being above you in the table....even if you had had 4 x 8th places.

(20 pts for 1st and 4 for 8th is the same ratio as used for 200 pts 1st and 44 points 8th as at the moment) (well, nearly  ;))

after the turnout for the last race in this series......BRING SOME FRIENDS TOO  :laugh:

We have too few drivers as it is, so yeah, bring some friends.  :)  MJ just says you have to finish behind him (runs for the hills...). 
:D

TT 

Just realised too....the close battle between the four drivers at the top (only 55 (or 5.5 MJ ;)) points between them) is also in four different cars too.

one can safely say Dave has the balasting dead right for this series.  :notworthy:

Sadly after Sunday's pathetic effort I've totally lost my racing mojo so don't expect to see me. Sorry.

ah well, still doesnt seem right in my befuddled head  ;D i blame my previous hedonistic lifestyle  ;)

shame your not racing Peter, have had some good battles with you on this track in the past. :(

so anyway, why the heck has the GTC sprint attendance plummeted so much lately? We used to have sell-out grids for this class only a season ago.  ??? ..or was Nogaro a blip due to its not so popular configuration?

I may join in my TVR :)

I should be ok to race. I will drive anything.

Turtle Soup will be on the menu at Brno ;D

Jan

i'll race too possibly in a porka! bruno is not a strong track of mine. but I'll come along for the ride none the less :)

out of interest.. is there a way I can find out how each car is setup on sever (everycar) with the balest weights etc?

Must be somewhere in the pack readme, I think.  :)

I'm sure if you select showroom it has the ballast on the cars spec. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I'm right off the top of my head.

Wheel out the Team Shark Trabant for one Mr. Kerr ;D

got to slow the bugger down somehow  ;)

I might show up to bring up the rear.....it's a big might though!

If this is a pre race head count, I ll be there. ;D

just run the skin pack installer again....but this time read it  ;) :laugh:

Hope you all enjoy the race as i wont be running mainly because i hate this track and can't seem to drive anything around here. Oh plus i need to have another go at trying to work out whats wrong with my pedals. Got the multimeter on standby to see if its a dodgy connection.

With so many races being run and no registration i've tended to pick and choose my races.

Ill be racing tonight ,had a bit of a break from gtr2 for a few weeks. cyall there! :)

I'll make an appearance for sure, see if I can luck into a result!

You can count me out of the championship race, I'm rubbish at GTR2 nowadays. :laugh:

That was murder.

Qualified 3rd behind Madd and Mike Hammer.

Just before the start of the race I ran to the toilet, came back and quickly selected my set up.

I realised half way around the warm up lap I selected the wrong one.

Car felt utterly dreadfull and was very difficult to control. Rear end kept snapping away under braking.

I was able to keep with Madd and Mike for a while, then Mike ran wide and I was 2nd. Soon after I had a near miss coming out the last bend and gave Mike back second.

As soon as my tyres got to about 15, just like last week they suddenly turned to ice blocks. I could not turn in to any of the quicker corners.

I had to watch SBG, Minton and TT all pull moves on me as I just could not turn.

Come next bend I turned and the car just ran wide and I thought enough is enough.

That's twice I've used the RS and twice the same thing, sudden and a crazy loss of grip.

In all my years of racing GTR2 I've never had any issues like this before and there is clearly something wrong. I am hard on tyres but wear is gradual and the car still maintains a large percentage of it's grip.

With the RS everything seems ok, then suddenly next to zero grip and I mean next to nothing. I simply can't even turn to make corners. ??? ???

Enjoyable race 8)

Great battle with NSFAST :)

Left front tyre was down to the fabric..........don't know how I kept it on :o

Wasn't very hopeful for a good quali or race, how wrong was I!!  :D

Managed a pb in quali, which I was very suprised at as online I'm usually miles off my offline times. Made a way too conservative race setup  ::) and the engine only dropped 1% so it probably cost me some time although my front tyres were shot after lap 15 with a warning 3 laps later!  :o .

Had a good scrap with Mike who eventually got past my slowing Mosler and Brian hassled me for a while too before dropping back, it was just a case of keeping it on the tarmac and braking early due to the tyres.

I just managed to hold Ian off for 2nd though, extremely happy!

Grats to Mike and Ian.

Mixed bag that :)

Really not happy in quali. I flashed someone on their outlap to let me through (why should I have to do that after all these years) and they still cut me up anyways. I know I shouldn't react but I was steaming and cwap time in quali was the result ::) Mirrors gentleman.

Didn't half set up a nice race though :) Brilliant dice with Dan and the struggling Brian. After a half hour of eyeballs on stalks stuff I finally gapped them and was catching Matt quickly. Had visions of a KC 1/2 until I checked my fuel gauge. Had to let Matt go and got caught running outta gas with 50cm to go :o What a crock, indeed.

Cwap start and finish but an excellent race in all. Congrats to Mike and Matt :notworthy:

What an arse my car was! I didn't expect to be struggling so much, not only with superworn tyres but from the very beginning.

Quali went really good on med-soft tyres but I had to pick hard-meds for race and the car wouldn't turn in properly at all. And even with a hard front left I got its tyre wear warning with 5 laps to go!!! I kept up with the top 3 pushing hard until I made a couple of mistakes running a bit wide. Back to 8th I kept following the TT train lol ;D had a couple of wheel to wheel fights with Psuedo but we were obviously not gonna risk too much with him battling for the title, so he stayed ahead, but then he lost it in the last lap :(

6th for me

Had a great race with Evert which was fun, but by the time I got past when he finally made a big mistake my tyres were already past their best and my laps times were doing nothing but getting slower. This made it very dull to the end driving a on my own in a car that felt like a hairy rugby ball.

I don't like these 50 minute races very much, they are 10 minutes too long for a Sprint imho. The last 10 minutes usually feels like a chore rather than fun and this race was no different. Next season I would like to see a return to 40 minute races.

The Morgan tyre wear is bonkers. I wished I'd put hard fronts and soft rears as I was on a shade under 30 on the front left and a shade over 10 on the rear left at the end of the race.

Similar to my Mosler then Simon, 33 soft front left,  16 med rears.

Great Battle with David Milne then the same tyre problems. Over 35 front left when I gave up looking on the last lap.

HUGE apologies to NSFast who caught me on the last lap. I tried to leave you room up the last hill and lost it off the racing line into the last corner causing you to crash as my front left gave up the ghost - completely my fault.  :(

wow, forgot how competitive GTC is when we have a good turnout  :P

Qualied about 8th or 9th, pipped in the dying seconds by teamie TT  (old habits die hard eh Tom ;D )

Race was all action from the green light. Tucked up behind TT and Pseudo who seemed to be pretty ragged in the opening lap or 2, which at one point made me back out mid corner to avoid rear contact but allowing Zak to squeeze past up the inside with an excellent move.
That started 40 minutes of some of the most intense racing ive had !  8) I enjoyed a brilliant battle with Zak whilst DG kept station a few secs behind no doubt enjoying the view and hoping to benefit from our action.
We were at it hammer and tongs, often side by side and taking different lines to gain an advantage for lap after lap.
Eventually i really put the squeeze on even more and got by him with a pretty good move if i do say so myself  ;D
I was elated after chasing him so hard for so long, great battle mate, very clean  :-*

I then started to pull out a few secs and watched in my mirrors as Dave started dicing with him. I started to gain on Busi and Pseudo up ahead but then disaster struck, i took a slow speed left-right combo exactly the same way i had the previous umpteen laps but for some reason the car jinked left offline and i had to painfully slowly crawl around on the marbles on the outside of the turn allowing Zak and DG to get back past. :'(  i was gutted to throw away all that blinking hard work  :taz:

Despondently and deflated i set back after the pair of them but with only 10 mins remaining knew my work was cut out to catch and then pass them both. Fortunately for me, a few laps later, zak went off at the exact same corner and i reclaimed a place. I started catching Dave again but my tyres were shot with only 5 mins left and i had to settle for a lousy 9th place despite all that effort !

Great pace in the top 10. Well done to the podium guys, fantastic race  8)

Soft fronts?! :o :o

I was on medium fronts getting that shade under 30 wear! ;D

WTF!! I was on HARD fronts and still finished on 35 front left tyre wear! Me being a tyre killer doesn't help though lol

The mosler setup I made is very kind to the front tyres, so much so its sometimes difficult to get them up to temp!
They were hovering around the low 80's iirc. (the beauty of Motec!)

It was one of them again....loads of praccy, setup feeling just right...quallied well, car felt great with a pb in 5th.

Race started ant the car felt like cwap  ???....back end all over the place for the first lap or two till I adjusted to how to drive it....lost a couple of places on that lap after a major tail wag and then a third place went....although I'm not yet convinced it was taken 100% fairly  :-\ (will wait for the replay obviously).

So when I got used to my 'new' car, I started chasing Busi, Dan and TT ahead...busi lost it a bit and I managed to squeeze infront....(phew, thought he was going to actually RACE me for a moment  :laugh:)
It took till 10 mins to go but I eventually got on the back of Dan and TT as they were having a bit of a battle between themselves. Almost got Dan up the hill under braking into the left hander before the s/f straight but couldn't quite get the overlap and had to back off.

Started getting close again but then overcooked it on the long right at the end of sector 2 and spun out onto the grass handing places to Busi and DG. Gutted.

Grats podium. Good race.....cant wait for Mugello...I like that place  ;D

 :balloon:

Well, that was an unexpected win. And a *really* long time since I had a race without a single spin.

Very lucky that I was able to retrieve my old setup from S7 back in march. Good thing this forum has a show all post by user, and even luckier that filefront still keeps my old setup file around. Don't get me wrong, it's nothing special at all, but it is better then default. At least with Psuedos corrections.

Good dice with MADD, Kerr, and Busi in the beginning. I foolishly locked the brakes into T2, going wide and dropping from 2nd to 4th. Got back 3rd from Busi on the downhill brakes and Kerr had his issues and gave me 2nd. Time to chase the leader.

Chased Madd for quite a few laps, and was looking for a place to make a pass. Tried on the downhill brakes a few times, my favorite place, but no go. Finally got a good drive out of the esses, and with the help of a bit of drafting I could get in Madd's way for the long righthander. Good race.

After that I guess Madd's tires were giving him more issues then I got from mine, as the distance grew slowly. Last 20 minutes just cruised by myself, trying to baby the left front and stay on track.

Even though I took 65l fuel for 29laps / 57 minutes, I was still worried the last few laps. Fortunately time ran out just before I crossed the line, so no worries there.

There's something about the Modena and Brno for me, not my favorite track or car or anything, it just fits very well somehow. As long as you mind the left front, it's very easy on the tires. Think I finished with 19 on the left front, 15-17 on the others, all medium. I practiced a whole lot, and I mean a *lot*...back in march for the S7 Brno race, and while that one didn't go quite so well, it finally paid off now, six months later  :D


Sorry to hear about your woes Kerr, really odd behaviour that. Looked at your times on the praccy server and thought I wouldn't have a chance, but I sure would have liked to try.

Been having pretty poor performance in S8 so far, so nice to be competetive at the front for once. Thanks again.

Oh, who was it that knocked me clear off track, over the railing, after the race  :D

I just couldn't get a good feel for the Modena during qually - I'd done a Skippy race earlier (11th to 4th of 14!), maybe that wasn't helping. Started just ahead of two of my Shark brethren and behind the faster of the Dutch Turtles.

Took it relatively easy on the pace lap, knowing that front left tyre wear was going to be a major problem, and just concentrated on warming the brakes towards the end of the lap to avoid any scary T1 moments.

Evert was nice enough to make a mistake coming out of turn 3 and I nipped by. Next was nsfast - I must applaud his heads up driving :clap: when I made what looks on the replay like an inspired, genius dive up the inside into turn 8 - in fact I was just looking for my braking point, and the first indication I had that I'd missed it was his 911 going backwards on the right. :o Never one to look a gift horse in the mouth I set off after the Zak/MJ battle.

For most of the race i was utterly unable to close the gap on them; then suddenly with about 20 minutes to go I started gaining heavily as their scrapping got more direct. MJ slipped by Zak and having looked after my tyres I was able to slip by and set off after MJ, who was then kind enough to throw himself off the track, giving me 8th with Brian's retirement.

The gap to Busi ahead was steady at 7 or 8 seconds until the last 10 minutes, when suddenly I started closing. Too little too late though and 7th looked out of reach with a gap of 4 seconds remaining on final lap - but there was a twist in the tail as I rounded the corner at the end of the back straight to find Psueueueudo's 360 trying to extract itself from the barriers. Lucky number 7 was mine!

I don't know whether it was the fuel load or just a change in mindset, but I found the car was transformed in the race - the smooth, conservative style I've been forced to adopt in the 360 to avoid snap oversteer under braking really paying off, both in terms of tyre preservation and outright pace.

Woo! :w00t:

Well that was great...Had a great battle with TT for nearly the whole race with me in front for the first half and him the other, Only one slight bit of contact which was my fault. Was getting a great run out of the first corner but TT was always a litlle later on the brakes into the first left hander and i could never manage to quite pull the move off. Had Bob for company in the second half of the race , Bob was attached to my bumper at some stages and if it wasnt for the extra bit of punch out of the corners in the porsche then i think he would have had me. Sorry for closing the door a bit to harshly going into the second to last corner , didnt realize you were so far up the inside.
Had a good moment with SBG and Kerr for half a lap ,at one stage 3 a-breast..top stuff.

Grats to Mike and Matt and unlucky SBG, third was yours mate.

Cheers

Might've been me - I saw a big pack and headed for it at full speed. :laugh:


Hmm, the total opposite of my experience - I wonder if there is a difference in balance between the front and rear tyres in medium and soft compounds on the 360 which means that a setup for one doesn't work at all for the other. That would go some way to explaining why I've found the car so hard to get to grips with.

Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20081007%20U8LS/index.html)

Might be my first race in Brno in all seasons without a big mistake.  :) Great battle with Dan, as you said, we actually swapped places two times, I think. Good stuff.  8)  Had meds all around and they were over 25, LF a bit more.  :)  Had calculated fuel usage twice before the race, couldn't believe it was so much wrong. Took 90 l fuel just to be on the safe side. Came with 5 l left - unlucky, sbg, same situation as I had in the first race in Hock  :-\  I must say I made more than 50 laps in training and had the most unusual setup so far. Soft front end and quite hard at the back, guess this made tyre worn more equal. Grats Mike & Madd and others. One race left.  8)

TT

No problem Prof. :)

A very mixed race for me. My usual much too conservative start for the first few laps as car after car went past me, and finally an unforced error put me at the back. I always seem to qualify higher than I should and am then under pressure straight from the start.

I picked myself up and started to get used to the car and track and from then on it was a really good fun race. Went past API, then had a great battle with JPS for a few laps  ;D, then past Jan D and a last lap sprint to catch Prof.

Congrats to the podium guys and thanks to the organisers.

congrats to podium!.

Well I did not have any practice at all before race. nor did I have a particular good setup a bit too much throttle oversteer on exits....

...however what I did get is a ace battle with Dave Jonzo (apologies if name not correct) - I manged to take advantage of early traffic. but I was unable to shake him at all..so I just pushed and pushed but to no avail... this however took a beating on tires and was seeing a dropofff on laptimes. so I knew I was unable to hold him off for too much longer....we had almost an entire lap side by side moments before he took me on the inside with a great move. unfortunately my tires wear caused me problems to chase him back down...

...moments later I saw him off track and reclaimed my prize.. until the inevitable happened...I lost control and took a kung foo lesson with a wall... guess who won!.

Good clean racing david. enjoyable.


Till next time..

Dunno who must feel insulted now :lol:

aaargh !!...i've been morphed into Dave G ! :scared:  :laugh:

for future ref Zak its 'Mark' or MJ  ;)

or countless other unsavoury names used by TS drivers against my good name  ;D

Great racing, really enjoyed it.  8)

As the door is wide open...

MJ = Mary Jane. :P :angel:

I always thought MJ = Mod Junkie  :-* :laugh:

hehe, not far wrong Pseudo  :)

not that i ever find time to use or race them properly  :(

Looking at the complete lack of posts on No-grip or RSC lately, seems the bigger long awaited mod packs like the FIA and ALMS came just far too late for the GTR2 sim community. Most of the sim racing forums i normally visit are like graveyards lately. I blame simbin for losing the momentum with no updates, patches, add-ons and then bringing out GT Evolution  ::) They could have re-invigorated the whole racing community but peeps have lost interest on the whole.  :(

Glad to see a good turnout again last night  8) Racing was great all through the field.
So does that mean Nogaro turned off drivers ?...similar thing happened with Adria, seems a lot of us dont like the silly little tracks.