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Practice 1:	20:00	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:10	(25 mins)
Race:	20:35	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT3 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.8.5.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: UKGTR Brands Hatch 2005 GP (v1.0.1.0 - download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_brands))
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Lower Endurance
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Championship standings can be found on the series page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=183&theme=3).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the car and track packs (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).

I was going to make this a Super Endurance event but with the slightly dwindling late-season grid size it seems wiser to run it as a standard event.

 :no:

Understand Dave, I just love those long ones!?  ;)

Then Dave is not the guy to be at :P.

Not av'in a go buddy!?

Just obsessed for some reason with the Super ones!
No complaints here!?

I did have a go, but only a quickie.

Give me some tips to driving faster !  ;D and I'll let you off!?  ;D  ;)

I like the long races also but I also like the 80 mins races. Happy this is not a super endurance as haven driven the real Brands, this layout is so far removed from what the real life track is like, it seems really strange to me to drive.

So, given that your last race was on the GTR2 track and not the UKGTR corrected length version, just what is a good lap time at Brands?  ???

Dave says that the race finished 7 minutes early as a result which would suggest a difference of 14 seconds a lap over the 29 laps. Which I find difficult to believe unless the original goes half way to Dover.  ???

I have setup my graphics options for a low end card as it is getting a bit long in the tooth.  It's an FX 5950 Ultra with 256Mb of memory.  Yep, some of us poor people are still on AGP.   ;D  Any ideas if this is the right thing to do?  ???

Well baffled am I.

Let's see. The announcement says "UKGTR Brands Hatch 2005" which I don't currently have. But the server is set with the normal "Brands Hatch" track, which I have but at the same time has that problem with the race length. The race with the current server version would end around 10 minutes early according to my calculations. Let's make this clear, either change the announcement or the server track, cheers :)

ok...the server is now running the UKGTR version......which you don't have so I advise you to get it, as that is the one that we will be racing at.

Thanks for pointing it out, it is a little confusing at times but even more so for the folks that actually start the servers etc. Sure everyone knew really though that it would be the ukgtr version we would be using....especially considering this is a ukgtr race.  :P :laugh:

Oh - the 'standard' one shouldn't be available on the server. ???

This circuit has certain corners that are just waiting for you to make a mistake....gonna be a tough race :o

I'll be behind you waiting! lol  ;D

I'll be on the grass waiting.

If you want a PIT IN from me you had better let me know how.

I guess it is something to do with pre programmed text messages but I haven't found out where you put the text in.

EDIT:  Might have found it but I can't see any evidence when I hit the designated button?

I think its under options and under advanced.

Don't worry about pit in / out messages. Most people don't seem to use them.

Another thing to remember Clive - turn on the driver labels (they appear as the driver name above the car) - it is tab on my system. This is very useful at pitstop time as it lets you see cars in the pits and coming out of the pits when they would normally be hidden. I know it is slightly unrealistic but then simracing is a major compromise on real life so this seems fair enough to me.

HUH.

Ran a little wide into T1, 2 cars passed me so I accelerated after them but overdid it a little and ever so gently kissed a wall.....puncture and stuck in the quicksand.....interest lost.

Hope everyone has a better one.

Disastrous race. I'm getting really fed up with GTR2 being so ******** unstable. Why put the effort in when half the time it makes no difference? When this season's done, I'm taking a break.

Whatever  :cursing: :censored:

Awesome battles with Evert, Michael Boylan, Pete and even FreQ for a short time - took a big gamble starting on softs which looked like it was a really bad move towards the end of the first stint but with the skies darkening, track temperatures falling and eventually a hint of water in the air, and despite a huge spin on the run down to Stirling's Bend early on, somehow I managed to pinch 4th with just a few laps to go for by far and away my best result of the season, and what might turn out to be an important handful of points for the team.

If only it had been a Super Endurance! :D

Poor race for me, with at least a couple of unforced errors putting me in the wall twice.

However, still ended with a fine chase to the line trying to catch JPS. He drove consistently though and I couldn't catch fast enough. Great driving  :D

Another good race. Had a good qually but knew the vertigo's would be very quick .  Busi and TT started to pull a gap at the start but started to hold each other up and i closed the gap. Managed to get in front for a bout 500 metres going down towards Hawthorns with a bit more grunt from the Baemer but locked the rear wheels and TT and Busi went back through.
This left me about in 3rd about 4 secs behind Tt. Traffic was coming up so thought i would stop to get some clear air. This seemed to work or TT had a bad stop and managed to get passed Tt when he pitted. Had a 8 sec gap but knew TT would close the gap on fresh tyres which he did with 2 laps to go . Then on the last lap going towards Druids i made my only real mistake of the race and TT went though (might have got me anyway) but still a bit miffed with the mistake.

Not sure who i hit towards the end but your car was invvisible. ???

Grats to Busi on the win.

Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20081012%20U8LE/index.html)

Well. That was fun. Made a good start and settled in behind Psuedo. Decided to just sit on his tail and try and keep with him which seemed to be working. After everyone pitted in front of me I found myself in 1st. My tyres were great and I really did not know if I should change them or not. Twenty mins to go and the dark clouds came in and had to pit and decided not to change tyres in case the rain came and just add fuel instead. Managed to get out in 3rd ahead of TrueTom but I knew I was a sitting duck as my tyres were half dead and he passed easily. Then Dave and Evert caught me up and again, I could not really defend too much. I was praying for rain as I love it and so does my Lotus but alas it did not come. I ended up finishing 6th which is where I started. So not to bad but I had really hoped my strategy would pay me better. Not sure how Dave does it but he always gets me in the pitstops. I bet he could start last and he would still jump me in the pits.  ;D

Cool race!

Didn't expect TT to set such a fast laptime in quali, so started 3rd behind him and FreQ. In the first lap I made contact with FreQ, I don't know if you noticed me mate but I could not go more on the inside, sorry anyway :-\

The battle with TT during the first stint was great, a lot of side by side action that allowed Dan Minton to close on us. A shame that a slight touch put him some seconds behind again.

I took the lead and increased the gap to TT a little. I changed tyres, but he didn't (at least in his first pitstop :P) but I still was ahead. Then he pitted again so I had an easy 2nd stint. I love the track so I kept my concentration even if I ran a bit wide several times by trying to push hard and set some fast laps ;D

Looks like FreQ had frustrating problems, I wish I had not pressed ESC in Imola, I would be on for the title now :'(

My connection has been playing up all weekend. :'(

I was really looking forward to this race as well.

Considering I didn't spend a single lap in true competition with anyone after about lap 5, I still rather enjoyed it... just trying to constantly break down my own fastest lap times. Set a PB in qualifying & then managed to break that a few times during the race, eventually by nearly half a second.

Shame about your spin picnic. As I came around the corner at full tilt & saw you'd done a 180, I tried to react but had nowhere to go. We both got moving on the grass straight away again so I guess the contact hadn't done too much damage. I managed to get away with not repairing anything, as car was still handling OK.

Thanks Ted, it was touch and go on that last lap only just got across the line before you, had to really keep it wired together, once your pressure began to bear down on me towards the end, my front tyres were down to the fabric :o

When I said there are a number of corners here that just wait for you to make a mistake...well i had my mistake on lap 2 I think, dropped me to towards the back of the grid, hard fight up to 8th my best result so far 8) great battles with Spanner and Ted along the way 8)

Wouldn't worry about team points too much Dave.....

Busi has deserted us  :P :'( for R24/7.....I went out early and Ted was our only other runner tonight  :(...so the grand total of 3 team points means we are 14 points behind with only 1 race left.

I'm sure you can coax a couple of extra aliens in to the last race to help ensure your victory.  ;)

well I got DC'd just before race rather anoying..although I didn't practice. as my qually time was pretty bad. - but I know the track well and would of been a lot more confident in race pace. (possibly) - looks as if I missed out on a good race. - shame!. next time!

Sadly my car was nursing some damage before hand, you may expect some understeer they told me. So why did the car swap ends on my half way through the corner with no front end grip and stop dead unlike if it had loads of downforce where I would have carried on much further :-\ No fault of yours Legzy and I'm glad you didn't pick up any significant damage.

Rubbish race for me, too many little mistakes and one big one that cost me the damage  :'(

Well, that was an experience.

All started to unravel on the formation lap when Legzy threw me a curve ball by throwing himself in the gravel at Stirlings.  Whilst I tried to remember the relevant procedure he regained the tarmac and scuttled off.  Leaving me trying to remember which was the speed limiter button.

By the time that was sorted you were all miles away and I judged that as Legzy disappeared into Paddock it should be safe to take the limiter off again.

Trundled round and round quite happily until I started to be lapped.  Then things got a bit hairy.  Hope I didn’t cause too much anxiety. 

I only had one “off” of my own, the rest of my trips to the gravel were the result of trying to get out of the way and then over doing it.

Don’t suppose there is any chance of Road America being flat?  My z3M was getting in a right tank slapper through Dingle Dell and I would like to find out what it is supposed to feel like under normal conditions.  Hawthorns and Westfield are about the only two corners at Brands that I would call normal.

Not given in yet.

Well, that was one of the more tiring races recently. After my lucky lap in quali (I don't think I could do that laptime again  ::) ) I was quickly passed by Busi - didn't expect such a quick pace after your  :wheelchair: in quali.  ;)  Freq had some more troubles with the car - must be the car, in every other series your 2 sec faster than me.  :D  Busi then made a mistake and we were then very close together, swapping places, trying to stay away from eachother - I don't think we made any contact, did we? Good stuff! :fencing:   That (and his great pace) allowed Dan Minton to close the gap and he passed us both. We made contact, me and Dan in the fast corner entrance. Didn't see the replay yet, but in my view the reason was the speed difference at the entry into the corner. Dan went sideways a bit and this slowed him down. I think he would have normaly made the corner - it's how the that crazy xxxx  ;)  drives. Anyway, we touched (lightly, just a breeze) and he spun. Sorry.  :( I wanted to stay close to Busi and if I'd wait for Dan, Busi would drive away. So I decided to drive on and let Dan by when he catches me again - I had no doubt that he will.  :)

Pitting was a nightmare - rookie mistake caused changing tyres only and no fuel being added. I had to pit again just for fuel.  :(  Came out of the second pitstop just behind Michael Boylan (linus27 - what's with the double name mess  ::) ) in his Elise. Not my fault, Mike, you were hasty. Elise is fast enough to keep Vertigo behind - if you don't spin under braking, that is.  ;D   Was about 13 seconds behind Dan Minton then, with 30 minutes 'till the end of the race. Chase was hideous - great driving, buddy. Gap was closing sloooooooowly - only got on his tail in the last 3 minutes. Wasn't really sure if I will try to pass (even if I could) 'cause of our previous contact - I just wanted to catch him.  :angel:  Well, he made a mistake and went into sand - bad luck, buddy.  :-\

2nd place and still in the game for Championship title. Roll on to Road America - finaly, finaly a race at this great circuit.  8)  Too bad it isn't Super Endurance. Well, I guess this is more a ViperCC teritory with the loooooong straights. Well, beemer also. And Elise, Nissan, Porsche. Hm, ok, everything is faster on straight than Vertigo.  :P But we'll see how their tyres last.  8)

TT

The Elise has been wonderful with the default setup at all other tracks I've tried it on. Not here. Horrible, disgusting understeer that I could not get rid of. Only thing that made the bugger turn was going over the light gas - no gas boundry, because even at continuous complete lift off didn't do the trick sufficienty. This, coupled with full throttle uncontrolled oversteer didn't do wonders for me.

Brands is an absolutely smashing track however.....in TC65 in GTL  ;D especially the Alfa.

After my umpteenth off/spin I saw I was about to take out a Nissan as it approached to lap me, so I quit in shame and disgust. Better "luck" next time.

Well it's not flat but there isn't anything as bad as Paddock Hill.  ;) It's a fantastic race circuit actually, one of the best in the world I'd say, although obviously I've only ever driven it on a PC.

Yeah my fault totally. Graham Hill bend was a nightmare. Third gear was too slow on the exit and second gear you had to be careful or the rears spin up. As I never changed my tyres, I had less grip on the rears so when I dropped to second to get a quick exit, I did it slightly to early causing the rears to spin out making my back end step out. Don't forget we can't change the gear ratios in the Lotus so your stuck with what you get.

I agree with Mike, the Elise really suffers with snap oversteer at times but even worse, major understeer. I was struggling all race to get the car turned in to meet the apex. It was either to early or way to late.

Don't understand what you mean about the names thing.

I have driven the real circuit a few times. In fact I am up there next Wednesday. The PC version is nothing like the real version, especially Paddock Hill. The drop down through Paddock Hill is enormous and every time you go through it, it feels like you whole head compresses into your shoulders. Even at 15mph in a minibus, let alone at speed in a sports car. After a while, it actually starts to hurt. It also knocks the wind out of you or zaps your energy as your whole body compresses. Druids is also profiled wrong. The real version you need to V, so turn in late, meet the apex mid corner and then let the car run out wide.

It was great to drive the full version last night though. Don't get to do that often.

grats Busi  :clap: :scooter:

I was actually meaning I hadn't driven Road America in real life! I haven't ridden/driven Brands for that matter although I have real life experience of many UK short circuits, especially the Northern ones.  :)

All PC simulations suffer from their inability to simulate G forces, either lateral or vertical. The track mapping of gradient changes like Paddock Hill may not actually be so innacurate but most people drive with totally unrealistic FOV's and the image becomes stretched on the moniter and so it gives the impression of being less steep. I drive with a FOV of about 50 deg, and even that isn't correct. It should be nearer 30 deg to give a realistic image.

yeah paddock hill is real steep, i've walked up it a few times!! dont realise when your just driving  :o

Have you driven Oulton park? I drove that back in June and that is an amazing circuit. So much grip but so little run of areas. Plus it flows so well. Really want to go back again. The next one on my list is Snetterton. The long starights should be a blast.

Sorry Clive, I think that was about the time my Mrs came to "talk to me". She likes to wait till the race starts which is nice I think.  :(

Further round while engaging my limiter on the S/F straight, I was wondering why I couldn't see you? I was thinking you were going to be really clever & time a high speed run on us as we all got going over the line!

Yes, I've been there a few times over the years. I agree, it's one of my favourite circuits too, as you say it has really good flow to it. It was even better before the dreaded chicanes!!

I've been to Snetterton a couple of times as well. I've done some 6 hour endurance races there. 3 man teams with 1 hour long stints on the bike. On one of them it absolutely peed it down the whole 6 hours, not pleasant!

Wow that was intense!
Not a moments rest! in the 80mins!
Racing on the practice server with Michael, Linus, whatever you name is!  ;D really helped the other day.
Didn't quite manage a PB in quali but did in the race!
Loved every minute and to finish 7th was great!
Do wonder what I did wrong in the pit stop as I lost 40 secs on the road to the guys in front!
I stupidly chaged 4 tyres when just the front 2 would have done but 40 secs!?
Puzzled!

M,

Yeah I can't get my head around the pitstops yet. When I drive into the pits and the camera changes to the external view (I wish I could stay in car) the pitcrew always stand there for about 5 seconds. At that point, I am usually screaming at them to get moving.

Dave, by the way, superb pass on me. Very clean and text book. Actually really enjoyed being passed  ;D

WOW, Snetterton in the wet. I can't imagine that is fun, especially as its high speed. I have only done Rockingham in the wet and that was like driving on ice. Interesting when it started to dry and the grip came back and you had to stick to the drying line. So whats Snetterton like? Good fun or a bit dull?

I only do text book passes - as a gentleman racer I consider contact to be failure. :D

 ;D ;D So not a fan of Massa then  ;D ;D

No, not dull. To me there are no dull tracks, only some more enjoyable than others. Just to be on a bike (or in a car) with nothing coming the other way and no speed cameras is a recipe for enjoyment, in fact it's the only way to fully appreciate a high performance vehicle.

Map a key to the ignition, I use the keyboard 'I' key, because I lack imagination  :D Shut the engine off before, or as you come to a stop. Also you do request a pit in before actually pitting don't you? That's the '9' key by default, do it half a lap before you want to pit.

Real sorry I missed this one, apologies to my buddies at team Pseudo. I bust my left shoulder and its a pain to drive fo extended periods. will be back for next race hopefully.

I have my pitstop pre planned in the garage setup option so the pits actually tell me when to come in. Is this not the best option?

So cutting the ignition makes the pit crew start working quicker??

OK thats cool. I kind of feel the same way about it. Plus its great to drive the tracks you have either seem on TV or have raced in the sim world and to compare what they really are like. I would really like to do Silverstone but I think my little Lotus might struggle a bit at the full GP circuit. Still, it would be great fun.

Pre planned? You mean you drive until your tank is nearly empty, less then 2 laps worth? Because that's the only time they tell me to come in. Or is there some other pit stop strat you can make? I'm not sure but I wouldn't be surprised if you still have to press 9 to get prompt service.

If you wait for the game to shut off the engine, they will stand there waiting a little while, yeah.

I guess it could be kind of both. I fill my tank up to full which might be 28 laps worth of fuel. In the garage I select how many stops I want to do and how much fuel to put in. I will then run my race expecting to come in on lap 28 for fuel. However, I can normally run more laps so yes, its when the PIT light comes on and they say I need fuel. I then go in for fuel and the crew are waiting for me. I never request to PIT.

Every 10L of fuel takes about 3 seconds, so it's worth starting heavy and prevent too much fueling in the pits.

Requesting pits is not just for yourself, but also for others, as it can prevent double pitspace allocations.

Nah, no biggie. It was a nice move and I had no intention of racing you. Just that corner starts off wide and ends up with one line. I thought I'd left enough room for you but you stayed on the racing line and started to come out a little wider (nothing bad though, I had plenty of track). Just GTR2s collision detection decided to make my car jump and lose a load of speed where it should only have been a very small rub. Oh well.

What really shocked me was how badly the marbles were simulated on this track. As with most third party tracks, live track doesn't work, so full marbles from lap 1. Watch me @ 410 in the replay. That's where the damage was done, not the first lap contact. Ran wide yes, but look how fast the car snaps round - I had no chance of catching it at all. Touch marbles, instant spin. On lap 2  :-\

Worked my way up again and confident I would have got faster after a good pitstop, then PC probs. This is why I'll never pay to race GTR2 - because it's soo bloody unstable. Maybe the odd svr donation but none of this crappy season/quarterly fee nonsense.

Just watched the TT/Busi/Minton battle. Nice  8)

Well, to be fair, while it does crash every once in a while, I don't think I've had more then one crash/dc while racing in gtr2. Two in GTL. So at least for me the reliability has been pretty good.