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Title: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 03, 2008, 07:28:27 PM +0100
Practice 1:20:15(10 mins)
Qual 2:20:25(20 mins)
Race:20:45(40 minutes)note: no warmup

Cars allowed: any GT1 from the UKGTR Car Pack v2.8.5.0 (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519))
Weather: Dry
Track: UKGTR Nürburgring (GP) v2.0.0.0 - download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_nurburgring)
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: No mandatory pit stop.

Server: UKGTR Upper Sprint
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Standings can be found on the series home page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=184&theme=3)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack and track (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Busi on October 13, 2008, 10:43:19 AM +0100
Were the laprecords set in wet conditions or is this a completely different version? Or maybe I'm having troubble with 2 versions of the Nurburgring? I've downloaded the track, joined the server to check the circuit and I've done a 1:49 while the records are 52's and 54's, is this possible?

EDIT: doing low 48's in race pace actually, I'm feeling a lot of extra grip compared to the rest of tracks so unless its a very grippy version I gotta be having a problem, I'd suffered this at Suzuka, that time having much less grip. Can anybody just confirm that a 1:48 is impossible? Brian? lol :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Mark J on October 13, 2008, 10:58:54 AM +0100
Different track version Busi. Im doing 49's race pace, 47's qually.
Nice track conversion this, looks great.  8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Busi on October 13, 2008, 11:01:40 AM +0100
Aw Ok, but the grip level then is quite impressive I can almost exit the 1st gear corners on full throttle and corner speed is very high. I actually love it :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Truetom on October 13, 2008, 11:43:58 AM +0100
As I remember we did a Super Endurance on this track in light rain and then on drying track.  :)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Jeffrey on October 13, 2008, 01:19:09 PM +0100
As I remember we did a Super Endurance on this track in light rain and then on drying track.  :)

TT

True, absolutely brilliant raceconditions that was  :drool:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Legzy on October 13, 2008, 01:33:06 PM +0100
I ran a few laps here last night trying to learn the circuit in my Lambo. I found a problem.
Under almost straightline breaking for T1, it kept on spinning me out, lap after lap after lap. I tried my race setups, made them harder/softer/higher/lower...etc. It span 99% of the time at that one bumpy breaking zone. I even tried the default setup for the lambo & still span.

So I jumped in every single other GT1 car, one at a time & tested on default settings that breaking zone twice each. Using the very same breaking point as the lambo, not one spin out for any of them (except the Lister once). So I jumped back in the Lambo on default settings... it span both times.

Question 1) I'm thinking I can't be the only Lambo driver to have this occurring?
Question 2) Why is the lambo spinning there & the others don't?
Question 3) Other then picking a different car for this track, is there a setting/technique I can change to stop the Lambo spinning?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Steve Holmes on October 13, 2008, 01:49:39 PM +0100
Ooh, sounds nasty Legzy. Is the default brake bias more to the rear on the Lambo?  Try more front bias, stop the rears locking when they go light.  Never driven the Lambo so that's a pure guess. 

Funny how much tighter the right kink approaching T1 is in this version than the GTL one, driven a million laps on that one and first few this time certainly caught me out there.   :o

49s for me too in race trim in the Lister.  Dunno why I like this track, it's one of those annoying technical tracks from the 80s, but it's actually one of my favourites.  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: psuedo on October 13, 2008, 01:57:37 PM +0100
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As I remember we did a Super Endurance on this track in light rain and then on drying track.

I actually remember it as a dry track, turning damp....then the heavens opened and we spent the final hour with thunder and lightening.......only three cars managed to finish.....I came LAST and got a podium  ;D



OOOOOOOOPPPPPPSSSSS.......the above was at Road America.....I am in the wrong thread  ::) :-[ :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Kerr on October 13, 2008, 02:32:01 PM +0100
I ran a few laps here last night trying to learn the circuit in my Lambo. I found a problem.
Under almost straightline breaking for T1, it kept on spinning me out, lap after lap after lap. I tried my race setups, made them harder/softer/higher/lower...etc. It span 99% of the time at that one bumpy breaking zone. I even tried the default setup for the lambo & still span.

So I jumped in every single other GT1 car, one at a time & tested on default settings that breaking zone twice each. Using the very same breaking point as the lambo, not one spin out for any of them (except the Lister once). So I jumped back in the Lambo on default settings... it span both times.

Question 1) I'm thinking I can't be the only Lambo driver to have this occurring?
Question 2) Why is the lambo spinning there & the others don't?
Question 3) Other then picking a different car for this track, is there a setting/technique I can change to stop the Lambo spinning?

Try setting the brakes bias towards the front.

I find setting a higher setting in the coast side of the diff and lower in the power helps.

Also try to approach the corner so that you are braking in a straightline rather than reacting to the the little kink in the braking zone.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Kerr on October 13, 2008, 03:59:58 PM +0100
Just tried out this version and indeed the grip is far higher than previous version.

I did a few laps in the 575 and thought it felt pretty good. I then went for a few laps in the Lambo and was instantly 1.5 seconds per lap quicker.

I now need to go back and see what I can do with this 575, I really can't master it at all.

At the start of the season it felt good and I managed a few wins. Since then the car has felt like a barge and I can't seem to get any performance out of it.

With the title at stake tomorrow night, some serious thinking and practice needs to be done.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Legzy on October 13, 2008, 05:49:23 PM +0100
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Try setting the brakes bias towards the front.

Lambo break bias on default setup is 50.5-49.5
Lambo break bias on my seasons setup is 51.5-48.5
Lambo break bias needed to fix problem is 53-47

Thanks Kerr & Steve, it was such a simple fix I should have done it myself. It was just that watching the replays, it seemed to be the front tyres locking up first & I tried moving break bias back. I also thought it odd that it's not been a problem all season. What can I say, I've proved I'm a numpty again.  :-[


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Busi on October 13, 2008, 06:41:52 PM +0100
Legzy, no wonder why you spun with such a "center" brake bias. I always have it between 53-47 and 55-45 (maybe due to my aggressive driving with the brakes as well), having to set it to 55-45 for the Nurburgring, in fact to prevent your same problem into T1 :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: spanner on October 13, 2008, 08:46:23 PM +0100
I've always found that i lock the rears when braking and downshifting if the bias is around the centre. Just tried the track out and i see what you mean about the bumps there. Its at those moment i wonder if its the fast or slow dampers that have a greater impact.

I have to agree about this track being too grippy. Felt like i had stability control on, if i locked up i was still in control! Always managed to go through the chicane without loosing it. But the tyre wear does seem to match the grip as  I was struggling a bit after 10 laps when pushing. Managed to get down to low 50's but I have no idea about the LH corner after the first time split.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Kerr on October 14, 2008, 07:56:02 PM +0100
I just can't master the 575 here either. It's great all the way around but will not ride the kerbs at last chicane without launching the car.

The 550 feels great with the same set up.

The MC12 feels great here, so much fun and the fastest. 550 not far behind.

I'm going with the Lambo tonight. I really can't suffer the 575 for another race after 2 poorer races when I've not been able to get it going on tracks that I like.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Kerr on October 14, 2008, 08:00:17 PM +0100
I will have to escape as soon as my race is finished tonight.

I'm nightshift and will already be slightly late getting to work.

So it's nothing rude. Best of luck everyone


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Mark J on October 14, 2008, 09:14:45 PM +0100
totally gutted, was really up for this race but my bloody annoying FPS problem has returned  >:(  all was fine until qually then it just dropped to 18fps  ???

I am at a complete loss as to why this is happening. Its been fine for 2 weeks and running really well.
I tried it offline after as well and the same poor fps.  :'(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: ginsters sponsored on October 14, 2008, 09:33:26 PM +0100
O dear :-\

Really enjoying battle with Dan and Zak. Then me gear change gremlins struck, busy trying to get it to change up (brute force was working) when I lost it with a lap to go ::)

Global recession, or not, I'm gonna have to splash out on a G25 soon.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: spanner on October 14, 2008, 09:35:17 PM +0100
Sorry for spinning you around MJ, you seemed to be just slow around that bend and I tried too hard.

Sorry to API for bloody hitting him straight on after the chicane after you must have got spun around by somebody else? I was driving a bit on autopilot as i was looking at the hud and just wasnt expecting a car there! Then you just didnt seem to want to move which threw me.


What happened Dave, were you bored? TBH you were un-nerving me a bit at first.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 14, 2008, 09:42:21 PM +0100
Pretty dull race after the first lap or two. Got a completely undeserved 5th (and probably retained 3rd place in the championship, also undeservedly) after lots of discos, quits, spins etc from other people. I just drove slowly in no mans land so i don't see how that warrants a 5th as I was 2 seconds off the pace in the race and 3 or more in qually.

totally gutted, was really up for this race but my bloody annoying FPS problem has returned  >:(  all was fine until qually then it just dropped to 18fps  ???

I am at a complete loss as to why this is happening. Its been fine for 2 weeks and running really well.
I tried it offline after as well and the same poor fps.  :'(

Don't forget that Nurburgring is the worst track ever in any ISI game for FPS, so you may have to turn down stuff even on high end systems because the textures are extremely poorly optimized. One of the reasons that BMW Challenge game was so slow was that it was at Nurburgring.

Have you got trackside characters off and log motec data off and simply debris collision on?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 14, 2008, 09:53:49 PM +0100
Sorry for spinning you around MJ, you seemed to be just slow around that bend and I tried too hard.

Sorry Spanner, that happened right in front of me and I tried to duck by on the left but it all happened a bit too quick and I ended up running into the back of you. :'(

What happened Dave, were you bored? TBH you were un-nerving me a bit at first.

Basically, yeah; I couldn't make any impression on my team mates ahead even when they were squabbling, plus my rears were starting to overheat, so I dropped back to cool them down and give you some company (and practice not racing your mirrors! :P).

After you quit I found a little pace on worn tyres and low fuel and managed to prevent Shark from getting close enough lap me. :D

I'm clearly going to have to do some practice for Sunday's race as the 360 is very similar to the Lambo in terms of tyre use and I don't really want to have to run on hards!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: picnic on October 14, 2008, 09:54:27 PM +0100
Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20081014%20U8US/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Busi on October 14, 2008, 10:00:51 PM +0100
Lovely race! And there's my first title here ;D

Qualified 2nd because I couldn't manage the 1:46.0 I'd done earlier on practicing. But my race pace was good and Brian could never get away. I had several attempts to pass until I did. Next lap he lost it in the Schumacher S and lost places, that was the key in the championship cause 2nd place would've been enough for him :P

The battle was great but I killed my tyres in that specially the rears, and my car with high rear tyre wear is a real danger! Had 3 awful final laps lol luckily Zak was far behind and I could still win! :)

Well done Brian, I know that 575 was hard to drive during the championship and bad luck in this last race :-* loved the fights, cheers all


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Kerr on October 14, 2008, 10:30:40 PM +0100
Well angry with myself. Delighted with pole obviously and was confident about the race. I'd driven loads of laps and barely made a mistake on this track.      Busi was never far behind and was putting me under pressure. I knew finishing behind him would be enough. Instead of allowing him to pass we ended up swapping positions a couple of times before Busi got his car ahead.    i was following to close be misjudged the fast chicane, put front wheel on the grass and had a big spin. Lost numerous positions.   It was stupid as we already had a gap and I was secure in 2nd.     First cars I caught were TT and Gazza. They tripped over each other at last chicane and I tried to pass. I had to back out when TT also tried a move on gazza and I was forced to into pit lane. I followed TT past Gazza who closed the door on me.     Chased TT  and need to now apologise. I gave him the smallest of taps going into the 3rd bend. I was following close and entered the corner with more speed. I was waiting and waiting for TT to power out the bend, but it never seemed to happen. The slightest of toughes and TT was spinning. A big sorry mate.     I waited for TT to recover and lost more positions and that was any chance I had gone.    Pulled back a few more positions. Had a little more contact with Steve Homes in turn 1. Out dragged him down the straight. Out braked him and stayed very tight to corner. Not sure if he did not see me but there was a little contact but no harm.     Had one more spin at that fast chicane just to make things worse. A truely awful race for me.           Again sorry to TT and grats to Busi on championship.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: ginsters sponsored on October 14, 2008, 10:37:16 PM +0100
Lovely race! And there's my first title here ;D

Congrats Busi :) And too someone called team Shark for team title :) Never heard of them.

I thoroughly enjoyed the GT1 championship, thx to the gents behind the scenes for laying it on and for making the MC12 competitive :thumbup1:   


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Mark J on October 14, 2008, 10:41:51 PM +0100
how very annoying. >:(  I ran disk keeper de-frag once and re-started pc. FPS leapt straight back upto 50 with v-snyc on and a full grid of 30 cars.  :taz:

The only thing i had done different to my pc in two weeks was install the latest TrackIR update last night and yet that was obviously enough to completely throw out my fps/gfx drivers  ??? I didnt even have trackIR running.

Another race ruined for me. Killed my eyes just trying to race through it, 18fps is not good for the brain. :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Gazza49er on October 14, 2008, 11:29:42 PM +0100
Not a good race for me even though i got a totally undeserved 3rd. Was way off the pace, was doing laps 1 second slower than i was doing in practice just b4 the race, car felt horrible, brakes didnt feel right and i couldnt turn in too well.

TT and Steve were putting me under pressure early on, TT was quicker but managed to hold on for a while till i made a mistake at chicane and he got down inside. I gave him room but as i slotted in behind him i got a whack from Brian who tried to follow him throuh...(Sorry brian i totally did not see you at all)  scared the crap out of me coz i really didnt see you there at all. Was glad it didnt hamper you to much though as you got by.

Tyres were pretty shot by then so just tried to get it to the finnish but others mistakes and problems handed me a 3rd.

I was doin pretty much the same lap times all race which is a bit weird and was actually better on the worn rubber  :-\

Grats Busi for win and championship

Thanks to everyone for a good season.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 14, 2008, 11:40:49 PM +0100
Well done to Busi and Kerr on the top 2 and Team Pink and R24-7 for the "minor" team positions ;) :angel:.

I dunno how much longer I'll do GTR2 personally. Possibly I'll drop down to just one series for next season as I do more iRacing, but we'll see, I always miss the racing in UKGTR, but I'm finding it quite hard to swap games and be happy with my driving in GTR2 nowadays.

how very annoying. >:(  I ran disk keeper de-frag once and re-started pc. FPS leapt straight back upto 50 with v-snyc on and a full grid of 30 cars.  :taz:

Does your monitor run at 50Hz then? Very unusual, most LCDs run at 60Hz.

I simply can't believe defragging can affect FPS, unless you are low on memory. Once all the tracks and cars textures are loaded there would no need to access the hard disk again unless you are saving replays? Might be worth setting your swap file to zero and rebooting then setting it again for 1.5x your RAM (and make it same min and max and don't let Windows manage the size). You have 2Gb RAM?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Truetom on October 15, 2008, 07:16:37 AM +0100
Np Brian, as I said in pm I really struggled through there. I tried different settings but then the rear flied around. Good race with Gazza and Brian, was scarry three abreast before that last corner.  :scared:  Good pace for Steve in the Lister - that car suits you.  :)  MJ, don't you know how to do "Format C:"?  :D
I had a phone call during the race and had to go back to work, so I had to quit the race about 10 minutes to go. Was looking at 5th place then - not a pleasant way to finish the season. Grats to the top drivers and good fun with all who participated.  :)   Thanks to organizers and moderators, good stuff.  8)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: zak on October 15, 2008, 09:21:00 AM +0100
was good fun. - A bit of a suprise result for me on a track I didn't know. - but was great fun battling with the MC12's! unfortunately at the start we didn't have the pace of the lambo's so they just went off into the distance. - I managed to keep true and straight and took 2nd position to the line!.

Good pace busi. and gratz on the win * champ!

I have only been here a few times. - and have enjoyed every race so far. - I hope there will be a new one starting :@


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Mark J on October 15, 2008, 09:28:10 AM +0100
Quote from: Simon 'Shark' Gymer date=1224020511

I simply can't believe defragging can affect FPS, unless you are low on memory. Once all the tracks and cars textures are loaded there would no need to access the hard disk again unless you are saving replays? Might be worth setting your swap file to zero and rebooting then setting it again for 1.5x your RAM (and make it same min and max and don't let Windows manage the size). You have 2Gb RAM?

I'll try that swap file reset thanks Simon. Yes i have 2GB Corsair RAM. I had even run the disk keeper option that defrags your page file a week ago. Not saving replays and have motec logging turned off.
Not sure why its only getting 50fps v-synced despite my system and hi-spec card. My monitor is 60 refresh rate. I get the full 60 at class 1 in IRacing with v-sync on. (could be the Nurby track cutting back a few fps). But this random problem affects any track in GTR2.

Im guessing that some essential system files and/or the gfx files have become fragmented since the sp3 xp update and a regular defrag only temporarily fixes/helps the problem. Its a right pain.
The other thing i notice is that my Nvidia control panel will not remember some of my settings and i have to reset them every time i boot up. Weird, and again has only happened since the sp3 update despite reinstalling the nvidia drivers twice. If i try running GTR2 without setting AF to 8X and leave it on 'application controlled' it also turns into stutter hell.
Other than the mammoth job of reformatting my HD, which i really dont want to do, i am at a loss of how to permanently fix it.  :'(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 15, 2008, 09:34:32 AM +0100
You could try deleting your Config.ini file (in the GTR2 game directory) to get it to reset everything in there to standard when you run the 3DConfig. It sounds more like a driver/OS/software issue than anything else. BTW, even with multiple monitors I have the Nvidia control panel set to "single display performance mode" (just in case that helps, but I doubt it).

Have you tried creating a new player in GTR2 and seeing if that runs differently? Might be worth a go.

I noticed there were new Nvidia drivers at the start of October too, just upgraded my Vista 64 ones to them, alledegely 11% faster in most games, but didn't notice any difference in a quick run last night after the race.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Mark J on October 15, 2008, 09:56:18 AM +0100
Thanks Simon, yes i had set my Nvid config to Single monitor performance as the install exe auto configures it for dual monitor blah blah when it detects both screens.

i think it is the very latest Nvid drivers that i installed a week or so ago and like i mentioned, its been running great since i last had troubles until last night when it oddly went pear shaped again. Disk-keeper did show my files fairly fragged which is strange considering how often i run it and i had only installed that measly 4mb trackir update between monday and tuesday nights for it to all go wrong again.
I'll try that config.ini delete as well. Worth a try as it seems to be just something going wrong only between my gfx drivers and GTR2.
The page file could be a very likely suspect though, but if so, im not sure why diskeeper hasnt been able to defrag it properly. Dont know if you run diskeeper but mine is showing quite a few 'low performing system files' highlighted in pink on the byte table. I tried the degrag on re-boot to get it tidy them up but doesnt seem to have made any odds.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 15, 2008, 10:10:27 AM +0100
Honestly I don't think defragging drives makes much difference to anything ever. I NEVER run defrag on any of my disks cause within 5 minutes of copying files or installing something new your drive will be fragmented again anyway. It might be worth it for file servers, but for just playing games it isn't going to make any difference.

Looking at your description to me, the culprit could well be the TrackIR update if that was what was installed and then it went wrong it's a pretty fair assumption that it could be to blame. Try turning off TrackIR and or uninstalling TrackIR temporarily to see if the TrackIR is the culprit.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Steve Holmes on October 15, 2008, 10:19:52 AM +0100
Like Simon, no way did I deserve 6th.  Another pretty poor race for me, despite TT saying the Lister suits me better  ;) I'm all over the place on braking, can't get these GTR2 cars slowed down consistently.  As anyone who's had the misfortune to be behind me at the start of a race knows I'm madly inconsistent with the brakes, usually have to brake really early to avoid overshooting corners which can cause problems for cars behind, eh Dave and MJ?  :P

Last night the usual story, same braking point for a corner and some laps I'm wrestling the car to keep from running off wide and other laps suddenly the braking is way better and I have to coast or reaccelerate up to the apex.  I could go way faster if I actually knew what speed the car would have at turn in rather than having to react every time.  :(  Have to concentrate so hard that after 20 minutes I'm shot and start to spin out.  Seems like a massively peaked function of retardation vs pedal pressure, and I'm usually missing the peak!  Have no such problem in GTL, just GTR2.  Very frustrating.

That's what happened to you Brian, that lap I happened to get more braking than I expected, was intending to leave a nice car width for you to go up but I was less deep into the corner than I expected, had the A-pillar obscuring my view of the apex, and turned in too soon, squeezing you.  Didn't mean to, I wasn't trying to fight that one, I was just trying to stay on track by that stage of the race.  Did manage intense concentration for the last few laps to close back up to Simon after spinning the place away, almost fell off the chair by the end with the effort.   :D

Congrats to the podium and all the top guys in the championship.

Back to practicing for me.  :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Mark J on October 15, 2008, 10:23:45 AM +0100
I didnt have Trackir running Simon. It was turned off and un-plugged. The fps litterally didnt fix itself, despite trying several things, until i ran diskeeper and re-booted. I had most other background apps all turned off too. I had even tried turning all GTR2 graphic settings down to minimum but made no impact, not even a 1fps gain.
But after restarting pc the fps leapt from 18 to 50 at Nurby, even with a 30 car grid. I still think 50 is low considering the pc spec but at least that would be race-able.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Prof on October 15, 2008, 06:08:22 PM +0100
I have really enjoyed learning to drive GT1 cars for this championship. I seem to be able to finish races but lack the staggering pace of the aliens in our leagues meaning most places I make are through mistakes and misfortunes of others.
I had a great race-long scrap with Picnic and although his Corvette seemed a real handful, I did not have enough advantage to get past. Close racing is what I like most and even if for a low place it is better than driving a 'lonely' race. Only Picnic's misfortune gave me the place just when I thought it would never happen.
Congratulations to Busi and the league podiums and to my Team Shark colleagues for the team win despite my lack of points contributed. Well done to all fellow racers for making the season so enjoyable.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: Napo on October 15, 2008, 06:35:29 PM +0100
Thanks Simon, yes i had set my Nvid config to Single monitor performance as the install exe auto configures it for dual monitor blah blah when it detects both screens.

i think it is the very latest Nvid drivers that i installed a week or so ago and like i mentioned, its been running great since i last had troubles until last night when it oddly went pear shaped again. Disk-keeper did show my files fairly fragged which is strange considering how often i run it and i had only installed that measly 4mb trackir update between monday and tuesday nights for it to all go wrong again.
I'll try that config.ini delete as well. Worth a try as it seems to be just something going wrong only between my gfx drivers and GTR2.
The page file could be a very likely suspect though, but if so, im not sure why diskeeper hasnt been able to defrag it properly. Dont know if you run diskeeper but mine is showing quite a few 'low performing system files' highlighted in pink on the byte table. I tried the degrag on re-boot to get it tidy them up but doesnt seem to have made any odds.

Hi Mark I have a similar issue with my Diskeeper not defragmenting my system files anymore properly and they continue to show low performing system files. I've read of other people having similar issues. No idea why tho, I didn't do a boot defrag for a long time tho before I did it again. Maybe my hard drive is just too old.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 14
Post by: spanner on October 15, 2008, 06:46:40 PM +0100
I'd agree with simon that defraging isnt the solution. You need to get down to 40-50% before it might have an effect and anyway it does all load it into memory when racing so it should rarely be accessing the disk. I'd recommend just wiping it and starting again which should clean the system. It sounds like something is running, using the memory when it shouldnt.