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Title: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 05, 2008, 11:18:52 AM +0100
Practice 1:20:00(10 mins)
Qual 2:20:10(15 mins)
Race:20:25(80 mins)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT1 or GT2 from the UKGTR Car Pack v2.8.5.0 (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519))
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Nürburgring (GP) v2.0.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_nurburgring)
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel or change your tyres. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Upper Endurance
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Standings and schedule can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=182;theme=3)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the car pack and track (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Reign Man on October 18, 2008, 05:16:03 PM +0100
Still got a dodgy shoulder, I'm gonna practice tommorrow to see if it holds up but its not looking hopefull  :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 18, 2008, 06:12:48 PM +0100
Did a little tiny bit of setup work earlier, and hopefully I'll be a lot more competitive in the 360 tomorrow than I was in the Lambo on Tuesday.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Mark J on October 19, 2008, 12:22:08 PM +0100
anyone know whats a good time in a GT2 here?  Hard to tell if your on the pace or not in praccy without a benchmark.

Looking forward to this one. My fps has been stable for a few days so ive got everything crossed that ive sorted it once again. It seems my nvid card and the simbin games dont talk to each other properly. If i leave either AA or AF set to 'application controlled' it causes the random FPS woes, so ive over-ridden both in Nvid control panel and so far so good.

Lets hope we can have a cracking last race of the season in GT2  8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 19, 2008, 12:37:47 PM +0100
I think I was doing 1:55 or 1:56 in race trim yesterday but I expect I'll be slightly faster tonight if it's not wet.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: H@L9000 on October 19, 2008, 01:50:25 PM +0100
Still got a dodgy shoulder, I'm gonna practice tommorrow to see if it holds up but its not looking hopeful :(

Oh no!!  :(

Hope you get better in time for the LE at RoadAmerica.

Looking forward to this race, just hope I dont get anymore strange connection problems again. Was OK on Friday night so fingers crossed.

What changes were made in the last update of the track Dave or staff members?

See you tonight fellow sim racers :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Mark J on October 19, 2008, 07:06:44 PM +0100
similar race pace for me too Dave, so hopefully we can have a good race this eve.

My fps woes arent sorted however  :'( so 50/50 whether it will be good enough to race with this eve. Seems a total hit and miss as to whether it wants to play ball at the moment. :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Mike Hammer on October 19, 2008, 07:12:11 PM +0100
Looking at the times of Kerr and Busi up there, seems I'll be a couple seconds down again  :-\

If it rains, make that a couple laps  :-[ :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: psuedo on October 19, 2008, 07:13:43 PM +0100
Really sounds to me like you have some background process causing interference MJ. Have you tried shutting down all non-essential processes before firing GTR up?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Jeffrey on October 19, 2008, 07:19:05 PM +0100
And turn V-sync off, it's no use.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: purdie on October 19, 2008, 08:32:36 PM +0100
so annoyed......  :cursing:

dunno where i qualified cos the times weren't showing for everyone :-\ so i knew something was up....then when i clicked race to join the grid the game crashed  :-[

the stablity of GTR Evo is winning me over if nothing else! arrrrgh! if i had GT2 pole i will be even more :censored: lol  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Mark J on October 19, 2008, 08:34:25 PM +0100
am so gutted i feel sick  :(

got stutters but just about manageable in race albeit at slower lap times.

Sat on the grid for race start and no pedal controls worked  ??? i could change gear and turn steering but nothing else. Had to hit escape.

what a crap end to my enduro season and time wasted practising for it. I was really looking forward to this race.  :'(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: JonM_uk on October 19, 2008, 08:42:08 PM +0100
Baby started crying a fair bit and just couldn't manage to get her back to sleep...Mother was occupied right up until 6 mins past the race start :( Think it would've been a very interesting race too. Hope you all had a good one. Catch you next time.
Jon


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: psuedo on October 19, 2008, 08:45:59 PM +0100
never could get on with this track...had a ctd in qually, then i couldnt see anyone else.. then stutters everytime a car came near me.  ::)

not an enjoyable experience tonight.

sorry to TT for the tap in T1. you pulled out to take the 'kink' but I was on that line already and couldnt slow enough.

quit out next lap..go find something more enjoyable to do than that track.  :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: ossie on October 19, 2008, 09:19:05 PM +0100
Quallified and started quite well, had a great battle with Prof for as long as it lasted.
Just after passing Prof I came to the chicane and took the rumble strip and the car flipped over and would not flip back over.  Sad end to a possibly good race. :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Prof on October 19, 2008, 09:31:34 PM +0100
Quallified and started quite well, had a great battle with Prof for as long as it lasted.
Just after passing Prof I came to the chicane and took the rumble strip and the car flipped over and would not flip back over.  Sad end to a possibly good race. :(

Yep, I enjoyed that Ossie. You finally got me when I gave Busi too much space to lap me and ran out of track. That was an impressive handstand you performed to the chicane - I was worried your car would topple back on top of mine. That left me in a shorter battle with Gizmo until pit time at which point I got disconnected without warning.

Pity, I was in line for a good finish. The car had felt good and I had started with the full hundred laps of fuel so the second stint would have hopefully been faster.

I have enjoyed the season and my thanks and congratulations go to everyone I have raced in Upper Endurance this season especially championship winners and teams.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: JPS on October 19, 2008, 10:01:08 PM +0100
My first race for the Legends Team and a customery 4th place for me in the GT2 class. Dan Juis had some sort of loss or spin in the fast left right and I over reacted :o to avoid (not your fault at all Dan Juis) and ended up last some 14 seconds behind API. Hard battle to land me a 4th every lap was like a PB.

Great first season for me in GT2 class, finished 4th overall I think 8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 19, 2008, 10:06:18 PM +0100
That was the most fun GTR2 race I've had in ages. I borrowed a CJ setup and it felt alright for a change to be racing the GTR2 cars again. Had a CTD in qually and no cars appearing and TeamSpeak wasn't working and eventually came back into the server after rebooting I had time for one lap only. No practice at all, so pretty chuffed that I had any pace what-so-ever in the race as it was much more fun having people to race instead of driving in no-mans land.

Had scraps with a few familiar faces and the usual battle with TT who used the "pay at the pump" and was only allowed to put in £59 worth of fuel instead of the £80 you can get at the kiosk as he ran out of fuel at the end. ;)

Track felt very grippy, but I liked that as it helped me drive faster. :)

Had to turn my graphics down so much to run at a decent FPS (100+), but it was so jittery still with other cars even with a high frame rate. I tapped people a couple of time cause of it (very sorry), but we all seemed to be doing the same thing and then giving the places back etc. Good fun. Still, not at all convinced we should use that track again cause it seems to cause a lot of CTDs, jittery stuff, low framerate, timings going funny etc. I do like Nurburgring GP, but I just think it's got too many bugs.

P.S. Very well done to the championship winners, everyone that took part and those folks behind the scenes (you know who you are) to make it an enjoyable season once more. Looks pretty good for Team Shark drivers and team in this championship so great job team!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 19, 2008, 10:11:59 PM +0100
if i had GT2 pole i will be even more :censored: lol  ;D

In that case you were dead last in GT2... er...

Sat on the grid for race start and no pedal controls worked  ??? i could change gear and turn steering but nothing else. Had to hit escape.

That's so disappointing - especially for me as we were just a tenth apart on the grid and shaping up for a classic last event battle whilst the massed ranks of BMW zoomed off into the distance. :'(

Just after passing Prof I came to the chicane and took the rumble strip and the car flipped over and would not flip back over.  Sad end to a possibly good race. :(

I was already plotting how I was going to jump you and Prof with a late stop - your car hanging in mid air was a heck of a sight!

I dunno why we had so many problems tonight compared to Tuesday - can't see us using that track again anyway which is a shame 'cause I really like the layout. :(

If I'd known how well my tyres were going to last I'd have started on softs and done two equal stints. As it was I stretched my mediums to 75% distance and then pitted for softs; fuel usage was also very low so I didn't take any at the stop. Picnic was way to fast for me to get anywhere near him so I set out to try and nab fastest lap in GT2 instead; missed out by just a tenth of a second, hugely frustrating especially when my best first sector was followed my FreQ arriving to lap me with Busi in close attendence and I had to back off and take one for the team, but TBH the BMWs were all massively quicker here.

Well done to Picnic for cementing his 2nd in the championship with a win, looks like it's a clean sweep for Team Shark in Upper Endurance. ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: picnic on October 19, 2008, 10:13:56 PM +0100
if i had GT2 pole i will be even more :censored: lol  ;D

Bad luck Purdie :( We'll keep it a secret about you getting GT2 pole so you don't need to get upset ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Busi on October 19, 2008, 10:18:00 PM +0100
Yep, I enjoyed that Ossie. You finally got me when I gave Busi too much space to lap me and ran out of track.
Thats a relief, I thought it was me that pushed you wide :angel:

I am quite annoyed for not having practiced for this one before the event itself. That, together with running out of time in quali, so that my laptime was in race trim, made me lose a lot at the first stint.

Started 5th, unluckily Mike and Gazza made contact and got passed them. Few laps behind teammate Zak until I passed him (team orders? nah he was looking playful :laugh: ). When I passed him and therefore 2nd with nobody ahead, my gap to leader FreQ - of course - was 9 seconds. It more or less remained till the pitstops, we rejoined with about the same gap.

My second stint was great, I was lapping quite faster (with more practice I could've gona faster in the first stint too :( ) and almost caught FreQ, the gap was down to 3 seconds, but with worn tyres I could only stay 3 seconds behind during the final 5 laps. Happy though.

What hurts the most is FreQ stole me the race lap record from Tuesday by a damn thousandth >:( LOL

Grats for the win and the championship, great piece of driving


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: picnic on October 19, 2008, 10:18:20 PM +0100
Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20081019%20U8UE/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Joss on October 19, 2008, 10:25:37 PM +0100
What hurts the most is FreQ stole me the race lap record from Tuesday by a damn thousandth >:( LOL

I had no idea?!  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: JPS on October 19, 2008, 10:25:49 PM +0100
My first race for the Legends Team and a customery 4th place for me in the GT2 class. Dan Juis had some sort of loss or spin in the fast left right and I over reacted :o to avoid (not your fault at all Dan Juis) and ended up last some 14 seconds behind API. Hard battle to land me a 4th every lap was like a PB.

Great first season for me in GT2 class, finished 4th overall I think 8)

Something odd there, I got the race finish sign in fourth and the others around my position seem to have done an extra lap, Gizmo, whats going on :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: H@L9000 on October 19, 2008, 10:31:30 PM +0100
Thanks for another enjoyable race :)

I must say sorry to just about all GT2 runners as I made a complete mess of passing tonight :-\, in particular Dave, Spanner and Prof. Very sorry guys, I got a bit ragged towards the end. I accept any incident reports, it was my fault every time.

All of the battles that I had tonight were short lived as I fell off the track every time the pressure got a bit high. But I had fun trying to fend off a few people for a few corners.

I was trying to figure out when the race would end and only just realised that I would have to do another lap rite at what I thought was the end of the race. I had 2L of fuel left!!! I looked in my mirrors just as I passed the line to see FreQ rite behind me. If I had of known he was there, I would have just slowed right down and let him pass before the line. Dam!!!

Thanks to Gazza for the push on the last lap ;D I would have got to the end but would have had to of crused in neutral for a while, so it would have taken ages.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: psuedo on October 19, 2008, 10:34:09 PM +0100
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Bad luck Purdie  We'll keep it a secret about you getting GT2 pole so you don't need to get upset

Think you had best hide the GT2 lap record btw  :whistling:

grats to the winners and podiums tonight....and of course well done Freq and Dave on their respective championship wins.
Again, grats to team Alien Nation Shark for the team championships too.

Due in no small part to a great seasons racing from SECOND PLACE  :clap: :notworthy: in the championship (GT1) by Gazza49er, and of course, a little help on occasion from Busi, Reign Man and [email protected] would like to offer my congrats also to the RUNNERS UP in the GT1 Team championships....TEAM PIN PSEUDO......you never know lads.....some of the sharkies may go iWAL next season.....we will have em soon.  ;) :jumpjoy:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 19, 2008, 10:41:32 PM +0100
Something odd there, I got the race finish sign in fourth and the others around my position seem to have done an extra lap, Gizmo, whats going on :o

According to the export, Jan actually did 40 laps, not the 39 shown in the lap chart, which probably means he got a cut warning on his final lap. Since you're both shown as DNF and Spanner isn't, he's classified ahead, with you and Jan then ordered by qualifying time.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Legzy on October 19, 2008, 10:42:18 PM +0100
Team Oldie has been robbed of 4th spot in the final race of the GT1-Teams event, by those R24-7 boys!!! Grrrr. Still, 5th for Martin & me is a bit of a result  8)

Qualifying was all over the place, managed to complete one lap I think what with not being able to see people & having the wrong setup...
Was creating a bit of a gap back to the GT2 boys when I 'brushed' the inside wall on the last turn. God knows what it did to the car, but I was spinning at random places, despite driving extra cautiously & moved my brake bias forward a notch with each spin  :( Pitted as soon as I thought I could load up enough fuel for the rest of the race, repaired the damage & my laptimes settled down somewhat (after moving the brake bias even further forward).
By the end, my tyres were shot but I'd managed to get back in front of all the GT2 boys (which is a result for me). Sorry to Picnic who I had to overtake a couple of times early on after my spins (etc.), thanks you were very patient  :)

So I think I squeaked 15th overall in the GT1 championship (not bad as I've not owned GTR2 for 3 months yet), even if it was just by turning up each week  ;D Thanks to the organisers, congrats to FreQ & Gizmo on the title wins & hope to see everyone next time.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Gazza49er on October 19, 2008, 10:44:13 PM +0100
Wow that was intense!

Had 2 CTD's in qually and managed a 3rd with 4 mins left, could of gone a little faster but was a bit tense coz of the time left.

I knew i had some better pace here from tuesday coz i did alot of work during the week but the low temps at the start didnt help and i kept making silly little errors especially at the fast chicane which kept giving Mike a run on me. Was struggling braking for the slow chicane aswell and Mike being a late braker nudged me and i spun. I was at a funny angle and i couldnt see if the road was clear and im really sorry to someone that i hit rejoining (really couldnt see you).  

Mike slowed to let me pass and we continued to battle, he got past and we caught TT and Simon and the 4 of us were swapping positions every lap, great fun but a little scary. Then we met an overturned car at the chicane and simon had to use the escape road and past TT but i knew he was gunna slow on the straight to let TT back infront but Mike behind didnt know what was going on and he clipped me again. He let me through again and caught the other 2 again and they made mistakes and i got infront and pulled away.

Had a good stop and came out 5 secs behind teamie H@l, caught him and he made little mistake letting me through so then set about catching Zak and i did with about 5 mins left. Had a few close laps untill he also got the power on a little early and spun so very happy with a 3rd after very eventfull race.

I could catch people but behind people was hard to get past but out in the open i had the speed.

Grats Freq  amazing stuff

Thanks to everyone who took part in this series and the guys who organize.

Really happy with 2nd in the championship all be it coz busi missed a race but chuffed.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Gazza49er on October 19, 2008, 10:54:04 PM +0100
Also grats to Dave for GT2  :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: zak on October 19, 2008, 10:58:14 PM +0100
Well a very eventful but very distracting race. - Qually went ok so I knew I had the pace. - but as soon as he game started. my position was telling me I was 14th.. then doing the formation lap I was last according to my game!...I found this odd. but soon as I passed the line I was back to 2nd position again... - no idea why.. but this kept on doing this through the race and was hard to tell who to chase and who was behind.. so this distraction made me drive a little bit aggressive and a bit wonky? to make up for the time lost by perving at my positions!....

Anyway.. something else append odd. (might have been related to the above lag bug???) - but Before my pitstop I was 8 secs behind busi..now, he did a lap more than me... but when entering the pits I passed the current leader Freq, I refulled etc.. but when I was changing tires freq passed me to regain the lead..(or in that situation 2nd) with me 3rd..... - so my pitcrew went about there work. and I was off no longer than 16 or so secs later... when I came out after one lap Busi was then 40 secs ahead of me. and freq was further than that!....however I was still 3rd.. but Hal at that point was 3 secs behind me!...twilight zone or what!!.. - anyway this again distracted me. along with my messed up positions. - and just thought.. well sod it just race and run true and straight... although my setup was messed up anyway. (I didn't have enough gear on the straights :( .. - Gazzer then caught me on the 2nd to last lap. when my overcooked but extremely bald tyres just didn't have a answer for him. - he was fresher than me. and was hard to keep a hold of the car. - until the time when I just lost it putting to much lead bricks on the pedels too early!. slightly annoyed with myself for this. as Im always calm and collected. but I guess I worn my tyres down much further than I thought and I was positive to be able to hold gazzer off for the last 2 laps...(least that was the plan) - maybe I need a cat to stroke? or a coat....


Anyway its been fun. gratz to the podium!. (still would like to know where my 30 secs of my life went) lol!



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Busi on October 20, 2008, 12:16:11 AM +0100
as soon as he game started. my position was telling me I was 14th.. then doing the formation lap I was last according to my game!...I found this odd. but soon as I passed the line I was back to 2nd position again... - no idea why.. but this kept on doing this through the race
I noticed that too, and it happened to you as well on Friday in the interleague race didn't it? That makes me guess its not your game, but the server struggling to detect your position or something strange? lol I don't know if it may have something to do with it, but both tonight and on Friday your car looked to be warping a bit, moving slightly left and right rather... (and I'm not referring to your weaving on the straight ;D )

Anyway.. something else append odd. (might have been related to the above lag bug???) - but Before my pitstop I was 8 secs behind busi..now, he did a lap more than me... but when entering the pits I passed the current leader Freq, I refulled etc.. but when I was changing tires freq passed me to regain the lead..(or in that situation 2nd) with me 3rd..... - so my pitcrew went about there work. and I was off no longer than 16 or so secs later... when I came out after one lap Busi was then 40 secs ahead of me. and freq was further than that!
I think it has to do with a bit slower pit entry + pitstop + pit exit and a slight *caugh* mistake at the Dunlop hairpin on the out lap :laugh: :-*


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Truetom on October 20, 2008, 07:14:33 AM +0100
I will remember this race 'cause of 3 or 4 contacts, which is too many for my taste - I don't know if I had that many the whole season.  :(

@Psuedo: we were all taking different routes at braking into T1 as this track is very specific in this case. I blame the track for our contact - usually this is the spot to overtake but it is flawed in this version.  :(

@Shark: The usual great battle, though with a difference:
... we all seemed to be doing the same thing and then giving the places back etc. ...
Don't know about others, I only saw you do it. Giving places back is all good, though you had to do it twice and in both cases we both lost position - twice.  :(   But let's be clear, I don't blame you (or Psuedo), the chase was tense and it looks great in replay.  8) This track is flawed. I saw all kind of strange things happen. First the track felt much bumpier in the race, than it was in Q2. How can that be is beyond my comprehension. ::)  I saw cars cornering sideways (graphics only), being sunk into the track, the last chicane caused them to jump like on a rodeo, had a CTD in Q2, etc. Please let's not use this version of the track anymore.  :(

The race itself - other than contacts and losing positions ::) - was quite ok. The car felt good, even if the track didn't. I think I finaly got the grips with the Saleen. And the season ends, lol.  :D  As I said, another epic battle with H@l, Gazza, Shark and Mike Hammer, all together on a string. Seen all of them make mistakes behind me and I was quite confident I could get at least close to the podium.  :)

I used less than 80 litres in the first half of the race. Went to pit with less than 40 min left, took 80 litres, changed tyres and went to chase Shark. The chase was great, persistent and thirsty.  ::)  Needed two litres of fuel to finish, run out before last chicane.  :(

Not a good finish of the GT1 season for me. 4th in both UE and US at the end. In US I had to quit the race for work and in UE I run out of fuel. No ending podium.  :(  Even so, I feel this was my best GT1 season, after I got to know the car and how to set it up I grew quite fond of it.  :wub:

Hope we can incorporate some parts of the 2006 mod into our next GT1 season - MC12 felt great at the test race in Magny Course and I hope I can drive it the next season. Then CBR9, then C6R.  :)

Grats to top players, good season everyone.  8)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Mike Hammer on October 20, 2008, 07:43:50 AM +0100
First off apologies to Gazza, I seemed to have "collected" you twice  :-[. First time in the slow chicane, and after that, when I was strongly intent on leaving a larger margin, in T1, I still got caught by surprise and spun it on the brakes. I gather there was place switching causing the "congestion". Didn't even feel when I hit you, but seeing you in my mirrors afterwards I realised what had happened. But I guess with three or four cars in a line, the braking at the end of the line always gets slower, due to keeping margins to avoid collisions.

I thought you guys were braking quite early for the chicane and T1 most of the time, but when HAL was following me towards the end, I guess it was my turn to be breaking early, because he ran wide trying to avoid me. So maybe it's more to do with perception when following, or then I was just early that time, dunno.

Was it also Gazza I passed at T1 at another occasion, when we touched mid/exit of the corner? Was rough from me, I hadn't set it up to be a pass at all  :laugh: More of rear end avoidance that turned into a passing manouver. It was a bit odd the braking for T1. You could be quite late if you followed a proper line, trail braking into the apex. But going the same speeds, if you just try to stop in a straight line, you'll run way past the turn in point, or even off track.

That chicane too, man, a real rollercoaster that first curbing with the stick in it. In practice I did what that bmw did in race, threw a sommersault, from what I would have thought was a legitimate, if bumpy line over the first curbing. In race it threw me for a spin or two as well, but fortunately no acrobatics.

It's a great track, nurby, though this version had pretty hefty grip levels and a dangerous chicane.

Was a fun four way race while it lasted. Sorry again to Gazza for the hits that cost you positions. It seems to have worked out in the end though.

Thanks again for a great series, always good racing here.


Oh, if you saw my antics one lap before then end, that's cause I thought the race was over already  :-[ :laugh:
Hope I didn't cause too much trouble for you guys.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 20, 2008, 08:34:05 AM +0100
First the track felt much bumpier in the race, than it was in Q2. How can that be is beyond my comprehension. ::)

If you're already marginal on ride height, the extra fuel in a race setup will certainly have you bouncing off the floor in places.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: JPS on October 20, 2008, 08:52:35 AM +0100
Something odd there, I got the race finish sign in fourth and the others around my position seem to have done an extra lap, Gizmo, whats going on :o

According to the export, Jan actually did 40 laps, not the 39 shown in the lap chart, which probably means he got a cut warning on his final lap. Since you're both shown as DNF and Spanner isn't, he's classified ahead, with you and Jan then ordered by qualifying time.

Yes, I am showing as DNF because I hit the escape button a after I crossed the start/finish line after the race finish sign came up (after having done a warm down lap and hitting the escape button before the pit entrance), not to mention others drivers doing doughnuts round me :o and chatting about the race, always a sure sign the race has finished.

Never mind, not much can be done about it now I suppose :'(, sad technical end to what was a good season.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 20, 2008, 08:59:11 AM +0100
Did you get the blue text saying "Race finished.....blah blah blah", cause anything else is not the race finished yet?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Truetom on October 20, 2008, 09:49:15 AM +0100
First the track felt much bumpier in the race, than it was in Q2. How can that be is beyond my comprehension. ::)

If you're already marginal on ride height, the extra fuel in a race setup will certainly have you bouncing off the floor in places.

Ride height was 7/9. Besides, I had identical setup before in P1 and some days before when I was setting up my car.  :(  Only the race session felt much more bumpy.  :no:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Mark J on October 20, 2008, 09:54:46 AM +0100
that destroyed me mentally last night  :( was so gutted. Fps had been great all week at that track, online and offline but then on sunday afternoon i got my first inkling that it was going to play up when i was online with a few others praccying.
then race night i was getting big fps shudders whenever a car came near me on track and up at chicane at back of circuit.
Thought it was still raceable but was costing me 1-2 secs a lap in qually, but would have raced anyway for as long as possible as i wanted some points.
But on the grid for race start all my pedal controls stopped working. Thats only ever happened once before since ive owned speed 7's and pretty sure it was track related this time judging by the amount of ctd's people were having in qually.
Felt totally narked off for rest of evening ! as was really looking forward to racing at Nurby as car felt really good and was aiming for another podium place. Looks like i was robbed of yet another great battle in GT2.  :(
Going to try and remove sp3 tonight and see if that restores normality, otherwise i may have to do a complete xp reinstall and i hate that ! >:(

Sounds a bit harsh to rob JPS of his 4th place if he was given the race over message.
Such a shame this track appears to have some problems as its a great track and looks very good in this version.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: purdie on October 20, 2008, 10:02:49 AM +0100
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Bad luck Purdie  We'll keep it a secret about you getting GT2 pole so you don't need to get upset

Think you had best hide the GT2 lap record btw  :whistling:

lol, well that's some consolation ;)! complimented hugely by the new version of the track  :D

2 hours of practise before-hand was my main gripe! lol   :o plus the 2 bottles of Suave at Strada with my gf at lunchtime make it doubtful I cud go a 80 min race without crashing!  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Kerr on October 20, 2008, 10:26:04 AM +0100
as soon as he game started. my position was telling me I was 14th.. then doing the formation lap I was last according to my game!...I found this odd. but soon as I passed the line I was back to 2nd position again... - no idea why.. but this kept on doing this through the race
I noticed that too, and it happened to you as well on Friday in the interleague race didn't it? That makes me guess its not your game, but the server struggling to detect your position or something strange? lol I don't know if it may have something to do with it, but both tonight and on Friday your car looked to be warping a bit, moving slightly left and right rather... (and I'm not referring to your weaving on the straight ;D )

Anyway.. something else append odd. (might have been related to the above lag bug???) - but Before my pitstop I was 8 secs behind busi..now, he did a lap more than me... but when entering the pits I passed the current leader Freq, I refulled etc.. but when I was changing tires freq passed me to regain the lead..(or in that situation 2nd) with me 3rd..... - so my pitcrew went about there work. and I was off no longer than 16 or so secs later... when I came out after one lap Busi was then 40 secs ahead of me. and freq was further than that!
I think it has to do with a bit slower pit entry + pitstop + pit exit and a slight *caugh* mistake at the Dunlop hairpin on the out lap :laugh: :-*

Zak I noticed this was happening on both Tuesday and Friday nights race too.

I did not notice any warping of your car though.

I used to suffer from this when I had connection problems in the past.

The game was not logging some sector times and my position would be lost and it would appear that I was dropping down the field. Normally at the start of a lap it would suddenly correct itself.

However, when this repeatedly happened it was a sign that I was soon to drop connection, but your connection has so far held up in when it's been happening.





Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: JPS on October 20, 2008, 11:13:31 AM +0100
Did you get the blue text saying "Race finished.....blah blah blah", cause anything else is not the race finished yet?
I remember the voice message re race finish, but I have to be honest I don't recall the message confirming this.


Hey, I just checked the GT2 Championship Standings and I finished Third at the end of Season 8, I am very pleased with that, for my first GT2 season 8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Truetom on October 20, 2008, 11:44:01 AM +0100
Hey, I just checked the GT2 Championship Standings and I finished Third at the end of Season 8, I am very pleased with that, for my first GT2 season 8)

Well done, buddy.  :thumbup1:   See, what joining the Legends does.  ;)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Mark J on October 20, 2008, 11:49:26 AM +0100
Great job JPS  8) Well done mate.

I slipped to 6th after missing yet another round. Think i only made it to 4 races of the whole season due to house move, ISP and now FPS problems.  :(

Just to add to my annus horriblus, i just got laid off at work ..2wks notice  :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Blunder on October 20, 2008, 11:58:39 AM +0100
Morning All,

Really enjoyed that!
Struggling for front end grip until a last minute change did the job!
Struggled to get a half decent quali lap in due to sim/game issues.
Had to drop and reload before I saw anyone! Forgot about the + / - thing!
1.51 in quali but did a 1.49.8 in the race which I am really pleased with!
Thanks to Truetom for an undeserved extra position!

Thanks to all the aliens, podiums, championship victors, gentlemenly racers and especially all the admins for an excellent fun season.

Looking forward to the next one!

M.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: JPS on October 20, 2008, 12:01:07 PM +0100
Hey, I just checked the GT2 Championship Standings and I finished Third at the end of Season 8, I am very pleased with that, for my first GT2 season 8)

Well done, buddy.  :thumbup1:   See, what joining the Legends does.  ;)

TT

Thanks TT, I dedicate my result to my new Team ;D


Sorry to hear about your work MJ


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Kerr on October 20, 2008, 12:03:32 PM +0100
Great job JPS  8) Well done mate.

I slipped to 6th after missing yet another round. Think i only made it to 4 races of the whole season due to house move, ISP and now FPS problems.  :(

Just to add to my annus horriblus, i just got laid off at work ..2wks notice  :(
Not good about the job situation. Hearing it all too often at the moment. I hope you get something sorted out quickly.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 20, 2008, 01:28:08 PM +0100
Just to add to my annus horriblus, i just got laid off at work ..2wks notice  :(

That's terrible news, MJ. :'( Fingers crossed you find something else soonly.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: psuedo on October 20, 2008, 01:31:07 PM +0100
Sorry to hear that Mark...hope something comes along for you soon.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 20, 2008, 01:44:52 PM +0100
Sorry to hear that Mark. Hope you find new work soon!

My wife and I have both just taken 20% pay cuts as the company we work for is struggling through the collapse of Lehmans specifically at the moment, but also the finanical sector falling to peices over night too.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: H@L9000 on October 20, 2008, 01:59:43 PM +0100
I thought you guys were braking quite early for the chicane and T1 most of the time, but when HAL was following me towards the end, I guess it was my turn to be breaking early, because he ran wide trying to avoid me.

That was one of my silly mistakes in last nights race. ::) I dont think you braked early at all.

I had been pushing too hard with how late I could brake on that corner and did not compensate for the fact that I was so close behind you. When it looked like I would hit you, I through my car off track. Almost got stuck on the curbing, close one. :D

Such a shame because all of my battles ended in a similar way last night. :'(


Sorry to hear about your problems MJ :-[
I have been trying to get a decent job 'all year' so that I can pay off my student loan. But it is just not happening. :'( And now my prospects are only going to get worse from the look of it.

We just have to be British about it and patiently and gracefully wait for our economy to improve before returning to the good life. Similar mind set to that needed when queuing at the post office. Chin up lads.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Mark J on October 20, 2008, 02:01:28 PM +0100
thanks for the well wishes gents  :-*

yeah not the greatest news to hear on a bleak monday morning  :(
I work in building design so with all the banks withdrawing their capital, all the big stuff is getting shelved around the globe and i am freelance, so quickly in the firing line for lay offs.

on the brighter side, perhaps i'll finally get some weeks off for practise after working my ass off for 20+ years !  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: psuedo on October 20, 2008, 04:13:15 PM +0100
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Hope we can incorporate some parts of the 2006 mod into our next GT1 season - MC12 felt great at the test race in Magny Course and I hope I can drive it the next season. Then CBR9, then C6R.

 :whistling: :shifty: No more questions at this time please  :shifty: :sorcerer:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: purdie on October 20, 2008, 05:19:53 PM +0100
on the brighter side, perhaps i'll finally get some weeks off for practise after working my ass off for 20+ years !  :)

sorry to hear that Mark  :-\ hope you hang onto the 964

i know the feeling, i have two houses i have just finished building and if i break-even I will be very happy! In the mean time I need tenants etc....its all dried up  :-[


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: ginsters sponsored on October 20, 2008, 05:22:13 PM +0100
Tough break MJ. If its any consolation, think we are all up the same sh*t creek.  

At least my G25 should arrive by the time I get laid off :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: spanner on October 20, 2008, 06:36:02 PM +0100

Yes, I am showing as DNF because I hit the escape button a after I crossed the start/finish line after the race finish sign came up (after having done a warm down lap and hitting the escape button before the pit entrance), not to mention others drivers doing doughnuts round me :o and chatting about the race, always a sure sign the race has finished.

Never mind, not much can be done about it now I suppose :'(, sad technical end to what was a good season.

So are you saying you crossed the line for the chequered flag then did a slow down lap, but hit Esc rather than into the pits? Sounds like it assumed you did another lap. Bad luck anyway, I spent far too long in the pits having started with half-race fuel then deciding to change tyres as well as i didnt think they would last. It feels like the tyres just go to jelly then suddenly go back to something like normal after a few laps. Not sure what happend early on JPS you just seemed to spear off into the gravel, hit the curb wrong?

Its a shame we wont be using this again as its a track i like. What about the BMW Challenge version? That should be sorted, surely?

Was reasonably happy having only been lapped once by other GT2's and i'm finding i reach my peak sooner than before but can't seem to move it on at the moment.

Just wondering are we going to be waiting till after Chistmas for next season as last year it was a convienent break?

Sorry to hear about the job woes, Mark and Shark. Sadly its the sort of thing thats affects everyone not just specific sectors.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 20, 2008, 07:46:28 PM +0100
JPS, can you submit an 'incident report' please to remind somebody to look into it on the basis of the replay. Hitting Escape once you've actually been given the 'finished' message should never result in a DNF (though you can get a DQ after the flag). We've occaisionally had drivers about to be lapped see the chequered flag and hit escape wrongly thinking the race was over, which is all I can think of right now.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 20, 2008, 08:50:21 PM +0100
Scratch that, it appears that you crossed the line to start you final lap just ahead of FreQ as he took the chequered flag, saw a stranded Saleen a few corners from the end, and assumed that the race was over, pressing escape and returning to your garage just before the final corner of what should have been your final lap. ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Jeffrey on October 20, 2008, 09:13:38 PM +0100
The effects of joining the Legends already become apparent. The force is weak in that one ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Joss on October 20, 2008, 09:18:47 PM +0100
Was a good race for me, at least my pc held out this time  :-X

Was a little surprised to get pole after downloading the track at 7pm. Anyway, thought Busi would come through anyway and after a while he did. Had a gap by then but it stayed about the same. After the stop it was about 8 seconds which slowly shrunk down bit by bit until the final few laps, where it stayed around 3-4 seconds. Lapping peeps in the final few mins was tense but everyone was polite (1 person decided to slow on the racing line in the middle of a corner...but on well). Hope I didn't make any lunges.

Gd race from Busi, who was faster than me. Sort your qually out!

The track was very high grip, so much so that it took me a few laps to acclimatise to it. Just had a look and this year, the GT1's were doing roughly 1:55's around the track...in 2008. These cars are 2004 right? Felt great in qually where it was like having speedbug in GTR1, but would be much better if we reduce the grip by about half.

And the Veedol chicane is evil. I don't think I ever took that corner the same twice in the whole race. T1 was fun though. Going in there, hitting the weird bumps and losing the back, drifting into the apex with the back hanging right out was fun, if bad for the laptimes/tyres ;D I was running 6.5/7.5 if that helps TT. Was going to raise it after noticing bottoming on the back straight but decided it was probably bad track coding as opposed to my ride height being the problem, so just made do.

Shame Jon didn;t race. That would have been fun  :-[

Soz to Dave for ruining your lap. At least you don't get points for fastest laps. A point for pole could be a good idea though.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Busi on October 20, 2008, 09:43:58 PM +0100
Gd race from Busi, who was faster than me. Sort your qually out!
As I said I realised too late time was running out, but it has been a good number of odd circumstances that didn't allow me to qualify well in several of the upper endurance races, that is sad because I've never been able to be ahead of you on track and try something to challenge you at least. Will try hard next time though, get ready :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: Simon Gymer on October 21, 2008, 08:36:38 AM +0100
Its a shame we wont be using this again as its a track i like. What about the BMW Challenge version? That should be sorted, surely?

Me too, but no unfortunately not. The BMW Challenge one as with the GTL one has appauling framerates, although I suspect the bugs are fixed. This one is neither of those versions anyway (it would be illegal I would assume anyway :().


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: JPS on October 21, 2008, 03:10:56 PM +0100
Scratch that, it appears that you crossed the line to start you final lap just ahead of FreQ as he took the chequered flag, saw a stranded Saleen a few corners from the end, and assumed that the race was over, pressing escape and returning to your garage just before the final corner of what should have been your final lap. ::)

Thanks Gizmo, a school boy error it would appear, strange set of circumstances in the heat of things, won't let that happen again, I assure you.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: psuedo on October 21, 2008, 04:09:28 PM +0100
See you are getting right into the spirit of things at the Legends eh!....(Senility you know)  :P ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: JPS on October 21, 2008, 04:23:28 PM +0100
See you are getting right into the spirit of things at the Legends eh!....(Senility you know)  :P ;D

Thats 'school boy error' not 'old age error' Psuedo :P ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Nürburgring (GP) - Oct 19
Post by: psuedo on October 21, 2008, 04:25:15 PM +0100
see....you've forgotton how old you are already  :laugh: