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Title: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: ginsters sponsored on October 09, 2008, 11:12:25 PM +0100
All members welcome.

Practice: 20:15 (10 mins)
Qualifying: 20:25 (10 mins)
Race: 20:35 (43 laps = ~80mins)

Track: Phillip Island from track pack (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#msg54518).
Cars allowed: Any GTC65 including Ferrari 250GT SWB and Aston Martin DB4, both available from downloads page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#msg54518), but barring the GT40 and McLaren.
Time of Day Setting: 12:00
Start: STANDING
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel or change your tyres. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTL Classics Cup
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.ukRules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0).
(3) The season will be run using the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.6.5.0 which will need to be installed prior to racing; please get it from the downloads page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#msg54518).
(4) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car

If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

(5) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=188;theme=5)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 11, 2008, 03:01:52 PM +0100
Hmm... I wonder what car I should take...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Austin_Healey_3000_Mk_I_vr.jpg/800px-Austin_Healey_3000_Mk_I_vr.jpg)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Jeffrey on October 11, 2008, 03:08:31 PM +0100
Das ist ein Deutsche Healey, das ist blasphemy :P.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Phil Gilliland on October 11, 2008, 04:05:12 PM +0100
Das ist ein Deutsche Healey, das ist blasphemy :P.

Eigentlich ist es ein Deutscher Healey.  ;)

There's loads of 'em round here. Don't know where they all come from. And Mk II Jags, and a fair few Cobras. Yesterday I saw a Triumph Herald convertible, of all things. :o All l/h drive.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: AlexDemko on October 11, 2008, 08:02:22 PM +0100
Hi Guys,

I'm, new here, but not in simracing business, i think.  :laugh: I want race with you in GTL. I made/converted some tracks for GTR1/GTR2 and GTL back in 2006, if I right remember. My experience: I race with some alien guys in SimChallenge and more.... :laugh: ;D

Und na ja....das ist speziell für dich Herr Ruskus (Jeffrey???). Wir waren zusammen im Jahre 2005 oder 2006 in Simchallenge, aber dort waren einige "Space-Aliens". Aber ich fühlte mich wohl. :)))

Das ist aber genug für heute.

See you in the tracks.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Jeffrey on October 11, 2008, 08:33:55 PM +0100
Und na ja....das ist speziell für dich Herr Ruskus (Jeffrey???). Wir waren zusammen im Jahre 2005 oder 2006 in Simchallenge, aber dort waren einige "Space-Aliens". Aber ich fühlte mich wohl. :)))

Hi Alex ;D. Another alien has landed ;D. I ain't racing anymore which is a shame, or else we could have a great fight again :).


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: AlexDemko on October 11, 2008, 08:53:05 PM +0100
Und na ja....das ist speziell für dich Herr Ruskus (Jeffrey???). Wir waren zusammen im Jahre 2005 oder 2006 in Simchallenge, aber dort waren einige "Space-Aliens". Aber ich fühlte mich wohl. :)))

I ain't racing anymore which is a shame....

Hmmm...this is really bad news for me. May I ask you why?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Jeffrey on October 11, 2008, 10:00:29 PM +0100
Hmmm...this is really bad news for me. May I ask you why?

Lack of time ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 13, 2008, 02:21:27 PM +0100
Can the organisers confirm that the Mercedes collision fix is installed on the server please?

And ban the Lotus 26R  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: ginsters sponsored on October 14, 2008, 05:22:35 PM +0100
And ban the Lotus 26R  :laugh:

We did consider dropping the Cobra and Ladies car ( ;)) for this one but, the slower GTC cars have had a good airing lately so decided to leave it openish. There's gonna be a big gap between the Cobra/Elan and the rest but lets hope we get some variety. At worse, a straight Elan/Cobra fight is never dull :)

This track is a great combo with Healey or Cobra so I'm looking forward to this.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: psuedo on October 14, 2008, 05:24:19 PM +0100
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Can the organisers confirm that the Mercedes collision fix is installed on the server please?

It was installed for the race a couple of weeks ago....its not been removed as far as i am aware


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Madd-RIP on October 14, 2008, 07:13:10 PM +0100
Narrow track in places lots of choke points, and those kerbs! Some are lethal.  :D
Any times yet, low 1.40's atm


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: pribeiro on October 18, 2008, 11:31:30 PM +0100
Narrow track in places lots of choke points, and those kerbs! Some are lethal.  :D
Any times yet, low 1.40's atm

:alien: :alien: :alien: :shifty:

 ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Madd-RIP on October 19, 2008, 09:05:49 PM +0100
 :D not true Pribeiro! I've got 8 fingers and 2 thumbs so I'm human!!
What are you getting around here, or have you not practiced yet?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: pribeiro on October 20, 2008, 09:43:57 AM +0100
I will try to give a go tonight, i give you the feedback later  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Steve Holmes on October 20, 2008, 12:58:40 PM +0100
Phew, was thinking you'd gone stellar Madd!  Low 40s, waaa.   :o

Tried the Corvette, totally not suited to such a twisty technical track, but quite a blast.  Down to low 52s. 

Is everyone gonna be in Cobras and Elans or will there be a few E-type/Fezza/Healeys (apart from Dave  ;)).  With its horrendous tyre wear and weight the Vette isn't going to zoom away from them.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Madd-RIP on October 20, 2008, 11:56:08 PM +0100
Phew, was thinking you'd gone stellar Madd!  Low 40s, waaa.   :o
I've just checked my Career blt file (too late to test it out) and yes, low 1.40's in both the Cobra and Elan, and the track is listed as Jarama79, I'll test the track again tomorrow to confirm it (memory a bit fuzzy!!) but I'm sure that's what I'm doing here.  :-[


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Geoffers on October 21, 2008, 09:05:51 AM +0100
There are 2 versions of Jarama for GTL, Jarama & Jarama79. The 79 version is about 10s a lap faster.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Madd-RIP on October 21, 2008, 09:18:02 AM +0100
 ;) Thanks, I am using the SROU  download so Steve must have a different version.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Steve Holmes on October 21, 2008, 01:25:10 PM +0100
Yep, that'll be me picking the wrong one then, having all those altbierbude ones can get confusing when you're losing your faculties........nurse!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: pribeiro on October 21, 2008, 03:21:48 PM +0100
My expectations for this race arent very high.
I did a 2 laps test with a few cars and only managed to achieve 1.43.
The car decision will be beetween:
-Healey
-Black Cobra, yep....it seems to have more handling on this track
-Elan
-Alpine, in fact i got the feeling that i could done less 2 seconds with this car  :P after deal with its natural understeer, it might be the one for this track, with the advantage of the 5 speed gearbox, which is more usefull in a track with Jarama layout
Tho 2 laps is not much to have a reasonable feeling and setup, but....it is something  ;D

Cheers                                     


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: phspok on October 22, 2008, 01:14:22 PM +0100
Had a few laps here in various cars also.
Blue Cobra 1:41
Elan 1:43
Aston (ever hopefull) 1:44
Vette 1:45

Not tried Healey yet, the default setup for the Ferri SWB didn't suit this track for me
and I think 47's were all I could manage. I would have thought the Renault was underpowered
for here


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Legzy on October 23, 2008, 12:28:29 AM +0100
Erm, am I the only one getting game crashes here at Jarma? I've had about six crashes so far & I've hardy used it yet. Normally my GTL is totally solid.  ??? :'(
They've all happened about 20-30 mins into practice or Qually.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Blunder on October 24, 2008, 09:40:43 AM +0100
Erm, am I the only one getting game crashes here at Jarma? I've had about six crashes so far & I've hardy used it yet. Normally my GTL is totally solid.  ??? :'(
They've all happened about 20-30 mins into practice or Qually.

After a couple of laps you mean! lol   :lol:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: BillThomas on October 24, 2008, 07:33:43 PM +0100
Erm, am I the only one getting game crashes here at Jarma? I've had about six crashes so far & I've hardy used it yet. Normally my GTL is totally solid.  ??? :'(
They've all happened about 20-30 mins into practice or Qually.

Doing offline practice with Elan - crashed after about 25 mins.  >:( ??? ::) Since I had my computer upgraded GTL has been steady.  :thumbup2: Only program I have problems with is Race07/Evo which locks up occasionally.  Seems to dislike me trying out tooo many cars.  :hammer:

Bill


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 24, 2008, 08:31:54 PM +0100
I've just learned the track and done a 1:45 dead in the Healey.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Tibernius on October 24, 2008, 08:43:20 PM +0100
Erm, am I the only one getting game crashes here at Jarma?

I'll find out next week, if it's going to play up it normally does on this PC.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: dynosaur on October 24, 2008, 10:15:37 PM +0100
I got 1:42 with Cobra, but it sure is a handful... ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Geoffers on October 24, 2008, 11:29:57 PM +0100
Ohoh, another here with CTD after about 20mins. Odd because I did a NoGrip race here some time ago without any problems both offline & online  ???


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Phil Gilliland on October 25, 2008, 07:33:35 AM +0100
Did a 10 lap offline race last night, full grid. No problems during the race other than a couple of jitters, but the game CTD'd when displaying the results screen after. Will try again with fewer cars and a longer race later.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Steve Holmes on October 25, 2008, 12:30:06 PM +0100
I'm afraid to say on about my 11th or 12th offline practice lap GTL crashed for me, and like others here, I don't get CTDs in GTL.  I fear we have a buggy track.  :(

I guess we could switch to the 'other' Jarama version, the layout is virtually the same, just different kerbs and scenery, only took me 3 laps or so to adjust.

On a positive note I was running mid 41s in the Corvette with race fuel.   :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: ginsters sponsored on October 25, 2008, 12:39:16 PM +0100
I'm afraid to say on about my 11th or 12th offline practice lap GTL crashed for me, and like others here, I don't get CTDs in GTL.  I fear we have a buggy track.  :(

Duly noted and thx all for bringing it to our attention :) Will come up with a plan asap.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: ginsters sponsored on October 25, 2008, 01:02:03 PM +0100
Just tried other version of Jamara and I get ctd on loading the track, and mines a fresh install of GTL. Clearly we can't use that one either.

Will pick another track, that we are all familiar with, to replace Jarama asap. Why do my faves never work :'(


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Steve Holmes on October 25, 2008, 01:05:11 PM +0100
That is a real shame, it seemed quite technical to start with but has a really nice flow once you learn it.  Ya boo sucks to CTDs.   >:(


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 25, 2008, 01:24:06 PM +0100
That'll teach me to bother learning a track! :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Jarama - Oct 30
Post by: ginsters sponsored on October 25, 2008, 01:39:14 PM +0100
That'll teach me to bother learning a track! :laugh:

Put down Dave and I for a 1/2 in results then  :) Done a lot of pracci in the Cobra around here to no avail. Oddly I never got a CTD but there's only one option.

Please note change of venue to Phillip Island.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: psuedo on October 25, 2008, 01:42:15 PM +0100
My version of Philip Island has half the textures missing....and the frame rates are horendous.  :-\


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: psuedo on October 25, 2008, 01:44:47 PM +0100
ONLY KIDDING...ITS FINE REALLY  :angel:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: ginsters sponsored on October 25, 2008, 01:46:28 PM +0100
Not funny ;)

Realise this track wasn't a universal hit last time but I think that was due to us all being stuck in the TVR. This is a personal fave of mine :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Geoffers on October 25, 2008, 08:21:52 PM +0100
Just out of interest, I DLed Jarama79 from NoGrip, V1.02, which I presume is the same version we were going to use. Same result CTD after 15-20 mins. The version we raced at NoGrip around 15 months ago, V1.0 ran fine, so it would appear that something the track converter did between V1.0 & V1.02 is causing the problem.

If we would still like to race Jarama79 at some time, I still have V1.0.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Legzy on October 25, 2008, 09:08:06 PM +0100
Please note change of venue to Phillip Island.

I guess it had to be done, but I'm gutted about this.  :'( :'( :'(
Having not been enthralled with Silverstone last week, I'd spent a bit of time practising Jarma instead & thought it was a contender for my 'top' favouritest track!  ;D
I hope we can come back to this track at some point soon, I thought it was a good chance for the Alpine to have a run out, I'll give it a buzz round 'PIsle' but fear it will be off pace here  :-\

p.s. Did anyone suffer a problem while driving it on the practice server?
p.p.s. Accelerating time in pracy was enough to make it CTD after 20-30 mins in.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: phspok on October 25, 2008, 10:37:54 PM +0100
I CTD'd from the prac server. ALthough when I got to the desktop there was a nice note
from windiees firewall saying it was blocking incoming connections. DOn't think it
was related.

Prac server is running Pajama at the moment. WHen it changes to Philligans Island
I'll do some more testing. I've never seen either before so don't have a strong opinion.

SO far at PI. Elan - 1:53.2, Cobra - 1:53.5, TVR - 1:54/55, Aston 1:55/56
TRied E type, felt good for a long race but was really slow at 1:57/58
Aston is fun here, a bit over slidey, and would probably be horrible after
40 laps. Shame it's not a bit quicker.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Madd-RIP on October 25, 2008, 10:53:50 PM +0100
 ::) Oh well time to re-learn a track!
Thanks for the times phspok, very helpful to use as benchmarks  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: pribeiro on October 25, 2008, 11:53:37 PM +0100
Now you tell me, after driving 723 laps at Jarama  :w00t:





I´m joaking  :shifty:
Nice alternative track  :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Legzy on October 27, 2008, 12:15:56 PM +0000
Managed a 1:56 in the Alpine last night after only about 5/6 laps... so was quite chuffed with that.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Steve Holmes on October 27, 2008, 01:27:42 PM +0000
Refused to change my car choice so out came the Vette round Philip Island and I was very surprised to do a 52.1, less than a second off my TVR time from last season.  Phew, thought all those long corners would murder it.

But the tyres are gonna be a mess after 5 laps or so, huge long sustained powerslides out of the corners are pretty punishing.  ;D

Think you're right Ian, Philip Island is a great track and it was the TVR that probably put many off. I'm not really so bothered about Enduros, I can never concentrate that long  :P but I am looking forward to this!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Legzy on October 27, 2008, 01:56:17 PM +0000
But the tyres are gonna be a mess after 5 laps or so, huge long sustained powerslides out of the corners are pretty punishing.  ;D

I know you'll laugh, but I was having the same problem with the Alpine.
I echo the good substitution track choice.  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 29, 2008, 01:11:35 PM +0000
Calling all late nighters
Online praccy @ 10:30(ish) tonight, highest standards of gentlemanly conduct expected (not).


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Tibernius on October 29, 2008, 01:13:59 PM +0000
But the tyres are gonna be a mess after 5 laps or so, huge long sustained powerslides out of the corners are pretty punishing.  ;D

I know you'll laugh, but I was having the same problem with the Alpine.

I found that the Alpine does drift quite a lot; I have a feeling it's because there's little downforce at the rear of the car. It was drifting almost every corner in Porto.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Legzy on October 29, 2008, 01:20:24 PM +0000
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Online praccy @ 10:30(ish) tonight, highest standards of gentlemanly conduct expected (not).
I'll be online a bit earlier then that, as Mrs Legzy wants Baby Legzy on a 'routine' that means racing at 10:30 can be a bit sticky for me. Any of you folk out there that have kids already, will know how key it is to get baby into a solid routine  :surrender:

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I found that the Alpine does drift quite a lot; I have a feeling it's because there's little downforce at the rear of the car. It was drifting almost every corner in Porto.
It's a mental drive! ;D But sadly I think that with the opposition cars it's going to be up against here, it's just well outclassed on this faster track, it needs the twists & turns to have a chance.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 29, 2008, 01:47:55 PM +0000
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Online praccy @ 10:30(ish) tonight, highest standards of gentlemanly conduct expected (not).
I'll be online a bit earlier then that, as Mrs Legzy wants Baby Legzy on a 'routine' that means racing at 10:30 can be a bit sticky for me. Any of you folk out there that have kids already, will know how key it is to get baby into a solid routine  :surrender:

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I found that the Alpine does drift quite a lot; I have a feeling it's because there's little downforce at the rear of the car. It was drifting almost every corner in Porto.
It's a mental drive! ;D But sadly I think that with the opposition cars it's going to be up against here, it's just well outclassed on this faster track, it needs the twists & turns to have a chance.

Some Prodigy folk will be on the Prodigy server earlier this evening, definately around 7'ish and maybe earlier. Always pleased to abuse greet non greenies


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: phspok on October 29, 2008, 02:52:05 PM +0000
Prodigy server?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 29, 2008, 03:06:33 PM +0000
At the lobby do a search for the Phillips Island circuit. There shouldn't be too many. One of them will be this leagues. Another of them will be the Prodigy server, no password required.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Tibernius on October 29, 2008, 03:11:57 PM +0000
I must point out to the Prodigy server admin that it would be useful if it actually said something like "TP" at some point in the server name...I can never find the bloody thing. ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Alex vV on October 29, 2008, 04:02:35 PM +0000
I'll be online a bit earlier then that, as Mrs Legzy wants Baby Legzy on a 'routine' that means racing at 10:30 can be a bit sticky for me. Any of you folk out there that have kids already, will know how key it is to get baby into a solid routine  :surrender:
;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Sandor M on October 29, 2008, 09:23:32 PM +0000
Yeeha,

Finally got connection on my game-PC . Had to drill big holes into 2 ceilings but made it to the second floor ;D
And now i have to keep my fingers crossed about stability and ping for my new ISP.
So , with no practice at all for the last 4 weeks i'm gonna be there tomorrow.  So Legzy (thanx for the mail) , if you wanna race me you have to go very slow.  ;D

Cheers all


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: pribeiro on October 29, 2008, 11:05:55 PM +0000
Only managed to do 1.55, the tanks are out of question, so i maybe will
drive the Jag, Healey, 250SW or even the Alpine  :P


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: ginsters sponsored on October 29, 2008, 11:34:32 PM +0000
Only managed to do 1.55, the tanks are out of question, so i maybe will
drive the Jag, Healey, 250SW or even the Alpine  :P

50 dead in the Cobra but its a little unwieldy around here, I think the Penelope Pitstop Elan car might be too good for me. Might join you there PR as I couldn't face the shame of that ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: ASSASSINO on October 30, 2008, 11:11:32 AM +0000
Count me in


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Ade on October 30, 2008, 11:51:53 AM +0000

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 I think the Penelope Pitstop Elan car might be too good for me. Might join you there PR as I couldn't face the shame of that ;)
[/quote]

I feel no shame ;D just call me Penelope, which one are you? Peter Perfect in the Turbo Terrific  or maybe Rufus Ruffcut in his Buzz Wagon  ;) 1.52 and a bit in the Compact Pussycat .


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: mr_oily on October 30, 2008, 12:03:17 PM +0000
I must point out to the Prodigy server admin that it would be useful if it actually said something like "TP" at some point in the server name...I can never find the bloody thing. ::)

The admin must point out you'll get what you're given.  ;D

I'll try and include TP in future...not much room in the ol' description field though unfortunately   :-\




Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: phspok on October 30, 2008, 12:35:33 PM +0000
Only non passwd Phil's Island server last night I could find was only allowing Alfa

Car choice is harder here than normal, usually I run what I think I can finish with.
Here I can't get the Elan below 52.5, and race laps are 53 with luck, but I can
do 51-52 fairly easy in Cobra though it's harder to be consistant.
TYres on Elan went off for me at Thruxton, (though hitting a wall might have had
an effect..) so I'm tempted to see how the Cobra fairs, I can always change all
48 wheels again.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Geoffers on October 30, 2008, 01:23:28 PM +0000
I feel no shame ;D just call me Penelope, which one are you? Peter Perfect in the Turbo Terrific  or maybe Rufus Ruffcut in his Buzz Wagon  ;) 1.52 and a bit in the Compact Pussycat .

Me neither, just a shame there isn't a pink Elan ::). Can just get into the 51s with the Penelopemobile, so not quite as quick as the V8s but hopefully the tyres will last longer.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Madd-RIP on October 30, 2008, 03:34:21 PM +0000
Finally got my head around the setting up of the Cobra, a beast, worse than the Pants-terror for trying to throw you off the track, so I'll be driving it tonight, The Elan is very good here too tbh, and should benefit from neat driving more than usual, as the track seems to be faster that way ( at least for the Elan anyway, Cobra is another matter).
Should be a fun race (as long as my pc behaves! )


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 30, 2008, 04:35:55 PM +0000
I regret to announce that I won't be there tonight. I'm recovering from a cold, haven't learned the track, and just can't be bothered. :P


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Mr.BMW on October 30, 2008, 06:38:13 PM +0000
I am wondering why it's so lonley in the server, when I realized that you guys probably just had your daylight savings time adjusted lol


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 30, 2008, 07:09:06 PM +0000
That's right, now were GMT


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Mr.BMW on October 30, 2008, 09:37:30 PM +0000
I was worried about my computer's reliability for this race (I'm finally buying a new one this weekend), and as I predicted, my PC let me down.

Shortly before Quali I was getting non stop 1:52s. Come qualy the only good hot lap i could do (got bumped off on one lap, and hit Coop into the first hairpin) was only a 1:53.8 which put me in 20th on the grid.

Started good, as I was mainly surrounded by Elans, so I wasn't overly underpowered on the start. Found some leaks in the traffic and boosted up to about 15th area. Luckily my 1:52 pace came right back instantly as by lap 2 I already set my own PB, and was chasing down 10th. Me and PRebiero had a good fight for a few laps, trading places (and a little paint) back and forth untill I was able to nimble my way into 10th place. Was driving fairly consistent chasing down 9th. Kind of hit the pace in that position as I was about 3 seconds ahead/behind everyone around me. Then, I lost it going uphill, and spun. I tried to drive off track (the inside of the corner was the closest for me to get off), but unfortunately the 3 second lead wasn't enough and I got pinged by PRebs then I was vaulted into the path of Ade :( I hope the damage wasn't to bad for you guys. I suffered some suspension damage after that accident, as well as Aero. My car wasn't turning to the right properly, and I lost alot of top speed.

I was back into 11th, fighting to catch 10th. It was at about lap 14, and then my front right tire really started to feel the pressure of the suspension damage. Spun off the road a bunch and lost places. Pitted in on my planned lap of 18. Just refueled and changed tyres (wasn't gonna spend 95 seconds on my suspension). Came back out and quickly grabbed up to 19th spot. Spun again and lost it, and shortly after rejoining my PC started locking up. Large ammounts of PC lag, and the lead pack was comming up on me. I decided to just ESC out before I cause another accident.

To bad I couldn't finish the race, but at least I got about a Sprint's distance in (which feels good cause I haven't had a GTL Race since June!)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: phspok on October 30, 2008, 09:42:23 PM +0000
Well that was short.
Looks like spanner and legzy had a moment, Steve holmes, Tinman? and I came round the 2nd turn
to find Legzy parked in the middle of the road pointing the wrong way, Steve and Tin go round the
outside, I am in too tight, try the inside and big contact, suspension wrecked gears doing
odd things, limped round to pit, filled up with fuel, changed tyres and fixed damage, 2 + mins in pits
came out nearly 2 laps down, ran round for a few sat behind Dyno, trying not to get in his way
finally got bored and left.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: psuedo on October 30, 2008, 09:44:07 PM +0000
Reasults will be a little later than normal tonight folks...I have to nip out for a while. Will be up as soon as I can.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Steve Holmes on October 30, 2008, 09:52:47 PM +0000
That was rubbish, caused by my chronic lack of preparation never having driven into the pits before, having missed the entrance when I was going to try it in qually.

Almost had to come to a halt at the start when a car appeared in front of me so I dropped to 22nd or so, fought through to 9th, was running a good pace for a respectable finish then tried to pit, actually found my way, got in cleanly but my stupid crappy pit box was the very first one and due to the A-pillar blocking my view it was too late when I saw it.  So effectively a drive though.

Tried to pit again in a red mist and over shot the entrance bumping into the tyre barriers, pitted, didn't need much fuel as I'd brimmed it at the start, but failed to turn off 40 seconds of damage repairs so the net result was I ended up a whole lap down from Ade, Assassino and Spanner I'd been racing before.

Tried to summon the enthusiasm to continue but made my first mistake of the race out on track and quit in annoyance.

Thoroughly enjoyed driving the Corvette around here but I really hate pitstops.  >:(  Okay, my fault for not practicing but I still hate em.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: ginsters sponsored on October 30, 2008, 10:09:15 PM +0000
Thoroughly enjoyed driving the Corvette around here but I really hate pitstops.  >:(  Okay, my fault for not practicing but I still hate em.

At least you've got an excuse Steve. I had practiced pitting but still pushed to hard on entry and hit the ruddy tyres. Then in my red mist I didn't put enough fuel and finished on vapours. Pillock :P

Really strange race for me. Terrible start left me down in 12th and I was really expecting some fun :) Battled hard to catch people in front but every damn one of them fell off before much fun could be had :-\ Lonely race but lucky high finish and the G25 held up well (still need to refine it a tad, hence my rejoin :'().

Congrats to podium. As usual, the lappees were excellent  :) And what a great turnout, thx all :wub: 


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Alex vV on October 30, 2008, 10:16:18 PM +0000
Didn't practice because of a cold and it showed. Jumped into the car, did some last moment tweaks to the setup (when will I ever learn..) and ... I sucked big time.

Congrats to the podium, Bill for beating me in the end and Sandor (you were waaaaay to fast after you extended leave ).

Thnx all and see you next race in sunny Britain.

 :-[


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Spadowski on October 30, 2008, 10:23:52 PM +0000
I am wondering why it's so lonley in the server, when I realized that you guys probably just had your daylight savings time adjusted lol

I got caught out by that as well. Actually my first thought was "Sweet! Big points!" Then realised it was an hour earlier.



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: mr_oily on October 30, 2008, 10:24:55 PM +0000
Jeb good to have ya back - really sorry for the bump in qually, too desperate to get a clean lap in myself but move really wasn't on.

Other than driving like a muppet in qually, loved that one, spent most of it in close proximity to Madd but I just didn't quite have the legs. Wasted far too much time in the pits buggering about but just kept it steady and managed to only lose the one place once it all panned out. Never raced the Cobra before but after finding a setup I felt I could race with safely'ish it was actually a lot of fun although the thing constantly threatened to spit me out towards the end of each stint as the rubber melted away.

Grats to Dan, Madd and nice one Dyno   ;) Oh God...it's Le Mans  :sweatdrop:




Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Madd-RIP on October 30, 2008, 10:31:06 PM +0000
Well done to Dan for the win, and Oily for 3rd.
I just made to many silly errors, changed down too early a couple of times and just too hard on the brakes once meant that I was getting a hiding from Oily from most of the race!  :D , the championship for me is now at an end as Le Mans is when I'll be working so its up to SBG or Pribeiro to go for it tbh,  :'( .
Hopefully RVS will get the team championship however.  :)

Thanks to all the back markers, very polite and aware.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: psuedo on October 31, 2008, 01:39:27 AM +0000
Unbelievable... ::) 28 entrants......only 4 different cars....and only 1 Jag and 1 vett in that...talk about sad. :(......we had best start thinking of total single make racing at this rate.

sorry for ranting on...but everyone 'complains/asks for' more variety and more content...this addon car that addon car.....but then all go for the same one in a race and leave the rest to rust in a corner.

is it any wonder the guys that do the work for these addons etc tend show little interest.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Spadowski on October 31, 2008, 06:23:02 AM +0000
The track change probably didn't help.
Having the choices so open, there's bound to be one or two favourites that most people go with. That's the nature of it. Just like when I used to race in a GPL league. 99% of people went either Cooper or Eagle. It wasn't fast and killer, or slow and crap. They were the middle ground.

Had it not been so hopelessly outclassed, I was going to go Alpine, but when I was told it was a good two seconds slower than the Elan, in a points paying championship, what's the bloody point? Especially when I have a team I'm trying to get points for.

Just like Aida. The most fun car was the Abarth by far. But it's hopelessly slow, so most people will go with a compromise of speed and handling, because if they go the route they want, they will most likely either crash, or be completely off the pace.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Sandor M on October 31, 2008, 07:42:12 AM +0000
Maybe it's an idea to ban the 2 most favourite cars ?  Most of the time you already know what cars that are.
Then people are forced to take different cars than usual and we probably end up with more different cars

The race itself was reasonable. Ended up hitting Tibs in the first corner when his car was going from left to right and back .
This caused him to spin and waited for him. Started completely from the back and had some nice fights with Alex and Bill in the first section of the race.
After being lapped by the first group  I decided to follow Phil who lapped me and noticed that I could keep up his pace.

It did't gain me any place it was a good practice for me , following someone else for a long time.

See you all next week.



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: dynosaur on October 31, 2008, 07:59:42 AM +0000
I don´t think here are people who are aiming for driving nicely at the back in races, everyone of us likes to be in the front and some cars are so slow it is obvious no one wants to pick them. On the other hand all you aliens, there´s a challenge for you who are really quick, to prove that one can be on top with the Singer sewing machine too!

I had my moments too, once I was tightening the screws on my wheel when it got loose while driving, that was fun. Then I hit Bill when he was trying to get out of my way, sorry, tyres were so worn I couldn´t stop to avoid the bump. My first mistake was that I hadn´t mapped a button to change the LCD to see what lap was I in, so had to guess my pitstop, drove too far and had to reverse to my pit area to activate the screen. Otherwise a fun race, thanks to all!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: ginsters sponsored on October 31, 2008, 08:12:14 AM +0000
Unbelievable... ::) 28 entrants......only 4 different cars....and only 1 Jag and 1 vett in that...talk about sad. :(......we had best start thinking of total single make racing at this rate.

Fair play to PR and Steve  :)

I think this lack of imagination by the majority, me included, is more than partly due to the in balance in the GTC65 class. Obviously there are two cars that stand out and it wasn't much of a suprise that it was Cobra/Elan fest last night, no bad thing in my opinion. I'm positive there will be a wider choice next week but maybe we should split the GTC class for next season.

The interesting thing there is 28 entrants  :) The present format is clearly popular ?



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Jeffrey on October 31, 2008, 08:21:04 AM +0000
Unbelievable... ::) 28 entrants......only 4 different cars....and only 1 Jag and 1 vett in that...talk about sad. :(......we had best start thinking of total single make racing at this rate.

sorry for ranting on...but everyone 'complains/asks for' more variety and more content...this addon car that addon car.....but then all go for the same one in a race and leave the rest to rust in a corner.

is it any wonder the guys that do the work for these addons etc tend show little interest.

I think very restricted car choices is the way to go. Like you say, many want variety, but when it comes down to it, most of them will always pick the fastest car, and not contribute to a variety on the grid.
It will also make your work easier, as some combo's are already proven worthy, so the need for all the testing gets less.
Also restricted car choices gives closer, but also safer racing. Characteristics will be equal in braking, acceleratioon etc, so less surprises etc.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Blunder on October 31, 2008, 08:23:12 AM +0000
Morning guys,

Have to admit that as on previous posts here!
Only real choice for me was the Elan, it was an Enduro so I have to take something I am consistent and preferreably not too slow in!
All other options were a none starter for me so as far as I was concerned it was a one car race anyway!
Look at the results, the aliens took the Cobra everyone else bar as few brave soles picked the Elan.
I would love to race something more 'interesting' but with points at stake it's hobsons choice  ;D
The gap from a low powered well handling car to a heavy weight, high powered tyre eating monster is just too great for the none aliens most times!
I am however getting the hang of the Falcon slowly so I guess all of us are improving with time!

As to the race, I had my force feedback click off as the race started! no idea why!? which made it a challenge!
Had a great Cobra vs Elan race with API, absolutely classic, he was faster on the straights, I was faster round the corners, lap after lap until inevitably his tyres were getting tyred! ( Excuse the pun !  ;D ) and I pulled away! Went into my pit stop, planning to just take on a litre of fuel but for some reason the cursor, wasn't working so that meant new tyres and out! frustrating cos the 30 odd seconds I lost would have given me another place!

Thanks all, especially the admins!  ;D

M.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 31, 2008, 08:35:42 AM +0000
You may recalll that I actually asked for the Lotus to be banned. Sure limit car choice but do so by restricting the most popular choices. I have deliberately been choosing cars this season that I would not normally choose just to make my overall experience of GTL racing more complete.
If it helps, when I was in MARA (I sound like Uncle Albert in Only fools.......duing the war etc) they reserved certain cars for different classes of drivers. Worked well there.

As a add-on thought. I would like to see seperate classes racing together and having class winners.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Minton on October 31, 2008, 09:09:19 AM +0000
Regarding the car choice  the only way to get people to pick uncompetitive cars is to have classes inside a class,  although this is mostly fun ,people still want to be competitive theres no point racing a car when theres no chance of actually competing . Take the BTCC of the 80's when they had  A,B.C.D class ,remember John Cleland winning the title in 1989 in a class D 200 bhp 2 lt astra against all the 550 bhp  Rs500,s!  So a class D car would get the same points as a class A car for a class win.
Obviously this would be a lot more work for the modders and not really viable .


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Geoffers on October 31, 2008, 09:36:05 AM +0000
Another one who made a mess of his pitstop. Pushed too hard turning into pitlane & went across the grass, missed the barriers & carried on onto the S/F straight & had to do another lap  ::).

Pleased to be the first Elan home, although I couldn't stay with Ossie's similar car in the early stages. We were quite close for many laps though, snapping at the heels of the slower Cobras, until I ran off track at the last corner & lost several seconds. Everyone ahead pitted around half distance & I inheritted the lead for 2 or 3 laps until Dan caught me & blasted past followed by Matt & Mr Oily. Pitted late & just put fuel in which dropped me to 6th. I was gaining on Ginsters & Dyno at the end but needed another 2 or 3 laps.

Congrats to Dan, Matt & Mr Oily.


With a points system people will always choose the car they feel the have the best chance of doing well in. Maybe a sort of points coefficient could be used where you would score say double or triple points if you use a slower car.

Just my thoughts.

Cya all next time
Geoffers


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: pribeiro on October 31, 2008, 09:42:47 AM +0000
Unbelievable... ::) 28 entrants......only 4 different cars....and only 1 Jag and 1 vett in that...talk about sad. :(......we had best start thinking of total single make racing at this rate.
Thats what i felt just before start. :yawn:

BTW, i don´t know how to make multi-quotes, so please fogive me to post more than one time (NOOB)  :surrender:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: pribeiro on October 31, 2008, 09:44:04 AM +0000
Maybe it's an idea to ban the 2 most favourite cars ?  Most of the time you already know what cars that are.
Then people are forced to take different cars than usual and we probably end up with more different cars

Completely agree, Jeff made a point also! :yes:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: pribeiro on October 31, 2008, 09:52:29 AM +0000
  As a add-on thought. I would like to see seperate classes racing together and having class winners.

Me too, inside GTC-65 cars we can have 4 separate classes.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: pribeiro on October 31, 2008, 09:55:16 AM +0000

With a points system people will always choose the car they feel the have the best chance of doing well in. Maybe a sort of points coefficient could be used where you would score say double or triple points if you use a slower car.

A very sense alternative, i believe we once did something similar, not sure tho.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: TinMan on October 31, 2008, 10:13:00 AM +0000
You may recalll that I actually asked for the Lotus to be banned. .

Yeah, and then you went and drove it Tony, so I couldn't really see your point.

Why does anyone care what car anyone else is driving?. I couldn't care less what other people drive, or whether all the cars on the grid are the same make. That's partly the point in skinning the cars. As long as the racing's good (and this season it has been very good)what does it matter?

Rant over.

TC


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Steve Holmes on October 31, 2008, 10:29:03 AM +0000
Think TC is probably right, although it was a shame there wasn't more variety it doesn't actually detract from the racing.  We could alternate races with predictable car choice then next time exclude the Cobra/Elan, that would make for interesting choices, TVR, Daytona, Vette.  :)  To be fair to all the people that took Elans (and Cobras), I only took the Corvette as a challenge in a championship I'm not trying to score points in, just have fun, and anyway I really enjoy driving it. If I was racing for big points I might have taken one of the same two cars as everyone else.  So extra credit to PR who was well up in the championship and still grabbed the gorgeous e-type.

I'd say that restricted car choices do work best, definitely in GTC65.  I don't think we could really do different sub-classes, could end up with only 2 or 3 in some groupings, be a bit lonely.

Oh, question - if I manage to drive into the pits in qually, will the position of my pit box be the same as it will be in the race?  Yes, this is how little preparation I've ever done for pitstops.  Still gutted that I simply couldn't see my pitbox hidden away behind the pit entry wall as I entered the pits, after battling incredibly hard for every tenth to catch 6-8th to then lose 20-odd seconds driving through really hurt.  :'(


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: pribeiro on October 31, 2008, 10:34:04 AM +0000
Now the race post.... ;D

TBH, my thoughts just before join the server were: 90% Elan´s, 9% Cobra´s and my E-Type,
(ofcourse these % are just random)
i was wrong, there was a Corvette too.  8)
I really don´t blame the individual choices, the options were there. But got a feeling that, some
drivers choosed a car that weren´t really confortable in, just because is a fast car (theoretically).

As for me, you already know that i like the challenge of a (theoretically) - man, i wrote 2 times now this
word, i hope its correct.  :P
- lower performance car.  :wacko:
But, this is a personal option, i´m weird....hmmmm....maybe.... :lol:
Example: next LeMans race, i will drive the BMW, not the 1000hp Corvette or the 999hp Pantera  :eek:

But quali was not bad, 17th spot and there we go, first lap i was in a respectable 10th place
(luck, but i was there), lap after lap, i began to loose some places as the Cobra and Elan lads,
recover their places.
Had a first fight with Jebstone, nice one, a second (longer and cool) with Ade and a third with Spanner.
I hope you considered my driving defence fair, got a good exit corners, but a bad entering one.
Elan´s just go inside so well.
After the close encounter with the spinning Jebstone car (sorry but i really couldn´t avoid you),
all corners to the left had must made slower, suspension damage, cost me ~2 seconds a lap.
Late pit stop (as almost usual)  :) and a final lap struggling with no fuel and no rear tires,
i didn´t changed them, despite during pit stop they were with a rear wear of 30ish
Very fun race as usual, but no doubt this is a Cobra/Elan track. They should have a class
of their own as long as they don´t race together at Monza.
The things are not very easy to the last race to Ghostspeed team, Assassino quit and Baracus
didn´t show up.
Congrats to Dan win and to Mad and mr_oily for the podium.  :thumbup2:
Nice jump on the points table SBG, nice 4th overall  ;)

Hats off to Steve Corvette choice.

I spent 10 hours writing this text, but i made it, i hope with an average understandable English
 :jumpjoy:

Cheers guys, i love to race with you all


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 31, 2008, 10:44:53 AM +0000
You may recalll that I actually asked for the Lotus to be banned. .

Yeah, and then you went and drove it Tony, so I couldn't really see your point.

Why does anyone care what car anyone else is driving?. I couldn't care less what other people drive, or whether all the cars on the grid are the same make. That's partly the point in skinning the cars. As long as the racing's good (and this season it has been very good)what does it matter?

Rant over.


TC
Because I could. Actualy had the circuit stayed as Jarama I was trying different cars out like the Merc and the GT350. But I hate Phillips Island and simply couldn't be bothered to learn another cars handling for this one track. I'd already had outings in the TVR twice this season and nothing else worked for me so I chose the Lotus.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Mr.BMW on October 31, 2008, 10:55:12 AM +0000
The only thing that Kept me from driving the Aston Martin was the fact that Prodigy doesn't have a paint for it.

I'm a team player, and I like to wear my colors. The TVR wasn't an option as I didn't feel like fighting with it for 80 minutes (this likely being my only race this season), and after remembering how it was last time I was in Australia, it definately wasn't tickling my fancy. The GT350 - well, it's a FORD.

The Blotus was my only remaining option :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Tibernius on October 31, 2008, 11:44:06 AM +0000
I was going to drive the GT350 but my best time with it was 2:00.something. If I'd have driven that I'd have been dangerously slow.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: BillThomas on October 31, 2008, 12:02:02 PM +0000
I agree that with an enduro you need a car you're comfortable with - it's many laps.  8) I had battles early on with Sandor and Alex until I over cooked it.  ::) My pit stop went OK - I tend to drive conservatively at the pit stop.  I've lost more time shuttling back and forth or with a stop and go :cursing:
 than I lose being carefull. 
Apologies to Tony for racing you - I thought you were the car shown a few seconds behind me.  :oops: That's why I flashed my lights after you mussled by.  It was only when a Corvette overtook me I realised my mistake, I confirmed it with the lap board and lifted off to let 2 of you through.  Sorry, hope it didn't affect your result.  :fencing:

Near the end Alex had an off and I got by and managed to hold him off until the end.  Only 2 laps down - that's a first.  :thumbup2:

Bill


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 31, 2008, 12:30:38 PM +0000
No worries  Bill, it's always a pleasure passing you  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Madd-RIP on October 31, 2008, 12:35:39 PM +0000
If a lot of people are unhappy about the cars theat some people take, then why not do more single type races ( I find these extremely good fun). Apparently the merc sprint you all did a while back was quite good, so lets do a few more, I'm not bothered about trying different cars. (GT40 or Escort one make races/championship)

In fact that is what I've done in the last couple of races, Pantera and Cobra have been used instead of my Capri and Elan.

I tested both cars (Cobra/Elan) extensively for setting up purposes and came to the conclusions that decided my race cars.

Hopefully next season with a possibly larger selection of cars will diversify the field again, but people do have their favourites and must not be lambasted for continually racing them.

Would any people here be willing or interested in a one make championship for example, I know the workload of the organisers is high enough already but would it be viable option perhaps?

PS priberio I missed our usual scrap, even though oily kept harrassing me!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: pribeiro on October 31, 2008, 12:59:36 PM +0000
PS priberio I missed our usual scrap, even though oily kept harrassing me!

I was aiming a good scrap for LeMans race, but you can´t join us by then.  :'(
However we will have plenty of races in future to batlle  :D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Madd-RIP on October 31, 2008, 01:15:53 PM +0000
 ;) I am toying with the idea of swapping shifts, so I could race.....


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Tibernius on October 31, 2008, 01:19:47 PM +0000
Apologies to M. Cooper I forgot that the Cobra has such :censored: brakes. :-[
I did a drive through on the lap afterwards, but I think you'd already retired by then.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: spanner on October 31, 2008, 01:25:50 PM +0000
I'm not sure we really have to justify our car choice when the whole class was available for anyone to drive. I think we all knew beforehand it was going to be an Elan/ Cobra fest so no-one can really moan when it did turn out to be one. Why would i pick a car i'm slower in when we all want to do as well as i can and pick the car we're fastest and consistent in.

Can't say i was particularly happy about this track in practise beforehand so wasnt really looking forward to the race, almost hoping to get taken out!
Anyway, managed to get a good start trying to thread my way through everyone and turning into the first LH'er seemd to have most of the pack fanning out behind. Seemed to end up running surrounded by Team Oldie initially and with Tinman understeering wide into turn 2 i tried taking a tighter line and nearly managed it but you tightened up and we hit with you spinning off. Sorry about that Tinman. But you seemed to catch back up as i was up behind Blunder who seemed to be struggling in the slower stuff as i nearly hit you a few times.

Later on i could see Ade getting closer behind me and couldnt really keep him behind but he caught Pribero which held him up as i manged to catch the two of them which lead to some close racing but i thought i'd pit as he was slowing me a bit. Managed to come out on my own and ended up 8th after a few others pitted and then on the final lap i get distracted wondering if its the final lap or not as i cant read the Hud and completely forget i have a corner coming up! Luckily there was plenty of grass but by the time i came back on Ade had gone past! I was hoping to close the points down to him but i seem to consistently 9th at the enduro's! Hopefully that will change as i cant wait for Lemans.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: mr_oily on October 31, 2008, 01:48:03 PM +0000
Did my best but was snapping at ya heels only Madd, was shocked to even be doing that seeing your pace in practice, was getting more and more frustrated watching those lap times drop as mine climbed lol! I'm not sure I'd do a one-make series purely due to time but I'm definitely up for more mixed one-make events thrown in to the mix - a great way to use the add-on cars. Escort a must, haven't had the pleasure in a SROU race but would love to.

Just my opinion but I don't think people's car choice is such a big deal, throughout the course of a season I feel like I get the opportunity to drive everything from washing machines to ocean liners. I hear the grumble re the time invested in add-on cars but if you ask me they've been a success. Ok not week in week out but I bet there's not many who haven't enjoyed the Aston, M1 and 250 at some stage and will continue to do so over time. As for one model racing, I thought the Abarths were hilarious, the Mercs were a real giggle, the pre-season Astons at Hockenheim again were lots of fun and I think those events work well.

I'll happily drive anything but the reality is that on some tracks it looks very tricky to produce a car choice where there are more than two or three realistic race winning models. Less so with TC-65 but last night I felt pretty confident that only the Cobra or Elan were competitive so nothing else appealed. When a big part of the appeal of well organised league racing is the thrill of the competition I don't think it's that much of a surprise people don't fancy the slower stuff.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: mr_oily on October 31, 2008, 01:50:15 PM +0000
;) I am toying with the idea of swapping shifts, so I could race.....

Nah I wouldn't bother mate, I've heard it's rubbish  :shifty:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: psuedo on October 31, 2008, 02:34:55 PM +0000
Nobody has to justify any car choices, it is an open field and everybody is entitled to choose whatever car they desire....thats not what my rant is about. It is about the hours of testing, searching for, making installers for etc etc etc etc...that go in to adding new content that the majority seem to want to make the racing and fields more interesting for all....only to find that the vast majority of folk not using them as something else is a little faster....it's demoralising and doesn't make it easy to get the interest going when folk start asking for new cars etc.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Madd-RIP on October 31, 2008, 03:28:38 PM +0000
I think that we, as a group should try to help you in 'pidgeon holing' cars into respective groups, it was obvious in last nights race that ,although unfortunate, the new additions were simply blown away.
As I said previously, some single class races are just as exciting and rewarding to drive in and would also give people the opportunity and inclination to drive these addon cars, where normally they would be discounted.
If you are able to include some single class races in the next season, both in sprints and enduros, I personally would be very happy, especially if you pick some of the new cars, DB4, 250, 935 (hint) ;) etc.
And don't become demoralised because of the cars driven this season, be proud of the exquisite and hard racing that your efforts have produced, you only need look at the turnout for EVERY GTL race, fantastic.  :clap:
So keep your chin up and force us to drive some of those addons you and the other GTL organisers slaved over, next season!  ;)

PS oily......I think I will swap shifts!  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: pribeiro on October 31, 2008, 03:57:41 PM +0000
;) I am toying with the idea of swapping shifts, so I could race.....

 :eek: C´mon mate, you don´t have to do that, we understand if you will be busy  :w00t:

I´m kidding Madd, ofcourse you will be most welcome  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: pribeiro on October 31, 2008, 04:04:31 PM +0000
@Psuedo:just a short sentence - you had been doing an excellent job, as SBG and all admins
Thanks for your effort to keep things running well and allowing us to have fun week by week!



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: mr_oily on October 31, 2008, 04:14:21 PM +0000
PS oily......I think I will swap shifts!  :)

Hahaha good man. Less black and yellow ones would be nice but on the whole, the more the merrier obviously.  ;D

Bob the new cars are definitely appreciated, and needed IMO order to keep things fresh. Think Madd's got the right idea there, the racing has been top notch this season and it sounds like plenty of people are looking forward to using those add-ons, just need the right conditions.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Legzy on October 31, 2008, 04:45:34 PM +0000
Didn't get it right in qually & started 21st on the grid. Managed to haul myself up to 13th by halfway round the 2nd lap & was doing great.  ;D
But got spun by Spanner on lap three & unfortunately Matt in one of the following cars couldn't avoid having a head on with my parked car (facing the wrong way in the middle of a turn, sorry Matt, nothing I could do :(). So Matt & me limped round to the pits, then sat there being lapped a couple of times while our mechanics busied themselves. I managed to get out ahead of Matt & I quickly realised why, I'd opted for not changing my tyres... not a good plan when you've got a front flat >:( :-X. Had to limp round again ::), changed my tyres this time & was already three/four laps down on the race leaders & now a lap down on Matt (who was a lap or so down on the bloke in front of him).

Thought about chucking it in (a few times!), but told myself that 'everyone else still has to pit' & 'I might catch the back markers by the end'... did I hell. Drove quite well but only managed to get back to one lap down on 2nd last finisher.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: spanner on October 31, 2008, 05:01:40 PM +0000
I did? gulp, sorry. i thought you were Tinman, sorry. Hmm.. better check the replay.

Err yeah sorry it was you, and i'm sorry it ruined your race. You just seemed to be running a different line and there was room when i decided to go for it, but you then moved back to the inside.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: BillThomas on October 31, 2008, 08:27:37 PM +0000
PS priberio I missed our usual scrap, even though oily kept harrassing me!

I was aiming a good scrap for LeMans race, but you can´t join us by then.  :'(
However we will have plenty of races in future to batlle  :D

Can someone please give me the link to the Le Mans race - I seem to have missed it?  ;D

I must have been on one of my many hols.  >:D

Bill


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Legzy on November 01, 2008, 12:32:37 AM +0000
I think that we, as a group should try to help you in 'pidgeon holing' cars into respective groups, it was obvious in last nights race that ,although unfortunate, the new additions were simply blown away.
If the admins think this could make their life easier then I think this could be a good way to use the resources available... i.e. Us lot. If you think I could be of any help, consider me a volunteer, I get so much enjoyment out of UKGTL.


Unbelievable... ::) 28 entrants......only 4 different cars....and only 1 Jag and 1 vett in that...talk about sad. :(......we had best start thinking of total single make racing at this rate.
Try not to think of it as 'people only took 4 different cars', instead realise what a great race people had last night in what was a truly awesome match up of track & two cars, the Cobra v Elan. Just watch the entire middle third of the race between Blunder (Elan) & API (Cobra) as they trade position on nearly every straight & corner combination for endless laps! Classic match up & I'm sure massively enjoyed by the drivers! Maybe in future, they can have their own duel races & be removed from the choice on open GTC-65 races? No need to resort straight away to total single class races. Two & three make duels must be a better option, with the odd single class race for cars that don't have an 'equal' rival?


And don't become demoralised because of the cars driven this season, be proud of the exquisite and hard racing that your efforts have produced, you only need look at the turnout for EVERY GTL race, fantastic.  So keep your chin up and force us to drive some of those addons you and the other GTL organisers slaved over, next season!  ;)
Echo to what he said, admins have done a stirling job.



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: pribeiro on November 01, 2008, 09:17:30 AM +0000
PS priberio I missed our usual scrap, even though oily kept harrassing me!

I was aiming a good scrap for LeMans race, but you can´t join us by then.  :'(
However we will have plenty of races in future to batlle  :D

Can someone please give me the link to the Le Mans race - I seem to have missed it?  ;D

I must have been on one of my many hols.  >:D

Bill

Here Bill  :)   https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5422.0


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Alex vV on November 01, 2008, 09:19:14 AM +0000
I think we should call Ruskus to race again. He can win all races and the championship so we don't have to worry about championship points anymore  ;D

To only thing that stops me from racing some cars is the simple fact that I will be a hazard for the lappers. Judging/timing and keeping your car off the racing line is already difficult for a mediocre driver like me  :-\

Thought about chucking it in (a few times!), but told myself that 'everyone else still has to pit' & 'I might catch the back markers by the end'... did I hell. Drove quite well but only managed to get back to one lap down on 2nd last finisher.

I nominate you for the 'Spirit of Le Mans' Cup  8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: BillThomas on November 01, 2008, 11:59:18 AM +0000
Thanks pribeiro for that link. :thumbup1:

I got it half right, I didn't miss it because I was on one of my many hols this year - I deleted it from memory as we're off then on a long weekend trip.  ::)  :whistling: So I won't be able to race this one blast.  :hammer:

Bill


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 01, 2008, 12:05:30 PM +0000
Bill, you really need to start arranging your hols a bit better. Missing LeMans  :o unthinkable. Take that man's name. "Don't tell him Pike"  :D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: BillThomas on November 01, 2008, 12:13:19 PM +0000
Bill, you really need to start arranging your hols a bit better. Missing LeMans  :o unthinkable. Take that man's name. "Don't tell him Pike"  :D

Problem is we get our various brochures between now and Christmas make our decisions and book up for the year. ;D

If only all the leagues I race in could publish their programmes at the same time I could work out the not to be missed races and plan my hols around them. >:D

Bill


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: ginsters sponsored on November 01, 2008, 05:29:49 PM +0000
Its amazing you have any time for racing between holidays Bill ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 01, 2008, 06:12:39 PM +0000
"Saga" Bill  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 6 Season Classic Endurance - Phillip Island - Oct 30
Post by: Steve Holmes on November 02, 2008, 05:45:23 PM +0000
Unofficial Lapchart (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/steveh/PhillipIslandGTLEnduro/)