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UKGPL Season 16 - Novices and Amateurs - Race 4 - 65 mod - East London

With three different race winners there is no clear leader in the Amateurs, while Asbjeurn has emerged as the fastest of the Novices.  The selection of East London has been contested, but I hope that we'll have a great race.  It's likely to be run on a combined grid, so the Amateurs should note the slightly earlier start time.   The Novices should have an easier time here than Mosport, as there is no armco (or tyres) and very little scenery to crash into- if you avoid the trees at the chicane, that is.

There has been another request for improved aero for the 65s- the RSC thread is here:  http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=329607 (http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=329607)
While some consider the 66 tow excessive, the slower top speeds of the 65s would reduce this problem to a large extent.  Also, the current 65 model isn't that of the original cars as it was impossible to make it work- the crude solution was to increase top speeds 5%.  The 65s with tow might be fantastic racing- and of course the existing 65s would still be an option.  

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:40 p.m.
(You will need to set up a channel called #ukgpl if you haven't already done so)
IGOR and Race passwords: see above (#post_event_password)

Server 3.ukgpl
IP address  87.194.135.42

Race date = 21-10-2008
Time = 20:45
Track = East London
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = INT
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = long (26 laps)

(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=193&theme=6)

The first '65 East London race was over a shorter distance, make sure you have the correct race fuel!

65 Mod

These were the 65 drivers
BT7 Bonnier, Baghetti, Hulme (Bonnier drove for Walker)
BT11 Brabham Gurney Gardner Anderson Siffert (Siffert drove for Walker, Gardner and Anderson were privateers)
Lotus Clark Spence Rodriguez Mitter Russo Solana (and Maggs Hailwood Attwood Amon and Ireland for Parnell)
Ferrari Surtees Bandini Rodriguez Vaccarella Bondurant Scarfiotti
Honda Ginther Bucknum
Cooper McLaren Rindt
BRM Hill Stewart


The 1965 season was the last to use the controversial 1500cc formula which had begun after 1960, to the initial advantage of Ferrari.  The 1965 cars are smaller than the 1967 cars and have less torque and hence more grip.  It was claimed that they 'cornered on rails', however this allowed the Grand Prix series to retain the use of circuits which were otherwise to prove extremely dangerous.

The 1965 cars are ideal for those new to GPL as they allow the tracks to be learnt in light reliable cars, however these are also full Formula One cars, and quite fast....  Jim Clark won the 1965 East London Grand Prix from pole in a Lotus.  His qualifying time was 1'27.2.

David Wright's 'Legends' site http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/  (http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/) has the download of the most recent 2.0.1 version (under 'details') as well as being an exceptional guide to both 1965 and 1967, for those interested in Formula One history.

Unfortunately the current 65 mod download does not have default setups.  Default setups for all the cars and tracks that are likely to be used can be downloaded from http://www.neurology-crew.com/gplserver (http://www.neurology-crew.com/gplserver) under '65 setups'.  Note that you will have to add enough fuel for the race, whether short or long!

Think there were 21 starters in the combined field at Mexico.

Hope we can all get in.

I think that if you are making changes to the race times then the season list should be updated.  It says 9:00 is the start time and those who do not manage to find these threads are likely to think that that is still the case.

 :) as usual ; my Ferrari setup http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?p=3904392#post3904392

so far 1-26-54 best lap.

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 ??? did vote for update the 65mode (with slipstream effect  and more important with collision box outa 66 mode) couple of month ago inside RSC major thread to that question .

Should I vote again ?

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stay tuned
Nicky Ickx :D

Ok Clive.  You might be right about having to split the grids to get everyone on though, even if neither Bernie or Paul will be there.  Will your server be available?  Also, what difference is there between your server settings and the normal UKGPL settings?  Have you complained in the past that the recommended UKGPL bandwith settings are wrong?  Peter has been dropped from the grid of the last two 3ukgpl races, but made it onto your server.

The practice server has the normal settings.   

According to the discussions on this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5393.msg90800#msg90800).  Clive sets his server to 3/132, 3/84 which is the same as the recommendations on the UKGPL web site here (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/moderating/igor).

Jack, I think you must be referring to Clive's comments earlier in the season when we hadn't settled on 3/132, 3/84.  I seem to remember we had the BW set higher than that at the start of the season, or am I mistaken?

As Phil says, there is no difference at present.  When UKGPL first used iGOR the settings were 3/84, 3/384 which results in every client being able to see every car.  I think that that is excessive but our current broadband connections can do it when all is working properly.  What it does do is show up any flaky client pc's in much the same way as running a race on your pc with 19 AI.

At the time, I was having problems with my pc and as a result disconnected from most of the 66mod trial races that we ran.

I think that 3/84, 3/132 will show five cars ahead and three behind, which seems adequate to me and also keeps the bandwidth requirements at a reasonable level such that all clients have a fighting chance of staying connected.  I think that this is what equates to “fast” on VROC.  When I first started GPL we were only seeing one car behind, as most people were on dialup.  From my modding experiences, must people have trouble keeping track of a single car in their mirrors so three should be enough.  With races at Sarthe coming up soon it will be interesting to see if everyone can play nicely on the long straights.  They usually focus on the one car behind and forget the one that is behind that.  He is usually clobbered into oblivion when the car who has just been passed tries to duck behind the one who has just gone past.

At times of multiple pile ups in the race there can be occasions when only seeing three cars behind can cloak the guy who is trying to miss all the wreckage but then he shouldn't be approaching an incident at such a speed that he is going to add to the problem.

I'm not sure if I'll be able to attend this race. We'll be moving to a new appartment this weekend, and I haven't had the time to tell our ADSL provider about us moving, so that we can bring it with us. Will call them this afternoon, but I don't know if they can fix it on such short notice. If they can, I'm still not sure if I'll get my race rig up and running in time for the race. Not to mention all the practice I've missed because of all the packing. :(

Edit: I'll definitely not attend this race. :( The phone line will be closed down in the old place tonight, and won't be opened in the new place untill friday. I still have the computer in the old place - haven't had time to pack it - so I hoped maybe I could sit there tomorrow night and drive, but when the internet connection is gone, there's nothing to do about it. (http://forum.racesimcentral.com/images/smilies/shrug.gif)

Gladys is fit and ready.

BTW the link to the championship standings takes you to the 66mod championship.  ::)

A trivial problem to one possessed of wondrous powers, accomplished without effort. Far more demanding was the problem of the sky, which might have escaped a mere faultfinder.

The updates for East London seem to have the horizon wrong- the Balue update does away with the famous prospect of the Indian Ocean, while though the Caballero update retains it, it seems to be wrongly oriented, so that Beach Straight is inland, and the s/f straight is on the beach side.  

Fortunately the horizon files from the Caballero update can also be used with the Balue update.  By adding six to the numbers of the twelve horizon files the ocean is better located, but the sky is wrong.  However, I have fixed this, if anyone wants a copy of the reoriented files.  I still haven't located a download for John's brake markers though....

Could I be so bold as to make a suggestion.  Just now, and probably there is a perfectly reasonable explanation, 4 of us are sitting on IGOR trying to get on the server to do some last minute tweaks to our setup etc (we cant get in as the password doesn't allow us to enter, but we'll sort that when the guys come into chat before the race).  The 6 guys that are in have run a practice and now are into an int short race.

Could I suggest that only 'practice' sessions are run in the final hour before the race so as to let everyone in to have a last blast before the actual event starts?

Did you try "********"?  The universal UKGPL practice password.

Hi Clive,

Please don't post passwords on the public forums.  The practice password is available to members via the passwords section (visible to members only) at top of this page

Sorry Phil, didn't realise that was a members only page.

I can never find the same thing twice in a row so I thought it was well enough hidden.

Hello gui's, sry my english it's no good  :-\

Very thanks for you accepte play with you for this race.

Very very sry for player CG, crach with you in the final lap :-[ after the very good fight, thanks for message after crach in french "pas de probleme mon ami"
You posses the very good spirit, congrat. :notworthy:

Congrat this podium.

Bye and thanks

I know what you mean Clive, it has caught me out before having been used to the old Yahoo groups for such a long time.  I sometimes log in as a guest, that way it is easy to see what is publicly readable. 

Sorry, didn't explain myself very well.  My point was to have only practice and not races in the time leading up to the actual event.  Just a thought.

The password issue was just coincidence.  The practice password was probably the only one we didn't try  ::)

Failed to turn up for this due to a distinct lack of Broadband - or phone line in general   :'(

Hopefully will be fixed later today.

It is a long time since I have experienced a race with a full capacity grid and it certainly adds an extra dimension to proceedings, both in practice( getting a clean lap) and in racing with so much traffic.
The downside is that I suffered on several occasions from stuttering frame rates or latency/warp of some sort, which was a little offputting, but that in no way detracted from the fun.
I particularly enjoyed the debutant Red Arrows/BRM low level display at T1 lap 1, for which I had a grandstand seat...in fact the display took place almost upon the bonnet of my Cooper as they swept across the track. ;D Very thoughtful of you guys to add this extra entertainment.
The race was a case of thrashing my poor Cooper as hard as I dared around the twisty bits and watching in frustration as anything I gained was eaten away on the straight!!! I found myself up to 5th through good fortune and more auditions for the Red Arrows and was looking to score some quite useful points given the chassis handicap.
In the last few laps Alain began to close very quickly and I could see that the last lap was going to be "tres interressant".
Unfortunately neither of us found out how close it would be. As we were about to enter the S/F straight to start the last lap, I was playing it very safe and concentrating on slow in and fast out with no wobbles to try and stay ahead of Alain if I could through T1 and T2, but it seems Alain was "on a mission" and was the later on the brakes than me and my very tired Cooper.
Although he tried to avoid hitting me the resultant contact sent me into an acrobatic display with barrell rolls and cartwheels which has secured a long term contract with the ariel display division. It also finished Alain's race and we both missed out on some very nice points.
But, what the heck, the race was thoroughly enjoyable and the standard of driving and speed from the "novices" is defintely improving.

Grats to the podium and all those who finished. Hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. ;D

That would be me making that display Clive  :-[. After a poor start the red mist descended and I braked far too late for the first corner and clouted an innocent Cooper. I am deeply sorry to whoever it was as it was completely my fault. I dropped back to 15th after the first corner mishap but I fought my way up to 5th by half race distance. Sadly I outbraked myself for the inner loop and hit a hedge which spun me round. I rejoined in 7th and I stayed there until I saw two cars collide in front of me on the penultimate lap. So I inherited a lucky 5th although I expect to get knocked down a few places after my, frankly awful, first corner attempt.

Nice write up Clive.

Can I just check the rules on crashes, if you sustain damage can you do a SHIFT-R?

Does this repair damage?

In the part of practise that I was in I crashed and damaged my car. I returned to the pits, changed my fuel level and went back out but the car still seemed to handle as though it was damaged. Does damage like that not get repaired until the race?

I know. I'm being thick again.

Yes it does AND it gives you a nice full fuel tank and a lovely set of new COLD tyres.  Hence the handing will be affected.

If you do a Shift-R then you need to do a Stop and GO (S&G) see the rules here (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/sporting)

LOL ............so used to "Pro" rules that it never occurred to me to do a "Shift-R"  :-\

 :o :o :o :laugh: :laugh:
Woooooow , unbelievable...my first GPL-league-race win ever. What a feeling… !!!
I am so happy on my lucky win , cant tell…..

Such a thrilling race , started with nice battle on pole. I lost , even so I always found myself back in a lucky situation of clean laps most of the time .
Congratulation on pole position  Lorenzo !!!!!!!

Luck kept at my side even at the start. This time my 1th gear wasn’t too long  and I could managed to pass Lorenzo . kicked my car into turn one first .
As I ( as usual ) forget to save replay , I am not sure which lap it was , Lorenzo overtook me.
Unfortunately he missed the entry to the infield section by tenth of  inches, after that .
From that point on , I could stay ahead.
Both ,Natan and Lorenzo , pushed extreme hard to come close . and it wasn’t easy to stay sort of cool , to be honest . I was really hard working to watch my engine and tyres temps ; told me not to start pushing to hard…
Well , pretty sure I got the backmarkers  all the way up on very comfortable situations to me. That’s why I called it a lucky win at least.


Big hand to Natan and Lorenzo and of course to all taken part !!!!
Special thanks goes to the Novices , all did make an extreme profesional job  I think !!!
And thanks for hosting ! as I already did say : to me this time the servers quality was very good.

Another special thank goes to my friend Norbert , pushing me all the time at free practise, we did quite a lot . very constructive setup work; thx !

Hope some of you could bring a replay to download soon..

See ya al at Spa


Lucky NickyIckx


 :D :D

Grats Nicky, you can download the replay here:
http://www.planet-venom.co.uk/gpl/
and I'm pleased to hear that Gladys was doing her stuff. ;D

Congrats to everyone who made it to the end without hitting someone.  Sadly I'm not in that category.  Having bogged it down on the start, an attempt some laps later to pass John ended in disaster as we touched just at the point of the second kink on the main straight.  Thankfully John was only knocked off course.  I, on the other hand completed the rest of the straight on my head.

Then I threw myself on the grass due to cold tyres.  Add this to the SnG, during which I boldly engaged reverse before attempting to set off and you will understand why the leaders were able to lap me.

Very impressive performance by Lorenzo in the BT7, which I happen to know could not pull the skin off a rice pudding.

Spa is going to be hard work.

I was happy with my race, although I always get a feeling after that I could have done more.  Anyway, qualifying was nothing special and was 14 on the grid.  I was trying to play things a bit safe and use a 'softer' setup that I had been using with reasonable consistency.  However, a last moment of madness hit me and with less than a minute of practice left I decided to switch to a 'harder' setup that I had developed while practicing with Nicky and Norbert in previous days.

I'm pleased I did make that change, I'd got used to it better than I thought and immediately felt at home with it.  After the air display, as Clive so well describes it, at T1 (Potters Pass), I found myself behind my practice buddy, Norbert.  I had a good run out of T1 and was closing to his Ferrari and made a dive up the inside into the sharp right hander at T3 (Cocabana).  It worked, for a change, and I didn't overshoot!

I out-breaked myself into the esses on Lap 5 and overcooked it on Lap 14 again in the esses, ending up losing the rear putting m in the grass on the outside of the 2nd part of the bends.

After that it was a case of settling in and counting the laps off, passing the occasional backmarker, who all did an outstanding job of giving way, thanks guys (stick with it, I was there not long back and still am in 67's).

Geoff and Dave were looming in the background and getting a bit closer each lap but I didn't want to risk anything by pushing.  My place was mine to lose and after negotiating a couple more backmarkers in the dying laps brought her home in 8th, strangely just behind Norbert who I was about to lap.  I know he can go much better here so it was a shame he had a bad run.

Grats to Nicky on his first outright race win, excellent drive.  Applause to the remaining podium.  Also congratulations to Sam who had an outstanding run, and if I'm not mistaken, to head the Novice field home,with an overall 5th in the race (pre-mod, but I still think he was far enough ahead to take the novice win).

Well done all, good racing.

If 65s are going to be this much of a turn out now, will there be 2 servers?

There have been two servers for the last two rounds Burt and I think there would have been last night but for the fact that UKGPL-3 had a hissy fit.

As it turned out, I think there were a couple of places spare.

We are trying our best to ensure that Burt.  However, it is worth remembering that in UKGPL we rely on good will for servers as we do for everything else.  As you know everything we do in UKGPL is on a volunteer basis.  I believe the UKGTR guys organize things a little differently in that they rent their server which is funded from voluntary contributions (have a look at the dial at the top right of the SRou homepage (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php), it will take you to this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=754.105)).  Although I'm pretty sure some of this money also goes into maintaining the SRou forums and domain names (i.e. www.ukgpl.com registration). 

We are lucky in that Bully is letting us use his server for free but there is no doubt that it is costing him money.  I assume Bully has personal reasons for running a server and has been generous enough to let UKGPL use the extra capacity.  In previous seasons, Ian Stanley had a server which he paid for and similarly was generous enough to let us use it.  In all honesty I don't know how 1.UKGPL was funded, it was in place long before I got involved in UKGPL.  All I have is an email contact of the guy who looks after it for us and connects it to his network.  It is getting pretty old now (it is a windows NT machine, Pentium III 500MHz, 256MB RAM, 3dFX Voodoo 3, 10GB partitioned hard disk - yes ten gig) so I don't know how long it will last.

Rest assured we will continue to beg borrow and scrape from anywhere we can.  If I ever win the lottery I promise to set up a server farm so UKGPL and SRou will never need worry about funding servers ever again (unfortunately that's about as likely as me winning the Division 1 Championship!!)

Actually that all comes directly out of my pocket - SRou/UKGPL are hosted as part of the package I use for DaveGymer.org (http://www.davegymer.org/) - but it's less than a tenth of the cost of game server hosting, and I'd have some sort of web hosting account in any case, so only the domain names cost me extra.

Dave, your hero member status is richly deserved :notworthy: yet another one of many things you do to keep this whole show in the road.  Thanks again ;D

Sadly, Clive....I'm with you. Managed to give Alistair a bit of a tap in turn 1 after a reasonable start and passing a slowly accelerating Ferrari from the row ahead of me. Al got a bit crossed up in the turn and as I was on a tight entry thru passing up the inside on the straight, when he ran wide into the real estate I had to occupy because of my tight entry....even fully out of the throttle and trailling a little brake didn't help me avoid tapping him around....then following him onto the grass to have a second go! Sorry Al. Got going again stone, motherless last.
Set off after the field, and had to spend quite a few laps chasing Steve Bucket's BRM down, eventually passing him just after the esses when he got a bit indecisive about passing Vlad, whom did very well, and is improving every drive. Then I was hunting Steve B_1_rd....did an East London PB cutting the margin from something like 12 seconds to just under 5 at the finish. Managed a consistant drive with few mistakes after the lap 1 snafoo, finishing 9th which was quite a surprise in the end. Not a fan initially of East London however I have learned to enjoy it.
Excellent win Nicky, congratulations.....almost time for a BT11 for you now........lol. Congrats to the remaining podium. And finally, very well done all the tail end novices....you chaps a learning and developing very well. The full grid was great fun indeed.
Geoff65

Thanks Geoff. Right now I am concentrating on consistency and was pleased with my drive in this race. Kept on track mostly, apart from a spot of grasscutting near the end, and no Shift/R’s or messing anyone’s race up.
Practicing as much as I can the Mrs allowing – she has rechristened GPL "that stupid game"  :)
Looking forward to the next one – congrats to the winners…