SimRacing.org.uk

UKGPL => UKGPL Races => Topic started by: Jack O'Ferrall on November 01, 2008, 10:22:50 PM +0000



Title: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Jack O'Ferrall on November 01, 2008, 10:22:50 PM +0000
UKGPL Season 16 - Novices and Amateurs - Race 5 - 65 mod - Spa-Francorchamps

Four different race winners and still no clear leader in the Amateurs, while Norbert took advantage of Asbjeurn's absence to become the fastest Ferrari and leader of the Novices.  Spa is long enough that we should be able to run easily as a combined grid, while the recent server problems might leave me little choice as ukgpl3 is out.  We only had seventeen of nineteen starters last time so this time I'd like to fill the grid- the Novices take priority and might get an extended practice.   

There has been another request for improved aero for the 65s- the RSC thread is here:  http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=329607 (http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=329607)
While some consider the 66 tow excessive, the slower top speeds of the 65s would reduce this problem to a large extent.  Also, the current 65 model isn't that of the original cars as it was impossible to make it work- the crude solution was to increase top speeds 5%.  The 65s with tow might be fantastic racing- and of course the existing 65s would still be an option.  

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:40 p.m.
(You will need to set up a channel called #ukgpl if you haven't already done so)
IGOR and Race passwords: see above (#post_event_password)

Server ukgpl4
IP address  84.70.2.30

Race date = 04-11-2008
Time = 20:45
Track = Spa-Francorchamps
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = INT
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = long (9 laps)

(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=193&theme=6)

65 Mod

These were the 65 drivers
BT7 Bonnier, Baghetti, Hulme (Bonnier drove for Walker)
BT11 Brabham Gurney Gardner Anderson Siffert (Siffert drove for Walker, Gardner and Anderson were privateers)
Lotus Clark Spence Rodriguez Mitter Russo Solana (and Maggs Hailwood Attwood Amon and Ireland for Parnell)
Ferrari Surtees Bandini Rodriguez Vaccarella Bondurant Scarfiotti
Honda Ginther Bucknum
Cooper McLaren Rindt
BRM Hill Stewart


The 1965 season was the last to use the controversial 1500cc formula which had begun after 1960, to the initial advantage of Ferrari.  The 1965 cars are smaller than the 1967 cars and have less torque and hence more grip.  It was claimed that they 'cornered on rails', however this allowed the Grand Prix series to retain the use of circuits which were otherwise to prove extremely dangerous.

The 1965 cars are ideal for those new to GPL as they allow the tracks to be learnt in light reliable cars, however these are also full Formula One cars, and quite fast....  Jim Clark won the 1965 Belgian Grand Prix in a Lotus.  Graham Hill took pole in his BRM P261 with a time of 3'45.4 .  The 1965 distance was 32 laps.


David Wright's 'Legends' site http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/  (http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/) has the download of the most recent 2.0.1 version (under 'details') as well as being an exceptional guide to both 1965 and 1967, for those interested in Formula One history.

Unfortunately the current 65 mod download does not have default setups.  Default setups for all the cars and tracks that are likely to be used can be downloaded from http://www.neurology-crew.com/gplserver (http://www.neurology-crew.com/gplserver) under '65 setups'.  Note that you will have to add enough fuel for the race, whether short or long!





Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: NickyIckx on November 02, 2008, 03:18:21 PM +0000
 ;) :)
so far PB 1-39-68

setup here :
http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?p=3913668#post3913668

 but better to ask Alain Maurice ; he`s doin right. 1-37-5x . brilliant one  :o :D

regards
Nicky Ickx


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: b_1_rd on November 02, 2008, 07:26:07 PM +0000
For what it's worth to anyone, my setup which I have a 3:40.090 so far. I don't pretend to be any sort of setup guru at all so make of it what you will, it might make a good base start-up for someone.

click here (http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?p=3913792&posted=1#post3913792)



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: miner2049er on November 03, 2008, 09:06:31 AM +0000
Haven't had much time to practise after my holiday last week but I think I'm around the times posted somewhere.

I based my setup on Steve Cloyd's which is pretty good right off.

I'm curious what sort of top speed are people getting and what are the chances of engine failure in this class with too many revs?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: FullMetalGasket on November 03, 2008, 09:15:04 AM +0000
Certain cars (espesially the Honda) seem to blow engines for a hobby if you keep them wound right up for long periods, As I practice offline in Pro realism I generally get through at least 4 engines while setting up for each race  :o
This shouldn't really be a worry for us as the '65s are run at intermediate damage model so should be fairly bombproof - I've yet to kill an engine when actually racing in them*  :)

Can't comment on top speeds yet as I won't start on my setup till tonight....


* Shame the same can't be said for my '66 driving  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: b_1_rd on November 03, 2008, 12:41:54 PM +0000
I've blown a BT11 engine in the race at Watkins Glen, so it's worth being slightly cautious.

I'm getting around a 168mph top end.

One tip I did get that cut my lap time was to increase tyre pressures.  I'm running at around 28/29 psi.

Hope that helps a bit.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Asbjeurn Tverberg on November 03, 2008, 02:09:20 PM +0000
I won't be able to attend this race either. :( I guess the internet connection will be okay 'till tomorrow after the moving, but the flat is still packed with boxes and plastic bags and furniture that's still not reassembled. There are two rooms that need to be painted before we can use them, so the furniture that's supposed to be in those rooms is stacked in the room that we've agreed on being the office/computer room/play room/GPL room.

I was going to do some painting this weekend, but got a nasty fever that knocked me out. Didn't have the energy to start on any larger projects than moving some boxes here and there, fire up the stove and such. Really annoying.  >:(


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: b_1_rd on November 03, 2008, 02:16:25 PM +0000
That's a real shame Asbjeurn.  Hope you can make it back soon.  Best of luck with the flat and hope you start to feel better soon.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: vosblod on November 03, 2008, 03:33:29 PM +0000
I've tried all sorts of gearings but the fastest I can get out of the Cooper is 162mph - I know it's a slow car anyway but nowhere near Steve's 168


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: FullMetalGasket on November 03, 2008, 03:54:16 PM +0000
Thought you were in the Lotus Vosblud?
That's allegedly quite quick in a straight line :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: vosblod on November 03, 2008, 04:49:31 PM +0000
I was struggling to learn in the Lotus so Dave gave me a chance to swap. Finding my car control is much better in the Cooper but downside is fast tracks - posting around 3.51 so hopefully won't get lapped. Shame there isn't a magic setup to get me to 170mph  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: happyal on November 03, 2008, 05:11:52 PM +0000
3:51 is quite good, last time I raced here, which was only 6 races ago, I was posting 3:55's, I'm still not that much better now. I'v ebeen finding out the hard way that lap times doesn't count for much if you don't keep it on the track. I really need to work on that.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: NickyIckx on November 03, 2008, 06:01:18 PM +0000
Thats a pitty indeed Asbjeurn . Hope you will be healthy again soon and as well hope you can arange the new flat fast and nice. best wishes .
Nicky :)


-----------

@Vosblod , I have no idear how to increase a Cooper`s topspeed.  In general higher pressure to the tyres and more neutral settings to toe /in and out should generated higher topsspeed on a long straight.

btw. my Ferri is doing max 275 kmh at Spa. ( for part of a second ).


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Jack O'Ferrall on November 03, 2008, 06:47:28 PM +0000
Phil has kindly offered us the use of his server ukgpl4 for this race, so I've modified the race details above.

One of the disadvantages of chassis allocation is inflexibility, but as this is no problem to someone who can spin the sky of East London around his P261, I've decided that I am allowed to make a small number of car changes during the season.  I had barred the Novices from the Cooper and BT7 but the Cooper is a popular Novice car so I've allowed Vlad to switch.  I've also offered Clive a BT11 to replace his BT7 to provide yet more competition up front- though he seems reluctant to take it.  Perhaps the BT7 is best left to the very fastest drivers, or maybe there should be a category of BT7/11 with a midseason switch.

On this subject, with this race we reach the mid-season point at which I'll start planning next season.  The chassis allocations should be easier after a season's racing.  I'm also tempted to introduce Clermont next season, we might have Clermont as a preseason race.  Other than that, any suggestions are welcome.   


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Samb on November 03, 2008, 07:39:38 PM +0000
I think it would be a great idea to race at Clermont as a pre-season race. I've always liked the track and I'm sure the rest of the novices would find it loads of fun. If everyone feels ambitious enough, would anyone fancy tackling the Nurburgring maybe? It's probably easiest to learn in the 65s.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: happyal on November 03, 2008, 08:09:44 PM +0000
I'll race anywhere, I might be slow but at least I'm willing :)

I've found the races great fun this year, I hope next season I won't have to learn so much and be able to get onit quicker. I really need to make sure not to lose my head and try to keep it on the track this race.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Storm_Cloud on November 03, 2008, 08:49:03 PM +0000
Certain cars (espesially the Honda) seem to blow engines for a hobby if you keep them wound right up for long periods, As I practice offline in Pro realism I generally get through at least 4 engines while setting up for each race  :o
This shouldn't really be a worry for us as the '65s are run at intermediate damage model so should be fairly bombproof - I've yet to kill an engine when actually racing in them*  :)

Can't comment on top speeds yet as I won't start on my setup till tonight....


* Shame the same can't be said for my '66 driving  ::)

It is definitely possible - I blew the arse off the Lotus at the last race at East London.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: FullMetalGasket on November 03, 2008, 08:49:42 PM +0000
I'm curious what sort of top speed are people getting and what are the chances of engine failure in this class with too many revs?

I'm still working on my setup but my current top speed is 171mph at the bottom of Masta  :)
That's at 12,000rpm mind so I may yet fine tune things for safety, It's good for a 3:40.4 or something at present though on the 'safer' gearbox


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: norbert on November 03, 2008, 09:06:19 PM +0000
I´m afraid I can´t make it to Spa this time. :-[
Real shame , was actually looking forward to it.
Knowing the track (learned it for the pre season race ) and thinking of concentrating on driving practice.
Well , sometimes the real world TM just strikes you without warning.
Can be quiet nasty.
Managed somehow ,the day before East London ,to twist artisticly on my left knee
(in the brotherhood known as the breaking-joint ).
Two days later : double size -triple pain :-\
At least the wive forced me to the doctor :o
Meniscus
 :2guns:
Not shure I can make it to Rouen , but hoping!!!!!

Wish all of you a good race and hopefully see you around

Norbert


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Storm_Cloud on November 04, 2008, 12:02:20 AM +0000
169mph, or 171mph with comedy pressure / camber settings - probably more is possible as that was an outlap. I just need to see if I have time to fettle the setup to work at high speed or whether I stick with the old one I used preseason.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: b_1_rd on November 04, 2008, 12:40:08 AM +0000
Hope your feeling better soon Norbert.  I was wondering where you had been for practice.

All these people dropping out, I might stand chance of another novice podium  ;)

If only I could stay on track long enough.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: EvilClive on November 04, 2008, 11:51:35 AM +0000

[/quote]
"On this subject, with this race we reach the mid-season point at which I'll start planning next season.  The chassis allocations should be easier after a season's racing.  I'm also tempted to introduce Clermont next season, we might have Clermont as a preseason race.  Other than that, any suggestions are welcome.   
[/quote]

Just did a 65 race at Leipzig and was very impressed with circuit, easy to learn and some nice wide bits in places for overtaking. Well worth considering IMHO.

I agree the cooper suffers from straight line speed constipation but makes up for it in very predicatble handling. Unfortunately at Spa it is the "speed " issue that really clobbers any chance of a fast lap.

The BT7 seems better equipped in the velocity stakes and outguns the Cooper here. Well at least it certainly leaves me trailing!!!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: happyal on November 04, 2008, 12:41:07 PM +0000
Really sorry to hear that Asbjeurn Tverberg and Norbort won't be able to make it tonight, it’s always fun racing you guys. Hope you both sort out your problems and get back to us soon.

The Notice race looks like it might be a bit thin on the ground, I hope I’ll be able to have a good clean race with someone.

My top speed is about 169mph too, but only for a blink of the eye.

Looking forward to tonight and wish you all well.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: miner2049er on November 04, 2008, 12:49:33 PM +0000
I can get my Honda up to 167/8 briefly but only if I'm quick through Masta which I rarely am. I always tend to take the more cautious approach as the customary 360 puts 12 seconds on my lap time.  :)

Happyal, I think we could become closeley acquainted at some point during the race.

The Honda just feels really gutless here, but by my own admission I can't yet keep my corner speed high enough to prevent having to accelerate all the way back up to full speed after every corner.

I really need to put more hours in than I have got to perfect the whole high speed sliding thing.

Also, Tuesdays aren't really working out for me. My 3 year old has bathtime and bedtime which rarely runs to schedule so I either have to put up with race interruptions or get her in bed early. Just my luck she woke up during practise for East London. My wife has busy Tuesdays too which doesn't help.

I intend to make every race but may have to drop out at short notice.

The only issue I would have with racing at Nurburgring is that a race would get very lonely. Almost to the point of being a solo player practise.

I'd like to try the Milwaukee Dirt Mile as a season finale.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: FullMetalGasket on November 04, 2008, 02:31:29 PM +0000
I can post up my Honda setup if you like - only trouble is I have high tyre pressures, zero toe in/out and odd cambers and diff to try and help compensate in the corners so requires some precision to be fast with.

Personally I love this setup in terms of handling, but it does lack slightly in the out right grip department and requires you to steer with the right foot. I'm still happy to post it up when I get home if you like though, will put up the short ratio version, that should help you if you slow a lot for corners and you shouldn't over-rev it down the Masta straight  :)

I tend to change pretty much bang on 12,000rpm here as I worry about extended periods beyond the peak power range. She seems good to 13,000 on most tracks in 1st,2nd and 3rd for short periods (no more than half a second is my own rule), but even 3rd is quite long at Spa  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 04, 2008, 03:29:35 PM +0000
Hard luck Norbert,

You could always drive using just one foot!  ;D

Sure you could do that at Spa.  In the BT7 I only seem to use the brake three times a lap.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: EvilClive on November 04, 2008, 04:14:09 PM +0000
As a driver of the Cooper....please explain this "braking" concept at Spa!!!!!! :-\ ???


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: FullMetalGasket on November 04, 2008, 04:35:31 PM +0000
It's that thing you do involving the other pedal to slow quicker for la source  :P


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: NickyIckx on November 04, 2008, 04:58:35 PM +0000
 :( :( bad luck Norbert ,

what about using auto-brake inside GPL settings ?

will give you a phone call tonight.

stay tuned
Nicky


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: john roberts on November 04, 2008, 07:07:50 PM +0000
Clermont would be a great race in the 65 season .

john


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Jack O'Ferrall on November 04, 2008, 08:21:04 PM +0000
We'll be running two grids tonight so the Amateurs will start later at 2100GMT.

Though beginners might be able to get the 65s round the Ring easier, racing is another matter.  Clermont isn't as difficult to learn, and the graphics are good even if its slightly inaccurate.  It might also be better to concentrate on well-known tracks, however good tracks like Leipzig are to race- I'd prefer Solitude or Hockenheim, though we might want more twisty tracks for balance, where switching Clermont for Rouen helps somewhat.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: happyal on November 04, 2008, 10:20:06 PM +0000
I've added the Novice race report onto this thread

http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?p=3915203#post3915203

Clive, could you please do a nice graph for us :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Samb on November 04, 2008, 10:31:27 PM +0000
A bit of an erratic race for me. The first few laps were good fun with battling Steve but I ran wide at Les Combes and consequently lost a lot of speed. After Steve had passed me Al came steaming in from behind and gave me a good whack. It was partially my fault since if I didn't run wide in the first place the crash wouldn't have happened. I then procceded on the same lap to run wide at Blanchimont which demoted me to 5th. I worked my way up to 2nd again but then ran wide at Blanchimont another two times during the rest of the race!

Steve's terrific consistency won him the race and he was simply the better driver on the day so full congrats to him.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 04, 2008, 10:51:37 PM +0000
I've added the Novice race report onto this thread

http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?p=3915203#post3915203

Clive, could you please do a nice graph for us :)

Done  ;D

Thanks for the report file Alastair.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Steve Busa on November 04, 2008, 11:18:33 PM +0000
My first league race, fantastic!!! Had a PC prob mid race, still enjoyed it!!!, thks to organisers.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: vosblod on November 04, 2008, 11:20:47 PM +0000
If it could go wrong it did go wrong...
Up to today I had got a qually of 3.49 and race time of 3.51 and was feeling pretty pleased and looking forward to some racing...
Then tonight (1) When I got into practice PC crashed and had to reboot and check disk whilst watching qually time expire while I waited (2) Got back in just before race but messed up my only chance to get an OK time (3) Start of race got half a screen and had to fiddle with monitor to get screen back while I could hear everyone driving off (4) In race got constant stuttering/freezing and best I could get was 3.58 (5) Screen went blank and GPL crashed - to be honest this put me out of my misery  :D

My PC has been dying a death for some time and need a new one - until I can get the dosh I'm thinking of using the work laptop for on-line races - couple of questions;
- My broadband connection is 4.2mbps - if I turn off some of the graphics options would this stop any on-line stuttering? (seems to freeze for a second then jump)
- Can I copy my home PC sierra/gpl folder to the laptop or do I need to run the exe files and install GPL and the MODS?

Anyway well done the winners and hopefully will have sorted the PC problems before the next race...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: miner2049er on November 04, 2008, 11:47:56 PM +0000
- My broadband connection is 4.2mbps - if I turn off some of the graphics options would this stop any on-line stuttering? (seems to freeze for a second then jump)

Not an issue. My server that has been hosting practise sessions run on my connection that sits around 3.2 - 4 mbps.

The stuttering problem will be your PC / RAM / Graphics card / Hard drive rather than your connection.

Can I copy my home PC sierra/gpl folder to the laptop or do I need to run the exe files and install GPL and the MODS?

Not sure but I think you need to run the installs than restore your backups. The installs will put in any relevant registry entries etc.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: FullMetalGasket on November 04, 2008, 11:50:43 PM +0000
You'll have to re-install and then copy your driver folder from in the players directory to retain setups ect..
You'll also have to freshly install GEM/Igor and all your tracks and misc other mods like GPLShift if you use it  :)
A 4.2meg connection shouldn't limit your game in anyway. Jumping and freezing is more likely to be a result of your pc's illness.
Try dusting it out with an airline (carefully!) as it may just be heat related.


Happy with my race result - although have no idea how Lorenzo got that qualifying time in a BT7  :notworthy:
Used my rockets to good effect on the start which sent me from 4th to 2nd before Eau Rouge, backed off slightly as I noticed I was in Natans Blind spot on the approach and then spent the next 3 or 4 laps battling to retain my (varying) gap of 2 seconds.
Until I ran wide and had to resort to massive oversteer to save it - this cost me time and broke my rythem which dropped me back to a distance of 7/8 seconds which I held for the rest of the race.
The guys behind seemed perfectly happy to battle amongst themselves so I never had to worry about what was in my mirrors beyond the 2nd lap  ;D

Really good race for me - Congrats to Natan and thanks to everyone else involved  :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: b_1_rd on November 05, 2008, 01:45:31 AM +0000
Wow what a race for me.

Qualifying went well and I get P2 with a 3:40.659, 0.663 behind Sam.

We make a clean start and roar off down to L’Eau Rouge.  I keep station behind Sam driving well just up ahead.

L2. I get a good drive out of Malmédy and get along side of Sam.  We run side by side but I backed down not wanting to cause any incident going into Mastra.  I get a good run through and again pull along side out of Stavelot but this time I was on the outside of the left so again fell in behind Sam.  Al keeping a watching brief behind us.

L3. I stick close to Sam through L’Eau Rouge and into Les Combes.  Sam runs a little wide and gives me a shot at turning tight, I get a better drive out and get ahead on the run down the hill.  I maintain P1 until turning a bit tight into La Carriére, where I had been off a number of times in practice.  I backed off a little to ensure I don’t over correct and visit the house ‘magnets’ which gives Sam a good run and into P1 again in time for Blanchimont.

L4. Al was closing in when Sam went very wide at Les Combes and clips the barrier, he keeps it pointing the right way but has slowed allowing me to get through along the downhill stretch.  Al on full chat closes in but guesses wrong at what Sam might do at slow speed and tags the rear of Sams BRM sending them both into a spin.  Both recover and Al falls in behind Sam to get back up to speed.  A rapidly closing Peter and Steve Busa are now close behind, with Mike not too far back, Graham and Vlad running further back up track.

While all this was going on I opened a bit of a gap and tried to settle in to some consistent driving and watch to see how things develop.

Mike puts a whel on the grass leading up to La Carriére to allow Graham to close right in.  Sam loses control at Blanchimont and allows Al, Peter and Steve Busa through. On the run into La Source Graham brakes a little later than Mike and contacts the back end of Mike’s Honda.  They spin into the hay bails, but both recover and rejoin the race.

L5.  Steve Busa gets good drive up L’Eau Rouge and makes a pass on Peter for P3 by Les Combes, and Sam closes right up again.

I’m looking at the lap counter thinking ‘haven’t we just done this lap’ they aren’t going by quick enough!  I tell myself TAKE IT EASY, DON’T FALL OFF AGAIN!

Close racing continues for P2,3,4 & 5.  Sam grabbing P4 from Peter with a good exit from La Carriére.  Graham takes a spin at Blanchimont to put him well back from Mike, running P6.  Steve Busa holds a defensive line into La Source but runs a wide exit to give Sam a sniff passed the pits and back to P3… or is it!!! 

L6. Steve takes a fast line through the bottom of L’Eau Rouge and they run side by side, the wheels take the slightest of touches and it send Steve into the barrier allowing Peter to gain P4. All settles down for a moment when Al runs a little wide at La Carriére to allow Sam to regain P2 once again.

L7. CONCENTRATE! DON’T DO ANYTHING SILLY, I say to myself over and over.  I break early and am more conservative with the engine RPM, while trying to maintain a comfy lead.  Surely I can do this and not mess up.

Vlad, plagued with technical issues calls it a day.  Al runs wide at Stavelot and spins to the outside allowing Peter to pinch back P3.  Sam then runs wide, too at Blanchimont, but Peter fails to take advantage and also runs wide, but keeps it pointing down track.  This allows Al to catch up fast but the wheels touch as they pass and Al spins, Steve Busa has to make avoiding action and also spins.  Al gets going again quickly just ahead of Steve’s Lotus.

L8.  P1 Steve Bird, P2 Sam Blood, P3 Peter Maestro, P4 Al Baldwin, P5 Steve Busa, P6 Mike James and P7, Graham Poole.

I’ve backed off and run in the 44’s, some 4 seconds off my practice laps, but keep an eye on the gap back to Sam.  Steve Busa is chasing Al but loses the rear at Malmédy allowing Mike and Graham through.

L9.  1 to go.  HOLD IT TOGETHER I’m shouting inside my head!

Mike runs wide at Les Combes but Graham is not close enough to capitalise, in turn Steve Busa is closing Graham down.  Peter, still P3 is being chased by a hard charging Al closing in bit by bit.  Graham is holding off Steve when he disappears in what looks to be a late disco (didn’t deserve that) finishing Graham’s efforts, Steve flies into P6.

Up front I’m a bag of nerves going into La Source, a favourite spinning area for me.  HOLD IT TOGETHER!  I make it gingerly around and get to the line in P1, WOW!!!

Sam still holding P2 takes another spin at Blanchimont but has enough time to recover and get home in front of a charging Peter with Al for close company.  They rush into La Source but stay in position for Peter to take P3.  Mike comes home P5 with Steve Busa’s Lotus completing the finishers in P6.  We learned later that Steve Busa was also having tech issues.

In the end I didn’t do much close combat.  Running relatively slow lap times some 4 seconds off my PB, but it was enough and managed to take the win by 32 seconds.  It seems such a long time in racing but, heck it doesn’t feel anywhere near big enough when you have these guys chasing you down.

Thanks for the race guys.  Hope you all make it to Rouen and we can welcome back Norbert and Asbjeurn too.

I’m off to get a glass of Champers as long as the rest of the ‘Soggies’ don’t get to it first.  :P


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 05, 2008, 08:00:48 AM +0000
- My broadband connection is 4.2mbps - if I turn off some of the graphics options would this stop any on-line stuttering? (seems to freeze for a second then jump)


Sounds like your pc is doing something else at the same time.  I always run EndItAll before a race and it shuts down about ten programmes that are running in the background.  Also, make sure that your virus checker, or anything else, isn't trying to update itself whilst you race.

- Can I copy my home PC sierra/gpl folder to the laptop or do I need to run the exe files and install GPL and the MODS?

Anyway well done the winners and hopefully will have sorted the PC problems before the next race...

As someone else has said.  Do a proper install and then copy your player info over.  You may want to copy your replay folder too.  That will enable analyser to find your best laps at non-papy tracks and will not screw up your times on GPLRank.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: b_1_rd on November 05, 2008, 10:58:48 AM +0000
One thing to look for Vlad, is make sure all your power save options are off.  Follwoing a re-install of windows I had not changed from the default settings, and it was causing no end of problems.

Go to your display properties under screen saver, select power and I suggest you use 'always on'.

Hope it might help.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: happyal on November 05, 2008, 12:17:25 PM +0000
Good fun race for me, I should of done better cause I had really good speed.

Got away well, I had a nice little pocket for myself where I wasn’t under any pressure and settled into the race well. I started to gain a little on the guys in front after the first lap and I was quite happy to take it easy. I think it was the 3rd or 4th lap Sam spun in front of me, I saw him rejoin the circuit and I went to take him on the inside, at this point I thought he was moving back to the inside, after a bit of indecision I went to overtake him on the outside, but I was far too late to change and ended up hitting him hard, spinning him around again. Sorry about that Sam, if I had stuck to my first thought and went for the inside I would off avoided you and not ruined both our races. Need to be more decisive in future races.

After that I got back into a rhythm and rattled off the remaining laps without too much incident, I did make another mistake or two, that’s when Peter got past me. I was catching him fast over the last 2 laps, but ran out of time so ended up forth, which is roughly were I expected to be :)

One thing I noticed after the race when I looked at the lap time in Reply Analyser is that I lost almost all my time in the high speed corners, where other cars drifter around them and I didn’t. I really need to learn how to do this because at the moment my car is setup with a very stable rear and will under steer if pushed rather than slide, or over steer.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: miner2049er on November 05, 2008, 01:25:04 PM +0000
One thing I noticed after the race when I looked at the lap time in Reply Analyser is that I lost almost all my time in the high speed corners, where other cars drifted around them and I didn’t.

That's my problem too.  :(

Great race and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I got away well and pipped Graham into Eau Rouge despite backing right off to keep it clean. Had a little hiccup through Malmedy which upset Graham's rhythm a bit and he fell back a little.

The guys in front were gone from sight and Graham was appearing in my mirrors but I think I surprised him by braking for La Carriere and he lost momentum.

A bit later I got Steve and Al back in my sights as their squabble was slowing them down but at that point Graham had a pop at me going into La Source. I love a man with ambition but I didn't expect that move. I'd like to see a replay but I think I left him enough room.

I didn't see anybody again until some fresh rubber marks going into Malmedy heralded the sight of Steve facing the wrong way which made me smile as I headed for Masta.

I knew if I kept it on track he would not recover enough to catch me, and Graham's spin meant that I could peg that gap too and nurse it home.

Only really troubled the front runners up until the Green Flag dropping but there is a lot to be said for consistency because I was the second most consistent lapper in the race and finished above where I expected to.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Will Tway on November 05, 2008, 02:26:59 PM +0000
Despite not being a big fan of Spa, I throughly enjoyed this race. Hands down the most fun I've ever had at Spa. Loads of dicing going on all over the place. My qually effort was not so good but got through Eau Rouge clean at the start. Appeared JR got a phenomenal start. 
The only problem I had, was several times the entire field just disappeared then would reappear about 7 seconds later. I believe I had an IP conflict but have resolved it. Sorry again if this caused anyone problems. Last lap was very exciting as Lorenzo span at La Source and I just got past and he loomed large in my mirrors the entire last lap. The Honda miraculously held on to 7th. Thanks for the fun. Grats Natan, Tim and Storm. WD

W- 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: NickyIckx on November 05, 2008, 04:15:53 PM +0000
 :D :D :D
Congratulations to the podium ones !!!!

To Steve Bird for  nice win , to Samb being 2nd and to maestro for nice 3rd.

To Natan for outstanding win , to Tim on 2nd and fantastic start and to Storm catching place 3 in the end.

And of course big hand to all taken part.
Special thanks goes to the ones setting up servers.

Did have a very nice qually . new PB.
Race ended unlucky to me .unfortunately even shift R didn’t work , but could left via hammering on Esc.


@Vosblod , as to your PC problems ; I didn’t get what the differences of the troubles are , you got between online and offline.
Does the PC chrash and / or act strange even if your are not online with GPL ?

4.2 meg connection should be fast enough.

To check if  the trouble is maybe heat related , you can check some temps like CPU , GPU etc. via the programm called èverest home `.

Hard to give some diagnostics help from outside.

Regards


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 05, 2008, 04:51:46 PM +0000
Amateur Replay here:-

http://www.planet-venom.co.uk/gpl/

It's a 78Mb job when extracted so better make some room for it!  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: NickyIckx on November 06, 2008, 08:13:06 AM +0000
thx for replay Clive :) :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: vosblod on November 06, 2008, 09:40:24 AM +0000
Hi. Thanks for all the advice - there is an underlying heat issue so added extra fans, defragged and given it a general overhaul. Will also be using Clive's suggestion of running EndItAll.
Will be testing it online before the next race - fingers crossed will be ok


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: FullMetalGasket on November 06, 2008, 10:02:13 AM +0000
If it's a heat issue then I'd also seriously recommend the dusting/airline  :)
If it's dusty then you can have all the fans you want but it'll still overheat.

On that note, if it's an older pc then the thermal paste betwixt the cpu and the heat sink may be breaking down. If you can get hold some decent paste then it may be worth taking the cooler off, cleaning the old paste off, and re-applying some new stuff.
If the cpu runs mega hot then this is normally why  :)

I had this on an old pc - cpu used to run at 65 degrees C when sat on the BIOS screen, would frequently reach 100 when runnning a virus check which used to trigger the reset - cleaned out and replaced the paste and she now idles in windows at about 40 and has yet to reach 60 even under heavy load  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on November 07, 2008, 09:17:02 AM +0000
last time I had this problem it turned out that the BIOS had somehow corrupted itself and changed the clock frequency of the cpu.

It had underclocked itself.  I happened to be looking at the screen when it booted up and noticed that the cpu came up as XP1500, or something like, instead of XP3200+

This fault may be unique to me but it's worth having a look.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: miner2049er on November 07, 2008, 11:37:18 PM +0000
Is there a replay up for the Novice race?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Jack O'Ferrall on November 07, 2008, 11:47:22 PM +0000
There's a link to the replays on the ukgpl.com front page.  The Spa 65 replays have been uploaded here: http://replays.cap35.net/sorted/UKGPL%20S16/ (http://replays.cap35.net/sorted/UKGPL%20S16/)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: miner2049er on November 08, 2008, 08:38:56 AM +0000
D'oh!

Thanks Dave, maybe I should use the front page a bit more.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: Jack O'Ferrall on November 14, 2008, 12:08:19 AM +0000
Unfortunately though the Amateurs race has been moderated, I can't watch the Novices replay, as it crashes when I change from the server car.  Has anyone else got this problem with the replay?

Also, Phil wasn't able to upload the Amateurs East London server replay to our site before Clive replaced it- has anyone got the ability to host it so that he can get a copy?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: miner2049er on November 14, 2008, 09:03:11 AM +0000
Unfortunately though the Amateurs race has been moderated, I can't watch the Novices replay, as it crashes when I change from the server car.  Has anyone else got this problem with the replay?

Also, Phil wasn't able to upload the Amateurs East London server replay to our site before Clive replaced it- has anyone got the ability to host it so that he can get a copy?

Yes, I can. If you have an FTP client I'll set up an FTP account for you.

Anyone downloading it can then grab it from their browser.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65 - Spa (1967) - Nov 4
Post by: miner2049er on November 14, 2008, 09:14:14 AM +0000
Sent you a PM about hosting Dave, and I watched the full Novice replay without issue.

I should have won as everybody else did 10 SHIFT-Rs each.