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NGT Sprint Cup - Season 1, Round 8 at Oschersleben

Date: Tuesday 30th August

Practice 1: 8:45pm (15 mins)
Qual 2: 9:00pm (15 mins)
Warmup: 9:15pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:17pm (30 mins)

Cars allowed: Any NGT car or 911 Bi-Turbo or Mosler or Vertigo or Morgan. (Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M, Porsche GT3 Cup are allowed but will not score points.)

Notes:
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Ahh,
My 3 favorite tracks still to come in NGT sprint.
Don.

I don't have the nightmare commute I was expecting this week now, so won't have to pass on this one :)

Really like Oscher - you can get into a great rhythm on it. And joy! The 911 is faster than the 360 for me here so the love affair continues!
I've a few new lines I'm pleased about but still some way from the fastest here I think with a 1:28.4.

1:29.4 for me and I'm generally stuggling to repeat that pace  >:(.

Looks like I'm the Barrichello to PaulW's Schumacher in the NGT Legends team  ;D

No way hose! Schumacher doesn't run out of fuel or hit tyre barriers or generally tart races up whereas you actually do finish every race you enter Mr uber consistent  :)

Haha! didn't mean it like that, just as a back-handed compliment for your supreme efforts over the last couple of races  :D

Pops.

Replay is up :)

Evil place this, 3 times I spun on the right hander after the double apex left. 2 out of the 3 to let Pops by ;)

Pops and I had a race long battle with never more than 4 secs between us (because of one of my spins) but I think Pops must eat tyres. I'm off to hospital to get my lungs checked out for tyre smoke inhallation :D

Well done to the top 3, I see there were some amazingly close duals that lasted to the end, probably proof it's hard to overtake here.

i'm pooped!!!!

1:32.... couldn't go any faster in that Bi-Turbo thingy :S

You were in the Bi turbo!!!! No wonder I couldn't pull away from you  :)

Phew! My office was super hot and the race just the same!

Bit of a busy qualification session as usual, but I'm starting to enjoy playing the game a bit, making time for myself by dropping back etc I had a couple of aborted laps but ended up with a 1:28.8, 0.4 off my best but not fast enough to beat Sponsored By Ginsters' 1:28.1 anyway so, happy days :)

The race started and I did my usual stiff muppet driving for the first few laps before settling down a little and getting all Madonna (in the groove  ;D). I followed SBG the whole race with him a smidge quicker but me a little more consistent. Some great saves there m8 but yo always stayed ahead and, to be honest, I couldn't figure out how I was going to pass you anyway. About mid way through I started to slide the rears a fair bit and had to back off to avoid sliding out and ruining the race. I think the guys chasing me had had similar probs though because I had  a pretty comfortable 12 second gap at that point.

At the very end a bit of traffic made things interesting. SBG squeezed by but unfortunately the black 360 span out. I saw it spin gracefully across the track and just avoided it. Nothing you could have done and all that and glad you finished.


The race chat, by the same racer again, was really unfortunate. Please read the rules and respect other racers more in future  :(

Qualifying was fun as always at Oschersleben. Short track with not much room to overtake so I had my share of disrupted hotlaps. In the last 6 minutes I managed to get some clean space and that was enough for a pole position.

The race was quite easy for me, driving at about 70% as I didn't want to melt my rear tyres... yes I was driving a Porsche.  ;) I was slowly building my lead and was very carefull at overtaking backmarkers which were very cooperative... very important at this track. In the end I nearly hit a spinning black F360 in front of me so that was a bit of a wake up call.

My win doesn't mean to much as Shark finished second so he is heading for the championship title. I think he deserves it with his constant performance but I'll still fight at the last two races in case he has a missfortune or a moment of stupidity like I had at Anderstorp.

Nice, fair racing guys. Thanks for that and hope I'll see you at one of the toughest track - Estoril. Should be fun!

Sorry about the race chat!: i already did it before i realized i am not supposed to!
Next time i better reconfigure the button to nothing...and i will, lol., I am so used to chatting....
Thing is , i got hit twice,both times  really hard, and the second time (by a rocket?) that made me stuck in the gravel with a fatally wounded car  all in the first race lap!
Its not an excuse...i was just to exited and forgot  the rules about chatting at that moment!
Wont happen again!

Wow!  One of my best ever races :D

Broke into the 1:27's in qual for 2nd on the grid but Shark was incredibly close behind me.  At the start I could hold Shark for a bit but he managed to slip by into the 2nd hairpin.  Chased hard and stayed within 2 seconds all the way, closed up again as we caught a backmarker in an awkward place.  Going into the last lap I was within a second and got close enough to prompt Shark to take a defensive line into the last corner.  Pulled up close and tried to turn inside for a fast exit, just couldn't get the run and finished only 0.1 behind in 3rd!

Awesome race Shark!! :D  Thanks to any and all backmarkers that we lapped, you were all spot-on :)

Glad you saw my saves out there Paul. The way I was all over the place perhaps there was no safe place to overtake me (it maybe a good strategy but it did nothing for my nerves and is probably best avoided  :-[). The morgan is pretty competitive in quali but I can not control her in the race. Knowing you were ready to pounce made it even more tricky and double the fun. The last lap fireworks were great.

More than happy with 5th, and I think our absent team leader will be satisfied with our efforts (good stuff mo).

i have a couple of gripes :

Qualifying... I was on a "hot" one... it may have been 3 secs off the pace, but still a hot one for me, but I still had a couple of really impatient people up my arse that had only just come out of the pits...there is not need for it... really.

Race start.... the back of the grid exited the last turn and the grid began to accelerate.... then suddenly mid field stopped dead...and many of us nearly ran into the cars in front... who the fuck thought they would brake at the s/f line and back everyone up?!?!

Well that was very frustrating. My severe lack of ability to overtake slower cars on this track coupled with a rear ending on the first lap first corner really messed things up for me. I'am thinking of getting a horn installed in my car.
Don

It's also clearly against the rules: "Drivers who are not on a flying lap during a qualifying session shall take all reasonable steps to avoid interfering with drivers who are" (though on the web site I've spelt "interfering" wrong ::) ).

[Edit - removed bit about the start. Will talk about that seperately.]

I guess Woodee is taking over the role of league masochist vacated by [ZiP]Tyf. :D :D

Broke my run of hopeless qualifying efforts to get within 1s of my best time and qualify 10th. Pretty pleased with that. And that was despite the worrying appearance of the 1FPS bug on my first qualifying outlap, haven't had that since I switched the replay off, fingers crossed that was a blip, didn't happen in the race at least.

Started just behind Picnic, and was never more than a few seconds away from him the whole race! Great battle, Picnic just pipped me for 8th which was thoroughly deserved as he was obviously faster, just a couple of mistakes on his part let me through a couple of times, Picnic had the hard bit to to actually overtaking me! One really daft mistake by me let him through for the final time, I managed to hang on his tail for the last few laps desparately trying to get some pressure on but no luck.


Sorry about that Picnic, I prescribe a day or two of bed-rest and a stiff brandy every couple of hours  ;) Bit disappoining I'm still doing that, I've been woring hard on getting smoother  :(

Not my best drive, didn't get a lot of practice in over the Bank Holiday but still satisfied with 9th.

I think that was the closest we've come to finishing in the same order as qualifying (if you see what I mean), not a lot of changes of position. I reckon that means good driving all round ;)

Pops.

Some comments about the pace lap here  and in general over this season.

I've been pretty much in the middle of the pack each time and there's a pattern developed, we're NOT accellerating when the first car crosses the start/finish, we seem to have come to some kind of implicit agreement that we're going to hold position into the first corner.

Not quite sure how this has happened, I think it's just evolved to try to minimise first corner accidents. Certainly on a track like Oscher (and quite probably most tracks), it's a dangerous first corner.

I saw a few cars behind me speed up (quite legitamately), then back-off as they saw what was happening, it was good driving by the guys at the back to react to the situation 'cos it could have been disasterous.

The situation at Oscher was more extreme than the others, but this has happened before. I think we'd probably appreciate some input / guidance from the ADMIN's and more experienced drivers to try to make sure we minimise the risks of an accident.

Cheers, Pops

I noticed this at Enna - there's a very short run from the start line to the first turn and everyone very sensibly held station and didn't try any silly move into turn 1. At tracks where the distance between the start line and turn 1 is large, like Barcelona, we get actual racing down to the first turn. I guess it's common sense at work but perhaps we can tweak the rules a little to help. I'll start a discussion about this in another thread.

In 6th I could see the leader last night and he did the right thing with regards the start i.e. didn't accelerate hard out of the last corner but crept up to just before the start/finish at the correct pace and from my position, about 3/4 down the straight, it looks like the hammer was put down there around the line.

In the mid pack in the past we've always tended to gun it out of the last corner of a given circuit- did that happen last night? Because if it did you'd all have been catching really fast with us still in 2nd gear! Previously I think the leaders have gone a little earlier which has given everyone the space to do this but not last night (correctly IMHO).


I wonder whether, if we took the last few corners at a crawl in first gear, and allowed everyone to bunch right up to each other so everyone can see and get an accurate read on when 'GO' happens it would be better?

I think the situation at Oscher is compounded because the start/finish is 3/4 of the way down a pretty short straight, it seems like it's almost in the wrong place!

I don't think we did gun it (too much at least) in midfield, but you're right, that would explain it. Even a small change in pace and then braking leads to some compression of the field, and the situation gets compounded the further back in the field you get, the more difficult it gets to judge because of the concertina effect so maybe one of those guys can give their perspective.

That's exactly what happens. The problem in the mid of the pack is that the guys do exactly the same as the driver in front of them. If one guy accelerates to early the rest of the pack does the same and that creates the concertina effect. To avoid this from happening pack must be closer together coming into the start finish straight. Double file start could help as well.

Not keen on that idea myself, it would mean that every first corner is contested by every pair of cars. This would greatly increase the chances of accidents IMHO.

Had a good race with Mike W last night.

Qualified 3rd with a time quite a way off my PB as I had some technical issues during qualifying which resulted in my losing complete control of my wheel and by the time I'd recovered physically discovered I was parked in the middle of the track and someone hit me. Very sorry for that, couldn't get to my ESC key quick enough to get off the track, mass fumble as bits fell off everywhere. Recovered just in time in qualifying for another run to take 3rd with Matjaz miles off in the lead as usual.

After some mild confusion off the start line where Matjaz seemed to press the accelerator on the wrong line (very easy to do I wasn't sure either which line to accelerate at) I went when Matjaz did then realised it maybe the wrong line as Mike hadn't gone and I immediately gave back the place into T1 in case I had done something I shouldn't.

After that followed Mike closely knowing I probably just had the legs on him, he made a mistake coming round T1/T2 after a few laps and I went for the gap into the sharp T3 left hander under brakes. Pulled it off and then tried to pull away. Managed to get about 2 seconds on him then hit traffic for virtually the entire rest of the race. When it was clear I pulled maybe 0.1 or 0.2 secs a lap on him but by the end he'd got right up to my tail again. Fortunately I just held him off to take second place and consolodate the championship lead.

I would like to commend all the backmarkers, you were all excellent. It was difficult to pass anywhere at Oschers as there is only really the 1 and a half straights and with like for like cars it's difficult powering past so the backmarkers were quite often generous enough to let people through during corners.

Sorry Proto that was me, the 2nd one, dont know if you braked early or I just missed my braking spot, either way many apologies.

I got caught up in the fracas at the first corner, resulting in me spinning off the track, and starting the race with no other car in sight! Fairly uneventful race (apart from having to take evasive action from a Red 360 who decided to reverse into the middle of the track after a spin, right into my path!), after a dire quali session where I didnt manage to complete one full lap. My own fault though, couldnt keep it on the track. Ended up in 14th thanks to As-Here who span off just before the end  ;)

Cheers

Rob

if everyone accelerated out of the last run, there would be more space for everyone to negociate turn one (i.e the whole pit straight!)...rather than just giving us the little space from the s/f line to the first corner to do it. Plus, you can't really accelerate that much before anyone else out of the turn, if you only go when he goes.

This the rule still is... races are not won at turn 1....only lost :)

Lmao! I may get it again though when it's raining, hehe, else it's all for Woodee! ;) :D

T

did i make a car choice faux pas?

Nah m8. Bernie Lomax and Tyf have shown it's totally competitive in races once you learn it's little idiosyncracies. i.e. it's about as heavy as a dump truck in the corners but the awesome turbos rocket you down the straights. If you like it and fancy being a bit different then it's cool as school.

Troo! ;) :D

T

Hi, rob.., these things happen,besides my car was a bit wounded already,because of the starting confusion discribed above.
At the time it was clear to me u totally missed ur braking point, in the replay however it looked both thing happend at the same time!
(me a bit early and u a bit late)    anyway no problem m8!

[Edited by the society for proper quoting.]