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This will be the second race of a short series designed to test the new GT1 and GT2 cars in a competitive setting.

Practice 1:	20:15	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:25	(15 mins)
Race:	20:40	(40 minutes)	note: no warmup

Cars allowed: Any GT2 from the v2.8.9.1 pack (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519))
It would be good to have a mix of original and add-on cars.
Weather: 50% wet
Track: Hockenheim National
Race Start Time: 14:00.
Pit Stops: None required.

Server: UKGTR Season 8.9
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

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Note the weather...

anyone done any laps here yet for comparison laptimes ?

Its hard to tell if youve got any pace until another time to compare it against  :P

1:32.6 (online) in the slip and slide 997 so far, 40mins fuel, race setup.

It feels like doing one of those ice special stages to me ! constant steering corrections for the over/under steer and throttle dancing ! :w00t:  ...i do wonder if the GP track might have been better just to spread the field a little as contact could be frequent and overtaking a real hazard in the 50% wet  :sweatdrop:

I think the F430 will blitz the 997 here...its so much easier to drive in the wet.  :(

Seat 1.32.2 , Gallardo 1.33.06 , F430:1.32.1
The Gallardo feels fast but is not timewise. Wonder what times the Pros are doing here?

Jan
 

Even with those magical wet weather tweaks you talked about MJ? ;) So its even worse here then ::)

mmm, i have been wondering the same. The F430 'appears' too strong at the present, its very easy to drive quickly...or is it because the 997 was prematurely neutered to appease some voices  ::)

but you also have to remember, that time is set with me driving it !  ;) ...we could gauge it better if some Porsche pros took it for a drive and gave us their views. Hint hint  :)
I spent a couple of hours flinging it around Hock today with all kinds of setup tweaks but couldnt get it any quicker. Its a real handful in the full wet conditions.  :(

ps...dont forget my times are Race spec with 40mins fuel and hard wets. Are the other times posted qually low fuel spec?

The Seat seems one of the better cars here,could do 1.32."s with 65 liter and soft/soft,this will be my car tomorrow(sound suits me fine as well,Gallardo drives me crazy ;D)


Jan

Try the 360 MJ....Even I might be tempted into the porka....its a lot easier here.   :laugh:;)

Soft wets - race ? Hmm, i think the 997 will shred the rears in next to no time. :-\ They didnt last long when i inadvertently picked them at Spa the other night.

Is 50% rain enough water for soft wets ? Will test them later.

Will try the 996 for comparison also as really didnt do enough rain racing with it to know if it is just the 997 thats struggling in the standing water.  :-\  Doing my setups to suit the wet conditions is a whole new learning curve but an interesting challenge....any of you clever race engineer types have any good ideas,please let me know !. Ive read up on a few of my books for pointers but its a fairly vague area.

I hope weather plays a lot stronger element in all our classes of racing, it really adds to the immersion factor.

Well, I won't risk soft wets for 40 minutes in F430. Tried some laps with 3xtyre wear and laptimes went down dramaticaly. So, hard wets for me.  :) 

TT

Just did another 22 laps around here and only gained a lousy 10th  >:(

Getting frustrated pumping laps in without any decent gain in laptime, no matter what i try setup wise. I seem stuck on mid 32-mid 33's  :helpsmilie:

Any reason why the 996 RSR is not available on srouk server and yet the 360GTC is ?  I wanted to do some comparison runs and no point doing it offline as grip levels are always so different to online.  ???

Tried the Panoz in the morning on a quick race setup:

Slick Softs: 1:40.2
Intermediates: 1:36.7
Hard Wets: 1:32.8
Soft Wets: 1:31.5

I think the impression I had in Spa about slicks working well in the wet was just because the track was not too wet despite the consistant rain. Now it is really wet here, 8-9 seconds is the maximum difference, much shorter lap though of course

360GTC was left in as Psuedo asked for it, so Dave only took out the 996.

I can see this being more of a test for us drivers than one for the cars!

I'm well off the pace so will stay at the back out of the way. Soft wets on the front definately though i cant seem to get the front working at all.

I just tried the 997....definately felt that wandering on the straight...very strange ???....however I only did 5 or 6 laps with default setup (wet tyres though lol) and did 1:32:9....same as I have done in the 360....so it isn't particularly slow due to it.

Edited my post with new laptimes. I'm (only?) 8-9 seconds slower on slicks compared to soft wets which are fastest. Don't have too much experience on wet conditions so I can't judge whether that difference in laptime is more/less than normal or just normal :)

Best I could do in the 997 was a 1:35. :o

Looking at the physics files I can only assume it's related to the tyres - the suspension file is copied directly from the 996 (and I suspect is only used for visuals anyway) and the HDC (physics) file doesn't contain anything obviously wierd in terms of suspension, downforce or weight distribution.

Well, that's interesting. I just tried the 996 RSR and now I know what symptoms I'm looking for, it has the same front end wandering phenomenon - less pronounced, for sure, but definitely present. I assume it's related to the Porka's ridiculous weight distribution :P and the 997's greater mass and power have simply served to emphasized it.

right....after 3 weeks playing Fallout 3 i need to do some driving! just downloading the car pack now!  :D

hope the 997 is still competitve dave  >:( hehe

Thats just that special porsche handling Dave ;D

Just need to chuck a couple bags of sand in the boot (bonnet?!) to make it work right......similar to what you have to do with its brother...the VW Beetle  ;)

well one thing i've learnt from experienced 911 drivers is to get the front end tucked in by turning-in on the brakes, keeps the weight on the front and steer out on the throttle...

sorry i know most ppl know this but to the newcomers it helps hugely in wet condition!  ;)

Computer crashed after a half decent quali PB 8) with minutes to go :o

Then missed the race by seconds as I tried to get back in ::)

Hope you all had a great race :)

Well I didn't lol

Qually was ok getting 6th....7 different cars in the top 7 places in qually.  ;D

Race was going ok but unfortunately I had forgotten to replace my soft rear qually tyres for the race and they started overheating afyter the first few laps. Lost a couple of places running wide then did the same again next lap....only this time a very lightly hit the wall....engine died  ???

Ah well, next time

Grats to winners/podium/finishers

argggggggg not again!!! Computer froze and got a blue screen once again!

I had done a nice quali lap with a 1:30.5 and kept the lead till I ran wide at the entry of the stadium. Was 4th, then 3rd when FreQ spun and retired. I was trying to follow TT just ahead of me and keeping an eye on Brian just behind me. Was having good fun in the wet. Damn!!!

PS: If anyone can help me on how to solve my problem here's the details explained in the blue screen.

It says there may be a problem with file "nv4_disp" and then there was this line:

*** STOP: 0x000000EA (0x86DE07A0, 0x86E22F60, 0xF79D7CB4, 0x00000001)

 ::)

My lack of GTR2 action showed badly.

Jumped on with only minutes to go before start.

The car was new, the track was tricky, not a good combination.

Struggled badly and make too many mistakes, the car felt really different after all these weeks playing iracing.

I could not work out where to brake with the spray and lack of practice.

It's also the first time I've played GTR2 since getting my new 5.1 speakers and to be honest not sure if it was them or not, I could not work out where anyone was in relation to me.
I thought at times someone was on my tail only to see the next car was a good bit back.

After dropping back about 7 seconds I managed a few clear laps and the distance between me and leader came down to 5.5secs.

I then lost it and hit the barrier and was stuck for a while. Lost a few positions and damaged the car but carried on.

I had a little door rub with Psuedo. Not sure if it was me or not at blame for turning in too early? I never thought you were close enough next second you were there. Sorry if it was me.

Grats to Dan on a fine performance.

Jeez i must be the unluckiest sim racer known to man  :laugh:

Fired up the pc at 8.10 ready for the event only to find no internet or email  >:( phoned ISP, who said yep their DNS servers had gone belly up and would take 20mins to fix roughly  :taz:

So missed all praccy and most of qually...again. Turned up in a real tizz and fighting the clock to set a quick time only to outbrake myself on both my only flying laps...aaarrghh.  :'(

Was doing 1:31's in qually spec on srouk server earlier so was confident of a high grid slot, but not to be.

Then warmup lap, i move to the side of car in front onto the pit exit and the surface is just like oiled ice !...car flicked left/right and into the wall, smashing my lights and giving me aero damage before a lap is done !  :wetfish:

Dropped to back of grid for 2nd race in a row  ::)

Then fought my way back up through the grid to get to 6th within about 10minutes or so and seemingly flying with my decent (or so i thought) wet race setup sorted and closing on Brian in 5th. But then i got one of those corner exit power oversteers straight into the blinking wall  :surrender: , lost about 12 secs or so and a place. Then a short while later i did the exact same thing and now my aero was severely mullered and rears were showing 20+ wear rate and rapidly turning to slicks despite no overheating temps  ???
For last 10 mins or so i was just losing 1-3 secs a lap as car was a complete slippery hand full with those over worn rears.
Finished 7th i think, so not bad considering my traumas but should have been better based on my practise pace.
Gawd know how i can get a set of hard wets to survive 40mins.  :-\

Great win Dan and well done TT.  :thumbup1:

Replay and provisional results available

not bad race for me

Car felt good and was enjoying myself when the game swithed to the Desktop while I was in the main straight.  ???

Lost 3rd place because of that then ran out of fuel on the last lap.  ::)

The lambo felt really good to me in the wet, I really enjoy driving it, very stable and it didn't give me any nasty suprises.

RM

Surprisingly that wasnt as bad as i thought it was going to be :) Dont know where the 33something came from in qually had been in the 35's uptil now. Then after watching MJ go off on the pace lap(!) Just tried to keep it going until the notice saying Pseudo had left the game which meant i wasnt looking where i was going and missed the corner and ended up in the gravel ::) That was after letting Mark through as I think i blocked you a bit earlier and i thought i'd watch the master at work ;) oh well ;D

No probs Brian....You braked a little earlier than me and I overcooked it on the pedal a little and got a lock up...no damage to you  I hope, wasn't even sure there had been a touch from my view at the time.
It led to a great little scrap with RM though for a few corners.....that was fun.  ;)

Yeah i noticed this, when i was going down towards the Double apex right at the end of the straight where the track bares to the left before you brake, i was turning right as if the car was over steering but it wasnt , really weird feeling...must before the weight distribution .

Good race.. got the car feeling really good with a few hours messing with settings.  Tyres were still brand new at the end.

was that offline and in qual setup ? Makes a big difference to online.  I was doing 1:31's in qual mode and 1:32s and 33s race setup on the srouk server earlier today and finally felt that i had got a decent wet setup together for the 997. I am more worried about the rear tyre wear now (unless this track is particularly hard on the rears..which i think it is) as having both rears on 20+ wear was like driving on sheet ice in last half of race.


Please pray tell how you managed that?  :helpsmilie:

I had absolutely no problem with the 'wandering feel' here. Didnt notice it anywhere so am pretty sure setup sorts it. I had -50 front toe, +40 rear toe. Try it for yourself. I found the default setup emphasises the wandering for some reason.

Rubbish!  :angel:

I'm hoping I learn how to drive in the wet again fairly soon. This is embarrassing  :-[

Nvidia display driver crash, you must be running XP or 2000 to get a blue screen.  :)

Try installing latest official drivers for your graphics card, or if you have already, uninstalling them, rebooting and then installing them again.

Have you recently changed your graphics card or any components in your system?

Thanks for answering Simon :)

Yes, I changed my rubbish graphics card for a better one (8600GT) like 6 months ago and since then I've had this problem several times, maybe around 15 times. I'm running XP btw

Another guy also suggested me to uninstall my drivers, then eliminate a file called nvdisps.dll and install latest official drivers, and I did this last Sunday night, thats 2 days ago. Is there any difference to what you are suggesting me to do? I don't know what "rebooting" exactly means ;D

No, that was online and race fuel....infact, just default setup.

For some reason this race was a lot harder for me than 80 min at Spa. ???  It was a storm at Spa but for some reason the car was a lot easier to control there than at Hockenheim.
Qualified 4th, was about one sec slower than my pb while testing. Race was ok-ish, was mostly careful not to go off, so the others could. :D  All did, except Dan, he was unreachable. Great stuff, Dan, very stable. 8) Last 10,15 minutes were hectic. I was getting slower, Jan was getting faster - seems like Seat is quite good in the wet. :)  Two more laps and he would pass, I don't think I could hold him back. I had hards, while Jan said he had softs. Mine were towards 12 front, so if I had softs it would be even worse.  :-\

Tough race. Will be even harder with new GT1s - in the wet they're all :sweatdrop:

Too bad you didn't start counting points towards he mini Championship from Dubai on, DG.  ;)

TT

I think the wet suits me,second at Spa in F430,now third at Hockenheim in the Seat ( well 4th if Busi did not get his CTD)
Was driving on softwets and they felt fine the whole race.Did not look at the wear cause when i do that i normally get anxious and make mistakes, twas fun to close in on a (semi|)-alien like TT.
Maybe  the Toledo will be my car for next season,anyone has a nice skin for me?
Next races will be GT1 so i move over to the backfield again ;) ;)

Jan

great job Jan...your obviously a rain-meister on the quiet  ;)

Thats what i like about having more real world weather in all our race series, it mixes up the field, throws in some variables and just adds to the racing experience imo.  8) Not tried any GT1s in the wet yet  :o

To Pseudo, if you did a 1:32.9 straight off with default setup and race fuel online in the 997 then i must just suck in the wet in it, because it took me a fair while and lots of tweaking to get into the 32's.  :(  Though must admit before this new pre-season racing came along i think i could count my wet racing experience on one hand if i cut three fingers off  :P

Like he said.  :)

TT

What was your previous graphics card? Nvidia or ATI?
If it was Nvidia then what is your PSU as it may be that it just doesn't have enough juice.

Yes I had an nVIDIA graphics card before the new one. A GeForce 6100 lol

Now where do I have to go to see the PSU? I have zero idea on this :-[

(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8223/dibujoyc0.th.jpg) (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dibujoyc0.jpg)

The 8600GT is pretty low on power consumption, I have 2 of them SLId up with a AMD 6000+ running solidly on a 450W power supply.  I doubt the 8600 is using that much more (20W?) than the 6100.

You'd need to open up the case and have a look at any labels on the PSU to see what wattage it is.

They're a bit choosey on drivers, the 8600GTs.  I know, I dl'd the latest NVIDIA drivers 6 months back and my system instantly crashed, loads of fiddling around and I found the drivers worked with one of the cards but crashed on the other, which is identical spec but different manufacturer with different BIOS.

I'm running the 178.24 drivers Busi, no problems at all, try them if you aren't already using them.

Looks like your GeForce 6100 is on the motherboard? Is it disabled? If it is and it's not disabled I would disable it in your BIOS.

You might not need to open your PC to look at the PSU, as it might say on the back if that's exposed. Have a look anyway.