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This will be the fourth race of a short series designed to test the new GT1 and GT2 cars in a competitive setting.

Practice 1:	20:15	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:25	(15 mins)
Race:	20:40	(40 minutes)	note: no warmup

Cars allowed: Any GT1 from the v2.8.9.1 pack (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519))
It would be good to have a mix of original and add-on cars.
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: UKGTR Donington GP 2004 (download as part of the UKGTR Track Pack v1.2 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519))
Race Start Time: 14:00.
Pit Stops: None required.

Server: UKGTR Season 8.9
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:

• Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter rolling starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
• You will not be able to join the server without v2.8.9.1 of the UKGTR car pack and v1.2 of the Track pack (see download links above).
  You will not see skins correctly without the optional, matching GT1 skins pack.
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• Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).

Gonna take out the Aston for this :)

Me2 DB9. Guys whats the news from the skinfront,in particular for the new cars.?
Is there a skinpack coming for the new cars or do you have to make them yourself,in any case are there volunteers to help Dutch Turtles
with this ?

Jan

Lambo race laptimes: consistant high 25's
Best Marcos race laptime: low 27

For sure it won't be me driving the undrivable ;D

With Jeff on track looks like I'll have to take my Lambo if I don't wanna be lapped lol

If it rained at Oschers while the weather was overcast, it will surely rain at Doni.  ;D

TT

Saleen as usual. 32's with 50% wet conditions.

Jeff could you post a hotlap and setup, :angel:

cheers,

Jan

not sure what to try here, will decide later lol

Dave

jeesh, these GT1's are just as much a handful with a (what i presume is) a decent wet setup as they are in a dry configuration.  :(

Any setup tips for these monsters in the wet ?  Im using 3rd and 4th in the corner exits for traction and have bumped my power diff up to 70%, Coast 60% for extra traction.

I take it softer anti-roll bars and springs is the way to go? Have dropped them a little.

1:34.054 so far qually fuel. Soft wets in 50% rain.

Less camber seems to help....and reduce brake pressure.

I also reduce sensitivity of throttle too

Yes, no problem :). Will need to create something first :D.

Why is everybody practicing in 50% wet? At Oschersleben I drove with a dry setup, extremely stiff and low and it was tricky, but still quick.

Softer, higher and wets are my tips :P

Because Donington is in the UK.  ;) surely you must realise why after living here for a while.  :laugh:

Not that I will be making this race, does it really make that much of a difference making a wet setup in case of rain or does it cost you too much if it stays dry and doesn't give much advantage if it rains?

Depends on your dry setup. When your dry setup is already very stable it will work just fine in the wet. I already have an oversteering dry setup, which could make that setup in the wet impossible to handle. However, I never make drastic changes to my dry setup. It's oversteery, but it's a very predictable oversteer, and it doesn't snap away.

Here is my TT and setup. Not a perfect lap as I got annoyed by my ghost letting the racing line disappear  :-\ :

1:24.087 (http://files.filefront.com/Doningtonrar/;12664671;/fileinfo.html)

1:24 !!?  :o is that a typo?...please tell me it is  :-[  :laugh:

i'm close then...only 10 seconds a lap to find  :-X

I found my dry setup pretty good under the wet circumstances at Oschers but the low wing was painful and the grunt of the engine in anything less than 3rd gear wanted to spit me off into the verges. Theres a lot of horses to contain  :P
Just sheer lack of wet weather sim-driving experience mostly thats costing me at moment. Should be used to it driving in the UK  ;D

that will be dry setup I imagine Ruskus?

Thx Jeff.

Jan

Nope, no typo
























Just a dry lap ;D

Just been on the server for a while....qually session 2, totally flooded track...the lightening was quite nice to watch though.

Just crept into the 1:33's

Tried the Aston, love it! And it's a bit faster than the Lambo (1:25.6 my best laptime on race trim). I guess I'll take it tomorrow ;D

1:33's best laps in 50% rain, full wet.  1:34s/35s race pace in same conditions..when i can stay on the track  :P

1:27.1 best race spec dry lap using my wet setup.

Prob 25/26 dry qual times, not tried any yet.

I assume we would only be using 'changeable weather' for enduros,  and sprints would either be wet or dry ? Or is the plan to use it for both? Just thinking 40min sprints are a bit short for tyre strategies and pitstops  :-\

Sprints would be awesome with those changes. What do you do, try and finish or make a quick stop and try to fight back. The perfect receipe to spice things up and to mix things around :).

I think we should stick with the Season 8 plan, just extending the 'random but fixed' conditions to both Sprints, and retaining fully random changeable in Endurance. Caveat not knowing exactly what structure Season 9 will actually use yet. :D

i think that would be great fun, cos i always wait just that extra little bit to see how the weather pans out, i'm usually wrong and end up pitting later than i should but thats the fun of it.

anyways,i practice a lot with rain conditions.

Dave

Seconded! :)

I'm not sure what happened tonight.

Disconnect during practice....restarted my computer but was unable to get back in for some reason.  :(

I must apologise to everyone I clobbered on lap 1 - I'd done no practice at all on race fuel or medium tyres and I massively overestimated how much grip I would have and slid all over the place, putting David Milne off and then most likely causing havoc as I let most of the field back past in order to try and slot myself in behind him.

After that I drove okayish and made my way back up to about 8th behind MJ's 'Vette. The Aston seems very sensitive to tyre condition - it went through a really nasty loose phase just as I caught Jorgen (looked like he was having the same thing!) and then came back, only to go into horrid understeer as both ends passed through 10 on the xPD thing.

what happened to the blinking rain then ?....27 degrees in donington tonight in december !  :laugh:

totally wrong footed all my prep, not to mention wasting my time rain practise  ::) , and even on grid at race start i took one look at the dark sky and swapped my dry race setup for my 'compromise' dry/wet setup only for it to get hotter and hotter in the race to the point where i had to keep short shifting to stop my engine overheating. :taz:

Had a great race, stayed in formation with Martin ahead and spanner or Lagowsky? a few secs behind. No matter what i tried i couldnt close on Martin for lap after lap but eventually i started to whittle away a few tenths each lap until the gap came down to 1-2 seconds and the last 5-10 minutes were total concentration on trying to close that small gap and/or get past him.
Brilliant last few laps with us bumper to bumper in some corners, all good clean racing and Martin kept his butt suitably wide in the final few corners as i sought a way past, ending with almost a photo finish...superb !   :thumbup1:

Sorry to Matt? who i clipped early on in race at mid corner at copse  :-[ , you seemed to brake or pause mid turn and i had no way of avoiding your rear, apologies.

Was disapointed it didnt rain later in race to spice it up.  :(  but great racing all the same. Nice car spread too.  8)

I've had same issues for the last three races, off line the sim is fine, jump onto UKGTR Server and I crash at least once 'black screen with the sound file blarring out constantly' any ideas anyone, is it this new GTR pack 2891? I don't normally get these type of issues.

Great race, really enjoyed myself, 11th position from 18th quali.....  8)

Bad gamble. Saw the clouds and went "it's going to rain!". So stuck my wet setup on and put on soft slicks. Failed miserably, then I got a couple of stop goes as my mind wandered and thought I shud call it a day.

Another greaqt nights racing.

Few 10ths off my pb in qually...started 6th.

Appollogies to Dan for the love tap on the warm up lap....I must have had a moments lag (either tinternet or brain) as 1 moment you were well in front, the next  ??? ::)
Bit lonely most of the race....Dan and the aliens (new band name?) were steadily pulling away to 8/9 sec up and I was pulling the same gap to API behind. Made a place passing FreQ in the pits...(stop n go?) then another as Dan's engine gave way in a thick plume of black smoke.

I think everyone was taken a bit by suprise by the 'Bondai beach' temperatures....I think I will cancel next years Teneriffe trip and go Castle Donington instead....it's warmer  :laugh:

Grats to the Aliens up front.

Thanks MJ.
Glad you enjoyed it as much as I did.
Didn't look back so didn't know it was you!
Otherwise my nerve may not have held!  ;)
Saw the 40mins run out and thought the flag was gonna come out a lap earlier so had to regroup
and get my big butt out!  ;D
Glad you thought I fought fairly! it was very close, so difficult trying not to run wide at all
and then get on the power just that bit earlier than you!
Wow that was  close.
Shame there was no rain! Sounds like we all did loads of work on that!
but have to say I really enjoyed it. It's great for me to be a bit more competitive in the dry!

Thanks everybody

M.

Any admins tuned in? Any chance of the GTL practice server? Please, please,please!?
will buy you a beer?

It will be back...dont panic..... :laugh:

we turn it off when running a race on GTR2 to save any possible issues.

it will be back when the results appear for this race

Awesome!!! ;D

Qualified 2nd after Jeff took pole with a very impressive laptime, I couldn't answer to that 1:24.3 really :)

Race start, I guess I had warmed tyres a bit more than Jeff and was attacking him hard, but never had a clear opportunity to try an overtake. Too consistant ;D

With 15 minutes into the race I thought he was soon gonna start his attack on pace but surprisingly I could keep myself less than 1 second behind him for the entire race. I even tried some different lines to bother him but I only found myself nearly losing it in the last corner as I tried to avoid him, luckily I did the whole hairpin drifting and kept the distance ;D

However in the last 3 laps my rears were starting to give up and I was having to correct the oversteer at the exit of the slow corners. But managed to finish less than a sec behind ;D brilliant race Jeff really enjoyed that :)

Thank you buddy! :)

No worries Mark, I seemed to be doing quite different lines and stuff than most people  :scared:
that right hander at the top of the hill seems a weak spot for me.
Got spun again by Dave? exiting the hairpin when I got wobbly under power, and the following car
had nowhere to go.
I had a few good laps racing people, tried to get out of the way of the leaders as safely as I could
mostly stayed on the track, that'll do for a start.

i may as well give up lol

i was doing 1:26's all day in mc12,then come the night ,i could barely manage a 1:29.

to cap it all i was getting pretty erratic fps hits for some reason. no idea at all why.

i thought i would give the viper a run as i did quite well it the aps league races,but it wasn't to be,as i realised all my good set-upsare on the other profile.doh!!!!!

Dave

Replay and provisional results posted

Is Monza part of this mini championship or is it concluded?  :)

TT

Seems it is not over yet TT.

But its over for you though....congrats on the mini series win.  ;)

Monza will be non-championship (ie. non-scoring but permanently recorded) - otherwise everyone will take GT1s in order to score more points. ;)

Yeah, just as I was looking for a good exit to try and pass into Goddards you suddenly turned across my nose - I don't think I caused the spin, though I may have reversed its direction... :laugh: :angel:

Decided to take the dry setup, which was suitably stable in wet as well, though a bit slower. Tried to stay in touch with the 3 aliens in front and succeeded, more or less. I even saw Rusky's and Busi's cars for 20 whole minutes.  :P  Freq was having problems, small mistakes were piling up and enabled me to stay close and then closer. When he quit I had but to stay on track, as Dan was having a bad night. What happened Dan? You were comparably faster in training sessions.
Was abusing Ford a bit and engine started to complain through numbers. Had to slow down a bit, fuel usage was a bit higher as well and I short-shifted for the last 10 minutes.

TT

I was convinced it was going to rain here for at least the majority of the race & so hadn't done a single dry lap till the prerace practice session. I was blatantly slow with my wet setup in the dry, so stiffened & lowered everything during qually, which brought me more in-line with my usual grid placing (i.e 2nd last row of grid ;D).

Getting ready to join the grid, I checked the weather forecast. Hot & sunny with more sun on the way!!!
I was still very very tempted to start with hard wets till "10 secs to join the grid", knowing that all weather forecasts are total carp. But decided to stick with original wet setup + soft slicks.

As the temperature climbed to what we can only dream of at the height of our English summers, my softs were slowly melting. Managed to get to the end without incident (except a little paint swapping with Dave(?) in the middle there somewhere :)).

NOTE - Oh yeah, was going to ask if there was a reason for such a swing in car numbers from C6r to DBR9 here? I didn't get to test the DBR9 & wondered if I was missing out on something?

The joy of changeable weather.  :D

TT

Good fun evening.

It already started with an interesting qually, as 6 people spun infront of me while I was attempting my timed laps ;D . Only my last 2 laps were clean for me and got pole. At some point I was only 0:00.001 slower than Busi with only 5 minutes to go :).

Race was always very close, Busi within 1s and usually only around 0,5s. The lack of Lambo top speed saved me from an outbrake attempt, but I had to be very carefull, as any loss in momentum would have gotten Busi past.
Great race Busi! :D

I thought the weather was quite odd. Mid december in the UK and 27 degrees :lol:. How can the weather generator get that from the weather website? :P

My TT lap and setup was downloaded 14 times  :o. Did anybody find it usefull?

Yes buddy!
Only downloaded it at the last minute and used in quali to good effect!

I would never however had time to refine it for the race ( as we were all expecting rain! )
so I used my own set up for that.
Very hard set up but it works beautifully!
Would be interested how you would refine it for a dry race?
Coast seemed very low! Any reason why? Just your driving style?

Always keen to learn from the Master!  ;)

M.

Wise decision :D

I think it's an error in the GTR2 physics that setting up the suspension so hard works best. I didn't invent it, I just used it from the real master (Huttu :))

I think you mean wet race? I hardly change a thing, but more wing, change tyre pressures and maybe soften ARB en susp, but that's it. Changing it too much just ruins the balance.

That makes the car steer in very quickly. I don't notice any downsides from having it so low, as I throttle during braking to keep the back end under control.

yep...I was one of them.  ::)

Trouble is, you say to yourself...'oh carp, it's Ruskus behind me' and....off you go  :laugh:

I dl'ed the tt lap too....just to see if my lines differed greatly....but no...just my abillity.

Thanks Martin, you just had to ask... oh you meant Ruskus  ;D

Trouble is Psuedo, I get that with all 20 other drivers, not just Ruskus!  ;)

I seem to get a yawing motion with low coast!?
Holding a little throttle stops that!?
I seem to get it mid corner? or at least just after I get the initial turn in?

?

As far as I can tell, low coast gives lift off oversteer. You can use that midway by lifting off and getting the nose in the right direction, followed by flooring it.
Low coast can make the car unstable under braking, which can be prevented by holding a bit of throttle :).

Yeah Jeff the diff settings felt good  ;)

Just seen the replay and must also apologise to JPS as well as David Milne. I thought I was braking very conservatively for the Foggy Esses but despite taking to the grass in avoidance still managed to tag you and turn you round. :-[

No worries Gizmo, I figured you must of had some sort of brake fade (wet setup with dry tyres) when I felt the knock, decided not to report it, figured it was just one of those things....didn't seem reckless or intentional.