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Title: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 12, 2009, 04:39:51 PM +0000
An extension of Season 8.9 to test the new GTC cars against the existing cars and each other.

Practice 1:20:15(10 mins)
Qual 2:20:25(15 mins)
Race:20:40(40 minutes)note: no warmup

Cars allowed: Any GTC from the v2.8.9.2 pack (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg76901#msg76901))
Weather: dry
Track: Barcelona (National)
In-Game Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: No mandatory pit stops.

Server: UKGTR 8.9
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
  • Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
  • You will not be able to join the server without v2.8.9.2 of the UKGTR car pack (see download link above).
    You will not see skins correctly without the optional, matching GTC skins pack.
  • Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
  • Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: spanner on January 12, 2009, 06:35:48 PM +0000
Server password hasnt been reset, it is still the race password.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: picnic on January 12, 2009, 06:49:46 PM +0000
Reset, thanks for point that out  :-[


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Mark J on January 12, 2009, 08:18:54 PM +0000
aww jeez i hate this crappy layout with a passion  >:( Cant we run the GP track? This ones a gimmick in the infield section.

Think i may abstain from this one, will see.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: spanner on January 12, 2009, 08:23:11 PM +0000
I dont know how you've driven that Aston Dave. It feels very strange, stiff and soft at the same time and even though the tyre temps are up it seems to loose grip easily. Tried the Exige but had change the setup drastically to introduce a bit of understeer so it didn't throw me off all the time. Only one lap in the Vertigo but that thing will be quick, straight in the 12's.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Legzy on January 12, 2009, 09:28:22 PM +0000
Have managed to get down to 1:10.8 now... trying to keep up with SBG  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: lazlow on January 13, 2009, 10:37:51 AM +0000
Well I think I'll be driving the Beamer again...tried the Aston, Spyker & Morgan and the only one I could get on with (just about!) was the Morgan, but it still doesn't come close to the Z4 in terms of handling or grip when canning it around the track.

So far I've managed to do a 1:08.9 in quali trim...not sure I'll be able to get anything more out of it though.

It would be interesting to know what everyone else's times are?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Legzy on January 13, 2009, 11:04:19 AM +0000
the only one I could get on with (just about!) was the Morgan, but it still doesn't come close to the Z4 in terms of handling or grip when canning it around the track.
So far I've managed to do a 1:08.9 in quali trim...not sure I'll be able to get anything more out of it though.

Obviously take what car you want, but with this being a fun race... Why not leave the Z4 for your much slower team mate (that would be me ;D)
If grip is what you're after, have you tried the F430? That's pretty good too.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 13, 2009, 11:31:25 AM +0000
It would be good to see the faster drivers in the slower cars and vice versa.

(No, don't ask me what I'm doing in the Aston! :laugh:)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: ginsters sponsored on January 13, 2009, 08:16:34 PM +0000
Really enjoyed pracci for this but somethings up with my connection and its not worth trying to race. Really frustrated that I keep getting "connection lost" message with no lag and a seemingly solid connection. Just keep getting kicked to lobby where alls well again ???

News cars are very good though :) Even with a quick go, got the 430 around a half a second quicker than Spyker but it may be the choice for me. Shaping up nicely.

Have fun :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Tibernius on January 13, 2009, 08:38:45 PM +0000
Really frustrated that I keep getting "connection lost" message with no lag and a seemingly solid connection. Just keep getting kicked to lobby where alls well again ???

Which ISP? Because that sounds a lot like what's happening to me. :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: ginsters sponsored on January 13, 2009, 08:43:53 PM +0000
Good old Tiscali. As I say, I really think my connections ok as I can dl files ok, race Race, NK and GPL all ok. Wish it twas as simple as that :'( However I am using a wireless connection, and have done for 18 months or so with no grief, so will try Ethernet connection instead morrow.

Its ruddy annoying though aint it Tibs >:(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Tibernius on January 13, 2009, 08:45:59 PM +0000
Tiscali here as well, wired though. Everything's fine apart from GTR2. :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Mark J on January 13, 2009, 08:56:46 PM +0000
well that was short and definitely not sweet  :(

Stoopid track configuration is always an incident waiting to happen, confirmed by the amount of cars spinning getting tagged. ::)

Span trying to avoid the mess down at T1 where two other cars were stranded, then got my wheel sheered off by Daves Aston as he came through. End of race for me.

Highlight was 3 abreast down the s/f straight with DG and Prof, got a slight hit on the rear from Prof? but kept hold of it to get through T1 first  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: picnic on January 13, 2009, 09:14:31 PM +0000
Darn PC decided to crash  >:( Think legzy was all over me at the time, I hope I didn't cause you any grief!

Twas much more fun tonight, back in the old TVR and at least that is sort of competitive against most things other than the Z4.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Prof on January 13, 2009, 09:48:18 PM +0000
Highlight was 3 abreast down the s/f straight with DG and Prof, got a slight hit on the rear from Prof? but kept hold of it to get through T1 first  :)

I wasn't fast enough to hit anything on the straight just watched everything fly past. Just to check I tried a lap in the Z4 after the race with same fuel and tyres and did 3.3s faster than anything in the race first lap up.

The Vertislow is a Vertis-still-slow and not even as nice to handle as the old one. It will not get close to the faster cars unless Jeff or someone is driving.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Busi on January 13, 2009, 09:54:18 PM +0000
The Vertislow is a Vertis-still-slow and not even as nice to handle as the old one. It will not get close to the faster cars unless Jeff or someone is driving.
I like it though, having a slow car but at the same time quite good on corners is great fun.


My race was all about trying overtakes with a car I had never driven I think lol so I did it good enough, up to 4th and about to catch Michael Sunny for a podium position. I had done too many mistakes though and lost too much time to catch him. Maybe 1-2 more laps... :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: picnic on January 13, 2009, 10:01:19 PM +0000
Replay and provisional results posted


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: phspok on January 13, 2009, 10:38:44 PM +0000
Crap result for me but most excellent fun. 1st half was great, played yoyo with the twin brothers JPV and JPS in there
matching red beetles. (Some sort of Finnish/American twinning?) they would catch, then I would pull away a bit
they were swapping places occasionally, stayed wide for Busi after being an unpredictable mobile chicane
to him for a lap or two, same for Colin who despatched the Porche brothers and came zooming up behind me
so quickly I assumed he was trying to lap! either way I would rather a much faster car is in front than
worrying my hind quarters when I'm in a wayward tank. second half was less fun, tyres were shot
particularly rears, was having trouble staying on the track nevermind racing, went wide into caixa (sp?)
JPS? nipped through, I stayed right to aviod any unpleasantness, and Nsfast tried his luck round the outside
into the next right hander, I kept as tight as the growling monster would allow, not sure if we touched
or he just lost it? a succesfull pass was unlikely in any event.
Probly should have taken something lighter like the Moggy, that Viper tears up the tyres big styley on a twisty
track like that (which I'd never driven before..)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 13, 2009, 10:45:08 PM +0000
Span trying to avoid the mess down at T1 where two other cars were stranded, then got my wheel sheered off by Daves Aston as he came through. End of race for me.

Ended my race too - Picnic had called "spun cars in T1" over TeamSpeak and I was so busy avoiding Steve and nsfast that by the time I noticed you there too I had no room left to play with. :-[ Busted my suspension - I was so far off the pace that there was no point spending two laps in the pits getting repaired and then tooling round at the back.

Highlight was 3 abreast down the s/f straight with DG and Prof, got a slight hit on the rear from Prof? but kept hold of it to get through T1 first  :)

Heh heh, that was rather exciting wasn't it. ;D The Aston pulls well enough out of the corners but just runs out of puff half way down the straights - those Porkers were all flying past me like I was standing still. :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 13, 2009, 10:48:20 PM +0000
Good old Tiscali. As I say, I really think my connections ok as I can dl files ok, race Race, NK and GPL all ok. Wish it twas as simple as that :'( However I am using a wireless connection, and have done for 18 months or so with no grief, so will try Ethernet connection instead morrow.

Good old Tiscali and their "we're not traffic shaping, honest". Course they are - that's why I dumped Nildram.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Mark J on January 14, 2009, 08:00:06 AM +0000
We need a wet race now really to check all is well with these cars in the rain. How about a monsoon in Zhuhai?  :)

The Z4s are still the car to beat, followed by the Fezzas. Though i wouldnt change the latter for fear of handicapping them too much. Ive had good battles with them in the few races so far. The Z's do appear faster than all, with 4 out of top 5 qually slots taken by them again and 3 out of top 5 race finishes. I dont mind there being one quickest car personally as i am not a fan of this performance equalising, though i understand why its done, but i wouldnt want to suddenly find grids full of Z4s just because its a race winner.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Steve Holmes on January 14, 2009, 10:04:06 AM +0000
Big apologies to nsfast for hitting his rear.  That first corner is a real problem because of the very different lines you can take through it, either go in fast and scrub speed off on the outside then take a late apex, or brake earlier and follow the kerb more.

After being very conservative in the first few laps as it was very tight (mistakes up ahead, slam on the brakes, and lose a place to MJ :o) I decided to up the pace and take my preferred high speed entry into T1, unfortunately that lap nsfast took an early and slow entry and I was surprised by how much we closed up, panicked and locked wheels which of course led to contact.  Should have been plenty of space for my later braking but I was caught out by nsfast's slower turn in.  My misjudgment.

Trashed both our races. Very sorry.

Then managed to hold up Lazlow as he lapped me by getting lairy on the kerb exiting the high speed chicane so instead of being able to pull left I was wrestling the car and losing momentum.  After he tapped my rear due to my slow up all I could do was run off the track to make space.  Glad it didn't cost you badly.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Truetom on January 14, 2009, 11:13:35 AM +0000
Qualified 4th with laptime slightly slower than pb. Didn't finish race setup yet, so I used quali session to do that.  :)
Colin - did you get a stop&go for jumping the start? I saw your car moving a bit before green lights were on. Impatient?  ;)
Openning laps were ok, Colin went to pit, Sunny made a mistake and Lazlow was pulling away slowly. At one time I came to 1,5 sec close to him, but then he pulled away again. The rest was hotlapping.  :yawn:

Good win, Lazlow. Grats to Sunny for his first podium. :)

Legends rule!  8)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Michael Sunny on January 14, 2009, 11:46:52 AM +0000
Hi!

I'm so glad that I managed to join this race. I did some fine tuning of setup and managed to achieve 2nd in qualifications and 3rd in race. :)

Z4 is very fast and easy to drive car so I will not fool my self thinking that I am an excellent driver. Nevertheless I needed this podium to keep me going to achieve better results.

Thank you all for good race!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Legzy on January 14, 2009, 12:07:32 PM +0000
Darn PC decided to crash  >:( Think legzy was all over me at the time, I hope I didn't cause you any grief!
I was literally just making a move up the inside of you, so luckily missed your 'halted' car by mm's! ;D

Z4 is very fast and easy to drive car so I will not fool my self thinking that I am an excellent driver.
Oh :o  Having driven the Z4 to my best ever qually & finish, I was just about to make a speech thanking my parents etc... it was going to be very emotional & tears would have rolled  ;)


I had a great race. Was somewhat nervous on the grid lined up in 5th spot! I'm more used to starting in 25th ;D (if I can finish that high in the Z4, it obviously does need 'equalising', before anyone else mentions it :P)
Managed to pester TT from the start till he got past Sunny, then I was all over Sunny for ages but unable to pass him. I finally managed to spin myself  ::) at the dodgy chicane, when I was looking pretty good for a 4th place finish (10 secs gap to car behind), took an age to get myself back on the black stuff & was down to 7th/8th. Was very pleased to work my way back up to finish 6th despite the faster Colin passing me comfortably. The last few laps were very tough going as somehow i had totally shot my tyres!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: linco24 on January 14, 2009, 12:31:47 PM +0000
Colin - did you get a stop&go for jumping the start? I saw your car moving a bit before green lights were on. Impatient?  ;)

Yeah TT, didn't mean to move forward, but that'll teach me. Not that I believe I'll be on the front row again any time soon. Though I did think I had the pace to finish in the top 3 last night.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: nsfast on January 14, 2009, 07:33:02 PM +0000
Big apologies to nsfast for hitting his rear. 

It's ok Steve.  :)

Another dissapointing race for me. I am doing well in qualifying and my race pace is ok but for one reason or another I don't seem able to string together a complete race at the moment. I think switching between iracing and GTR2 is not helping. Maybe its time to take a break for a bit.  :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 14, 2009, 09:02:21 PM +0000
I think switching between iracing and GTR2 is not helping. Maybe its time to take a break for a bit.  :(

Maybe it's just my mentality but I actually find it helps to be chopping and changing around a bit. Stops me getting board with one car or sim and also makes sure I keep thinking about all aspects of my driving and not just whatever is the most critical for a specific car.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Pre-season 9 - Barcelona (National) - Jan 13
Post by: JPS on January 14, 2009, 10:02:00 PM +0000
Crap result for me but most excellent fun. 1st half was great, played yoyo with the twin brothers JPV and JPS in there
matching red beetles. (Some sort of Finnish/American twinning?) they would catch, then I would pull away a bit
they were swapping places occasionally, stayed wide for Busi after being an unpredictable mobile chicane
to him for a lap or two, same for Colin who despatched the Porche brothers and came zooming up behind me
so quickly I assumed he was trying to lap! either way I would rather a much faster car is in front than
worrying my hind quarters when I'm in a wayward tank. second half was less fun, tyres were shot
particularly rears, was having trouble staying on the track nevermind racing, went wide into caixa (sp?)
JPS? nipped through, I stayed right to aviod any unpleasantness, and Nsfast tried his luck round the outside
into the next right hander, I kept as tight as the growling monster would allow, not sure if we touched
or he just lost it? a succesfull pass was unlikely in any event.
Probly should have taken something lighter like the Moggy, that Viper tears up the tyres big styley on a twisty
track like that (which I'd never driven before..)

Yeah great battle with JPV, very close, but I managed to pull away in the end, running behind your big beast was a skill in itself Phspok...interest to see the vast differnce in the cars yet run together..great fun. 8)