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Round 9 of the Season 15 Div 1 championship is at sunny Zandvoort.  Remember it is PRO rules for Div 1,  and the soft sand and undulations of this circuit punishes any mistake, so bring towel and deck chair to watch the rest of the race in comfort.

We could benefit from a few more drivers joining with the current Div 1 crowd, so if you want to test yourself against the best ( and the rest!!) get practising Zandvoort and be there on Sunday.

Don't forget, incident reports should be entered on the SRou system following the link at the bottom of the results table when it appears.  Race details below.

Div 1 Season 15 Round 9 is this Sunday at 9:00 p.m. London UK time.
Please be in VROC UKGPL chatroom by 8:55 p.m.
VROC and Race passwords: see above

Server 1.ukgpl
IP address  194.105.176.22


Race date = 18-01-2009
Track = Zandvoort 67
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = PRO
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = 50 minutes (35 laps)

Password: see above
Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page


Division 1

	Single Stop Time		Double Stop Time
BRM	No Stop		N/A
Honda	2		N/A
Cooper	7		N/A
Brabham	27		N/A
Eagle	31		10
Ferrari	32		11
Lotus	44		17

 First Pit Window is: 28 (to go on your pit board) to 18 (to go on your pit board)
 Second Pit Window is: 26 (to go on your pit board) to 9 (to go on your pit board)

I'm there. Intending to race the Eagle, does that mean I gotta make a pitstop?

Afraid so. In Div 1 everyone is treated the same, no matter where you are in the championship.

OK, always good to be sure. ;)

Been practicing after a while out of sorts. Since I've been more used to the 65s, the 67s are a BIG handful!!! :D

Cooper looks good at track where i just missed on podium last season and also finish 6th in Race of Champions :)

Take something that you won't overheat the tyres much in, that's most important IMO. Cooper and Brabham come to mind.

Quite agree Hristo,  there seem to be far too many right hand corners for such a short circuit!!!

I finish work at 5pm cant wait :D

Practice race up on 1.UKGPL on VROC.  Please test your connections ;).

Okay, how do I do the stop without getting thrown out? I was in the pits for about 30s and the game retired me. I moved the car slightly at around 25s (thought it might prevent throwing me out).

What do I have to do????

Bad luck Gasper, that was a fantastic qualifying run you had going.

You need to move it forward a little every 10 seconds or so.

Well well well, what a race night that was! Qualifying went better than expected, I wasn't anticipating a 1:25.5, since I'd not got anywhere NEAR that in pre-race practice and my previous best was a 25.6. The race started badly, I ended up plum last, and just tried to make my way past the loud BRMs at the back of the field. I made a couple more cockups into T1 missing my braking point in the draft of another car, and had a few more excursions before and after pitstops, but I'm absolutely gobsmacked after all that (and I clouted the wall at Tunnel Oost when I went a bit wide) I ended up 4th! 4TH! In my first UKGPL race with no Shift-Rs!

Bloody good show lads, keep it up! Congrats Hristo on a truly dominant win, Clive and Will for keeping it on the black stuff to make the podium, and Dave for the battles we had on track!

I always moved every 15-20 sec using lots of revs and letting the fronts do at least two turns.  I seem to remember that you need to get rid of the "Press F1 for help" message.

Bad luck Gasper.  Advice on how to make a Pit Stop is on the web site here (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/pitstops).

There is no need to creep down the pit lane to avoid being discoed.  I was also in the Lotus and I made a successful stop at the end of lap 9.  I stopped at replay time 15:07 spun up the wheels once at 15:31 and moved off at 15:54.  My pit stop was 3 seconds longer than it needed to be because I was a bit slow setting GPL Wait going.  I also made a bit of a cock up pulling in, I clipped the pit wall.  Having said that it was a perfectly legal stop.

When the server replay is available I suggest you have a quick look at my pit stop so you know what you have to do to ensure you don't get discoed. 

Great result M8, well done!

Surely, moving forward while pitting is an "illegal pitstop" in some way ?

Ah, that's a shame, Gasper, I was wondering where you disappeared. BTW, you missed the pit window which was no later than 18 laps to go.  ;) I was surprised to see you go by ahead of me after my own pitstop, lol.

As for my race, qualifying was satisfying, think I did a pb, but as expected lost 1st place at the start to the Lotus of Gasper and then it was just impossible to pass him. At this moment it looked as Lorenzo was in the best possible position - in the BRM, just about keeping up with us and not having to do any pitstops. That became irrelevant when Gasper decided to let me through, I wonder if he thought I'm still driving for Soggies, thus letting a fellow teammate by.  :D

Thanks anyway, after that I managed to pull away and after Lorenzo retired there wasn't much to worry about except engine failure or something. Did my 7 secs stop on the pit window limit at the start of lap 18, but as I mentioned Gasper went by so we had another battle, which ended up in a great side by side duel around the hairpin, though I suspect he eased off again.  >:(

Despite my best efforts I couldn't lap the evil Clive, which forced me to cancell any post-victory celebrations and the team and pit babes weren't happy.  :'( You win this one, evil Clive!  >:(

It turns out I had fuel for 14  ??? more laps in the end  ::) and also running on qualifying tyre pressure settings cooked them completely near the end of the race, though the car was still capable of going faster as the fuel load went down.

Grats to all finishers!  8)

I was doing fine , did my compulsory pit stop and eventually got  myself into a solid P4 with the help of others various pits and retirements.
I was about 12 secs behind Will and tried to close the gap and maybe releivehim of the final podium spot, but some overenthusistic late braking for the hairpin saw me running wild , then a bit too much gas trying to spin turn the car somehow landed myself high and dry on the bloody kerbing and with both the rear wheels spinning in free air I was well and truly stranded.
Race over !

Afterthought:
could have rang the AA breakdown assist but in the interests of adding lightness I had left my mobile in the transporter for race day  ::),

When can we expect results to be up? :)

Incidentally, that race ricked my shoulder. I felt a spasm about 3 laps from the end and it's now painful around the joint. Neck hurts too! Wrists were shot after the race, though they're OK now. Haven't had that hard a workout since the night before. :D

Oh, with pitstops, I assume moving forward about 10 metres or so is allowed, provided you're still in the pits and near your stall, yesno?

You don't have to be anywhere near your own stall, just within the area designated as the pit and within half a car's width of the pit counter.

That was a bit hard on Gasper, getting disco'd like that, but if what Hristo said about leaving it too late to pit then......... I will have to study replay when its available.

After the inverted early finish at Brands, I was determined to get this shiny green Brabham to the end and score some points.

In all the years I have been racing GPL ( both on my own and since joining the on-line crowd) I have hardly ever used the Brabham, so I thought it was about time I gritted my teeth and gave it a go.
Some of my practice sessions on-line with other guys and the Breasts Thursday night events gave me some confidence that actually this car will go around corners and maintain a reasonably competitive lap time.
Several sessions ended in quite dramatic spins, complete with neon glow in the left rear tyre until I cut 4 toes off my right foot to lighten its impact.
Qually went well ( eventually!!, but more of that later) and for the first 15 mins I was circulating with full fuel and sorting out problems.
Then I discovered that I was half way down the grid with Hristo and Lorenzo ahead as expected but Turkey machine and Gasper had were also up there and Phil was no slouch in the Lotus either.
So, we drained all but an egg cup full of fuel from the Brabham and went for a banzai lap...and every time we came across someone having a "moment" of their own, but such is the way with racing I guess. ::)

Finally got one clear lap and popped myself just ahead of Phil and tucked behind Lorenzo's BRM..5th spot I think?.

Well that would have to do.

I knew I had pitstop time in hand over the Eagle and Lotus ahead of me, so the plan was to just keep them in sight. Hristo's Cooper would need to be watched and hopefully would be held up by Gasper and prevent him having the opportunity to Lap me ( again!!). The unknown was Lorenzo's BRM, he is always quick and was already in front of me, but would the early fuel load slow him enough to allow me a pass.
The start was memorable for the delayed ignition of the rocket boosters on a certain Eagle. Once they did fire, up several places were gained instantly on the run down to T1 where they were all lost again whilst the driver lept out and doused the flames with sand.

So I found myself 4th behind Lorenzo whilst Gasper did a wonderful job in thwarting Hristo's charge into the sunset. For the first few laps I bided my time as the tyres warmed up and the fuel level came down. Behind me there was Phil and Ken Murray for a while, but suddenly the gap grew and I was clear of any threat from the rear. I pushed a little and closed on the BRM. It seemed that Lorenzo was about on the limit with the full tanks of the BRM and was putting a wheel in the soft stuff in a few places, which allowed me to close even more.
Then he ran wide at Tarzan, giving me just enough room and time to squeeze through and take the line into T2. The next lap was defensive until I settled myself then i tried a couple of quick laps to try and break the tow at which point Lorenzo vanished. I will have to see what happened on the replay.
I decided to take my stop early and rely on the time advantage to take me ahead of the Lotii and Eagles later, which worked quite well ;D. two half spins dropped me back within a couple of seconds of Phil so a sustained period of concentration was required to rebuild that buffer!! It was then that Hristo appeared on Prib some 36secs behind with about 16 laps to go. At that point a meeting was held in the cockpit of the Brabham and by a unanimous verdict it was decided that Hristo would NOT lap this Brabham!! :o

And he didn't ;D. 2nd was better than I had hoped in my second ever race in the Brab, which maybe I have underestimated in the past...just got the BRM toconsider now, then if I'm feeling brave one day the Lotus!!

Referring to my mention earlier about problems....

I have a weird affliction ( but that has nothing to do with my problem!!) When I race from IGOR my wheel and pedals behave exactly as they do off-line, smooth and progressive. But when I join any server on VROC  ( with the same wheel settings) severything becomes an ON/OFF switch, steering throttle and brakes??and the ff becomes huge and very very notchy. Not only that, but at close to full lock the damping effect vanishes and suddenly the wheel is free until it returns towards the centre point again??!!
 last night I had to change my steering ratio from my normal 5:1 to 20:1 just to be able to steer the car in a straight line.

Does anyone have any idea why???

Another bad driving.....i'm not in fit atm...
The only way to beat Hristo was to take a Brm, but going fast with that car is a dangerous thing, so i had many troubles concerning the tires, and once Clive passed me the situation got worse, i couldn't control the car anymore and prefered to retire not to ruin someone else's race....

Cheers

Lorenzo

Sounds like a normal day in the office,  however  you do find a solution please pass it on  ::)

It's pretty dangerous going slow as well.  ;D

Not much to report after Bernie disappeared except H didn't wave when he passed.  8)

Grats H and Clive. 

Slow and low....thats the tempo.

Cheers,

W

Clive, how are the settings in VROC? From memory, you can change the FF settings when you join a server to override it, but with me the car behaves the same in VROC and IGOR, so it sounds like something in VROC is triggering something. I'll be in chat this evening if you need help solving it. :)

Yes I know that settings can be altered in VROC, but they appear to make very little difference!! :-\ when the change is so dramatic. I would say that it is like driving with a keyboard not a steering wheel and pedals sa far as the inputs and reaction of the car are concerned...but with heavy force feedback thrown in!!!

This problem only started around Christmas time, before then everything was ok and IGOR and VROC gave the same feel.
I am sure that I have not changed anything ( well, as sure as my single cell allows), but it must be something here at my end that is causing this. Someone suggested turning off the Logitech Profiler...which I tried...but that made no difference.

This race is best forgotten for me, my only reason for posting is to apologise to Phil for punting him up the rear at the hairpin. I just wasn't with it last night.  :-[

As for Clive's VROC problem. I haven't noticed such a dramatic change in FF behaviour but what I have noticed is that my profiler doesn't recognise gpl.exe running on VROC. Previously I have had wheel buttons mapped in a profile to control GPLWait and that profile has been set to work for gpl.exe. This worked for offline GPL and VROC GPL. If I ran on iGOR I had another profile that was identical except set to work for gplc67.exe, because that is what iGOR uses. This is the cloned exe created by GEM.

Recently I have found that my gpl.exe profile does not work from VROC. It still works offline but not on VROC. I can get round it by selecting the gpl.exe profile as the persistant profile, so that it applies this profile regardless but I will now have to remember to turn this off if I'm running any other games.

This has definitely changed recently, I never used to have to apply the persistant profile.

Building on that, my GPL profile in the Logitech Profiler points to GPLLaunch.exe in the WinVROC directory. Hope that helps. :)

Awww, thought we're still teammates. Wouldn't let you go past for sure, if I knew it then. The second time you passed me I made a mistake and then uphill I didn't want to risk a crash between us. It's been an okay race (was a bit slow, and some mistakes, but nothing major), I did my stop I think with 17 laps to go (that's 2nd pit window 26 - 9), and looking at pribluda it would have been tight with evilclive, but I think I could race him for p2.

Ah well, not used to pitstops, I'll sort it out till next race.

I tried that too, but it still wouldn't work.

OK, sorted now. It was to do with Spybot Search & Destroy Teatimer. Somehow GPL Recovery associated with VROC had ended up on the blocked registry change list. Anyway, although I'm not sure why, removing the block allows the profiler to recognise gpl.exe running and all my buttons work again without the need to apply a persistant profile.

So nothing to do with Clive's problem I feel!!

Clive, I don't know how to sort the problem you get with VROC, but you could just connect directly via IP by starting GPL manually.

Might just try that Hristo, but it is strange that I have never had this problem until recently... :-\