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There are no start lights/flags for this event so please all use the countdown method

Practice: 20:05 (10 mins)
Qualifying: 20:15 (10 mins)
Race: 20:25 (59 laps = 80 mins)

Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel or change your tyres. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Track: Portland 1970 here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg81636#post_portland70) .

Cars allowed: DeTomaso Pantera (297kW), Ford Capri RS(231kW) i.e. the slower versions, Ford GT40, Porsche 914, AC Cobra and  McLaren M1A download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.0).
Time of Day Setting: 12:00
Start: STANDING


Server: UKGTL S7
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7).
(3) This race will be run using the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.7.0.0 which will need to be installed prior to racing; please get it from the downloads page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#msg54518).
(4) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=201;theme=5)
(5) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car

If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

This looks like it's an Enduro event 8)

Perhaps the rules regarding AI pit control need repeating for any newcomers?

Tis  :) And ta, announcement suitably updated with mandatory pitstop section added as well.

There's an update at nogrip for the McLaren. Can we use?

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=16611

Sadly, I would have to say no.

They look like fairly cosmetic changes to me and I haven't got time to look at them at the mo as I've got plenty on :'(, but we should have more time to look at them at end of season. If you have time, try it on the server and tell us if mismatches occur (I half expect there might be issues).

We may be online around 3ish, Sat afternoon, if anyone wants to join us for a sesh

Can't make it this time as Baby Legzy is getting Christened, so that'll be about the time yours truly will be reluctantly making a speech... "Lovely day, thanks for coming, enjoy the food... bla bla bla".

Is that when he gets anointed with GTX?

She ! already has the T shirt !  :)

Is the practice server set up ok?
I get track not loaded?
Still listing Baywatch track!  ;D

??

M.

Portland has been up and running since end of race last night and I joined it a second ago with no problems. You could try a re-install of track and then try again? ???

Call me daft if you will but I cannot find this blasted player file.

If you put in the default location it's:

C:\GTL\UserData\PlayerName\PlayerName.plr

Replace "PlayerName" with whatever your driver name is.

Aha! My computer didn't recognise the file so it wouldn't show up as a notepad file. Thanks for the help  :)

We just had a great laugh. A good demonstration of 'how not to learn a track!' ;)
Six of us piled on the server (from doing GTR2) with not a lap of Portland experience for any one of us, jumped forward to the race session & off we went  8) 8)

Lap1 T1 was carnage lol. Who puts a brickwall at the end of a straight??? :lol:
Lap2 T1 was much better, only three hit the wall!  :lol:

Looking forward to this, it went on to show early signs of being a good match up of cars/track  :notworthy:

GTL lobby appears to be down  >:(

Any times gents?  :)

I think I was getting 52's in M1A, 53's in GT40, 54's in Capri. Not run there for a while though.

Either I'm slow or one of us is using the wrong track  :o

Did a few laps in the Pantera last night with a best of 1.22.1.

Wow, was that in the right Pantera? Strikes me as being a very good time if it was.

Yep, the slow one. It was the first time I have ever driven it & it's actually real easy to drive compared to the high power one.

Same as Geoffers for me, low 22s after a quick practice in the Pantera, hopefully more like 21s with a bit more tracktime.  Love that car so haven't tried any others. Suspect the GT40 and M1A should be quicker if you can get them to turn in.

A little tip I always use to make sure I'm using the right track offline, join the server!  :D

Thanks for the times update guys, I'm off to have a go later.

Nice track, lovely flow to it, hopefully I'll go better here!

Just got some  provisional quali spec times for you guys,

Pantera   1.21.6, a little understeery and quite a stable car if a little low on fun.  :-\

Capri      1.21.0, much nicer to drive than the Pantera, absolutely lovely drive, very forgiving and fun.  :yes:

GT40      1.19.8, a beast! Monsters the straights and turns in like a demon with lots of fun, lift off oversteer.  :thumbup2:

As for the race, I think the GT40 will suffer first as you need to be real hard on the front tyres, the Pantera will be next with the sublime handling Capri the last to suffer ( I may be wrong though!  :D )

You forgot the Cobra!  :) 21's in that and 20's in the GT40 for me. Unfortunately this track is stuck right in the middle of the Cobras two gear settings options. Its either fast and risk poping the engine or slow and steady. By far the best fun though :)

Gawd this track is good  ;D 


Matt R has either been visited by the same aliens presently probing Ade or on the wrong track.

Whoops! So I have, I may give it a run tomorrow, nice times Ian btw, and yes, I think Matt may be running on the wrong track!

Hope they cleaned the probe though.............................  :D

Ahhh, had the probe removed... ::)
I meant 1:20 with M1A, 1:22 with GT40 1:24 with Capri
I love the sound of the M1A, can't drive the thing but I love the sounddddddddddd
I just set the front as hard as it will go and the back as soft, quite a bit of coast diff
and hardly any power diff or it spins under power if you get any slide.
Will probably be my weapon of choice, though a finish is not a done deal

Just for the record, for all you 914 lovers (come on don't be shy) 1:21.4 is my best up to now.

Yep, He's not kidding. Witnessed with my own eyes  :o

Would I be completely out of order if I asked if anyone had a 914 set-up they could send me?  I'm just really struggling to get enough time to even practice let alone work on a set-up - a lame excuse I know, but I'd love to take part in a race and know that the set-up I've got should be about right.  At least then I can only blame my driving!

Failing that, can anyone point me to a guide that would help me get the basics right.  I get most of the real world theory, but without decent practice time, it's tricky to get it applied to the sim.

Any help much appreciated.

Cheers, Ross.

Knocked a second off the Pantera, down to 21.1. Interesting stuff Madd, I've tried to drive the 2600RS Capri loads of times (practice and public servers) and find it gives absolutely no warning when its about to let go, both a sudden snap with a locked brake and a sudden transition from power oversteer to a spin.  Never cured that on any track, so I've never driven a league race in it.  How you've cured that I'll never know. 

Since I'm rubbish at lasting enduros the Pantera is the only one for me since it is so stable, even if to get good times I have to toss it sideways through the first chicane and hit full gas while its still sliding sideways, always a little unsure what the back end is going to do.......of course I've always liked the 914 too.......great car choice.  :)

@ ross.mcw and anyone else who wants it I've uploaded my setup, don't be to fast with it now ;) got a 1:20.87 with it  :o its on line as Ade 914 1-20-87.
 
                                     
                                                Cheers Ade

You're a star, many thanks Ade - nice time for the 914.  I was struggling to get below 1m24s with some random set-up I found last night.  Will try yours tonight.

Cheers, Ross.

Steve, I now use 900 degrees on my DFP and tend to utilise a lot of trailing throttle, whether that makes much difference I'm not sure but it seems to minimise snap oversteer.

I would like to use your setup, but can´t find it at Portland folder online.

Sorry about that  ??? tis there now, have fun.

                                         Cheers Ade

I'll be online for some pracci at about 9:30ish if anyone else fancies it?

Thanks, Ade! Found it, but managed only 1:21:88 with it. It is not the setup, it is the driver that is incapable  ;D

Is there some special setting on the server?
Cos my installation will only give me 50 laps.

TC

The server can be set to more.

You can modify your track file (trackname.GDB) to do more laps with a text editior (offline) but set it back before you go online otherwise you will get miss match

Chuffed to stick in a few 1:19's in the m1a... which seemed sufficiently quicker then SBG in his dodgy Cobra :P... I'm just not sure I can string more then a couple of laps together  ;D ;D ;D

Matt Rowe and myself just had a mini challenge in the Mclarens, trading times for a while, Matt threw down the Gauntlet with a stunning 1.18.2, it took me a while but just pipped him to do a 1.17.7, very hard work and not sure if the car is able to keep that sort of pace up all race, time to make a choice.  :-\

Very good times for the two matt's :o i just sat back and drunk my drink and smoked my smoke :o very entertaining :thumbup1:(not the smoke and drink, I mean the driving) well done Madd with the 1:17.7 :o
Cant compete with those times, well done lads. Looks like this will be a blinder cant wait.
I'm knocking a tenth off here and there but nothing special :-[ but its a big old long race, hope you all keep it on the black stuff and your pit stops go well.

                                                      Cheers Ade

Phil, sorry for the messing about last night but whenever I tried to enter, and you were already in, I had the dreaded flashing screen and your car listed as GTL Safety Car. However I had no problems whatsoever If you weren't around when I entered.
I did have some cars missing from my GTL directory, but none that were required for this event. Anyway I have now re-installed all the cars so hopefully I'll be ok for tonight.

Erm, I don't recall reading anyone else mention it so thought I should... I don't think there are any lights or green flag waving bloke at the start, so everyone will need to use the countdown. (please correct me if I'm wrong)
Also, I've only driven into the pits once & I wasn't sure exactly where the pits started, so worth checking that out too.

No problem mate, better to check these things out before the race. If anybody else has problems associated with the Team Pseudo Pantera tonight I'll use the standard one.

Yeah, I wondered about that too.  There is a white line well into the pits area - I wonder if that's where the official pit start is?

Being a cautious old trout I usually have the limiter engaged well before the actual pit start

Gonna miss this one, working in Liverpool, home is in Hampshire and won't be finished before 6  :(.

See you all next week.

Diki

Ta Legzy. There is a chap with a flag (thats what threw me) but your're right he doesn't wave it  ???

There are no start lights/flags for this event so please all use the countdown method

Had a fun race but got disco-ed  :(

Hope you had a fun race!

Haddocking carp and other fish-related expletives, first time in ages been in the mood to race and the system locks - well the graphics did while the PC ran on.  Hope my car was clearly visible to everyone until I killed the router. Couldn't even get to Rivatuner to see what my temps were like, but I suspect it may have got a little warm on one of the cards........bad overclock, bad boy.

Was being a great race, with a heavy brimmed Pantera against Ian's faster Cobra (and Martin's GT40 for good measure), lots of close stuff, I'd just calculated I was unlikely to need any fuel, just tyres, then it crashed.  I blame the HUD which I'd brought up, it made the graphics hang, honest.

Oh well, next time.

Real shame that Steve, was corking while it lasted. I didn't have much more luck as me pit crew wouldn't help either time I asked for it and I did need fuel. Stupid game :P

Not sure what happened there Phil. I thought you left room on the outside but then closed the door on me, sorry if I was to blame.

Enjoyable race but hard work in the GT40, got a good jump of the start and jumped Matt R but couldnt stay with Madd,  Had Matt R behind me for about 12 laps or so but inevitability he got past in some trafic. Made my stop thougth to my self " nice quick pitstop" then relized half a lap later  i hadnt put any fuel in the car so went back the the pits which left me a lap down and in 9th place.
Managed to get back up to third .
Gt40 would have done the whole race on one tank.

Well done Madd and Matt. and everyone who finished .
Lappers were top notch as usual ..Bill a little bit too polite, you dont need to drive on the grass to let me through old chap ;)

Cheers

Wow, awesome race.

Grabbed a great GT40 set up from Dan, thanks buddy  ;D

Qualified in 10th, had a good start and was up to 6th by the first corner.
Had a fantastic really close battle with Steve and sbg for 60% of the race.
Eventualy pitted from 4th, changed tyres and added fuel and was back in 7th.
At this piont I thought my strategy had let me down!
Amazed to eventually make it up to 5th, then squeezed past ( errm, oh, forgot? sorry?)
in the Pantera to get 4th back.
Was running well but Ade was keeping me sweating for the last 6 laps.
Luckily the chequered flag came out and saved me!

Racing with Steve and sbg was the closest racing I have had for the longest time within a race for as long as I can remember.
Absolutely, why I'm here.

Brilliant!

Thanks all

M.

That pesky man got me off pole with a last ditch lap, then did the same in the race with a 1.18! Swine!  :D

Made a very good start and got into T1 first and then just tried to get the hammer down, both Dan and Matt were breathing down my neck for ages, but due to them scrapping I slowly got a bit of a gap and then just tried to be consistent, lapping in the mid 19's for most of the race is what helped me imo. :)

I took no risks and just took my time passing backmarkers, as Dan said though, keep to the track, there's no need to put yourselves at risk, and thankyou, the car has no lights to flash my appreciation!  :P

Pistop went well and joined with about 20 seconds to Matt, so decided to again be consistent and started lapping in the low 19's, finally getting to about 35 seconds in front at the end.  :)

Congrats to both Matt and my Teamie Dan for a good race and also to those that finished.

PS At least if we decide to use PnG there will be less problems with pistops...hopefully!

Well the M1A burned brightly, and the flame didn't actually go out, though it pretty nearly
suffocated me a few times..
A Dan said, got jumped at the start, that M1A is not nice on cold, or very worn tyres
Had some fun chasing, but was losing time having to sit behind Dan. what  :o
oh that sounded good, I think I need to say that again "but was losing time having to sit behind Dan". :laugh: and had to watch MADD slowly evaporate into the distance
I doub't I would have stayed with him in any case, I might have matched pace for
a while, but would likely be the 1st one in the wall.

Not so sure about back markers, I nearly ended my race a few times with people
not moving out of the way, out braking me at the end of the pit straight (not hard to do )
having to take evasive action only to find my setup and the state of the tyres would
not go for that, towards the end  realised that though I was catching people, I was
actually getting in the way of their local battles, so just fell back unless someone
made a very obvious dive out of the way. Sometimes people could not be polite enough
other times I guess they were involved in their own race. I think passing in the Mc
with knackered rears is an art I need to go to night school for  ;D

Damm fine race though, was surprised to find Dan not in 2nd when I caught Ade
now I understand.

Results and replays in.

At least I was top Cobra :) Hats off to you Tibs for giving it a go, hope you had as much fun as I did before you left, flaming and backwards through the pearly gates I hope ;)

We will if we can but there is no obligation on us to do so. The rules state.....

Lapping And Being Lapped

The lapped driver should not change their line on a straight whilst being lapped.
A driver may elect to hold a tight line out of a corner and remain on the inside to allow a lapping driver to pass them using the normal racing line.
Drivers should not suddenly slow in the middle of a corner unless they are on the outside and the lapping car is clearly inside them.
The lapped driver should hold a predictable line and allow the lapping driver to move around them. The lapped driver may blend off the throttle slightly to help the lapping car past; drivers being lapped by cars in the same or slower classes are strongly encouraged to do so.
A driver should never lift off or brake on a straight with another driver right behind them.
The lapping driver should wherever possible prefer a pass under power to a pass on the brakes.
This frequently means being patient and going through at least one corner following the driver about to be lapped, setting the pass up.
A driver who is about to be lapped shall not unreasonably hold up the faster competitor.

Lol..Took your time getting passed as far as i am concerned  :P. You were much quicker ,,nice and fair though. ;)

Hmm, I did say I need to go to nightschool for it. And I am not having a go at anyone in particular
but, possibly due to people engrossed in their own fights, letting me through would not be top
of their Christmas list. I'm not used to having that much closing speed on other cars
if I get flashing blue lights I jump out of the way as soon as I safely can, there were times
tonight when I most certainly was held up and it took a heck of a lot more than one corner to get past. I agree though, just cos I jump out of the way and make sure the guy gets past
doesn't mean other have to.

No problem mate, I was actually trying to race you for position but the thing was sliding all over the place.


I nearly took you out twice. Sorry about that, I was trying to let you past but that M1A is so fast in a straight line I was having difficulty judging where best to place myself to be least of a hindrance.

I was enjoying it (despite having to spend 1:20 in the pits having the suspension replaced), when my PC froze. Completely. Pressing Esc didn't work, niether did Alt+F4. I had to switch it off at the PSU. :(

I could have made a pass attempt at least once, sometimes a couple of times on each lap
but I was desperately trying not to hit you, as the car speeds/braking zones/turn in/ corner/
exit, were vastly different. I got two cut track warnings throwing it onto the grass to avoid
contact, and spun once to avoid ramming you into the 1st chicane, after that I decide
it was going to be a lonnnggg race, and I would have a go only if it was risk free.
Outdragged up the straight after us all getting tangled in traffic, so that was fine
Actually one of the high points of my race was a drag race out of the last turn with at least
3 lappers, one slewing from side to side, the others trying to avoid him, and me going 3 abreast
with Prib and two more I think, that was a "Oh nooo, please don't let them outbrake me again!!!"
my head tortoised into my neck expecting a thump which didn't happen, top marks guys
for that one  8)

Another frustrating race. The first 10 laps or so were good fun, running in 12th place battling a few DeTomasos in front. Then my anti-virus decides to pop-up and minimise GTL at the last corner to tell me it's updating itself. I was lucky not to hit anyone but I smashed into the barrier and the car never really felt the same after that. Then at the end of the straight, the anti-virus then minimises GTL again, to tell me it's finished updating! Bloody thing cost me half a minute, a damaged car and a few places.

I regained 12th place by about half race distance when I came into the pitlane. The pitstop took over 2 minutes with the mechanics fixing whatever was wrong with the car. Another lap lost and I found myself down in 16th. The rest of the race, thankfully, was more straight forward and rather enjoyable. Maybe Hockenheim will provide a better luck next week.

Anybody else having problems with replays? All of them after the last Goodwood race at the end of Jan CTD. Fresh install on a different system = same result, don't get as far as loading the track.

Easy mistake to make but are you sure your not trying to load the sub-folder that the replay is stored in?
Actualy check your replay folder for the file. Don't laugh, I've done it and had and as a result had exactly what you describe happen.

Yeah Matt that was cool, i had to go round the out side of someone in tha last corner which give you a nice run...illl have to watch the replay. ;D

"FUN"tastic race.
A big thank you to the car and track choice. Just awesome.  :-*

Congrats to your win and mad pace Madd.  :notworthy:
Dan managed to put a great pace on GT40 also.
SBG, what happened? You were in front aswell (good Cobra driving there).
The front 914 runners, hats off to you.
And the 2600 Capri guys were fantastic too.
Well done to all. Great driving guys.

As usual, i didn't practice a single lap before the event.  :hammer:
Therefore, i wasn't surprised with my 15th place on grid.
The start was very good, i managed to climb 5 positions.  :shifty:
First half, due to lack of practice, i was in expecting mode...meantime,
a few intereting fights, but the huge one was with Tinman, untill the pit stops.
Before any pit i was in P7, when i pit i forgot to disable the repairs and spent
2 minutes in pits.  :sleep1: fuel added and fresh tyres, returned to track on P12.
(1st stint 35 laps, 2nd stint 25 laps) so, less laps to the new tyres allowed me
to push harder that i could unlaped myself to Phil. Phil was a true gentleman,
he realized that i was a bit faster by then and let me overtook him, cheers mate.  :notworthy:
On the last laps Tinman was there one more time to light my night and we had
another intense and fair fight untill the end.  :thumbup2:
A thank you also to Matt, for understanding our own battle allowing us to carry on.

I must say again, thanks for the new tracks and car combo, really awesome.

Cheers.

Cheers Tony, that's exactly what I was doing.  :wetfish:

I really enjoyed that. I wasn't going to do anything silly because in our last 2 races together (one GTL and one P&G) I've been behind you and seen you get shockingly knocked about by drivers who should know better.

Thanks for a great fair race.

Cheers

TC

Probably not intentional.  I couldn't always maintain the balance speed right to keep lift off oversteer through the series of corners - went on to the grass instead of turning.  Later on with no one behind me and a lap down I just got careless.

Apologies to any 914 drivers; it is extremely difficult on that track to find a suitable place to let you by, as the long straight made it difficult to let you by on the last part of the lap, without either slowing down the straight or roaring by again.

Not a happy night.

Bill

Good race that 8) happy with the class win :o not so happy with dyno getting the lap record for class with my setup ;) well done mate.


                                              Cheers Ade

The race finally felt like the season started. Went with the 914 as it was quite stable through the corners but it still lifts the inside wheel around some of the corners making the FFB dropping to almost nothing. A good start off the line but felt like i was being held up around the corners and then losing it down the straights so made a split second dive inside Geoffers who was taking a wider line, sorry about that. Tried a fight back from the rear and seemed to end with large gaps each side of me but then seemed to get confused getting tangled up with people lapping, people being lapped, people who were a lap behind but were quicker than me etc! Just tried to follow Phil and then Sam who somehow came from nowhere.

And we have a proper track next week as well :clap:

Well I finally got round to watching the replay & it confirmed what I feared.  That was quite possibly my worst drive to date. >:(

I was intending to take the M1a but wimped out as I feared I'd spin out too often, so did a last minute swap to the far slower (1:19 - 1:23), less practiced Panty... thinking it was the smarter choice for me for an endurance.

Qualified in 19th but figured I'd speed up with practice as the race went on. My 1st 5mins were good as I managed to climb upto 12th spot briefly after about 4 laps. Then I had my 1st spin. I'm ashamed to say I span 7 more times in the following twenty minutes with some shocking driving on my part. I don't know what on earth I was doing  :-\ Anyhow that period saw me rooted dead last in 19th or 20th.

I managed to buck my ideas up for the following 50 mins & managed to work my way up to 14th were I pretty much stayed till the end with some far more average driving on my part (bar a couple of late spin son the last couple of laps ::)).

In conclusion, I had a couple of decent laps with Tony/Bill to enjoy & that was about it. One to forget for me, which is a shame because I thought the cars/track choice was very good (i.e. there was no obvious car to choose). If I'd put my normal level of practice into this race (or stuck with the M1a) I'm sure I'd have enjoyed it more. I hope I have a good drive at Hockenheim, I need one.

p.s. sorry to everyone I got in the way of  :-[ & a thanks to Tony for waiting that time  :)

Unofficial Lapchart (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/steveh/PortlandGTLEnduro/)

Hehe, you are a setup master Ade, I bettered my lap time for over a second with your last minute instructions. But you were better in race, so grats for the class win!