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Practice 1:	20:00	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:10	(25 mins)
Race:	20:35	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GTC from the UKGTR Physics Pack v2.9.1.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
Weather: changeable, seeded from real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Anderstorp GP
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

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Just realised which track Anderstorp is. Never driven it except in GTL with TC-65's on the public servers, which is a whole different ball game lol. I'm quietly confident of an above average finish, as I reckon this track was made for my Z4 (I do hope it still has the banked corners?)  8) 8) 8)

I could never like this tut-tut track.  :P

TT

It does, just got to make sure you don’t get beached at the top of the banking or on the big curbs on the inside!
Hoping for a good race in the Z4  :yes:

As it stands looks like I am away for this race :'(  ...have fun :)

Dear me, the Viper really eats its tyres on this track.

If it rains, tyre choice is going to be a nightmare (again) :D.

Couple of us on the server having a bit of practice if anyone wants to join us...

Bit keen? Too knackered know, need a rest. I'm a one sim a night kinda guy. Looking forward to this tho, thought the sprints round here fun, not sure about twice the distance though..

Hello everyone.
I'm kinda new here. I may try and take part in the race tomorrow which will be my first race. I have been practicing quite a bit, and I will do my best. I apologise in advance if I am responsible for any incidents.

More practice than I've been doing then! :laugh:

Welcome!

Welcome aboard Lubi. My first race i was petrified :scared: Dont worry about everyone else, just try and concentrate on your race.

Will do, thanks for the advice.

Anyone got any times so I can gauge how I'm doing? My best so far is 1:32.6 in race setup. But my Z4's front left tyre is being torn to shreds (6.7 after 4 laps :o) & might have to go for more durable tyres  :-\ Unless anybody has any suggestions on things that will reduce tyre wear on this track? I think it might be the banked corners that are killing them.

p.s. Welcome Lubi, see you on the track  :)

1:31.5 in the Viper with race fuel.


Is the wheel locking up under braking? I had that problem and it was using up the tyre much faster. If so, try reducing the brake pressure a bit and possibly set the brake bias more to the rear.

You could also try reducing the front Anti Roll Bar (too much and the car will not turn in) and reducing the camber in that wheel. I hope this is some help. :)

1:30.1 Quali - 1:31.4 Race

I was also worried about my tyre wear until I did a long test run using medium slicks, and managed to do mid 1:32's with my front left tyre reading 17. Which was good news as this means I won't have to do 2 stops in the race  ;D

Forget about getting tyrewear down at this track, it will be too compromising to be worth it, just have a nice setup and enjoy the race ;D

I would like to participate in this race if I'm allowed. I uninstalled the ukgtr 2.8.9.1 with the uninstaller and installed 2.9.1.0. It was a clean GTR2 install before ukgtr 2.8.9.1 was installed. Hope this is ok.

Should be fine Napo but if you get the chance during the day check the connection to the server if you've not already done so.

great track, gonna be hard on the tyres! :)

Alien speak !!

Can anyone translate!  ;D

Stop worrying, just drive ;D

I think the exact translation is "high tyre wear? so what? I can still be faster than you lot with tyre wear at 35" :D

the new rules about changing at least 2 tyres makes it more fun  ;D

Well, first race wasn't too succesful. Unfortunately I forgot to check the weather conditions at the start of the race and ended up starting on the wrong tyres. Which of course led me to be more over the place than usual! Classic schoolboy error I guess. Sorry if I got in anyone's way. I hope my next race goes a bit better.

I just didn't have the motivation tonight. I don't like the track, I had nearly no time to practice and I had horrible fps in the opening laps. After two huge spins I retired, hope you all had good fun :)

Hmm, started on right tyres for the weather for 3 laps and then they were the wrong tyres. Changed to the right tyres when I couldn't keep the car on the track on slicks anymore and then they were the wrong tyres after the rain then stopped again about 3 laps later. Then changed to the right tyres when the track was drying quickly, but they only lasted half the time left in the race so could barely get the car to turn in for the last 20 minutes. ;D Basically wrong wrong wrong, but it's luck when the weather changes like that so we're all in the same position. :)

Was an interesting race, but I was pretty bored for the last 30-40 minutes. :sleep1: When Jonzo came back after his offs, there was no point in fighting it as he was miles quicker and that was about the only excitement of the second half. First half was mildly amusing especially after I only just made it to the server and got one lap in with whatever my setup was from Zhuhai after getting home from a Sunday out. Not great as it topped out in 6th, so I adjusted that for the race and then lo and behold the rain came and I already had no idea how the car felt in the dry from one lap on a setup for a different track. LOL.

Anyway, I've never seen so many pitstops from everybody and well done Jon, Gazza and Roadrunner on the podium. Good points for Team Shark that. :)

Fuel. Hmmmm. Made it to the last corner though  :D

Certainly more fun than my last outing though and a good finish was in prospect with the Prof/Legzy/DG combo, but their pace turned out to be too much, after which I realised that I wasn't going to make it unless I conserved fuel. However it wasn't enough and I finally came to a halt on the final right hander having lost another place to Blunder.

Grats to podiums  :)

Phew  :drool:

Managed to finally hook up a late lap in qualy, then saw it was a wet race, but damp but whereas i would have normally gone straight to wets or inters i decided to stay on med rear and soft fronts as the last few times they seem quite manageable after a while. Sorry about the pace lap I just wasnt paying attention and was watching MJ behind without noticing Blunders 430 was looming rather quickly. Thanks for letting me back past guys though i knew i had to stay where i landed, couldnt have done it without you MJ ;)
After a few laps the car (and me) was settling down a bit even though it seemed to be raining quite hard. MJ and Blunder seemed to come together ahead and for some reason i was more interested in watching them than myself so ended up going straight on and dropping down to arond twentieth :ninja: but with everyone pitting preseumably for wets i got catapulted up the order, managing to final reach the heights of first! LMAO Thought you were shadowing me MJ but you seem to drop down the order.I was able to hold a steady gap back to second but then seem to get caught up in faster battles down the order with Jose coming past and then Napo and Lazlow. Really sorry Napo if i caused you to go off.

With the gap back around 30secs and the tyres turning to jelly I pitted with about 30mins left changing the fronts only coming out behind 3rd but i was able to hold a comfortable gap back to H@L in 5th with a few dodgy lapses but managed to keep going crossing the lin with barely a litre of fuel left!

I clearly wasnt that fast but managed to just keep it on the track and have the minimum of pitstops! Really sorry if i tripped people up, still not entirely confident lapping people :)

Replay and provisional results posted - JonB 1970 has been entered as a guest driver until I can identify his forum name.

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20090215%20U9LE/index.html)



Edit to strikeout embarrassing cut and paste error ;)

Was confident of a good result as I had an old RSR setup that fitted the 997 perfectly but when the race started damp and also raining abit I didn't know what to do. In the end I went for meds and this looked like a good choice for 5 laps but then he rain got heavier and the times started to slip so I decided to pit in for some wets.When I came out I was 40s down and after a couple of laps the rain stopped, my rears were hitting 150*C so I stopped again and filled the tank up took soft/meds. There was an hour to go and I was hoping it would stay fairly damp to keep those soft fronts from overheating/wearing too much. After spinning on the way into the pits I headed out over a lap behind the leaders. I just kept things steady after the pits but was gaining about 3-4s a lap on those still on wets at the front. I was lucky here because if the leaders had stopped earlier for slicks I'd have had no chance. In the end I was about 8-9s behind Gazzer after he'd pitted and I was closing slowly on him, by now my soft fronts were already worn quite bad but I was still able to gain on him. I managed to get past and in the overtake Gazzer got on the wet part of the corner, gave it too much gas and spun which was also very lucky for me because I'm sure if he'd been just behind me on the last 5-6laps I wouldn't have been able to stop him passing. He got the gap down from 6s to 2.5s at the end but I was struggling with 39.85 tyre wear. At one point near the end MJ and Shark were battling for postion and MJ let me past but I just didn't have the tyres to get a gap to him and was understeering all over the shop. Don't worry MJ I wasn't trying to hold you up for Sharky. The worse my fronts got the more I had to put the brake bias toward the rear to give me a bit more turn in around the corners. Felt knackered after this race but it was a great one. Nice racing all 8) Well Done to Gazzer and Roadrunner on the Podium 8)

Hard race but good fun. Started on soft slicks but had to pit when the sky darkened and I started losing all tyre temperature.

Hard wets lasted until about 55m to go but I needed to get to past 50m to go to be sure the fuel would last so I stayed out, cooled the tyres where I could and kept going. At 48m to go I pitted for medium slicks which lasted okay until the end, although the Aston remains a difficult car when the tyre balance is off and I had a few tough laps were the fronts passed wear 10 on GTR2XD, until the rears did likewise.

Wasn't quite quick enough to defend from the marauding Z4s, but had some fun trying. Ted's Viper was another story - almost running into the back of him in the corners and then getting left for dead down the straights. :laugh:


No he hasn't. ;) I asked in chat just before the race and fixed the mapping. :)

Hard race again :sweatdrop:

Was glad to get 5th. I was passed by many cars on the first few laps but as the rain got heavier, my tyre choice paid off and I manged to get up to 2nd before my pit stop. I had fun trying to fend off the other drivers in the first few laps.

I did however get contact with Busi and Jan (I think it was) at separate times, I am not sure if they were my fault. I thought that I had left enough room but the Viper has a rather large rear end. Sorry if it was my fault. I will check the replay.

I manged to stop only once, so I was very lucky with the tyres ;D

Tough race that.

Really didnt know what tyres to go for and normally would of gone for dry tyres when it says damp but for some reason i went for hard wets which was really lucky as i was getting gobbled up in the first few laps untill it started to rain (thank god) and the tyres came good for a while. Then it cleared up and in hind sight i left it a little to late to come in and change to mediums, i also put in way to much fuel.

Came out 9 seconds infront of jon but he was closing. I didnt drive my second stint very well at all and eventually he got past and as he did i cought some curb and had half a spin. This let him get away butthen he was having tyre issues and i got within 2 seconds of him but couldnt quite catch.

Looking back i probably should of won this if i hadnt of pitted a little late and not overfueled but i take my hat off and bow to you Jon for stopping twice and winning, incredible. Also to Roadrunner for stopping twice and only 15 secs behind me.

Grats to everyone for a difficult race.

Well done H@l for 5th

Nice one spanner to.

Very difficult race!

I made a decent qual lap but I felt could have gone a little faster but there was lots of traffic in qual.

Like everyone else didn't know what tires to go for. Was on Hal's bumper but I went too close to the outside and went off. That really killed my race but I pulled all the wrong stops and killed my race further.
Ended up going softs on my final pitstop. I paid the price in the end when my tires were shot and I spun off track so many times. It was all made worse as my car had horrible stability and was all over the place under braking. You didn't do anything Spanner, I put myself into that barrel roll...surprisingly my car was ok. ;D

Sorry to Jose for bumping you wide there in the end of the race, was very difficult for me under braking there near the end. Glad to see you got your position back :)

I used gtr2xd for the 1st time today, it displayed laps instead of countdown. Does anyone know why and how to make it show time left instead?

Was disappointing finish but I always had someone to race with so it was fun. :)
Congrats to Jon on the win, you were flying m8!
This GTC class seems like a lot of fun, I'll try to make more if possible. :)

Thanks, and well done Gazza who now has a healthy lead in the championship. Well done podiums and Spanner, I could not catch you.

Team Pseudo is now leading the team championship as well! Aaaaaaahhhhhh yyeeeaaaa  8)

Had a freeze in Q2, ever since installing P&Gv2 this is happening every time. :( Had to make another fast lap and it was as slow as the first one.  :P
Qualified 8th and - as some others - went with slick meds at start. Had to pit after the rain started, took hard wets  and put in another 10 litres. If the rain would have been stable to the end - I'd have been done with pitstops (ugh, never know when to use past or present perfect... :P ). But no, the rain stopped, had to come in for slicks again. Forgot to give order not to add any fuel. ::)  They topped it up, of course and I finished with 50 spare litres... :-X  I think I lost at least two places here, couldn't safely hold Jose back and couldn't pass Jan. If I didn't add fuel I'd be 20 sec in front with my pace a bit faster. :( Sometimes I miss rFactor pit system: I had all the time in the world on that big straight, I could have set my pitstop then and have no worries at the stop.  :(

I must say I like the new weather system, even if I had a crappy pitstop.  :P

Grats to podium and to Spanner for 4th. :)

TT


   

Glad you enjoyed it so much,but realize you were racing position 6/7/8 on the last 3 laps,beiing one lap down( pos.14!!) you should not do that.
Result:  Jose bumped off by you!!(who was sixth),Jose angry and bumping me off at the last corner .( me not happy)

Congrats to podium,

Jan

That was an eventful race to say the least !

Qually was a disaster, had an off on one flying lap, then got a CTD and had to restart my pc. Got back in with just about enough time to do 3 laps on the fly. On my last lap i was 0.6 up on my time with one corner to go when Jose decided to rejoin the track in front of me and rather than do the honourable thing and move out the way, he decided to stay on the racing line all the way around the final turn, blocking me and totally ruin my lap. That cost me 5 places on the grid and i was seriously un-impressed.  >:(

Race was a real mish mash. Started on meds all round, picked up some places early on. Came flying around one of the banked turns whilst 10th only to find Blunders? F430 spinning backwards across the track  :o and hit it hard, taking me off into the gravel. Dropped to 19th ?  :'(
Then it rained hard and got slippery, fell off once or twice losing time once grip went completely. But as i contemplated pitting (and cancelled my request 3 times) for wets, i could see my laptimes were within a couple of secs of what i could do on wets so stuck with it and followed spanner upto the giddy heights of 2nd place  :)
Thought i had cracked it and was on for a good pody as everyone behind me was miles back and pitting for wets. My joy lasted a handful of laps when i had an attention malfunction and threw the car off no less than 3 times in two laps on my now very worn original tyres. :wetfish: I completely threw away my big time advantage and got caught by 3 other cars. Pitted soon after and droppped to 10th after repairs from early collision with the F430.
Re caught Simon to grab 9th, despite Jons best efforts to throw himself off when i kept letting him by to lap  ;D but forlornly chased TT and top 7 ahead for final 10 un-eventful minutes. Disapointing result as had the pace (3rd fastest race lap) and running in top 3 but threw it away with my offs.  :(

Congrats to Jon on his win and the podium finishers. Well done to Spanner too.  :)

He he, I was following the race announcement mantra of not always checking my cut and pastes  :P ;D

Touché. :laugh: :P

Thanks guys, much appreciated

Who said two wrongs don't make a right? I got it all so wrong last night it finally came good  ;D

Had problems in qually getting a clear lap due to it being a short circuit. But I also suffered from some people just totally haddocking up a lap in front of me, but insisting on remaining planted in the middle of the track & moving across on occasion to block me from overtaking when I was on good flying laps  >:( >:( 

Started 18th on the grid with mediums, seeing the damp start but wasn't expecting any additional rain. That was fine as I took it steady & made up a few positions as people went off or pitted. But when it started raining, I should have listened to my team mates & come in to change to intermediates sooner. By the time I came in & out I had gone from an obviously false 6th, right back to 19th (3rd last).

With a full tank now, intermediate tyres were working well at first, but they were suffering badly once the track started drying & the car was getting more & more understeery. Both team mates again pitted while I stayed out for too long again! This time when I got round to pitting I sank from 9th back to 18th!

But that late pit meant that coming back out on mediums, they'd be in peak condition to the end. That's exactly how it played out from there & I overtook six positions in the last 15 laps & was rewarded with a 13th place finish for all my efforts  :sweatdrop:  8)

Most enjoyable race & you've just got to laugh when the weather mucks you about like that!

Congrats podium. Also congrats to spanner, you flew past me when you were race leader mate, top effort  :notworthy:

p.s. Just noticed that the stats registered 30(!!!???) overtakes by me, I must be better then I thought  ;)

Cheers :) God, i'm going to make a real hash of the next one!

Just thinking, It feels to me that the porka is too easy on its fuel. Both magny cour and here 80 mins is easy on a full tank. How does this sit with the other cars?  I thought we were trying to effectively enforce the need to stop?

Had a look at the replay.

Sorry Jose and very sorry Busi and Blunder :-[

I tapped Busi and Blunder when trying to hold the inside line but the Viper rear end was swinging out a bit as I put the power down. This resulted in taps that sent Busi and Blunder off the track. :-[

Feel free to put in incident reports guys, no hard feelings :)

That Viper is Solid! :o  :tank:

110-115 litres required by me for both those races in the Z4 Spanner.

They do, by having a rule that says 'everyone has to stop at least once'  ;)

 :D

I used approx 160L of fuel.

No problem mate :) the outside of T1 is a pretty risky place to try an overtake and I was sure you didn't tap me on purpose. Tough work in the Viper there ;D

Good race,
Had some good battles with Jan and Truetom.
Had to make 2 stops because of the rain and put way too much fuel in at my second stop!
Really crazy final lap with Napo trying to come past, I think it was fair, but only just!
 :o
Can’t remember being on track in the last few minutes of Qually, Maybe it was another Z4.
Really Sorry if it was me!!!!! Maybe I did not see you. ???

Another thing I can’t remember. What did you do to me?  :laugh:

Well I'm sorry for your misfortune m8, if you read my post I said my gtr2xd displayed laps(55 lap race) instead of time counting down. So for me I was under the impression on that last lap or two I had another 6 or 7 laps to get back on legzy who was only a few seconds up the road.

If anyone can explain how to change that in gtr2xd or if it is even possible please let me know, next time I'll just turn on the HUD to check time if it isn't. I'd prefer to use the good old lcd display but this car doesn't have that.

Dont think it is in the XD app Napo. I run a modified Hud as that seems to be the only place its displayed correctly. There is a timer as it displays the session times, but come the race it seems to be off.

I had the same problem in the Lower Sprint race at Spa  ::)
Would be good if GTR2 had something to tell you when the leader had finnished.
And something to set pit stops before you stop, like in Race07!
Then it would be perfect ;D

What, like the chequered flag in the top left of the screen? :P

Ditto ! No problem buddy! These things happen when we are racing so closely!

I made the usual errors in pit stops, wrong tyres and forgetting to fill up with fuel!  :P
Dropped me from the top ten to nearly last! Still can't quite figure out why! but I guess I did 2 bad pit stops when others did 1 good one!  :'(
Was still having a few good battles. My Team mate Legzy sailing past me on fresher tyres finished me off!  ;D

Can anyone comment on how they thought the 430 felt!? Legzy did me a good set up which I did modify but still seemed very tail happy both under power and braking!
Is it just us!? If you've got it tamed? can I pinch a copy of the set up? or is it a symptom of all the camber changes on this particular track?

Thanks all, well done Spanner / podium. Awesome!

M.

Martin when i expect wettish conditions i put diff to something like 15/30/2 and lower back ARB .The rest stays the same,still i feel i am a setup noob,so no gurantees 4 succes lol.

Jan

So you're putting 'me overtaking you', down to my fresh tyres then? ;) ;) ;)

 ;D  Sensitive !  ;D   .... Absolutely, what else could it have been !!!  :lol:

I must have set some kind of a record when I made 5 pitstops.
I started the race on soft slicks. All I could see before the start was 17 track 9 ambient on the right side of the screen. Where did you guys see it was dump?
Anyway, by the time start sequence was on, it was pouring. So at the end of the pace lap I dived into the pits and selected soft wets. This time when the tire changing sequence was done there was no rain. So now I was again on the wrong tires, and they were overheating a lot. So 2 laps later I stopped and changed to medium slicks, just to have the rain start on my out lap. At this point I was already 2 laps down, so I went back in for the third time and put hard wets. It was a bit better, but less then 10 laps later the rain stopped, and I went back in for the medium slicks. Those were holding ok for a long time. Then some 10 laps from the end, with the track fairly dry, I went in for the soft slick just to see how fast I can go (being 5 laps down, one more stop didn't mean much anymore). Unfortunately some really fast cars came to lap me, and I didn't even manage to get more than a couple of clean laps at the end.
This weather thing is new to me, back in GPL, NR2K3 and in GTL I didn't have to worry about the tire selection. It's interesting, but also frustrating. I guess this is one way to learn about it. What I learned is med slicks are pretty good in all but the extreme wet and completely dry conditions, in which case you should choose hard wets or soft slicks. Right?

Lol, Syd, you had an eventful race.  :D

You can see conditions while in pits - before you join start on track. It said "damp" there and when it does I go with slicks.  :)
If it rains I go with hard wets for endurance and - depending of overall tyre wear on this track - soft wets for Sprint.

I never ever touch the inters.  :P

TT

P.S. I would never go back to dull endurance races with pre-set weather.  ;)

Tyre choice can be somewhat car dependent.

In the dry, your choice between the three slick compounds will depend on wear and temperature. Some cars can't get more than a single qualifying lap out of softs; some need different compounds front and rear to work properly. Only testing will reveal what the correct combination is for a given car on a given track with a given race distance.

Once it starts to rain, slicks will work as long as there is no standing water, and as long as the tyre temperature can be maintained. If you're out on slicks the usual cue to pit for wets is when the tyre temperature suddenly drops off. Trying to avoid going off line helps to keep the temperature up a bit.

Chosing between hard and soft wets is always tricky and depends mostly on how hard it's raining. If it's just drizzling, hard wets are usually the better choice, if it's raining properly, soft wets will probably be needed to maintain tyre temperature. Again, this can be very car dependent; for example, the Viper will almost certainly need hard wet rears and soft wet fronts.

If the rain eases, tyre temperatures will start to climb. You have to start hunting out the wet patches off the racing line to try and cool them. Eventually the temperatures will start to spiral out of control and you have to change back to slicks.

Intermediates usually have a pretty narrow band of operating conditions; they can't clear standing water, and they won't last long on a dry track on most cars. I find the Aston works quite well on inters but it's the exception rather than the rule; they're most useful when the track is taking a long time to dry after a shower.

ps. It's mostly all guesswork. :laugh:

I agree with TT, Inters are a waste of time. :) It's either raining enough or it isn't. My rule of thumb is that if I can't keep the car on the circuit then I need to change tyres. If that isn't the case then I manage the situation until something changes or my scheduled stop window. I'd rather be out on slicks losing 2 seconds a lap than waste 45-60 seconds pitting. Because the weather can change I leave it as long as possible before changing tyres rather than making a change everytime the environmental conditions are different. If you stop every time you're on the wrong tyres, you'll be forever in the pits. You have to drive the car on the wrong tyres for considerable times to do well in changing conditions.

At Anderstorp I started on medium slicks and stayed out until my car wouldn't stop for corners anymore. I left it one lap too late because the lap I came in I couldn't stop and ended up losing another 20 seconds going off and coming back on again. If wets are overheating I leave them and manage them until they are about to explode or they are very worn. Again if you can't keep it on the circuit cause they are overheating then it's time to change, but until then resist the urge to change.

Essentially you lose so much time in the pits that as long as you can keep the car on the track you're better off staying out until just before you find out it's too late. It's a guessing game, but one thing is certain...you lose a lot of time everytime you enter the pit lane. ;D

Soft wets can go bang too, I blew my front left and had to do a whole lap as it happened just as I passed the pit entry :( Wear was only at 10.5 but they were quite hot. One thing the game doesn't do is allow different tyre pressures for the different tyre compounds  :-\

As a result I did 3 stops in the race, the second two just for tyres. Ok the first of these 2 was for the puncture but in neither case did I repair any damage yet the first stop was some 25-30 secs longer than the second! Why would that be?

Hm? I hdd never blown a tyre other than physical contact or tyre wear.  :-\

I must be too gentle to the car.  :D

TT

If the tyres are driven at sustained very high pressures they will blow, irrelevant of tyre wear, as Picnic kindly chose to demonstrate for us all. ;) You can get the same effect by doing sustained doughnuts.  8)

Indeed, I blew one yesterday lol