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UKGPL Season 17 - Pre-Season fun race - 65 mod - Imola

This is a fun race for some pre-season practice and also to test UKGPL6 prior to the start of the season. It is being run on Sunday rather than Tuesday due to the Monza 66 re-run on 17/2 and LBGPL race 24/2

If you have problems installing the 65 mod, just post on the thread. If you haven't used the 65 cars before, be aware that though they're far easier to drive, they have no proper default setups of their own- you'll have to download one, or alter the gearing.  There are default setups available if you need one, just use the link below.     

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:40 p.m.
(You will need to set up a channel called #ukgpl if you haven't already done so)
IGOR and Race passwords: no race password

Server 6.ukgpl
IP address  tba

Race date = 15-02-2009, 9pm
Track =  Imola
Variant = 65mod
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = Int-Long (20 laps)

Download the track from: http://gpltd.bcsims.com/?dis=I

Chassis assignments: any chassis you like

New 65 Patch: This is likely to be released shortly - as this is a fun race if it is available you can use it...

65 Mod
 
The 1965 season was the last to use the controversial 1500cc formula which had begun after 1960, to the initial advantage of Ferrari.  The 1965 cars are smaller than the 1967 cars and have less torque and hence more grip.  It was claimed that they 'cornered on rails', however this allowed the Grand Prix series to retain the use of circuits which were otherwise to prove extremely dangerous.

The 1965 cars are ideal for those new to GPL as they allow the tracks to be learnt in light reliable cars, however these are also full Formula One cars, and quite fast....  Jim Clark won the 1965 Belgian Grand Prix from in a Lotus.  Graham Hill took pole in his BRM P261 with a time of 3'45.4 .  The 1965 distance was 32 laps.

David Wright's 'Legends' site http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/ has the download of the most recent 2.0.1 version (under 'details') as well as being an exceptional guide to both 1965 and 1967, for those interested in Formula One history.

Unfortunately the current 65 mod download does not have default setups.  Default setups for all the cars and tracks that are likely to be used can be downloaded from http://www.neurology-crew.com/gplserver under '65 setups'.  Note that you will have to add enough fuel for the race, whether short or long!

Password: see above (#post_event_password)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=202;theme=6)

Is anyone else getting problems downloading and installing Imola???

It appears to load ok, but, if I select Imola in GEM  ( and it shows as Imola in my Season file) and open GPL, I end up at Jarama??!!..or on retrying install...I get a message telling me that it is unable to find "rouen.***???

I've tried both methods ie zip and Imola Installer and got nowhere??

Suggestions welcome.

Avoid Imola?

Is there a problem with your 67season file, whether the total numEvents= or the numbering of events in order?

As well as the updates on the Alternative Track Database (which aren't compatible with each other), F1Legends have an update for Imola.

I could give this one a go; the track installed fine and works; the installer's a bit of a handful cos it's 3 extractions before you get the actual track installer (who designed it that way?!), but otherwise it plays good for the 1 mile or so I managed up to Tosa with no accelerator and a button for a brake!

EDIT: OK, I love the track; why can't Imola today be more like it? Especially the run from Acque Minerale down to Rivazza: no chicane!

Having no brake pedal takes some getting used to, but the accelerator works fine (at least until THAT breaks). The left hand which ordinarily does the down-shift (I has no separate stick shifter) is now doing the brakes with the down-shift button, and the right hand is doing the up-shift with the normal shifter button and a separate one for down-shifting. It means I can concentrate with my left hand on braking, whilst the right hand does the gear changes. Right foot still does the throttle.

See you Sunday!

Following my recent re-install of GPL I am certainly nowhere near the max number of circuits loaded, as I am simply adding any that I need as they become necessary. So, by just adding another circuit ( Imola ) I would not expect anything to get out of sequence etc.???
But, having just returned from a 5 mile hike with my dogs, I am going to have a deeper delve into this.....and Clive, now I WILL to be at Imola whatever it takes!! lol

I'll try and make this one then!  8)
Dunno if I have Imola or not though....

Aha!!!   Rouen was the key ::)

I had downloaded a winter Rouen track for a fun rac over the Christmas break and whilst the track was the same all the greenery was white, if that makes sense.
But I forgot to switch back to the standard Rouen file.
It seems that Imola "borrows" some of the original Rouen bits to construct the circuit file and once I corrected Rouen...voila....Imola!!

Now I just have to learn how to drive it? :-\ ::) bring a pizza Clive ,,,(Large with fries and beer)

 ;D 8) 8)
will try to be there , unsure coz on big birthdayparty tonight , hangover for sure , lol  ::) :P :-[

I connected to the server fine, did a couple laps practice, best lap in the 1-man race I did was a 1:42.12. I get the feeling that's quite slow, since I had best sectors for a low 1:40. What's the score round here? Button braking is definitely not as effective as a pedal, but it's not THAT much slower, is it?

Celebrating Ballantine's Day today :clown:, but I hope to be there tomorrow. Haven't driven Imola more than a few crappy  laps in the 67's, but I hope it's easier to cope with in 65's.

just tried the server with Natan...all seems ok except for my driving  :-\

Looks like a sub 1:40 should definitely be a pissabolity, although not by me unless I get myself and a setup sorted out.

We had a visitor from San Diego, one Gary Tautfast, who was interested in racing with us on Sunday evening if he is free at 2pm. (his time). Might be a new recruit for 65's, but he was doing low 1:41's, so is no slouch in a Cooper.

Prolly because there are no RH corners  ;D


getting the Brabby tuned up so should be OK after Sunday tea Pie and chips  ;)

Probably give this a miss need a break sunday for once.

Just tried the 67 BRM at Monza with my current steering wheel and pedals setup, and it feels so alien compared to what I'm used to, it's almost scary braking for corners! In the 65s at Imola I *should* be OK with, even with a brake button that emulates a pedal so soft it feels like nothing's happening at all.

I'm hoping Mr Loynes can sort my pedal out good and proper so I have a good working setup before UKGPL S17 starts.

I have a 38 in Cooper, it's a great track for racing, I agree with Jethro, although not realistic in terms of layout, but fun in the 65s. Looking forward to it.

I was going to 'offer' you a BT7 this season Hristo, since its a slightly slower chassis...  What are the differences between the layout of this Imola and a realistic sixties Imola? 

Gary would be very welcome, as would any new recruits- RSC has disappeared at just the wrong time for the beginning of a new season.   

Tamburello's quite tight (it's not normally), the barrier should be closer to the outside of the corner since the river practically runs right alongside it. Other than that, it seems pretty faithful. Piratella might be a little inaccurate.

1:38 for Hristo means unless people fall off the track, I ain't gonna have a hope in hell of a good result. :D

I think the BT7 is faster actually, except on the straights, it's really bad on those. Up to you though, as long as the whole field is balanced.

What I meant about the layout is that track width, straight lengths, corner radius, surface camber and so on are not correct. The whole shape is just about proper, but quite wrong as you zoom in, heh. Take Imola 94 and pre-94, remove the the chicanes and you get the 60s version. There was some video of Clark going around it on Youtube actually, looked picturesque with all the green vegetation and lack of concrete/railguard walls, but it doesn't show many corners. I used to work on a Imola 94 project and spent an year and a half just doing the layout trying to get it as realistic as possible and it still wasn't perfect, but eventually I abandoned it. Was good fun to drive on though.

There are onboards on Youtube, the differences are the 60s Imola had no Acqua Minerale chicane (it was something like it is today), there were no Variante Alta and Variante Basa chicanes, no final chicane either. The old road is noticeable on videos going from Rivazza in a fast right towards the s/f line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciluwF47c-Y

IP address is : 80.5.200.198
I have set it to loose grid (Paul Jackson's setting)

Really pleased the server ran well - the new router did the trick  ;D
Love the track, need practice...

Track: Imola             Sun Feb 15 22:16:21 2009

PRACTICE TIMES

Pos No Driver                           Team     Nat      Time      Diff Laps
 1   1 Hristo Itchov65                  Eagle    GBR 1m39.365s             14
 2  12 natan Vix65                      BRM      BEL 1m40.235s   00.870s   19
 3  14 65 evilclive                     Honda    GBR 1m40.559s   01.194s   18
 4  22 Geoff Heard65                    Lotus    AUS 1m41.409s   02.044s   13
 5   7 Sam Blood                        BRM      GBR 1m42.081s   02.716s   10
 6  19 Phil Thornton65                  Lotus    GBR 1m42.135s   02.770s   14
 7  11 Jethro Walters65                 BRM      GBR 1m42.485s   03.120s   13
 8  21 Steve Bucket                     BRM      GBR 1m43.694s   04.329s   14
 9   9 Tim Muttram 65                   Honda    GBR 1m45.073s   05.708s    7
10  10 Vlad Vosblod                     Lotus    GBR 1m45.703s   06.338s   10
11  17 Billy Nobrakes                   BRM      GBR 1m46.775s   07.410s   13
12  15 Fast Back                        BRM      POR   No time   No time    0
13   5 Gary Tautfest65                  Cooper   USA   No time   No time    0
14  19 6 UKGPL                          Lotus    GBR   No time   No time    0

All times are official
Generated with GPL Replay Analyser


Track: Imola             Sun Feb 15 22:16:21 2009

RACE RESULTS (After 20 laps)

Pos No Driver                          Team     Nat Laps   Race Time       Diff    Problem
 1   1 Hristo Itchov65                 Eagle    GBR   20  33m38.644s           
 2  12 natan Vix65                     BRM      BEL   20  34m04.943s    26.299s
 3   7 Sam Blood                       BRM      GBR   20  34m17.324s    38.680s
 4   5 Gary Tautfest65                 Cooper   USA   20  34m17.473s    38.829s
 5  14 65 evilclive                    Honda    GBR   20  34m24.427s    45.783s
 6   9 Tim Muttram 65                  Honda    GBR   20  34m31.792s    53.148s
 7  19 Phil Thornton65                 Lotus    GBR   20  34m48.999s  1m10.355s
 8  22 Geoff Heard65                   Lotus    AUS   20  34m49.356s  1m10.712s
 9  21 Steve Bucket                    BRM      GBR   20  35m09.426s  1m30.782s
10  11 Jethro Walters65                BRM      GBR   20  35m10.859s  1m32.215s
11  10 Vlad Vosblod                    Lotus    GBR   19  34m12.620s   1 lap(s)
12  17 Billy Nobrakes                  BRM      GBR   17  34m52.611s   3 lap(s)
13  15 Fast Back                       BRM      POR    0 DidNotStart  20 lap(s)
14  19 6 UKGPL                         Lotus    GBR    0 DidNotStart  20 lap(s)


Race results are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

RACE FASTEST LAPS

Pos Driver                                 Time Lap
 1  Hristo Itchov65                   1m39.303s  19
 2  natan Vix65                       1m40.208s  19
 3  65 evilclive                      1m40.408s  13
 4  Gary Tautfest65                   1m40.416s  19
 5  Tim Muttram 65                    1m40.421s  17
 6  Geoff Heard65                     1m41.407s  18
 7  Sam Blood                         1m41.446s  18
 8  Jethro Walters65                  1m41.738s  16
 9  Steve Bucket                      1m41.824s  18
10  Phil Thornton65                   1m42.213s  13
11  Vlad Vosblod                      1m45.238s  14
12  Billy Nobrakes                    1m47.741s   9
13  Fast Back                           No time
14  6 UKGPL                             No time


LEADERS

Driver                           Laps
natan Vix65                      1-13
Hristo Itchov65                  14-20

Number of lead changes: 1
Number of leaders: 2


LAPS LED

Driver                           Laps led
natan Vix65                      13
Hristo Itchov65                  7


HIGHEST CLIMBER

Driver                           Start Finish  Change
Gary Tautfest65                     13      4       9 
Tim Muttram 65                       9      6       3 
Sam Blood                            5      3       2 
6 UKGPL                             14     14       0 
natan Vix65                          2      2       0 
Hristo Itchov65                      1      1       0 
Billy Nobrakes                      11     12      -1 
Fast Back                           12     13      -1 
Steve Bucket                         8      9      -1 
Vlad Vosblod                        10     11      -1 
Phil Thornton65                      6      7      -1 
65 evilclive                         3      5      -2 
Jethro Walters65                     7     10      -3 
Geoff Heard65                        4      8      -4 


ON TRACK LAPS

Driver                           Laps/Total    Percent
natan Vix65                         (15/20)      75.00
Vlad Vosblod                        (15/19)      78.95
Tim Muttram 65                      (13/20)      65.00
Hristo Itchov65                     (12/20)      60.00
65 evilclive                        (11/20)      55.00
Phil Thornton65                     (10/20)      50.00
Sam Blood                           (10/20)      50.00
Geoff Heard65                       (10/20)      50.00
Steve Bucket                         (8/20)      40.00
Jethro Walters65                     (7/20)      35.00
Gary Tautfest65                      (6/20)      30.00
Billy Nobrakes                       (3/17)      17.65


RACE LAPTIME CONSISTENCY
(first lap excluded)

Driver                    Avg Deviation  Std Deviation  Avg Laptime   Laps
Sam Blood                         0.440          0.566    1m42.482s     20
Steve Bucket                      0.992          1.337    1m44.383s     20
Hristo Itchov65                   1.110          2.223    1m40.541s     20
Phil Thornton65                   1.322          1.731    1m43.968s     20
Gary Tautfest65                   1.351          1.885    1m42.023s     20
Vlad Vosblod                      1.591          2.431    1m47.530s     19
natan Vix65                       1.718          2.408    1m42.018s     20
Tim Muttram 65                    2.471          3.047    1m43.135s     20
Jethro Walters65                  2.740          3.155    1m45.279s     20
Geoff Heard65                     2.824          3.992    1m44.120s     20
65 evilclive                      2.885          5.094    1m42.991s     20
Billy Nobrakes                   15.979         17.246    2m02.922s     17


All times are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

Generated with GPL Replay Analyser

That was good fun! Shame I couldn't keep it on the track during the race. :D

Yeah Jethro, ditto. Really do enjoy Imola, but 2 spins on consecutive laps at Rivazza were disappointing. Sorry Tim for spinning in front of you and causing you to biff me. The jousting with Dave and Jethro and chasing Phil down near the end were good fun too. I'd like to see Imola included in the season this time around.
Geoff.

Great track for racing those 65s. I had an ok start from pole, but the sheer power of Natan's BRM got him through so I had to follow and wait for an opportunity to pass. It wasn't quite possible as he was always pulling away on the straights, even when I was in his slipstream. I had to brake hard to avoid him once and that let one of the Hondas (Clive I think) through but he binned it on the next lap on the exit of Acqua Minerale. Eventually I had a good run on Natan towards Tosa and passed him, but then braked too late a few corners after and went off. After that the gap to 1st was some 7 seconds so it took awhile to reduce that. When I closed up on Natan I had to think of a way to negate his engine power advantage and the best place seemed to be the exit of Tamburello where he always went in too fast and that compromised his exit thus losing him alot of speed. So I lifted up a bit before the corner and then floored it for a good exit, got alongside him and in the braking at Villeneuve I took the outside line and it worked properly.

That was a fun race although I really need to check to analyser to see where I'm losing so much time. During quali I found the barriers at Tosa particullaly appealing but at least I managed 5th on the grid. When the start began me and Geoff began a drag race to the Tosa hairpin and I managed to grab the inside line. 4th then became 3rd once Clive and his Honda went cross country.

The rest of the race was rather quiet. I kept noticing cars catching up to me in my mirrors but they fell victim to Imola's barriers. It was only when approaching the last 2 laps did things get really interesting when Gary began to hound me in his Cooper. It was a good job the BRM had the grunt advantage otherwise he would have passed me with ease. I was much slower through the bends but the Cooper just couldn't find a way through. So, all in all, a good result with 3rd. The track was good to drive if not entirely accurate. Would be happy to race on it in Season 17.

Think you need to update your analyser as well so that you have the correct chassis names.

Mine says version 7.8 beta 5 if that is any help.

That gives the correct car names in 65 and copes with the 16 cars in 66mod as well.

Checked and I have 7.7 - all searches for 7.8 lead to RSC which is down. Anyone know where else to get it?

I have put it here:
http://www.planet-venom.co.uk/gpl/

Thanks Clive, now using the updated version

Sorry I couldn't show up. Had to go to work to get something finished for monday, so I got home so late that I wouldn't get time to install the track before race start.  :-\ Sounds like you had fun, though, so I hope this track will be on the calendar for the following season. :)

If it aint broke dont try to fix it    ::)

When will I ever learn  :-\

Up untill now I had a full working version 7.62 GPLRA c/w desktop shortcut

Then I tried the update  :)

I now I have zilch  ???  ???  ???

insert  "bangs head" emoticon (cant find that either )

I just lurve compewters  ::)

Don't know how you have managed that Bernie.

It's not an update, it's the whole thing so just unpack and install to a new folder.  It should create a new shortcut of its own.  I still have my previous install and its shortcut active but just don't use them.

Its the darwinvirus   :o

gpl killer bug !