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Title: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on February 25, 2009, 10:01:24 AM +0000
Practice 1:20:15(10 mins)
Qual 2:20:25(20 mins)
Race:20:45(40 minutes)note: no warmup

Cars allowed: any GT1 from the UKGTR Physics Pack v2.9.1.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
Weather: Seeded from real-world conditions, fixed for the full event (note to server starter - set changeability to zero)
Track: UKGTR Road America v1.0.1.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_roadamerica).
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: No mandatory pit stop.

Server: UKGTR Upper Sprint
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Standings and schedule can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=200;theme=3)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the car pack and track (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: spanner on March 07, 2009, 06:46:29 PM +0000
Is this the standard track or the UKGTR version?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 07, 2009, 06:57:05 PM +0000
Is this the standard track or the UKGTR version?

UKGTR, to avoid it ending early.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Napo on March 07, 2009, 10:16:25 PM +0000
I will make this race.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: mr_oily on March 09, 2009, 12:34:27 PM +0000
Was convinced seeing the name that I knew this place but somehow i've never tried it - looks like a great track though.

Standard track - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtz8JrTH1mg

Hope to make this one too.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: purdie on March 09, 2009, 04:59:17 PM +0000
done a few laps in the Aston and its all coming back to me  ::)....... very scared of the sub-2min record by Reign Man though! But with the fast sweeping corners a higher downforce car like the Massa is perfect....  8)

Anyone know how good the aero is on this DBR9? Compared to the other ukgtr gt1 cars?  ???  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Jeffrey on March 09, 2009, 05:18:57 PM +0000
Anyone know how good the aero is on this DBR9? Compared to the other ukgtr gt1 cars?  ???  :)

Very stable car, but not the fastest in a straight line.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: purdie on March 09, 2009, 06:17:58 PM +0000
Anyone know how good the aero is on this DBR9? Compared to the other ukgtr gt1 cars?  ???  :)

Very stable car, but not the fastest in a straight line.

:thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Legzy on March 09, 2009, 10:09:35 PM +0000
Couple of us having a bit of praci on the server if anyone fancies it...


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Gazza49er on March 10, 2009, 12:39:40 PM +0000
Gutted i cant make this one as i did a little praccy last night and the ford felt quite nice round here, but i cant miss Liverpool v Real Madrid  :o

Hope you all have a good race.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Busi on March 10, 2009, 01:36:42 PM +0000
Gutted i cant make this one as i did a little praccy last night and the ford felt quite nice round here, but i cant miss Liverpool v Real Madrid  :o

Go Liverpool!!!!!!!! (Barcelona fan = anti-Madridist :P)


I'm not gonna miss the race though. What a brilliant track 8) please no rain...


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: purdie on March 10, 2009, 02:55:58 PM +0000
i'm a semi football and liverpool fan..... but never been to a match and I have tickets for this sat against utd at old trafford. I might have to take my iPod with engine sounds over the top........i think Murrary Walker needs to commentate to get me really into it!  :D anyhooo :offtopic: hehe

Jorgan and i were testing the DBR9 around here last night before the GPL race kicked us off........ it will be great for the enduro! great rhythmn with those typically american sweeping corners   :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Legzy on March 10, 2009, 03:05:53 PM +0000
Yeah, had four of us on later & it really is a class circuit IMO. Time was down to a 2:03 by the end but I'm hoping for a little more tonight.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Gazza49er on March 10, 2009, 03:51:29 PM +0000
Very jealous Purdie  :o

quite a game for your first one lol, dont wear your liverpool shirt there though whatever you do  ;)



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Legzy on March 10, 2009, 09:04:41 PM +0000
Fathead Bichir, Fathead Bichir, Fathead Bichir

Got dropped by server three times in qually! Made it to race start at the back of the grid... Got quarter of the way round pace lap & I got dropped again!

 :taz: :taz: :taz:

Nothing wrong my end, good connection speed for me (checked after each drop out). This is also the 1st time I've suffered the ongoing 'qually drop-out' problems our GTR2 league seems to be suffering this last 3 months. I saw loads of other people dropping out tonight too. Hope there's someone left to finish the race!  ::)

 :'( :'( :'(

As there are no upcoming P&G races, can I suggest uninstalling it from the server for the next week? At a minimum it will rule that out as the conflict that is surely coincidence with its arrival.  :-\


p.s. All my graphics are on the minimum settings & it was obviously fixed weather. So something else was causing the probs tonight.
p.p.s. Fathead Bichir = a well named fish)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Lubi325i on March 10, 2009, 09:14:30 PM +0000
Not another great race for me I'm afraid. I liked the circuit, and just about managed a 2.05 in practice over the last couple of days which I was happy with. I wasn't anywhere near that sort of pace today.
Was really struggling with the conditions in quali and of course the race.
(Really sorry to Jon, (I think) for the slight contact on the formation lap :oops:)
I had a couple of spins and thought it best I quit before I did anything else stupid.
Hope you all had a good race.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: lazlow on March 10, 2009, 09:38:54 PM +0000
YAAAA TAAAA...2nd place  :jumpjoy:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: JPS on March 10, 2009, 09:41:12 PM +0000
Tough circuit and tougher still in damp conditions :o

Kept it together to finish 13th/14th I think, some great battles along the way, Gymer brothers and a couple of others, all clean stuff, tyres were shot towards the end, I think I was driving on fabric :o on the fronts.

Sorry to see you go out TT, you seem to be slicing through the field 8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: lazlow on March 10, 2009, 09:44:30 PM +0000
I echo the server problems....ctd'd twice during quali ???


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Josè Arrogantio on March 10, 2009, 09:51:27 PM +0000
Never really driven here before today and had only managed to do an hour of practice.
Had good speed but made silly errors. Sorry if I made some bad rejoins :thumbdown:
Spent the second half trying to gain experience and not get in anybodys way.
Collected TT in one of my spins, I clipped the bridge and it pushed my car back on track.
Sorry TT  :wetfish:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: H@L9000 on March 10, 2009, 09:53:14 PM +0000
Great race again. ;D

Sorry to Napo, who I knocked off the track. :-[ It was a shame because Busi was NOT building a massively comfortable cushion of time like he normally does. ::)

Lots of battles after that. ;D A good one with Napo and another good one with spanner and mr_oily ;D

Love the track but, I bet mt lap record was beaten :(

Well done podiums :)

Shame TT :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: purdie on March 10, 2009, 09:54:18 PM +0000
fun but frustrating race  ::)

got ctd in practice and then again 5 mins before the end of quali. Managed to reset the computer in time (just to be safe) and i started near the back without a time  :-\ along with a few other ctd victims.

Managed to get up to 10th in the race and had some really fun battles! Had a great tussle with Truetom  :P and I was on his backside when we came across Jose who made contact with him so I pulled a gap. Then I made a mistake and TT was on my backside and I couldn't pull a gap  :D  :P

A few laps after...... Jose ran wide onto the grass and hit a wall bouncing across the track  :-X... I just missed him but TT had a full on T-bone (that didn't sound right hahahaha :clown:) crash with Jose  >:( which put him out.

I then spun myself and damaged my front suspension, I tried limping back to the pits to get it repaired but was quite slow and started holding people up so I quit  :-\

The Aston handled beautifully on soft/med and the track was awesome  O0 ....looking forward to the 997 RSR in the enduro :D



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Prof on March 10, 2009, 09:54:54 PM +0000
That was quite fun. I re-joined late and lost my (good for me) lap time starting at the back. I had some fun trying to keep Shark Boss behind me whilst picking off some spinners. Everytime Shark got past he seemed to make a mistake at the next corner and I regained the place. Hope I wasn't too far in the way boss.  ;D

I kept a steady pace to the end before making a noobie error on the last corner and giving a place for free to Jorgen. Still ten places gained from qually is a good show for me.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Busi on March 10, 2009, 10:00:49 PM +0000
Love the track but, I bet mt lap record was beaten :(

hehe it was, I managed a high 1:59 in race ;D didnt expect that really.

I practiced yesterday cause I didn't have time today. Joined and was into the 2:00's until I managed a nice low 1:59 in quali (thank god the track was almost dry! :) )

Jose started very aggressive from 2nd and overtook me into the 2nd corner, but a mistake let me back at the lead to keep it till the chequered flag. Perfect race. Love the track, could've been lapping around for 3 hours ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: H@L9000 on March 10, 2009, 10:04:23 PM +0000
I managed a high 1:59 in race ;D didnt expect that really.

LOL.

 :alien:

Believe.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Truetom on March 10, 2009, 10:06:29 PM +0000
fun but frustrating race  ::)

got ctd in practice and then again 5 mins before the end of quali. Managed to reset the computer in time (just to be safe) and i started near the back without a time  :-\ along with a few other ctd victims.

Managed to get up to 10th in the race and had some really fun battles! Had a great tussle with Truetom  :P and I was on his backside when we came across Jose who made contact with him so I pulled a gap. Then I made a mistake and TT was on my backside and I couldn't pull a gap  :D  :P

A few laps after...... Jose ran wide onto the grass and hit a wall bouncing across the track  :-X... I just missed him but TT had a full on T-bone (that didn't sound right hahahaha :clown:) crash with Jose  >:( which put him out.

I then spun myself and damaged my front suspension, I tried limping back to the pits to get it repaired but was quite slow and started holding people up so I quit  :-\

The Aston handled beautifully on soft/med and the track was awesome  O0 ....looking forward to the 997 RSR in the enduro :D

Thanks for our report; purdie.  :D  Nothing to add, really. I'm just a bit sad that instead of attacking a Champ title I got DNF.  :no:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: picnic on March 10, 2009, 10:09:26 PM +0000
Tonight seemed a bad night for CTDs :( Combination of new cars and 3rd party track? First one I've had in a very long time, then missed the start because I don't think my Start button every went green so I could join  :-\

As there are no upcoming P&G races, can I suggest uninstalling it from the server for the next week?
I'd be more inclined to think that it's the clients with this problem. The server has a completely separate copy of GT2 with the PnG mod installed in to that. That GTR2 and the GTL practive server are shutdown prior to starting a fresh GTR2 for the actual race event.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: picnic on March 10, 2009, 10:22:02 PM +0000
Which of the 'Jon' drivers was racing as "dickbelly" tonight in the Aston :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 10, 2009, 10:30:16 PM +0000
I needed to have spent time practising here to spot some obvious problems with the setup, not least of which was front brakes which never really warmed up. Still, 12th wasn't a bad result in the circumstances and I only had a few stupid offs. :laugh: Great battle with Jorgen's DBR9 in particular. 8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Mark J on March 10, 2009, 10:30:49 PM +0000
another GT1 round for me to forget  :-[  Only myself to blame as didnt manage to put in a single lap of practise in a GT1 car here. (i ran some laps last week in a GT2) and wasnt intending to race tonight, but decided to run late on.

Used my spa setup with a couple of minor tweaks to suit the damp, but the C6 understeered like a cruise liner. Spent most of the race near the back of the grid after two ctd's in qually, and then a couple of early offs in the damp at start of race.  :(

Ctds seem to reach epidemic proportions during qually  :-\

Nice track, must be awesome in an ALMS car, especially the prototypes  8) Looking forward to running the RSR here as i felt pretty quick in praccy here last week.  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Napo on March 10, 2009, 10:35:28 PM +0000
Well I was looking to get a podium today with the viper advantage. Decent qual. on the formation lap I had an over enthusiastic Road Runner in my rear throughout the formation lap and he promptly rammed into me going into the limiter phase for the start. Really unnecessary to be driving like that on the formation lap. As for the race start it was looking good, I had a lil moment going into the caroussel corner and banged into Jose. We all continued fine and going into canada corner I figured I had Jose beat but he blew right by me into the gravel. :D

After that I looked to stay with Hal and Busi. Caught up to Hal then going into canada corner, I'm not sure if I scared Hal but he opened a gap for me and let me by. After that I got a another lil moment at caroussel and then turned in and got nudged off by Hal. After that the race was tough as my tires were going away at this point. I was pretty much fighting defensive battles now. Hal caught up to me after kindly waiting for me. My fronts were just gone and I put a wheel off. I held Road Runner behind me until the last lap until he got me at turn 3. I don't know why I opened the gap cuz I was entitled to close it...but now I see why Hal might have opened the door for me at canada corner as it looked similar.  :D

This cold weather really doesn't suit the viper having to run softs to keep decent temp. Had I been able to stay at the front I think a podium was still possible despite the tire wear. Short of my expectations but that's racing. :)

Congrats to Busi on the dominant win. :)

As always thanks for having me again. :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Napo on March 10, 2009, 10:37:32 PM +0000
Nice track, must be awesome in an ALMS car, especially the prototypes  8)

I drive in an alms league I can tell you the track is a blast to drive in the prototypes.  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Jorgen Wahlby on March 10, 2009, 10:39:34 PM +0000
Well that was intense  :o
I did a reasonably good quali time (think i ended up 9'th) but just as I was about to go out and test my "racesetup" my PC froze and I had to do a reboot. Came back in when it was 30 sec left so all I had time to do was to choose the right amount of fuel and tires and get out on the grid where I started nearly last with one of the Gymer brothers  ;) (Guess I wasn't the only one to have a freeze... eahh Dave :angel:)
Drove the pace lap trying to find a way to mentally focus on the race... and ended up in the gravel on the second lap  :taz: :whistling:
After that I drove like a man possessed  >:D
I had some really good battles with Dave, JPS and some others but due to my lack of racing nerve I lost my concentration a couple of times and the drivers that I had struggled to overtake, passed me and I had to start all over again  :fencing:
Last lap I could smell the frustration when I passed Prof that last corner before start/finish line... ;) I'w been there and done that Prof.. know the feeling  :'(
As Busi said 3 hours lapping here would be AWSOME...  ;D

Grats to podium and to all fellow drivers. / Jorgen W



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 10, 2009, 10:42:36 PM +0000
(Guess I wasn't the only one to have a freeze... eahh Dave :angel:)

I didn't have a freeze or a CTD - I was just very slow! :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Jorgen Wahlby on March 10, 2009, 10:48:12 PM +0000
(Guess I wasn't the only one to have a freeze... eahh Dave :angel:)

I didn't have a freeze or a CTD - I was just very slow! :laugh:

 Nhaa I don't think your slow... If we ask your old lady I guess she says the opposite  ;D (sorry for the bad joke)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 11, 2009, 09:03:47 AM +0000
That was quite fun. I re-joined late and lost my (good for me) lap time starting at the back. I had some fun trying to keep Shark Boss behind me whilst picking off some spinners. Everytime Shark got past he seemed to make a mistake at the next corner and I regained the place. Hope I wasn't too far in the way boss.  ;D

LOL, no Prof. At first I couldn't even keep in your slipstream in my Lambo (despite 2-6 wing), but eventually when I worked out how to get a good enough run out of the final corner, my extra speed meant the slipstream was just enough to get me along side before braking. As you say, I seemed to then not manage the next couple of corners or so without letting you by again.  ;D

Another CTD for me in qually, meant I only just got back in at all and started at the back, although I think I could have been half way up the grid.

I think there are a few things that could be causing the huge number of CTDs (not discos!)...
1) Clients with PnG installed in the same directory as their main GTR2.
2) Something wrong with one of the cars in the car pack.
3) Something wrong with the third party track.

My CTD happened when someone else joined (Legzy), I think he was driving a standard car with no skin, but I wonder if some car file or championship file or whatever gets edited (that isn't the textures) that has caused some problem even with the standard cars too.

This problem seems to be getting worse and I bet the addon track last night didn't help, but again, how many people CTD'd in the race (NOT disco, CTD) as I didn't think anyone got CTD in race did they?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Mark J on March 11, 2009, 10:15:39 AM +0000
i think your right Simon, most ctds tend to happen in praccy and qually, very few in the race proper. Not sure why that would be though  ???

I suspect some dodgy car textures/files in the new add on cars. I think H@L or someone mentioned on the skinning thread that some of the cars were badly packed or excessive in size etc. Perhaps that combined with simbins dodgy netcode is enough to cause the ctds as people join/re-join during the early sesh's.  :-\

Maybe the skinning/paintshop experts among us can go through the add on car files with a finer toothcomb  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 11, 2009, 10:49:12 AM +0000
finer toothcomb  :)

Linguistic police: "finer toothed comb" - a toothcomb would only be needed if you have hairy teeth!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 11, 2009, 11:01:27 AM +0000
Of course the BIG difference between Q and Race is that nobody JOINS the server during the race. :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Phil Gilliland on March 11, 2009, 11:02:50 AM +0000
finer toothcomb  :)

Linguistic police: "finer toothed comb" - a toothcomb would only be needed if you have hairy teeth!

Punctuation police: "finer-toothed comb". "Finer" and "toothed" are two adjectives modifying the noun "comb", and as such constitute a compound modifier. Compound modifiers must contain a hyphen.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: picnic on March 11, 2009, 11:06:36 AM +0000
Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20090310%20U9US/index.html)

Jon entered as a guest for now.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Legzy on March 11, 2009, 11:07:58 AM +0000
Another CTD for me in qually, meant I only just got back in at all and started at the back, although I think I could have been half way up the grid.

I think there are a few things that could be causing the huge number of CTDs (not discos!)...
1) Clients with PnG installed in the same directory as their main GTR2.
2) Something wrong with one of the cars in the car pack.
3) Something wrong with the third party track.

My CTD happened when someone else joined (Legzy), I think he was driving a standard car with no skin, but I wonder if some car file or championship file or whatever gets edited (that isn't the textures) that has caused some problem even with the standard cars too.

This problem seems to be getting worse and I bet the addon track last night didn't help, but again, how many people CTD'd in the race (NOT disco, CTD) as I didn't think anyone got CTD in race did they?
I got CTD'd on the Pace lap. Also, as we don't want to stop people joining during qually (I wouldn't have thought)...

A) I was driving the Team Oldie Lister which I've used all season & have not had a problem with (till last night).
B) My PnG install is in it's own separate directory.
C) We used the same Road America track last season with the GT3's & a 23 car grid with out such problems.

I've literally only just installed it all on this PC. This was my 2nd GTR2 race with it (no probs on Sunday). But as it's been suggested that "it's possibly the clients with the problems", I've been racking my brain trying to think what's different between the old PC & this one.
My differences:
1) The Hardware obviously.
2) My new install doesn't have loads of 3rd party tracks/cars installed. (surely that's a good thing)
3) I'm now using GTRXD instead of GTRPD.
4) On the old PC I was using car packs 2.8.9.1 (for GT1 & 2) & on this one I downloaded the new 2.9.1.0 versions.
5) I transferred my driving profile to this PC, while it was the original when on my old one.

So can we try narrowing this down. It's frustrating for everyone putting in the practice & then getting kicked out.

Please state if you have or have not suffered a CTD in qually recently?
Followed by if you're using GTRXD/GTRPD/None?
If you're using car packs versions 2.8.9.1 or the new 2.9.1.0?
If you copied your driver profile from another location?

Maybe we can get to the bottom of it sooner rather then later .


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Paul968 on March 11, 2009, 11:13:04 AM +0000
According to the lead developer of P&G, CTDs is GTR2 can happen when clients have different sets of files in their installs.  With all the different packs there must be a lot of scope for differences. Maybe we should try to get a standard set up that everyone can use and then do a test race to see if things improve?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: ross.mcw on March 11, 2009, 12:00:44 PM +0000
Which of the 'Jon' drivers was racing as "dickbelly" tonight in the Aston :-\

Apologies for the confusion, Jon is a friend of mine I'm trying to get interested so he hopped on at the last minute.  Jon/dickbelly would be the slower of the two Jons I'm sure!  He'll hopefully be joining up properly asap (I asked him to get signed into the forum asap after the race anyhow).

Cheers, Ross.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: ross.mcw on March 11, 2009, 12:05:00 PM +0000
Lack of practice didn't do me any good here despite a great set-up from Oily (thanks!).  Apologies to Purdie for sliding in front of you on about lap 2, I was cursing you at the time, but checking the replay you couldn't avoid tapping me so definitely my mistake.

Also apologies for Jonzo as you got caught up behind me as I set off again following the spin.

Cheers, Ross.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Mark J on March 11, 2009, 12:05:39 PM +0000

Please state if you have or have not suffered a CTD in qually recently?
Followed by if you're using GTRXD/GTRPD/None?
If you're using car packs versions 2.8.9.1 or the new 2.9.1.0?
If you copied your driver profile from another location?

Maybe we can get to the bottom of it sooner rather then later .

I have only suffered these drop outs since the latest skin/car pack with the newer addon cars.
I use both GTRXD and GTR2PD
Car pack 2.9.1.0
Copied my profile from previous installs of GTR2 (tho not sure what the profile might contain that would affect anything?)

I have wondered whether there are file bits/mods that have got carried over from previous installs of GTR2, but i think i am using a fairly new fresh install as i only re-formatted my HD a couple of months ago. For instance, i use a more realistic Motec Dash mod.
I would think the only way to try and eliminate potential probs would be to run some single make races as a test...ie a grid full of DBR9's etc but that would be lengthy.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 11, 2009, 12:14:09 PM +0000
I too only suffered these CTDs with recent car packs and the addon cars (imho addon cars are much more likely to be the culprits than skinned cars). I still never get discos (reliable cable connection), only ever hangs (which on Vista are CTDs really).
I use GTRXD only now, but have run with both that and GTR2PD and suffered the same.
Car pack is latest.
My GTR2 for UKGTR is a clean one copied from a base GTR2 clean install I have a backup of. It only has stuff used in UKGTR and whatever was in the original game.
My profile is copied for all GTR2 folders I have.
I run ATI 4870 1Gb graphics card.
OS is Vista 64.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Truetom on March 11, 2009, 12:22:05 PM +0000
Shouldn't this be in a separate topic?  ;)

I didn't have any problems even with the new GTR2 pack while in testing/pre season. I keep getting CTDs (at least one per event, except in U9UE Dubai where there were non) after my P&Gv2 install. I have it in a separate dir, btw.
I also have a new PC, but the problems are equal, so it must be software, not hardware issue.  :(

Gawd, let us keep the new pack. :(   


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: lazlow on March 11, 2009, 12:29:05 PM +0000
Just a thought.....I can't remember having any ctd problems during the pre-season races, can anyone confirm this?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: picnic on March 11, 2009, 12:37:27 PM +0000
Apologies for the confusion, Jon is a friend of mine I'm trying to get interested so he hopped on at the last minute.  Jon/dickbelly would be the slower of the two Jons I'm sure!  He'll hopefully be joining up properly asap (I asked him to get signed into the forum asap after the race anyhow).

Thanks Ross, that'll be the Jon who registered shortly after the end of last night's race then. Guess he got lucky guessing the password  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Truetom on March 11, 2009, 12:46:08 PM +0000
Guess he got lucky guessing the password  ::)

 :lol:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: ross.mcw on March 11, 2009, 12:55:56 PM +0000
Apologies for the confusion, Jon is a friend of mine I'm trying to get interested so he hopped on at the last minute.  Jon/dickbelly would be the slower of the two Jons I'm sure!  He'll hopefully be joining up properly asap (I asked him to get signed into the forum asap after the race anyhow).

Thanks Ross, that'll be the Jon who registered shortly after the end of last night's race then. Guess he got lucky guessing the password  ::)

Yeah, I know I know, sorry.  It was very last minute and I'd asked him to sign up first but of course he hadn't and it was 8pm.  Not ideal really.  I blame Oily for everything.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: mr_oily on March 11, 2009, 01:08:10 PM +0000
Really enjoyed last night's race - Aston felt great under braking although there was the odd brown trouser moment where I wasn't quite sure I'd scrub the speed off in time to miss the cars that seemed almost parked on the apexes at times, overall though the track was a joy and had great fun blasting around the place with fellow greenie Spanner even if we weren't in the hunt for any silverware.

Hope to race here again soon in something old! Although while historics would be great, I do also have a soft spot for those ALMS cars also so might well have to investigate further - which league do you race in if you don't mind me asking Napo?

Grats podium people, good stuff Lazlow and another solid finish from new recruit Ross...steadily building up that pace ;)

Castle Coombe's going to be err...interesting if the public Evo servers are anything to go by.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: H@L9000 on March 11, 2009, 01:24:24 PM +0000
Please state if you have or have not suffered a CTD in qually recently?
Followed by if you're using GTRXD/GTRPD/None?
If you're using car packs versions 2.8.9.1 or the new 2.9.1.0?
If you copied your driver profile from another location?

CTD during qualy in 2 of the last 3 races. Seemed to be when many other people were leaving/entering the server.

GTR2 XD
car pack 2.9.1.0
Never copy the profile, just make a new one after reinstalling Window$ and re-establish the same on-line user name. Same with the .PLR file.

It was the templates of the new cars that I was referring to in that other thread MJ. Some of them are a nightmare to work with. But that would not affect (did I get it right this time Dave? ;D) the use of the cars on-line. I know very little about the actual car files.

I have had my weather file on read only for the last few races by accident. Not sure if that would cause any problems. My GTR2 XD was giving the wrong ambient temps for a couple of races. I think that was because of the weather file being set to read only. :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Truetom on March 11, 2009, 01:36:20 PM +0000
Had good speed but made silly errors. Sorry if I made some bad rejoins :thumbdown:

What I would do in your place after a bad rejoin:
- I would wait for you to overtake me, no matter how many lost places it would mean
- I would send you a PM and explained my view or some such. PMs make wonders...  ;)
- would make a report of myself

Might write down a hundred times: "Better safe than sorry."  ;D

Collected TT in one of my spins, I clipped the bridge and it pushed my car back on track.
Sorry TT  :wetfish:

This is a racing incident and can happen to anybody, especialy in with the slippery surface condition. Happened to me as well. But I did the above steps anyway.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Legzy on March 11, 2009, 03:25:58 PM +0000
Early days, but one common answer so far seems to be the 2.9.1.0 car (skin) pack.

Is anyone CTD'ing in qually who's still using the 2.8.9.1 car pack? (that was used successfully in preseason)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Napo on March 11, 2009, 04:16:34 PM +0000
Hope to race here again soon in something old! Although while historics would be great, I do also have a soft spot for those ALMS cars also so might well have to investigate further - which league do you race in if you don't mind me asking Napo?

www.northamericangp.com, race is on saturday so I don't think it conflicts with any leagues here? not sure when GTL races. Just browse the forum and go into saturday league section. they're going to do a 2nd season after this one is over with updates to the mod. Oh yea and you should know that having a headset is a requirement as they use ventrilo to communicate.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Roadrunner on March 11, 2009, 07:08:31 PM +0000
Well I was looking to get a podium today with the viper advantage. Decent qual. on the formation lap I had an over enthusiastic Road Runner in my rear throughout the formation lap and he promptly rammed into me going into the limiter phase for the start. Really unnecessary to be driving like that on the formation lap.


Well considering i was no where near ya for the most part...pretty impressive stuff by me i guess, 2 places at once  ;D...yeah..did touch you coming to the line (for which im sorry), but thats rather different to ramming last time i checked...you seem to forget that GTR2 dosent exactly have the best collision detection....an considering the closer to the end of the lap we got, the further you dropped back from the cars infront...not just your race that gets messed up but everyone behind ya...so might want to keep that in mind for the next one!!!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Jon on March 11, 2009, 07:43:19 PM +0000
Hi guys,

Yep it's me Jon the rookie. I had great fun last night. I've done a fair few on-line games but they're all like stock car racing - you guys are not only very fast but also very polite.

I'll be back!! That's if you want me too, of course  ;)

Cheers, Jon.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Napo on March 11, 2009, 07:52:13 PM +0000
Well I was looking to get a podium today with the viper advantage. Decent qual. on the formation lap I had an over enthusiastic Road Runner in my rear throughout the formation lap and he promptly rammed into me going into the limiter phase for the start. Really unnecessary to be driving like that on the formation lap.


Well considering i was no where near ya for the most part...pretty impressive stuff by me i guess, 2 places at once  ;D...yeah..did touch you coming to the line (for which im sorry), but thats rather different to ramming last time i checked...you seem to forget that GTR2 dosent exactly have the best collision detection....an considering the closer to the end of the lap we got, the further you dropped back from the cars infront...not just your race that gets messed up but everyone behind ya...so might want to keep that in mind for the next one!!!

I'm new to gtr2 so I don't really have any knowledge in GTR2 collision detection. "further I dropped back" There's a straight, we caught up to them going into canada corner. I'm experienced enough in online racing to know that driving so closely to the driver in front and having another one same behind you is the way accidents happen on formation laps. Especially when speeding up on a straight and then braking again for the corner. This isn't green after the last corner, it's green after you cross the start/finish line. Ample amounts of time for everyone to slot in safely with a shorter field even with a larger field. Pitlane limiter is like 59 kph or something. So saying I wasn't thinking about it is nonsense. Look at the replay you see that everyone slots in. You understand collision detection yet still managed to get into me... I understand you weren't trying to hit me on purpose but perhaps exercise a bit more caution.  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Truetom on March 11, 2009, 08:46:12 PM +0000
Hi guys,

Yep it's me Jon the rookie. I had great fun last night. I've done a fair few on-line games but they're all like stock car racing - you guys are not only very fast but also very polite.

I'll be back!! That's if you want me too, of course  ;)

Cheers, Jon.

Welcome Jon. Hope to see more of you.  :)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Roadrunner on March 11, 2009, 09:26:31 PM +0000
Well I was looking to get a podium today with the viper advantage. Decent qual. on the formation lap I had an over enthusiastic Road Runner in my rear throughout the formation lap and he promptly rammed into me going into the limiter phase for the start. Really unnecessary to be driving like that on the formation lap.


Well considering i was no where near ya for the most part...pretty impressive stuff by me i guess, 2 places at once  ;D...yeah..did touch you coming to the line (for which im sorry), but thats rather different to ramming last time i checked...you seem to forget that GTR2 dosent exactly have the best collision detection....an considering the closer to the end of the lap we got, the further you dropped back from the cars infront...not just your race that gets messed up but everyone behind ya...so might want to keep that in mind for the next one!!!

I'm new to gtr2 so I don't really have any knowledge in GTR2 collision detection. "further I dropped back" There's a straight, we caught up to them going into canada corner. I'm experienced enough in online racing to know that driving so closely to the driver in front and having another one same behind you is the way accidents happen on formation laps. Especially when speeding up on a straight and then braking again for the corner. This isn't green after the last corner, it's green after you cross the start/finish line. Ample amounts of time for everyone to slot in safely with a shorter field even with a larger field. Pitlane limiter is like 59 kph or something. So saying I wasn't thinking about it is nonsense. Look at the replay you see that everyone slots in. You understand collision detection yet still managed to get into me... I understand you weren't trying to hit me on purpose but perhaps exercise a bit more caution.  :)


Yes i know...been here long enough...but cant be bothered with petty arguments...you win...enjoy


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 11, 2009, 10:08:05 PM +0000
Guys, please do not discuss incidents on the forums. Exchange apologies via PMs or report bad driving using the incident reporting system. Do not discuss them in public or before long we will descend into slanging matches. >:( >:( >:(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Legzy on March 12, 2009, 12:02:54 PM +0000
Early days, but one common answer so far seems to be the 2.9.1.0 car (skin) pack.
Is anyone CTD'ing in qually who's still using the 2.8.9.1 car pack? (that was used successfully in preseason)
As nobody has said they 'qually CTD' while using the 2.8.9.1 car pack, I'm going to remove 2.9.1.0 from my PC & revert back to 2.8.9.1

If I start CTD'ing in qually we'll know it's something else.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 12, 2009, 12:41:53 PM +0000
As nobody has said they 'qually CTD' while using the 2.8.9.1 car pack, I'm going to remove 2.9.1.0 from my PC & revert back to 2.8.9.1
If I start CTD'ing in qually we'll know it's something else.

Bear in mind that you won't be able to join the server with the wrong pack version...


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Legzy on March 12, 2009, 01:09:49 PM +0000
As nobody has said they 'qually CTD' while using the 2.8.9.1 car pack, I'm going to remove 2.9.1.0 from my PC & revert back to 2.8.9.1
If I start CTD'ing in qually we'll know it's something else.
Bear in mind that you won't be able to join the server with the wrong pack version...

Thanks Dave & I will be sure to test it in advance, but I should be fine with 2.8.9.1 shouldn't I?
Quote
UKGTR GT1 Skins for car pack 2.9.1.0 (FileFront)
Without this you will only see original GTR2 skins and 'default' schemes on skinned GT1 cars.
You do not need this is you have the 2.8.9.1 experimental GT1 skins pack installed.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Road America (Full) - Mar 10
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 12, 2009, 01:37:29 PM +0000
That's just the skins themselves - you might as well try running with no skins at all. In fact that's probably a better plan - remove the skin packs. You'll get 'ugly' cars for the most part.

The car pack, ie. the physics pack, must match versions.