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UKGPL Season 17 - Novices Trophy - Race 3 - 65 mod - Kyalami

The third race of the Novices Trophy is at Kyalami, a circuit which was built in 1961 and first raced by F1 in 1966 following a major upgrade.  The long straight should offer much potential for slipstreaming, but care is need at Crowthorne, especially on lap one, and I'd suggest that drivers ensure that they are familiar with both the inside and outside line there.

The championship has yet to settle down, though I'd expect front-runners to start to emerge after this round and the next one.

Ensure you have the pit wall in place.  The standard papy track has a pit wall but there are patches available that remove it.  The absence of a pit wall will not stop you joining the race but anybody seen miraculously driving through the pit wall on the server replay will be disqualified.

Please use the updated 65 mod for this race  

The 65 mod update has surprised us as it was a low-key announcement, and it isn't available on the 'Legends of 65' home site, where the 65 mod is hosted.  However, the effort put into it certainly merits a season's testing, without which feedback and any further development would be made difficult.

The updated layout features are very welcome, with the ability to record best lap times at addon tracks and to have 65 specific tracks. The new collision boxes are also a great improvement.  Though the new slipstream code will need extensive testing, the preliminary race seemed to show that it would be a definite improvement in racing terms, without the controversy over its extent, as with the 66 mod.

It seems a pity that the opportunity wasn't taken for more extensive changes to the 65 mod, especially as this means that we'll be racing cars that have compensation for the absence of slipstream built into the top speed, yet with slipstream present.  Though it might be a consideration that an update with corrected and slower speeds would then not be useful for rank, as the cars would be slower, rank should always take second place to realism, and the ranks could continue with the original mod.  However, an extensive reworking of the 65 mod might have taken resources that aren't available to the community.  While I'm disappointed because I'm not keen on the concept of patches that make the carsets faster without regard to realism, at least it's still possible that we could still have a 65 mod v3 based on the 66 physics and made incompatible by the addition of extra cars to prevent the unrealistic faster 2.02 mod being used by overcompetitive racers.

Thanks to all involved with producing the update.  If the new slipsteam code works as well as it seems it might, perhaps it could help persuade the authors of the 66 mod to rework their code as well!

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:55 p.m.
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Race date = 29-03-2009
Time = 21:00
Track = Kyalami
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = INT
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = long (24 laps)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=206;theme=6)

CHASSIS ALLOCATION

Ferrari Norbert Roguk Fabio
Lotus Al Vos Mike Scott
BRM Billy Hezemans Hurtubise JamesRye
BT11 Graham Maestro Clutch Nhance
Honda Bookie
Cooper Asbjeurn* Ian* Steve B* Steve B2* Geoff* Bernie* Nicky*
BT7 Aulden Burt* Glyn

*drivers also assigned an Amateurs chassis

65 Mod

These were the 65 drivers
BT7 Bonnier, Baghetti, Hulme (Bonnier drove for Walker)
BT11 Brabham Gurney Gardner Anderson Siffert (Siffert drove for Walker, Gardner and Anderson were privateers)
Lotus Clark Spence Rodriguez Mitter Russo Solana (and Maggs Hailwood Attwood Amon and Ireland for Parnell)
Ferrari Surtees Bandini Rodriguez Vaccarella Bondurant Scarfiotti
Honda Ginther Bucknum
Cooper McLaren Rindt
BRM Hill Stewart

The 1965 season was the last to use the controversial 1500cc formula which had begun after 1960, to the initial advantage of Ferrari.  The 1965 cars are smaller than the 1967 cars and have less torque and hence more grip.  It was claimed that they 'cornered on rails', however this allowed the Grand Prix series to retain the use of circuits which were otherwise to prove extremely dangerous.

The 1965 cars are ideal for those new to GPL as they allow the tracks to be learnt in light reliable cars, however these are also full Formula One cars, and quite fast.... the South African Grand Prix was at East London in 1965.

David Wright's 'Legends' site http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/  (http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/) has the download of the 2.0.1 version (under 'details') as well as being an exceptional guide to both 1965 and 1967, for those interested in Formula One history.  The 2.02 update is available here: http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/1965mod_PATCH_v2.0.2_Setup.zip (http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/1965mod_PATCH_v2.0.2_Setup.zip)

Hi

I may be missing something, but how / where do i get the pit wall from?

I currently run a Graphically Updated version of Kyalami that doesn't have a pit wall, but even on my 'original version' that i had when i first loaded up GPL off the original disk using the all in one installer at GPLPS there was no Pit wall. I have reinstalled the original version to check and no wall.

I think i remember reading on Igor Chat the other week that someone said you just have to alter one of the files within the Kyalami folder, but i could be wrong??

If anyone could point me in the right direction it would be most appreciated  :)

Apologies if i've missed something obvious.

Many Thanks
Clutch

If you have installed the GFX update that removes the pitwall here is how to get it back for the race .

1. Rename or remove kyalami.trk and kyalami.3do files from your kyalami folder.

That will give you back a wall you can crash your car into , if you want the old papy Armco GFX back for the wall do this .

2. Rename or remove Armco_s.mip.

What does this refer to ? did I miss something here  :-\

because of the higher numbers this season in 65s, drivers with an asterisk are free to race in either Novices or Amaterus but will not get the same chassis allocation in both divisions.

Why not just make things complicated   ::)

Thanks for the advice Miner2049er!

I've now got a big Armco to the right of the main straight so that should do it for the race. Still no sign of a wall, but the Armco should do. I assume it follows the same markings as the wall? Don't want to be disqualified after all.

I think when i first installed GPL using the all in one installer, i also used a Track Update Installer that was also on the GPL Preservation Society site. I assume this gave Kyalami a slight makeover and removed the wall as i've never seen a wall there before since i've owned the game.

Anyway, thanks again and see you on Track.

Clutch

For pit wall read Armco.  You shouldn't have any problems with your installation now ;)

Best thank John Roberts, I quoted what he sent to me. ;)

Looking forward to it Clutch.

Excellent advice it is too!

I have renamed them to get the pit wall to appear but I will now create a folder called Pit Wall in the Kyalami folder an lob them in there along with a readme so that I can remember what to do next time.

I'll be there. This time with the pit wall installed. ;)

Just out of interest doing (1) only gives me a grass pitwall - suits me fine  :)

Same here vosblod, nice green grass wall ??? :laugh: ??? :laugh:

Running in 5th and my internet connection died  :2guns: :2guns: :2guns:
Sh*t happens  ;D

Microsoft force feedback wheel faliure meant I had to disconnect from the race on lap 15. :cursing: :cursing:

I qualified in P2, after an epic battle for Pole. I cant remember names, but the guy on pole lead and had the legs on me until he had a spin. Then James closed on me fast after a bit of confusion with lapping someone. He was very close and drove really well to hassle me for a number of laps, until he suddenly dropped 4secs.

Anyway, James was real fast and was bringing the gap down slowly and then bang, the microsoft sidewinder wheel was still working, but suddenly i could not brake or accelerate. And it was over... ???

I would just like to say thankyou to some of the cars that I lapped for moving offline, some people were so nice that they even lifted right off.

Qualified 8th, got smashed out by another Cooper in the start, and (again) I had to wait for the field to pass before I could rejoin. Tiptoed through another havoc on the front straight, and got out of it somewhere behind the middle of the field. passed a few others, and was in a fight with two others for a few laps, until I made a couple of mistakes that took me out of any fight for position, and ended up sixth, more as a result of others' mistakes and disco's than my own efforts. Not very satisfactory. Hope for a better race next time.

Not sure what happened here.

Qualified 3rd i think. Did a few more qually laps to try and improve but no luck. Saw the chequered flag meaning the end of qualifying so pulled over and ESC'd to the pits. Others were still out on Track putting in final laps. Saw on the CHAT the usual 'GLA' messages etc and i'm sure someone put 'End qually' or some such phrase?
I then saw a countdown of around 7 seconds. I heard no car sound or anything then after a while noticed a car drive over the start line. I thought this must have been the last person to put in a qualifying lap. After then seeing another couple of cars pass the start line in crash formation i hit the green button which had just appeared. My car appeared in the Pits. I wondered if there had been some sort of error so set off to ESC back to the Pits, but it suddendly dawned on me that the race must have started!
Looking at Pribuda all cars were in 'red' which i know means they have lapped me. I couldn't quite believe my eyes and felt totally gutted. I'm confused, and even if i'd missed the start, i can't have been one 1 lap late?

3rd place grid slot thrown away, i ploughed on, driving like a man possessed. I just seemed to be passing car after car and wasn't overtaken by anyone. I also noticed that i wasn't lapped by the leaders at any point, and yet i'm showing as a lap down, presumably as i sarted from the pits?

Great win for Mike, he's becoming a championship contender. I like to be up there but if a decent end to the season hinges on this race, the computer and wheel are going out the window!!

On reflection the racing was fantastic. I've rarely got into such a good rhythem and passed as many people, even though i appeared to be unlapping myself passed cars which i'm sure hadn't passed me.

Ah well, its all good fun. On to Imola.. what a set up nightmare.

Happy to scratch home a lonely P6 after the startline melee.

Thought at first I'd got away with a light dent or two, then I got clobbered for a second time and found myself launched into oblivion.

Then the dreaded "track is not clear" message was shown untill the world and his dog had passed.

Spa start was blamed on the close grid formation ! Not so this time ,maybe we should set off at 10 sec intervals ala Isle of Man TT races  ::)





 

Yer right, that start was a mess!  I purposely wanted to be at the back of the grid to avoid any melee at T1.  I crossed the s/f line, looked aside for a sec and there were all these cars sideways on the track in front of me.  Bang, got upside down.  Shift+r to get upright and then tiptoe through the car bodies to the pits for my sng.  After that it was just getting rhythm and keeping focused.  don't think about dinner or what about that lawnmower in the shop!  Worked all right.   Field was so closely matched it took awhile for the leader to come up even with the off and stop n go.  Had a good time.  Polite racers.

Bookie Westbrook :)

If it's a no fault Sh/R no need to take a stop and go Bookie  :angel-wings:

Bad race for me, much to slow in Q, and at the start Hell broke loose, so I retired this race. >:(

Aah, my first race win. Whoopee!

Qualified 6th with a high 25 and would have needed a PB to get the front row so I settled for it and put on race fuel to find the grip levels on the black ice through Barbeque.

Clutch was having a sandwich while the grid formed and Nicky finished it for him when the flag dropped so I was heading for T1 in 4th with the field self desctructing behind me.

The first couple of laps was a case of getting the heat in the tyres and keeping it neat which I did, then on Lap 3 I showed myself in Pete Maestro's mirrors and scared him off the track, so began a good little chase with Hurtubise and Ryeman. A few laps later Hurtubise in the lead thought of a new way to go through the chicane which won't catch on so Ryeman went around his front and as he hit the gas again I went round the back of him and set after the new leader.

Sadly my fellow Clark-Hill team mate Vos who was showing 5th in Prib had an Internet failure which dumped him out of a good position where he said he would ram raid anyone who tried to catch me.

After being off Ryeman's pace at Albi I could live with him here and was able to close a few times and force him into driving defensively and covering his lines which slowed him further, but just as happened at Albi I didn't get through the traffic as cleanly as the leader so I dropped about 4 seconds off him. It was purely my fault though I just lost my rhythm again but I must thank Bookie especially who backed right off to let me follow the leader through Barbeque.

I set about chasing him down again and set my fastest race lap in the process but sadly before I got within touching distance he ditched it at Jukskie and had a wheel failure which put him out and put me in the lead for the first time in a League race.

I decided not to wait for anybody and kept going but the next few laps seemed to take forever with a couple of chasers now gaining too so I had to pace myself, but I was braking early for Barbeque and Clubhouse which was costing me a little time but giving me confidence as I have ditched it there many a time. The last few laps Hurtubise was putting in some consistent times to close me down but I had it under control and just kept it neat to cross the line in P1.

On to Imola then.

congrats miner2049er, you raced well. :D

Great turn out again with the number of people in the race

Enjoyable race, especially after my poor race at Albi

Very happy with qually doing a PB and getting 4th

Got off start OK and into first corner, and prib showed everyone behind had all but stopped.

Having had a quick gander at the replay it looked like mayhem

made a couple of silly unforced errors allowed couple to catch me easily and loose places. They were both quicker than me, so would have got me in the end, but would have been nicer to make it a bit harder

Thanks to all for seeing behind and making room to make passes safe

See you all at Imola (whats a good time for 65s here?)

cheers

Peter (Maestro)

My first finish - in last place but &  2 laps down but that is an improvement.

Qualifying very busy & was over a second down on my best times. Got caught up in the carnage in the start -simply nowhere to go with cars strewn across the track. Ran down into T1 to with 3 wheels. Found some consistency mid race & an excellent battle with HappyAl. He drafted me on the main straight & although I braked early into Crowthorne I rear ended him. (Apologies have been made & accepted). Lost rhythm after that. Being pretty much the slowest guy on track I was mindful to let the faster cars lap me on the straights. Not around for the next round at Imola - shame as it is a great track. Someone else's turn to be at the back of the grid.

 :) ;)
Woooooooooow what an perfect disaster area at start……….
Sent me to ISS for a cup of coffee .
For sure we now have a outstanding GPL video sequence ,lol.

Congratulations to  Mike on his great win and to Hurtubise for excellent 2nd.
Pity so many got internet or hardware failure….
Aplogizes  to Baldwin , whom I lapped  not perfect.

All in all again big fun .
Thx all for nice racing see ya at Imola

well it was a close run for the pole but i barely got it

i had the lead for about the first three laps, however i got up into the grass slightly and spun the car

due to a great deal of concentration, and a few problems that other drivers had, i was able to seal up 2nd


i hope my streak of spinning out early in races will come to an end---

Just to let you know Mike's win features in the new Issue 3 edition of the Skid Mark, just released and available at http://www.jamesonline.net/gpl/skidmark.htm (http://www.jamesonline.net/gpl/skidmark.htm)
Please don't complain about gratuitous posts to get publicity ;)

Linky no worky  :D

Works for me.

Censored in Wigan clearly.