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Title: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: Phil Thornton on March 26, 2009, 10:40:38 PM +0000
Season 17  Clubman's Cup - Round 3 - Snetterton

In many ways a similar circuit to the last round at Albi but Snetterton has a few more corners and a little more elevation.  Remember if you want to take a chassis faster than the one your championship position dictates then you MUST make the appropriate pit stop.

Please note we are on IGOR for this race and we are using 6.UKGPL - our normal server is needed for the Inter League race.

Also the clocks are going forward in the UK this weekend.

The rules have not changed from last season however all drivers are asked to ensure they are familiar with the rules (both general (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/intro) and division specific (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=204&theme=6)) and the penalty guidelines (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/penalties).  Also the Recommended Driver Behaviour (https://www.ukgpl.com/rec_dvr_beh/rec_driver_beh.htm) page has some great info on how to get the most out of racing on-line with GPL.

Please be in VROC UKGPL chatroom by 8:55 p.m (UK London Time = BST = GMT + 1h).

Race List = IGOR
Server = 6.UKGPL
IP address = 80.5.200.198
Race date = 29-03-2009
Time 9:00 pm (UK London Time = BST = GMT + 1h)
Track = Snetterton
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = Long (24 laps)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

CHASSIS RESTRICTIONS
These are based on the drivers position in the championship (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=204&theme=6).  Any driver who chooses to take a chassis faster than their position in the championship dictates, must make a mandatory pit stop as defined below.

Group 1
Sam Blood
Tim Muttram

Group 2
Robert Burton
Jack O'Ferrall

Group 3
Phil Thornton
Bernie Darwin

Group 4
Steve Bird
James Andrew


Pit Stop Times
Group 1
Single Stop Time
   
Double Stop Time
Lotus
26
   
N/A
Eagle
16
   
N/A
Ferrari
7
   
N/A
Brabham
Stop and Go
   
N/A

Group 2
Single Stop Time
   
Double Stop Time
Lotus
19
   
N/A
Eagle
10
   
N/A
Ferrari
Stop and Go
   
N/A

Group 3
Single Stop Time
   
Double Stop Time
Lotus
9
   
N/A
Eagle
Stop and Go
   
N/A

Group 4
Single Stop Time
   
Double Stop Time
Lotus
Stop and Go
   
N/A


 First Pit Window is: 19 (to go on your pit board) to 13 (to go on your pit board)
 Second Pit Window is: 17 (to go on your pit board) to 6 (to go on your pit board)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: Phil Thornton on March 29, 2009, 06:53:27 PM +0100
Praccy will be starting at 9:00 prompt tonight.  Don't be late ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: Burtoner on March 29, 2009, 06:58:34 PM +0100
what you mean praccy at 9pm, thats when the race starts?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: Turkey Machine on March 29, 2009, 07:41:52 PM +0100
He means Practice, as in qualifying, for the race starts at 9pm.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: JamesRye on March 29, 2009, 10:04:21 PM +0100
I had an enjoyable race in the BRM at Snetterton, qualy was ok and then i got a flying start into P3. At one point I was even in second place but as I'd over-cooked it sliding up the inside of a Ferrari who carefully left the door open I gave the place back. Then i settled into P3 until a Honda managed to get by.

then i suffered an engine blowup  ???(maybe i over-revved it).  dropped to p6, climbed to p5. Suffered another engine faliure  ???(its gotta be over-revving). Then lost it into the big stopper and blow me but the cable wrenched its way out of me force feedback wheel and even when i plugged it back in, i had no drive!

Still, it was fun while it lasted. :)

P.S The division rules state ''No-fault Shift-Rs will not attract a Stop & Go penalty'' is over-revving a non fault shift-r?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: Asbjeurn Tverberg on March 29, 2009, 10:18:50 PM +0100
Qualied with race fuel and didn't expect to be very competitive, but to my surprise I got P3!

Had Steve in front of me in a Ferrari, Tim in a Honda was on his right, and Sam in his BRM was on my right. Race start went pretty fine, until Steve spun in front of me. Since we both drove Ferrari's, I thought I'd do the same, and just barely avoided hitting Sam. Tim was hit by Steve, so we both stood still waiting for the field to pass, untill we could go on.

Tim disappeared in the distance, while I took a little longer to get up to speed. I managed to fight my way up the field though, and after a while I passed Tim as well, and only Sam on P1 was in front. It took me three more laps to pass him, and 10 long laps was between me and the finish line. But I never got that far. one lap later, while accelerating from the hairpin, my shifter stopped working!  :cursing: The car was stuck in first gear, and there was nothing more I could do, than log off.

(Turkey Machine told me in iGOR afterwards that I could hit F3 and fix the problem. Next time...)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: Michael Turner on March 29, 2009, 11:00:09 PM +0100
An eventful race. Pribluda was scrambled (though fine offline) but otherwise everything seemed OK - I've switched back to OpenGL which seems to have cured the screen freezes. I qualified in mid field and and maintained that position until L2 when I had a collision with Tim that dropped me to 12th. Other drivers had obviously been having problems and by L13 I found myself in a train with Burt, Phil and Bernie. Bernie had a spin that I got caught up in and although my car was undamaged, my screen went black for a few seconds as soon as we touched and I ended up on the barrier.. This was not going to be the Soggies night for by L16 I found myself close enough to Burt to have a fine view of his engine exploding! and a few laps later passed Bernie who was struggling with fuel starvation. I managed to finish without further incident crossing the line in 6th which was a reasonable result in the circumstances.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: Samb on March 29, 2009, 11:12:32 PM +0100
An interesting race. It seemed everyone was having problems during the race apart from myself  :angel:. I qualified 4th on the grid and found myself in the lead by the first corner; aided by Steve and Tim having a coming together on the first lap. The I had a nice battle with Phil, till he passed me. Then I locked the rears under braking for the hairpin and was lucky not to take anyone out. Then Tim, recovering from his earlier incident, passed me as a result and procceded to catch Phil. Then Phil lost the back end of the car just before Russel and the hapless Tim had nowhere to go.

The resulting crash allowed me to take the lead again. This time, Asbjeurn began to chase me and overtook me eventually. Then he lost drive out of the hairpin - bad luck there. So I resumed the lead and it remained that way till the end of the race. It looked like we might have enjoyed a Reed 1-2 finish but unfortunately Dave fell victim to a Brabham parked on the road. Towards to end of the race, I had to respond to a late charge by Kev but I still managed to be the victor. A nice result then, look forward to the Nordschleife.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: bernie on March 29, 2009, 11:29:46 PM +0100
It was good to see the 2 up and coming soggies,  Steve and Mike doing so well if only briefly  :) Grats on the Pole Steve .

My own race was one to forget , rushed home from the w/e away couldnt decide wich car to take as I hadnt practised so went for the Old faithfull Coop as I have ran 1m 27 's here with the spaghetti special in previous races .

Qually didnt do too well for me so I changed the roll bars for the race in the hope of more corner exit speed but found out too late that the handling was crap on full tanks , so right from the off the car was sliding around everywhere then the tyres began to get overheated (in the coop?) and made the thing even worse .
Prib was useless again giving all kinds of stupid reults (  it was saying Burt was ahead of me }
On top of that, for a great many laps,  my screen seemed to go very dark , I found it impossible to see any cars in front of me  ( because they were all gone  ::))
Dont think i want to see the replay , I'm depressed enough already  :-\

Grats to them that won! and them that had fun !   ;D



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: Clive Loynes on March 29, 2009, 11:54:24 PM +0100

P.S The division rules state ''No-fault Shift-Rs will not attract a Stop & Go penalty'' is over-revving a non fault shift-r?

Over reving is entirely down to you James.

The 67 cars don't like it much but some are worse than others.  Make sure that you lift off duing gear changes as well.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: Burtoner on March 30, 2009, 12:04:16 AM +0100

P.S The division rules state ''No-fault Shift-Rs will not attract a Stop & Go penalty'' is over-revving a non fault shift-r?

Over reving is entirely down to you James.

The 67 cars don't like it much but some are worse than others.  Make sure that you lift off duing gear changes as well.

eer *cough* *cough*


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: FullMetalGasket on March 30, 2009, 12:42:11 AM +0100
P.S The division rules state ''No-fault Shift-Rs will not attract a Stop & Go penalty'' is over-revving a non fault shift-r?

Unless it was a controller failure I suspect over revving is classed as driver error so would probably attract an SnG  :)


Sorry about the contact Micheal, I guessed you hadn't seem me when you started turning in so took to the grass - not far enough on I guess  :-[


That was more of a roller coaster than a race for me!  ;D Amazed I managed 3rd!
Started auspiciously, as I hadn't had as much time to build a setup as usual I earmarked the first 15mins of Practice for finalising my race setup - somehow this gave me second, only about .4 off Steve's time!  :o
Removed loads of fuel and set out again but couldn't adjust fast enough to the now empty car's handling. End of Practice saw me within 0.07 of Steve - good work there mate  8)

The start of the race wasn't quite as planned, got a slight jump on Steve which was probably my undoing - as it put me right in his path when he lost it and span into me - Doh!
Asbjurn, Steve and myself then sat around on the edges of the start straight waiting for the field to go by before continuing on our merry ways.
As I'll put in my report, I'd rather Steve wasn't penalised for his spin if poss - even if it did prevent a runaway win for the Waza'a  :P
Rejoined in 11th just infront of Asb and launched off after the pack in full red mist mode, made up 3 places by the start of lap 2 so was flying. Got Dave/Jack/Amagi on the exit of T2 aswell as a big run up the inside of Micheal. As I mentioned above he can't have seen me (I don't appear in his mirrors after the exit of T2 so he may have missed me pulling out) and turned into T3 as usual - I spotted this intime to dive to the grass but touched him (lag? No contact in replay) which span him off with little effect on me - Sorry Mike. I'll submit that too and let Phil decide if I need a slap  :ninja:
Caught Burt and Burnie on lap 3 - Passed Bernie between Esses and Coram when he went wide, and then got past burt under braking for Esses on lap 4, I then set after James Rye for 3rd.
Made an attempt up his inside into the hairpin but lost the backend staying tight to avoid contact - this dropped me back enough for Burt to reclaim his position from me.
Burt then ran wide on T1 (Riches)the next lap so I went round him - hope I didn't get too close Burt  :)
From here it was a slog to catch back up with James again, I got a run on him up the Start/Finish straight at the beginning of lap 9 and out braked him into Riches finally laying claim to 3rd.

Now to concentrate on chasing the leaders hard.
I was deffinatly 'in the Zone' now and Sam's spin on Lap 10 approaching the Hairpin only helped this by gifting me 2nd - Cheers Sam  :angel:
Sadly Phil lost it in Coram that same lap and Collected me when he bounced back onto the track, Sam Squeeked by us both to lay claim to first  :hammer:
Thanks to having lots of space behind I was able to perform a Shift R and set off again in a cloud of smoke (Should I have needed an S&G for this Phil? My reading on it was no so didn't perform one :) ).
The next lap it was my turn to run foul of Esses, which let Asb through to claim 2nd from me - On rejoining the track I realised my steering was borked so did another Shift R which resulted in my dropping back to 5th. I then tryed to pit for an S&G the next 2 laps in the row before finally making it in on my 3rd attempt (lost 5th in the process too  ::))
Rejoined on lap 14 now in 6th.
Allowed the red mist to settle again as was determined to go for gold still. By lap 21 I had caught Jack and was fighting for 3rd, had a wobble into T1 the next lap and hit the wall.
Half span and rejoined just infront of Phil - who took a pop at me on the run towards the hairpin.
I held him off and was left enough space to return to chasing after Jack again unmolested, although I didn't think I had a chance of catching him with only 2 to go. Unluckily for Jack, but lucky for both Phil and I, Jack suffered a wobble into T1 just as I had allowing us both to catch him and then pass him after the Hairpin.
Bad luck Jack  :(
Congrats to Sam for yet another win, and to K Clark for a well fought 2nd place  :thumbup1:
Nice fight to the finish Phil :) and well done to all the finishers  :angel:

Also, a big sorry to Bookie for my massive tankslapper after he let me through out of T2 - Scared the bejesus out of me so hope it didn't worry you too much  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: Asbjeurn Tverberg on March 30, 2009, 08:20:13 AM +0100
[...]I then tryed to pit for an S&G the next 2 laps in the row before finally making it in on my 3rd attempt (lost 5th in the process too  ::))[...]

 :D I know, the pit entrance on Snetterton is not an easy one. You need a few attempts before you finally crash in the armco and need another shift-r and have to take another SnG penalty, crash in the armco in the attempt to take that penalty and need another shift-r, crash in the armco ...

Maybe it's better to just take the time penalty after the race...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: b_1_rd on March 30, 2009, 10:09:43 PM +0100
I'd rather Steve wasn't penalised for his spin if poss - even if it did prevent a runaway win for the Waza'a  :P

Thanks mate.  I really am sorry about that.  I thought the car had hooked up but by looking at the replay it would seem the wheels hadn't quite stopped spinning and as I tried to accelerate more I must have given it too much and it all let go.  Sorry to have affectively ruined yours and contributed to Asbjeurn's poor start too.   :-[

I had a further spin later on and while trying to recover, blew the engine which left me a sitting duck for poor Kevin to come around the esses and meet in right on the racing line.  Sorry to you too Kevin.

Then when I set off after that incident I went passed Kevin as he was gaining speed but wanted to let him get position back as it was really my fault that my car was on track for him to hit, so held it wide and backed off, but ran too wide and beached the car on the bank.  Another reset!

Anyway, I did S&G 1 and the on the way to S&G 2 I span again!   >:(  That spin I think held me up enough so while I was in the pits the leaders came through closely followed by everyone else (as it was only lap 2).  I edged out of pit lane but couldn't get a gap to fit in, so pretty much ended up at the back of the pack 1 lap down.

I picked up a few places as people dropped out and actually got one position back on track too, so a small amount of damage limitation.

So, super qualifying but a very poor race from me.

Sorry again guys.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: Asbjeurn Tverberg on March 30, 2009, 10:45:24 PM +0100
Sorry to have affectively ruined yours and contributed to Asbjeurn's poor start too.   :-[
Well, you were not the direct cause of me spinning. I thought it was just a bit funny that after I saw you spinning in front of me, I spun almost simultaneously, like it was something Ferrari drivers should do at the start. :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: BookieW on March 30, 2009, 10:59:53 PM +0100
My first Clubman race and I haven't been on this track in a year.  My times showed it too!  Thanks to the admins for getting me registered on the spur of the moment....I registered about 5 minutes before the track opened.

Qualification was interesting as I had forgotten all the braking points and turnins.  Was at the back of the grid, thankfully, and able to watch all the carnage at the start.  Decided to treat this event as if it were a TSD rally and just keep it on the track.  As such I saw a number of drivers coming and going.  I was driving a Brabham, but I don't think it was me that was referenced in an earlier post...of so, I'm sorry.

Thanks for the racing.  I look forward to running with you fellows.

Bookie Westbrook
Virginia, USA :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: b_1_rd on March 30, 2009, 11:55:06 PM +0100
Sorry to have affectively ruined yours and contributed to Asbjeurn's poor start too.   :-[
Well, you were not the direct cause of me spinning. I thought it was just a bit funny that after I saw you spinning in front of me, I spun almost simultaneously, like it was something Ferrari drivers should do at the start. :)

LOL, next time with smoke then, like the Red Arrows  :D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: b_1_rd on March 30, 2009, 11:57:55 PM +0100
My first Clubman race and I haven't been on this track in a year.  My times showed it too!  Thanks to the admins for getting me registered on the spur of the moment....I registered about 5 minutes before the track opened.

Qualification was interesting as I had forgotten all the braking points and turnins.  Was at the back of the grid, thankfully, and able to watch all the carnage at the start.  Decided to treat this event as if it were a TSD rally and just keep it on the track.  As such I saw a number of drivers coming and going.  I was driving a Brabham, but I don't think it was me that was referenced in an earlier post...of so, I'm sorry.

Thanks for the racing.  I look forward to running with you fellows.

Bookie Westbrook
Virginia, USA :)

You did ok Bookie.  You stuck with it and got to the end.  Welcome to clubmans.  Look forward to being on track with you again.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: FullMetalGasket on March 31, 2009, 09:00:54 AM +0100
Sorry to have affectively ruined yours and contributed to Asbjeurn's poor start too.   :-[

To be fair, I had 2 further chances of leading and a 3rd 'potential' chance. Phil span off and collected me just as I laid claim to 2nd, and then I took myself out of the running for the other 2 occaisions though silly mistakes.
If anything you made it all far more interesting for me!  ;D

You were doing well out there bookie, well done for making it to the finish  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: Kevin_Clark on April 01, 2009, 11:21:41 AM +0100
I had quite an interesting race.

I'm still trying to get my old form back so I stuck with the cooper and starting at the back so I don't mess up anyone elses race.

I had a decent enough setup so a couple of qually outlaps was enough and I waited for the race to start. However, when the 30 second clock started to count down I didn't have a green flag button to let me in. So I sat there watching everyone else line up and start and I was still on the timing screen. I was going to just watch a couple of laps and leave then about 10 seconds later the green flag button popped up and I was in! So a pit lane start with the nearest car about 15 seconds up the road. I wasn't sure if it would count me as a lap down so I thought I'd do a couple of laps and see how the timing worked out. Luckily it was ok.

On the first lap I passed a couple of people mowing the grass and on lap 2 I skidded in to a burning Ferrari under the bridge and lost a wheel :)

So, shift-R and the race was on.

I was banging in 1.27s on clear track and passing people who had slid off. Then suddenly I realised I was in about 6th and catching Burt. I saw him up ahead recovering from a spin and saw him have a couple of half spins too. In to the S bend under the bridge and he lost the back end again. That brab looked a mare on the brakes. I seized the chance to get by and went round the outside of the right hander.

A couple of laps later I ended up in 2nd! I was catching Sam's BRM at a reasonable rate and got on his tail with about 4 laps to go. But the cooper just didn't have enough grunt to get by. I tried some tactical driving and some different lines in corners to try and get a good run but it just didn't have the legs where I needed it.

Never mind. Great clean racing and a podium :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: Clive Loynes on April 01, 2009, 11:42:52 AM +0100
Wondered if you were the same Kevin Clark.  ::)


Welcome home.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: Kevin_Clark on April 01, 2009, 12:45:25 PM +0100
Yep I'm a fair way off my old pace though.
I used to be -30. I'm currently +6! And in the coop I'm +17.
http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/php-pub/user.php?showMonster=1,1,30432

I'm getting the hang of it though. I went out in the fez last night and did some laps. I should go negative overall tonight without too much trouble.

Just thought I'd try out the clubmans to get my eye in again. I was +50 odd when we did the first race so it's all coming back slowly :) If I end up too quick I don't mind being excluded from the scoring. I'm starting from the back so I don't interfere with anyone elses race.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: Phil Thornton on April 22, 2009, 12:21:14 AM +0100
Sorry to be late publishing the report for this.  I've been off line for nearly 3 weeks (ISP problems).


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: bernie on April 22, 2009, 08:05:08 AM +0100
Welcome Home . Good to see you back  :)



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Clubmans Cup - Snetterton - Mar 29
Post by: b_1_rd on April 22, 2009, 11:31:02 AM +0100
2 places! Yikes! and fully deserved, stupid error which could have trashed many more peoples races.  Sorry, I'll consider myself severely wrist slapped  :-[

Welcome back Phil.