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Title: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on April 06, 2009, 07:51:41 AM +0100
Practice 1:20:00(10 mins)
Qual 2:20:10(25 mins)
Race:20:35(80 mins)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GTC from the UKGTR Physics Pack v2.9.5.1 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
Weather: changeable, seeded from real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Hockenheim (GP)
Race Start Time: 05:00 - sunrise race
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Lower Endurance
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Standings and schedule can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=197;theme=3)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the car pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on April 06, 2009, 07:58:18 AM +0100
Going to miss this one. :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Napo on April 09, 2009, 06:06:11 AM +0100
I will make this race. :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Busi on April 10, 2009, 12:19:17 PM +0100
Finally I'll be able to properly enjoy a sunrise in GTR2 :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Craske on April 10, 2009, 02:45:08 PM +0100
Hi all, I'm new here, infact I'm new to on-line racing, i have owned the game for a long long time and have recently been getting involved in public server races, this is fun but the lack of rules and rule enforcement make the experience too frustrating.
So I have downloaded and installed all your files (I think).
I've read the rules and would like to enter into this race (or any race for that matter). is it possible for me to enter? also i have looked around the lobby in GTR2 but have not come across any of the servers from this site?.

Please could you let me know if I can join the race? if so what do I need to do. (if not this race maybe you know of another?)  and where to find your servers.
also I notice you have a practice password? again I see no servers and I do not know what this password is?

any help would be really appreciated.

edit: O.K I know the password now, but I still can't find the servers. My game mode is set to simulator


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Paul968 on April 10, 2009, 02:58:44 PM +0100
You might want to start off with something a bit less daunting than a full-on endurance race. 80 minutes of racing, starting in the dark, with variable weather and pitstops including refeulling and tyre changes will be a serious challenge for your first online league race! The sprint races on tuesdays would be an easier introduction if you can make them. You can join any race though if there is room.

The server is called 'UKGTR cars 2.9.5.1' and needs that car pack installed.

Welcome btw  :) I'm sure someone in pink or green will be along shortly to pressgang you into their team  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Craske on April 10, 2009, 03:02:53 PM +0100
Thankyou for the welcome, i think your probablty right that this race maybe a bit much for me, and I will attempt to find something more sutible.
thanks for the warm welcome, any ideas on me not seeing the servers?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Paul968 on April 10, 2009, 03:05:20 PM +0100
sorry, I went back and edited it to answer that question. The server is called 'UKGTR cars 2.9.5.1' and needs that car pack installed.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Mark J on April 10, 2009, 03:10:30 PM +0100
welcome onboard Craske.  :)

I wouldnt worry about finding this endurance too daunting for your first race, if anything it means you can bed yourself in a bit easier than a manic 40minute sprint. There is always a spread of skills through the field so you will end up with people to race against. Only things to be aware of are making sure you let leaders past if they are about to lap you, ie dont try racing them ! and dont nerf people off track to gain a place. Those sort of things get hammered here as we like to keep the racing hard but fair.
Just read the simple rules, ie you have to make one pit stop etc. Oh and tonight is GTC class so you can only race a car from that group.

In the lobby, the race server has 'UKGTR' then the track name as a title.

Good luck


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Craske on April 10, 2009, 03:16:15 PM +0100
Thanks guys I've found the server in the game now, So how does it work can I just log in and start driving while in pratice mode or do you need to be entered into a race? I don't want to go barging in where im not welcome lol. but I do really want to come in and see how i get on.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Paul968 on April 10, 2009, 03:55:17 PM +0100
If you can get in with the practice password then it is OK I'd say.

I don't agree with Mark though. I'd done heaps of online racing before I tried endurance races, but it took about 4 goes just to get the pitstops and stuff right. Maybe I'm just slow though  :wheelchair:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Mark J on April 10, 2009, 04:47:32 PM +0100
Thanks guys I've found the server in the game now, So how does it work can I just log in and start driving while in pratice mode or do you need to be entered into a race? I don't want to go barging in where im not welcome lol. but I do really want to come in and see how i get on.

yes you can just log in using the practise password and practise as much as you like before the actual race event. Luck of the draw whether others are practising on there at the same time mind. Then on race night (ie 8pm sunday) you have the official pre race praccy, qually and race event.

And you can always practise your pitstops whilst your in there  ;) Make sure when you do your setup for the enduro that you have the right amount of fuel set for your pitstop...ie race for 40mins, pit, put 40mins fuel onboard to get to the end of the race. (always put a bit more on as fuel calc isnt always right).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Craske on April 10, 2009, 04:55:11 PM +0100
O.K thanks again, I had a quick look in the practice server was one guy running 1.42s. so i went offline and did a few laps in time trials. now i think if i was to compete i will be using the porshe as this seemed to be my quickest car. I liked the bmw z4 too but theirs some crazy stuff going on with the wing mirrors. Now my best lap was a 1.46 after 5-6 laps in each car without making any changes to the car setup. I'm starting to wonder if i need much more practice before i attempt to race at this level. I don't want to be holding everyone else up.

I assume I'm free to change to car setup as I please?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Prof on April 10, 2009, 05:19:46 PM +0100
Hello and welcome Craske

Agreeing with Jonzo, don't worry about the times others are doing you will find a good range here. The key to enjoying UKGTR is consistency, staying on track and being aware of the racing manners we try hard to encourage here. Most people find there is a lot of close racing and we tend to find people of similar ability to race against whilst the aliens have their own race at the front.  :D
You will certainly appreciate the quality of the racing throughout the field compared to my limited experience of the public races.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Paul968 on April 10, 2009, 05:32:34 PM +0100
5-6 laps really isn't a lot when you are learning a new track and car. People here may have done hundreds if not thousands of laps round hockenheim and will have gradually honed their line and technique. Pick a car and do 50 laps and you will have a better idea of your race pace. Add to that a better setup (soft tyres, low fuel, better balance) I would expect that you could knock a couple of seconds off by the end, which will be fine for the race.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Craske on April 10, 2009, 10:53:13 PM +0100
OK I have run 55 laps, my average time is 1.45.50 my best time is 1.44.736. This is using default car settings still. on one run I ran out of fuel on lap 23 which i think could have been a new personal best.  ;).
I run consistent 145s and have no major incidents, except running out of fuel and the odd 360 on that hairpin.

So with this in mind am I likely to get lapped by every one or do you think I'll be alright?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Prof on April 11, 2009, 12:36:04 AM +0100
OK I have run 55 laps, my average time is 1.45.50 my best time is 1.44.736. This is using default car settings still. on one run I ran out of fuel on lap 23 which i think could have been a new personal best.  ;).
I run consistent 145s and have no major incidents, except running out of fuel and the odd 360 on that hairpin.

So with this in mind am I likely to get lapped by every one or do you think I'll be alright?

You'll be okay. Make sure you are confident with pit stops as one is obligatory during the race during which you must take some fuel and/or tyres. Make sure you understand the rules about the rolling start under the pit limiter - this has massively cut down first lap 'pile-ups' and is probably different to other on-line races for have tried. Relax and enjoy the race.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Paul968 on April 11, 2009, 12:37:28 AM +0100
You'll be fine - you are 2 secs quicker and low fuel will make that even better. The main problem will be knowing how to deal with fuel, tyres, pitstops, rolling starts, wet weather, bad light, etc.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Craske on April 11, 2009, 12:56:30 PM +0100
Thanks again guys you are all being very helpfull and welcoming, Which is unusual for online gaming.
Now back to the race, I have more questions hope you don't mind.
Firstly, In going back over the UKGTR Rules I noticed that if I change cars more than once in a season I will be penalised, so does that mean that that car I choose for THIS RACE is the car I will be racing for the whole season? if so then I think I will wait for a faster class to race in as i struggle more in the slower cars. (or does it not work like this at all)
Also Looking at the weather forecast for Germany on sunday is likely to be dry? so this means the race is likely to be dry?.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Syd Drake on April 11, 2009, 01:08:32 PM +0100
So should I just install the new physics pack over the old one? Or should a clean the install folder and how? In the add/remove programs there's only the uninstaller for the skin packs.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Legzy on April 11, 2009, 01:30:59 PM +0100
Firstly, In going back over the UKGTR Rules I noticed that if I change cars more than once in a season I will be penalised, so does that mean that that car I choose for THIS RACE is the car I will be racing for the whole season? if so then I think I will wait for a faster class to race in as i struggle more in the slower cars. (or does it not work like this at all)
You have one car for each class (so up to four cars if you run in all champs), you can swap to another one for free (in each class), any further swap will cost you points. But as it's your 1st season & we're already half way through, I'd assume you wont be fighting for the titles just yet  ;) & so wouldn't worry yourself too much at this point. Just find some cars your happy with & enjoy  :)

Also Looking at the weather forecast for Germany on sunday is likely to be dry? so this means the race is likely to be dry?.
Obviously it could change by Sunday, but at this stage it's looking like it'll be a dry start to the race. But wether will be set to a degree of changeability... so the server could decide that it wants to add some rain as the race progresses, or stay dry.... we'll all find out as we go  ;D


So should I just install the new physics pack over the old one? Or should a clean the install folder and how? In the add/remove programs there's only the uninstaller for the skin packs.
That will be fine Syd, just run the new pack installer & 1st thing it does is uninstall the old one  8) Dave's been a bit awesome to us with that


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Prof on April 11, 2009, 01:34:10 PM +0100
Firstly, In going back over the UKGTR Rules I noticed that if I change cars more than once in a season I will be penalised, so does that mean that that car I choose for THIS RACE is the car I will be racing for the whole season? if so then I think I will wait for a faster class to race in as i struggle more in the slower cars. (or does it not work like this at all)
Also Looking at the weather forecast for Germany on sunday is likely to be dry? so this means the race is likely to be dry?.

There are ideas for the expected weather on the race announcement page. The person starting the server puts initial conditions in based on the local forecast but there is some randomness built in, so in endurance races things can change a lot over eighty minutes. I think for sprint races, things do not change from the starting conditions though (stand to be corrected here).

I hope this makes sense.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Paul968 on April 11, 2009, 01:37:56 PM +0100
Quote
Thanks again guys you are all being very helpfull and welcoming, Which is unusual for online gaming.
Now back to the race, I have more questions hope you don't mind.
Firstly, In going back over the UKGTR Rules I noticed that if I change cars more than once in a season I will be penalised, so does that mean that that car I choose for THIS RACE is the car I will be racing for the whole season? if so then I think I will wait for a faster class to race in as i struggle more in the slower cars. (or does it not work like this at all)
Also Looking at the weather forecast for Germany on sunday is likely to be dry? so this means the race is likely to be dry?.

Don't worry about the car change penalty - it is only 25% of your points for every car change and you get one free change. Your first season will be more about learning so just ignore the penalty and drive what you want. Personally though I'd recommend trying to stick with one car for several races - changing cars means changing setups and possibly driving style.

I would also recommend starting with the slower cars. They are more forgiving and are easier to race hard, but still offer a big challenge.

As far as the weather is concerned, the dry forecast means that it should be dry in the race, but there is a random element which might make it wet at some stage. Best to practice driving in the wet a bit so that you understand what tyres to take - making a guess in the race is a very big gamble!

I suggest you might consider doing a practice race offline. Change the tyre wear and fuel use multiplier to 4x and drive for 20 minutes with one pitstop in the middle. If you can do this then you should be able to handle the real thing. I do this with no AI cars on the track but you could have them if you don't mind the distraction.

One final thing (not sure if anyone else has mentioned it). When you set the fuel level for your pitstop, the amount of fuel shown is the amount to FILL TO (I hope the emphasis is clear enough!  ;) This means that if you have 50 Litres in the tank when you pit and you ask for 60 Litres you will only get 10 Litres added. So many people (including myself) fall into this trap that it is worth pointing out I think.

Good Luck  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Legzy on April 11, 2009, 01:47:48 PM +0100
I suggest you might consider doing a practice race offline. Change the tyre wear and fuel use multiplier to 4x and drive for 20 minutes with one pitstop in the middle. If you can do this then you should be able to handle the real thing. I do this with no AI cars on the track but you could have them if you don't mind the distraction.
Spot on Paul, I do exactly the same. Also, if you set the AI drivers to 120% then you'll have an idea of how the our front runners will be doing for real.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Craske on April 11, 2009, 02:04:35 PM +0100
Good Advice thankyou, I'm going to give that a try now and report back. I just done 22laps on time trials in the dark, still fairly consistent although i couldnt manage anything faster than a 1.46, which has reminded me that have a brighter headlights mod installed, do I need to find away to remove this?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: goldtop on April 11, 2009, 05:22:42 PM +0100
I'm trying to enter the practice server, but I keep getting booted. I have the new GTC pack installed so it can't be that. Any ideas please??


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Craske on April 11, 2009, 05:28:47 PM +0100
o.k not good I had the AI set to 100% with 31 cars on track. I qualified 27th with a 145 (although it said i was 11th in qualifying) and finnished in 15th. I was 2.46mins behind leader and I had 1 stop and go. and if thats not bad enough all the cars that were behind me DNF.
So im going pratice more and choose a race thats less demanding.
Thanks again for all your help and advice and no doubt I will speak to again soon.

For future reference does anyone know whether the 'brighter headlights' mod is allowed as I don't know how to remove other than re-installing the game.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: spanner on April 11, 2009, 06:01:28 PM +0100
Do you have the new physics car pack as well 57goldtop? Its not just the skins.

Hi Craske, I dont know about the headlight mod but can you join the practise server ok? You might be ok with it then? Was the readme file for the mod? Your happy to join the server for the race, it might be an idea to see peoples times and get an idea of where you are with it. Dont get too disheartned about you pace against others, try to ignore those fastest times posted as we do have a few aliens onboard at times.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: goldtop on April 11, 2009, 06:16:57 PM +0100
Do you have the new physics car pack as well 57goldtop? Its not just the skins.

Hi Craske, I dont know about the headlight mod but can you join the practise server ok? You might be ok with it then? Was the readme file for the mod? Your happy to join the server for the race, it might be an idea to see peoples times and get an idea of where you are with it. Dont get too disheartned about you pace against others, try to ignore those fastest times posted as we do have a few aliens onboard at times.

That'll be it, I'm downloading now.

Craske, I'm lapping at about 1.45 so I think you'll have me to keep you company.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: goldtop on April 11, 2009, 06:27:06 PM +0100
That's fixed it, thank you Spanner.

Craske, I think I remember installing the headlight mod and and it seems to be ok.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: JPS on April 11, 2009, 06:33:07 PM +0100
Been suffering with a real bad stomach bug over the last few days guys....feel absolutely wasted at the moment...will try to make this race tomorrow if I am in any kind of shape :'(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Craske on April 11, 2009, 06:33:17 PM +0100

Hi Craske, I dont know about the headlight mod but can you join the practise server ok?
  - yes I join the pratice server.



Was the readme file for the mod?
  - no just files to put into game folder.

Your happy to join the server for the race, it might be an idea to see peoples times and get an idea of where you are with it. Dont get too disheartned about you pace against others, try to ignore those fastest times posted as we do have a few aliens onboard at times.
  I just don't want to hold people up or eveb worst course an accident.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Legzy on April 11, 2009, 07:25:11 PM +0100
I was 2.46mins behind leader and I had 1 stop and go. and if thats not bad enough all the cars that were behind me DNF.
So im going pratice more and choose a race thats less demanding.
Sounds to me like you did fine Craske. The stop n go would have cost you over a minute total at Hock, if the cut warnings are always at the same corner, be more cautious there, you do not want a stop n go, it just wastes your race. While I'm sure that your proper pitstop would have taken a while longer then it will with more practice, as you decided what to do with your tyres/fuel/damage... that's more time lost against the AI.
The AI struggles to calculate fuel, when you do an 80 minute race using the fuel multiplier function, 50% of the cars never seem to complete the race because they don't get round to pitting... they've not quit out of disgust you're ahead of them  ;)

I remember my 1st few races, I was very nervous! I say turn up, drive sensibly, drive predictably (i.e. leave obvious space for lapping drivers) & enjoy it.  ;D
You'll also get a chance to see other drivers & spot/hear what they're doing differently to get the extra pace. You'll find you'll probably set a PB in the race.

p.s. I'm doing 1:44's... but someone staying on the track & doing 1:45's will beat me if I have my usual "moment"  ::) & go off at some point ;D
p.p.s. There's bound to be a couple of Team Prodigy drivers at the back to beat  ;) ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: spanner on April 11, 2009, 09:42:31 PM +0100
Not unless you've knobbled my car already Legz, I'm in the 43's.

Glad to see Team Oldie aiming high ;)

Err back on topic, are we running with variable weather? I thought Dave mentioned we were going to run with fixed weather?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Gothwitch on April 11, 2009, 10:35:50 PM +0100
Been suffering with a real bad stomach bug over the last few days guys....feel absolutely wasted at the moment...will try to make this race tomorrow if I am in any kind of shape :'(
Can someone get this new racing chair over to JPS before tomorrow?
(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/gothwitch_bucket/images.jpg)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Napo on April 12, 2009, 05:44:25 AM +0100
Because of the recent ctd problems I just wanted to ask if I could use a headlight mod? I've never had a ctd or anything and I've used the mod before in other leagues without problems.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Legzy on April 12, 2009, 10:36:24 AM +0100
Not sure Napo. What does this headlight mod do? If it makes it easier to see in the dark then it will be for everyone else.... is that fair & in the spirit of this league?  :-\ (I'm not saying it's not, it's just a question)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Mark J on April 12, 2009, 10:57:08 AM +0100
with all this talk about headlight mods, ive just had this rigged up on the Legends 911  ;)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/1/121741297_450e5db96c.jpg?v=0)

 ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: picnic on April 12, 2009, 11:00:08 AM +0100
The headlight mod was talked about a very long time ago, possibly when we were still using GTR! My recollection was it does not cause Booted as a Possible Cheat messages and that you're allowed to use it.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: spanner on April 12, 2009, 11:16:12 AM +0100
But then i dont believe the tracks in GTR2 or GTL when we've run them in the evening/ dark I've seen go strictly pitch-black anyway so i dont believe you really need something like this.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Mark J on April 12, 2009, 11:23:29 AM +0100
you dont need any improved headlights at Hockenheim in this light. I tried it offline and you can see just fine with the stock headlights. :)
The only tracks it gets pretty dark at are the longer circuits like Spa, but even that has floodlighting at the major corners.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Syd Drake on April 12, 2009, 06:36:38 PM +0100
I just tried to join the server and was booted as a possible cheat. What can cause that?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Truetom on April 12, 2009, 06:45:44 PM +0100
Did you try several times? You have the correct car-pack?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Syd Drake on April 12, 2009, 06:51:01 PM +0100
Yes and yes.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: purdie on April 12, 2009, 06:51:28 PM +0100
i'm back in time to do the race.......got an hours practice  :laugh: porsche? maybe  8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Napo on April 12, 2009, 06:56:23 PM +0100
Not sure Napo. What does this headlight mod do? If it makes it easier to see in the dark then it will be for everyone else.... is that fair & in the spirit of this league?  :-\ (I'm not saying it's not, it's just a question)

It does not cause any mismatch or anything like that, it's a .dds file if I recall. Basically it lights up a little bit further. And anyone can get it if they so choose I can provide the link. I used it in an alms league as it did help with those speeds as I was driving a prototype car.

Headlight mod I used in the alms league:
http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=14378


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Syd Drake on April 12, 2009, 06:59:30 PM +0100
I just reinstalled the new physcis pack and gtc car pack, and still getting booted as cheat as soon as I join.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: picnic on April 12, 2009, 07:11:58 PM +0100
I just reinstalled the new physcis pack and gtc car pack, and still getting booted as cheat as soon as I join.

You only need the physics pack, check the version is v2.9.5.1 and if you've got multiple installs you've installed it to the correct one. It's a standard track so no need for the track pack here.

If all that fails, perhaps try a fresh install to a new location and try again.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: goldtop on April 12, 2009, 07:14:39 PM +0100
I've just been on the practice server with no problems, but there seems to be a few people being booted. Maybe someone with more knowledge than me can chip in to help.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Legzy on April 12, 2009, 07:15:25 PM +0100
Cheers Napo. Do you know if it has any impact on frame rate? My PC is not the quickest & every frame counts for me.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Napo on April 12, 2009, 07:26:03 PM +0100
Cheers Napo. Do you know if it has any impact on frame rate? My PC is not the quickest & every frame counts for me.

I'm not sure I have a fairly new pc so I'll never notice anything as I also run V-sync on, but after trying the track at 5:00 am local time it's not even dark enough to need headlights to drive in it. Altho it is darker.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Legzy on April 12, 2009, 07:44:42 PM +0100
Can't join server, does not recognise correct password... just kind of times out. Only seven people on server. I've reset my router.

 >:( >:( >:(

P&G connects fine.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: picnic on April 12, 2009, 07:53:41 PM +0100
Legzy, still practice server so usual practice password. It works I've just been on.

Syd, I've also just been booted as a cheat with the new pack. This was using the Team Shark TVR. I changed to the Morgan and got straight in, the TVR now connects as well  :-\ Perhaps try a different car, especially a stock GTR2 one if you're still having problems.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Syd Drake on April 12, 2009, 07:58:51 PM +0100
I just did a fresh install. Now I can join (I'm driving a stock 360 Modena BTW). I still have one issue to resolve. I have the rev and gear indicator in the lower right of my screen. I want turn it off, but I don't want to turn off the whole hud, just that part. I know it's possible, ad that is how it looks in my old install, just don't remember how I did it. Pic attached, part that needs to be turned off is beneath the car.

 (http://img192.imagevenue.com/loc975/th_66074_screen_122_975lo.JPG) (http://img192.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=66074_screen_122_975lo.JPG)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Mark J on April 12, 2009, 10:17:25 PM +0100
blinking heck what a tough race that was  :sweatdrop:  I dont think ive ever fought so hard and so continuously in an endurance race before, 80mins of breakneck sprint pace  :o

Qualied a good 6th with a new PB in the 41's (was 5th until last few seconds !)

Race was mental close battle for first 45 minutes in a tough fight with extremely quick guys like Lazlow, Busi, Napo, Roadrunner and TT for 4th-9th positions with all of us changing positions throughout. Unfortunately for me they each finally got past and with only a lap or two to go before my pitstop i did the fateful double downshift and span it  :'(
Second half of the race after my stop was like another new race against different people who were nowhere near us in the first half  ???
I found myself embroiled in another tough battle with Picnic,Spanner, Prof and weirdly TT again ?
Two stupid annoying spins saw me finish the race in a crappy 11th place, a real disapointment after my early pace, but i just couldnt match my pace in the second half and was struggling on worn tyres towards the end.

Demon drives upfront from Gazza, Purds and H@L  :thumbup1:

On a bit of a sour ending there was some extremely bad cutting going on tonight, with some cars repeatedly getting all 4 wheels off the track, and i dont think some of the guys up ahead would have finished where they did with cut-warnings in place...why wern't they? But it also has to be said that rising sun didnt help at T1 in the late stages  :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Busi on April 12, 2009, 10:18:04 PM +0100
crazy race haha!

Was so much fun once again to try and fight faster cars in my Gillet. Also this time I had a very long 1st gear so I was struggling a lot out of the hairpin - lesson learned.

I qualified 3rd but unluckily Napo spun me in the first lap (no prob mate thanks for waiting :)) then my fights were with TT, Roadrunner and more peeps. I ran wide when letting RR through. Then fought with Napo and more guys.

After the pistops I was 6th trying to pass Lazlow. Made a mistake when I'd just outbraked him into T2... lost 10 seconds but pushed hard again. RR came out of the pits just ahead of me, we both passed Lazlow (that was my overtake of the race, sliding while overtaking at the chicane LOL).

RR pulled away in the much faster Z4 and it looked like a comfortable 5th place to me... too comfortable... I made the dumbest mistake by going off at Sacks corner and spent over 10 seconds getting out of the beach ::) Lazlow and Napo passed me (sorry for my bad rejoining Napo, thats why I let you through). 7th place... could've been better but pretty happy. So funny that race! ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: spanner on April 12, 2009, 10:29:23 PM +0100
For the most part that was good fun. Couldnt believe how close everyone was in qually and slowly managed to get up to 8th which was as good as i could have hoped for with 15mins to go, and bloody spun it :'( :'(  

Good racing guys, I had to get by you Prof and realised the hairpin was my only chance!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: H@L9000 on April 12, 2009, 10:29:56 PM +0100
Great race ;D

Very happy to get 3rd. My best result in this championship. I tried to keep up with Pudie but, he was too fast and after about 10 laps my tyres began to ware.

In the second stint I was wondering when everyone else would stop. RoadRunner especially. LOL.

Well done other podiums ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Legzy on April 12, 2009, 10:32:18 PM +0100
Legzy, still practice server so usual practice password. It works I've just been on.
Yeah, I knew that Picnic... if I enter the wrong password it tells me so, if I enter the correct password... it thinks, then acts like I did nothing.  ???

I abandoned my PC & shoved everything to one side (breaking a flat screen in the process ::)), set up my old PC, patched it up, transferred my race setup (that I'd spent 20 mins on last Friday)... got in straight away during pracci! Just adds to the mystery  :-\

Wheel was configured with totally different rotation 360 v 180 degrees & I shot the front soft tyres very quickly... pitted on lap 16 with tyre wear at 36!!! :o It was a shock because obviously it was high, but I had no PD program & no XD program to keep an eye on. Pitted, kept my rear softs & stuck mediums on the front. They just about lasted to the race end... but I got out of this race what I put in (i.e. not a lot)

p.s. sorry for the fright TT, I had two wheels on the grass as I let you past (I was suffering a moment of poor& just couldn't brake... I was left with the choice of take you out or hit Esc... not a tough choice mate... but I accidentally hit Esc  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Prof on April 12, 2009, 10:50:58 PM +0100
That was an exhausting race. Very often in Endurance races I find myself in 'no man's land' twenty or more seconds behind and ahead of the nearest people. Not tonight. It was eighty minutes of nose to tail racing and I would like to thank all those (many of you) who made the racing so entertaining this evening for me. Hard, fair racing by all.

Congrats to the podium - not that I saw much of you!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Legzy on April 12, 2009, 10:57:38 PM +0100
That was an exhausting race. Very often in Endurance races I find myself in 'no man's land' twenty or more seconds behind and ahead of the nearest people.
That was my race tonight exactly. No mans land

EDIT - Oh I forgot to mention, one of my cats threw up on the carpet in the lounge as I was swapping my PC's about... had to clear that up before I started too! Things were conspiring against me tonight  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: picnic on April 12, 2009, 11:16:35 PM +0100
Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20090412%20U9LE/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Gazza49er on April 12, 2009, 11:19:17 PM +0100
Great race again  :)

Start was good, Purdie was in my mirrors but i managed to pull away a few tenth every lap and started to get a nice gap but any slight mistake and he would of been right on me. Pitted about half distance with i think a 15 or 16 second gap. Came back out and Purdie was 60 seconds ahead. Started gaining some time back, laps kept going and Purdie & RR still hadn't pitted lol, must of been a very long first stint. Came up behind Napo knowing i had to put some quick laps in while Purdie was pitting but couldn't get past, luckily Napo pitted and i came round as Purdie left the pits 2 seconds behind. (a few more laps behind Napo and Purdie would of had me).  Concertrated hard and slowly pulled away again. Lapping was quite hard as all these cars are pretty close but alot of cars were faster down the straights than me so thanks to everyone who let through. Made no mistakes and finished a good 20 secs ahead of Purdie.

One scary moment was i think Picnics engine blowing up in my face lol

Grats Purdie, well done H@l great 3rd.

Good team points tonight with Ted aswell.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Ted on April 12, 2009, 11:47:13 PM +0100
Yep, good race for me given my previous form this season. Apart, that is, from the first lap  :-[ Big sorry to nsfast (I think) at the first hairpin - just couldn't see my breaking point in the dark and hit your rear end. Hope it didn't damage you.

Same problem at the 2nd hairpin but fortunately didn't make contact with anyone that time.

Then after that it was fairly consistent (and quite lonely) stuff. But nice to avoid further stupid mistakes for once.

Grats to teammates Gazza and H@l for the podium finishes, and Purdie for 2nd.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: purdie on April 13, 2009, 01:29:00 AM +0100
Wow! what an intense race. shame i have missed most of this season as I LOVE the 997 Cup car  :tt1: ... a really realistic version (apart from the most dodgy looks of the new cars, u can see it is a modified stock 996  :-X )

Quali'd 2nd and was happy to get within 0.5s of Gazza's mental pole time  :thumbup1:

The Z4's dominated the second and last sector of this track, with the 911 pulling back a few tenths down the long straights in sector one  :P ....and the Vipers closing on the 911s with a strong top end  :scooter:

Start was okay with the collision behind buying me some time. A quicker H@L9000 was hanging on and at best I was matching Gazza's laptimes but he was quicker and pulled out a steady gap. After being tentative on cold tyres I picked up the pace and made time over H@L.

I ran on meds and 80 litres, pitting 2/3rd's of the way into the race (2nd longest runner after RR  ;)).... I gained the 10 secs gap over Gazza exiting just behind him after refuelling and replacing just the front meds......Predictablly I then suffered serious oversteer ending the race with 24 wear on the rears. Seemed they didn't wear in the linear fashion I predicted  :-\

I had a few off-track excusions cos of this ::) losing chunks of time to Gazza and always aware of a consistent H@L in third.....  :shifty:

Very happy with 2nd! and grats to Gazza for a great consistent and very fast race....:laugh: ..... & good come back Roadrunner  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Napo on April 13, 2009, 02:51:13 AM +0100
That was a really tough race!

I qualified 4th and did the same lap like 4 times loosing a bit in different areas on each lap. However I was content with 4th as I did not want to be in front of those 3! :D

Come race I think I forgot about cold brakes, the braking looked good until I got closer then tried to move to the right to avoid but I ran into Busi. Sorry! :(
After that I was down in 9th and I wasn't able to catch up for the 1st lap or two. After those guys in front started to battle I was able to close in and join. I couldn't get by anyone tho. Made a few mistakes but managed to hold on everytime without spinning. Unfortunately I was the only one not to miss Robert Burton's frozen car and slammed right into him.

I started going again and joined in on Prof, Carl Hart, and Spanner's battle. The car was proving even more difficult to drive as I was getting some understeer because of the damage. I managed to get by Spanner only to make a mistake yet again. Then after a few laps I pasted Spanner going into turn 2, while at the same time Prof and Carl Hart were battling thru turn 2 and 3. I managed to get close to them and got a tow and we went 3 wide going into the hairpin! :o I was on the inside and took the position from both of them. Passed 3 cars in a span of 3 corners! Unfortunately my car was giving me hell and I managed another mistake heading into the stadium and gave back a position to Prof. Took another few to get by him again but unfortunately these mistakes were very costly! After that I finished my stint and got repairs and new tires. I was very surprised to come out in 7th after all the time I lost.
I tried to catch Lazlow but there wasn't enough time and settled for 6th. :)

Seems like I can qualify decently but everytime in race I seem to struggle vs everyone else! Don't know what to do. I was running Medium fronts and Hard rears. Could really use some pointers! Can't seem to keep the car under control when the tires get worn out.

Congrats to Gazza, Purdie, and Hal on the podium. :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Truetom on April 13, 2009, 01:11:31 PM +0100
Here's one for Legzy :) who preferred to press Esc than collect me. I'm not sure I could force myself to do the same but if I'll have to I'll do it for you. 8)

Made a pb in quali and it was enough for ... wow, 7th place. :P  Made some places in the first stint after some mistakes from others and managed to hold my place against Busi (again ;) ). Hats off to ya Busi, in that a bit slower car. Fortunately you were much faster in track parts where you couldn't overtake and slower in all others. ;D  Towards the half RR caught me and "Busi tricks" didn't work, he went by. :hammer:  We had a scarry moment when a Z4(?) was frozen on track in the middle of T1, RR was 2 metres behind and we both had to go off to get around it. We had a contact but no harm done. :sweatdrop:
Went to pit at half, tyre wear was high and I needed 15 litres of fuel. Fumbled it all. >:(  Took tyres, but no fuel. Had to pit again, took fuel and tyres. :stupid:  Came back 13th and made it to 8th in the end, had to work hard to pass Pete, Carl and Prof. MJ and Spanner were kind enough to spin in front but away, so I could pass unmolested. 
Had some trouble trying to unlap from RR who didn't pit yet. Lost some 5 seconds there for sure, both of us. Would be better if you just let me by, I was a whole lap behind. you.  :(  Btw, when I was driving away (in front) from RR a blue flag was waving (2nd warning!) and I was afraid I'll get disqualified - or is there no flag rules here?

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: nsfast on April 13, 2009, 01:34:50 PM +0100
Big sorry to nsfast (I think) at the first hairpin - just couldn't see my breaking point in the dark and hit your rear end. Hope it didn't damage you.

No problem Ted. I'm sure it didn't effect my race. My pace was too slow and inconsistent to compete with some of the exceptional driving on display last night.

Congrats to the podium. Nice to see 57goldtop complete his first race.  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Burtoner on April 13, 2009, 02:58:21 PM +0100
Hi guys, Well I think it went pretty well, I knew the track well from my F1 days.
Didnt realise it was a Endurance race, and it was at night!
But had decent start was battling at back, my lap times when I 1st started were in 52s and gradually in race i did 46s/47s, I know its still slow compared to lot of you, but I think thats a decent progress. Car was feeling okish, I could keep it on the track, but it was hard to push that bit more to go quicker.
Did feel more confident in this race than the few races I have done in past.

I didnt realise I couldnt get on server at first, then I had to install that new car pack, which was fine to connect with after, not sure if Syd was having this problem.

Hope you all agree with me, and hope you guys are ok with me racing with you.
Look forward to any comments/suggestions you have.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: Syd Drake on April 13, 2009, 03:06:51 PM +0100
I got on the server seconds before the start with no practice after all the problems. Still haven't found out how to turn off the rev meter from the HUD.
Then I parked it after 9 laps to watch the MotoGP race. That turned out great.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: JPS on April 13, 2009, 08:19:18 PM +0100
Been suffering with a real bad stomach bug over the last few days guys....feel absolutely wasted at the moment...will try to make this race tomorrow if I am in any kind of shape :'(
Can someone get this new racing chair over to JPS before tomorrow?
(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/gothwitch_bucket/images.jpg)

Nice one Goth Witch might still need it for Tuesday yet ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: purdie on April 13, 2009, 08:24:50 PM +0100
Then I parked it after 9 laps to watch the MotoGP race. That turned out great.

looolll..... at least it turned out okay in the end  :) ......well 2nd isn't bad, he'll bounce back  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Endurance (GTC) - Sunrise at Hockenheim (GP) - Apr 12
Post by: goldtop on April 13, 2009, 08:35:34 PM +0100
Congrats to the podium. Nice to see 57goldtop complete his first race.  :)
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Thanks for that nsfast :)

I was so pleased that I managed to get round without any major incidents apart from a sticky speed limiter at the start and running wide at Mobil a couple of times.

Thanks to Gazza for giving me some setup help in pre practice which helped me to get the 430 driving like a dream. I was still way off pace and spent most of the race looking in my mirrors and not wanting to hold up the fast guys (everyone else).

Can't wait till next time.