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Practice 1:	20:00	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:10	(25 mins)
Race:	20:35	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GTC from the UKGTR Physics Pack v2.9.5.1 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
Weather: changeable, seeded from real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: UKGTR Monza (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) as part of the UKGTR Track Pack v1.2)
Race Start Time: 06:00 - sunrise race
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Lower Endurance
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Standings and schedule can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=197;theme=3)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the car and track packs (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).

First race I can join, and it's Monza  :(

I will make this race too. :)

:D was thinking the same about Monza... and in the balance process the Spyker was crippled horsepower wise (-5%), why o why?! :o

Nice to see you back Jeff 8)

Can't make this one!
I love Monza.... :'( :'( :'(

Can't make this one either... hmm... Vertislow in Monza, I can't imagine how slow it would have been LOL

Hope you can do at least one of the last two UE races Jeff :D

Chance of rain...  :shifty:  Might be the only way to nip some points off of Z4 drivers.  :ninja:

Will also miss this one as all flights are full till Sunday  :cursing: :censored: :death: :2guns: :gun_bandana: :hammer: :hang: :thumbdown: :nuke: :taz:

bummer  :(

Should make this one :) Only enjoy the 811 of this car choice and cant wait to beat some Z4s, well Legzys anyways.

ahhhhh don't say it, don't say it! you'll get my hopes up again and it won't rain again...  :no:

Guess who got a flight back early  :shifty:

ah don't say it, don't say it!

....We're doomed! :helpsmilie:

He probably nicked a plane and flew it back himself. :laugh:

Hi All,

Thought I would post and say hi.

I'm new to this league and am gonna run with you guys tonight at Monza in the GTC DB9 as a precursor to some Lambo GT1 and GT2 action going forward too..

Not as fast as your top guys so I will keep out the way as best I can for now.

See ya later

D917

Hi Delaney917 welcome along. Dont worry most of us arn't as fast as the top guys!

Right, in training yesterday I got beaten by two Sunday drivers, some JonM and SBG or some such.  :whistling:

TT

Just went online to do a bit of practise before the F1 race and the UKGTR server was not showing  ??? ???

I was on the server last night and lost connection with it, so I pressume I already broke something ;)

Actually I'll have to take the credit for breaking the server. I was alt tabbing and my game crashed. I went to look for the server and it wasn't there anymore. Don't know maybe it didn't like me crashing the game twice in 10 minutes. Sorry I'm bad.  :ninja:

Please don't rain, please don't, please don't rain. :boat:

Viper is awesome here in the dry but, put a bit of water on the track and it all goes Pear shaped.

I think the lobby had a hissy fit, GTR2 was stuck saying it couldn't log in. Restarted and Spanner's been on so hopefully all better now.

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DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!

I've never got on with this place where its all about taking the curbs as fast as possible, in fact i dont think i've finished a race here. And so it came to pass. I turned in too early to the final left in Ascari, took too much curb which sent the back end swinging round and went straight in the tyres.

Whats really annoying was it was shaping up to be a brilliant race. Had to take it gentle on the first lap to get the tyres up which let TT and Jose through but reeled them back in, firstly while Jose was having his own handling issues then TT in to the first chicane. The Porka is fast, i was gaining loads along the straight.

Gawd what a yawn- athon that was  :sleep1:

Really wasnt in the mood for racing tonight...i blame the afternoon beers in the sun  ;)

Top 10 was an alien lock out (have you all returned from your galactic wars somewhere in a galaxy far away?)  :surrender:

Couldnt make any in-roads into top 10, stayed 12th for almost whole race length. Gradually lost more and more interest and started making mistakes and two cut warnings for using a bit of the green stuff at the chicane whilst blinded by sunlight  ::)

In the end i got two wheels off the edge under heavy braking and was heading for the barriers at high speed so hit the magic escape button to avoid two virtual broken legs ala Schumacher.  :(
Didnt enjoy that race at all.

Yeah this UKGTR track is too picky with the cutting. I just can't do 42 laps so perfect that I never cut a slight bit and so ended up with 3 warnings > stop & go.

Had a blast racing a lot of people, though with only 5 gears (Spyker) it's a tough job keeping the revs up when tyre wear is kicking in.
Was lots of fun keeping Lazlow away from me, but in the end he got away after a slight off moment ;D

What a tough but great race 8) Again all the ingrediants were there...GTC my favourite class this season 8)

Had an invisable battle with Legzy for most of the race, you were just too quick for where it counted :ninja: today buddy

However more importantly managed to give my recent nemesis Gizmo, a good thrashing..it was nice to return the compliment Dave ;) :P

Only Legends car to finish I think respectable 11th/12th I think 8)

Qualified 10th and was confident of a top 5 or even better finish because I wasn't sure I needed any fuel at my pit stop. Was in 5th at one point before pit stop so things were going to plan and I was thinking about a possible 3rd place behind the 2 aliens. I pitted and ended up putting in another 4 litres just to be safe as it was looking close. This saw me gain loads of time on people as expected, but I threw all the advantage away with an off at the last corner, a spin at the second chicane and another bigger off at the last corner again. Darn. Nevermind, I had great fun racing again tonight and was very nice to finally put those BMW Z4Ms in their place at a circuit that showed their only weakness (top end speed). Still I thought I was fast in a straight line in my Morgan, but when Jeff come up to lap me it was like he was in a GT1 or something LOL. Good showing on your return Jeff, I was hoping the flying lessons would have made you forget how to drive, but alas no, far too quick as usual. :P

Sadly I'm with MJ, possibly the only dull GTR2 race I've had this season. :sleep1:
Total laps fighting = two (with Napo).
Was nursing an empty tank for the last four laps, which nearly cost me a place to JPS & did cost me the ability to defend off Napo  :'(

I did laugh though at how slow my Z4 was on the straights despite running wing of 2-2  ::) & getting good corner exits. Could barely keep in peoples slip streams!
Other then that, nothing to report. :(

I had a CTD in qually but I only ended up 1 place back after coming back in. I had so-so race for me. A good result but with many spins and a contact with Ted. The Vipers were a pain to race as they were slow in the corners and beastly down the straights and I was trying to get on the throttle early coming out of the first chicane to try and get beside Ted for the run upto the second chicane but all I did was misjudge it and I hit his back end spinning him around on the exit at T1  :( Sorry Ted. After the pitstops I had no action at all and was surprised to see Busi and I think H@l pit again, this left me a clear run to the line for 2nd with no real threat from behind and no chance of catching JazzyJeffNL at the front. Grats on the win Jeff, it's good to see you back for a race 8) 8) 8)

Not my fave track by a long way either but, had a pleasant race :)

First half of race was mostly hotlapping until Jon and some overs came to grief and had an encouraging 10 second gap on them up to pit. Then my stop was even slower (54 seconds) than last week when I tried out the ruddy team Oldie pit crew (just how decrepit are team KC's? :D). I think I'll try a Shark crew next week if I can. Jon jumped me through pits, I guess he didn't need to take on fuel and I'm rather kicking myself for not using the Cup version if thats the case.

Second half of race was hardwork. First off catching and overtaking Gazzas wheezy BMW (you were suffering from those "micro freezes" again I'm afraid to say) and then hunted down by one of the ballistic Vipers. He (Hol was it?) caught me in fast chicane but didn't force the issue knowing he would get by on main straight. I was truly gutted when he caught me so fast into parabolica that it caught him by surprise and he went into gravel rather than hit me. Really don't want to take a place that way :'(

Gotta say driving standards were exceptional  :) Best example was Rad who gave us plenty of room into second chicane, where he knew we couldn't see anything. That said, some noob called JR ruined my attempt to beat his pole on his outlap  ;) Seriously, good to have JR back and congrats to Jon.

Hope to do that again but I'm off to sunny Spain (Ola!) for my hols soon.

So because the server wouldn't show up when I wanted to practice I came in with very little practice. This problem was compounded with me competing in an Aliens Galore race. And when Busi suddenly popped up in the race I was just waiting for Purdie and Freq and all the other UKGTR aliens to pop up! :whistling:

On to race I decided med fronts hard rears. Turned out to be the bad choice as tire wear wasn't so bad here but had little practice to see that. Hards was tough on traction and running over the kerb I almost lost it at lesmo 2 exit then promptly lost it at the exit of ascari. Race was tough from there on as I wasn't even able to compete against the guys I qualified around. I came in for my stop and decided soft fronts and med rears which again turned out to be the wrong choice. I was faster however the balance wasn't good. Should have gone with similar tires on front and back. Had a good battle with Legzy I think when I came out. Lost it at the 2nd chicane with 2 laps to go and Legzy was driving rather slowly and I past him back. Not sure if he had a problem or what.

Altho I sucked it was a good race for me pushing all the way thru the race. Also nice to see all the aliens show up...wish you guys would all show up at the same race more. :thumbup2:

Congrats to Ruskus on the dominating win and to John and Ginsters for completing the podium. :)

Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20090510%20U9LE/index.html)

Lol, sorry about that. I was just braking for the corner when your nametag popped up, and at the apex you were right behind me already  :o. During the lapping of Simon I noticed just how much I lost with braking in the Viper, that shocked me and if only I knew earlier  :-[

Nice race. :)

I kind of messed things up a bit by getting my self a stop and go penualty. ::)


Yer, I was gutted as well. It was shaping up to be a good fight but I was caught out in the braking zone for the last corner. I had to put it in the gravel to prevent my mistake from ending both our races. It was for the best. :angel: I did not loose too much time from it, considering.

I have to agree that it was fun to get my own back on the Z4. No driving around the out side of me today. ;D

Well done podiums.

So, after struggling all season with the Viper it finally came good of course at Monza.

Got a PB by a huge margin during quali and finally got to find out what things look like near the front of the grid. I knew I would probably bottle it at some point but was surprised how long I managed to hold it together, having an enjoyable mini-battle with teammate Hal in the process.


Just one of the things mate, thanks for waiting for me to get back on. Started to fall back through the field a bit after that as the tyres went off as well.

After the pitstops though I clawed my way back up to 6th eventually - my best performance so far and great fun.

I can't make the last race in 2 weeks so thanks for a great season's racing and to all the organisers for all the hard work behind the scenes. Still can't believe how well managed this league is  8)

The Z4 just wasn't fast here even with a Ruskus-esque 1-1 wing setup. I suffered my first ever CTD during qually (first race with Win 7 RC).
I had great fun chasing Syd in his mobile smoke machine for many laps. Every time I got close, his smoking brakes/tyres  blinded me. Together with the low sun at the second chicane it was next to impossible to spot an apex. We had several near collisions one of which led to me taking avoiding action at the parabolica sending Picnic off as he had to avoid me.
Things continued in much the same way looking like a badly scripted James Bond chase scene until I finally made contact with Syd - sorry. I waited to rejoin battle and although I felt I could lap faster if I could overtake, I could find no fair way past as the Z4 lacked grunt,
I got my come uppance when a black and yellow car tapped me off in the same place and once I made a late pit stop I found myself in a gap big enough to take the stop/go I undeservedly got without losing a place.

Well done to Jeff who was flying tonight (groan) and the other podium finishers.

Tried to have a go at Jeff but didn't work. Neither in quali (he beat me by 1 tenth) nor race (couldn't close the gap on him after my bad first racing lap). End of my race LOL as I was lapping all the time in 2nd around 6-7 seconds behind him. After the pitstops, still 5-6 seconds behind, I had to go so parked the car in the pits.

I took the Viper for this race cause if the Vertigo was already 1.5-2 seconds slower in other circuits... could've been 3 or more here :laugh:

Grats Jeff and podies

I've heard of this guy, he's such an arse. We should ban him before our league is corrupted.  8)

I was always proud to be just behind Z4s in most races here. Aliens aside, F430 GTC was totaly and utterly outclassed here. I must say I didn't enjoy my race and the two contacts in Parabolica were the final nails in the coffin. Quit just before end, I simply had enough.

I was never comfortable with cars changing mid season. If you're a tough guy - stick with it. For good. And for bad. This is not directed to particular drivers, just a comment in general that reflects my oppinion.  :-\

TT

Heh heh, the Aston was always going to be well off the pace at Monza - absolutely everything was flying past me on the straights (and then holding me up in the corners!).

However, I knew I would also pick up quite a few places from people who are unable to drive within limits and go off or garner lots of cut tracks, and so it proved. :P Hopefully Snetterton will be the same, as I'm likely to be similarly off the pace there.

I'm starting to thinker with setups and I need your help.
Before the only difference between my practice and race setups was soft/soft tires for practice, med/med or hard/hard race tires. This was resulting in me being 2-3 seconds slower than in qualifying from the start, and than it would get worse as the race went on. Through trial and error I figured out that the best tire combination for me (on a dry track of course) seems to be hard front, soft rear. With that I was able to set a fastest lap time here within 1.2 seconds of my practice time, and more importantly I was able to lap in that range the whole race.
So what are the most common thing you set differently in you qually and race setups?
And also what is the ukgtr monza? What is different from the original track that comes with gtr2? Grip levels? If so, are the setups in online folders any good for it? I'm far from making my own setups, so I rather would try to just edit already existing ones, for now.
And this is the second time someone said I was smoking my tires rather badly under braking. So obviously I'm not doing my braking correctly.. Do you guys stay on the throttle while braking? In GPL I sometimes keep the throttle almost half way pressed while braking. This tactic doesn't seem to work too great in GTR, I seem to end up braking way too early, as I can't slow down the car on time from the usual braking point. The usual being when I release the throttle all the way, or leave just a tiny bit to help stabilize the car.
Now I know proper braking is a long subject, and I've read some articles on it. I'm not looking for an in depth explanation here, just a simple pointer or two.

I just open radiator, maybe change brake duct vent, different tyres and sometimes less rpm, but that's it really :P


UKGTR version has stricter anti-cutting rules, nothing else is changed.


Your fronts were locking up badly, so move brake bias further to the rear. Move it so far back till the rear steps out under braking, or when brake temps becone equal allround. I use a bit of throttle to keep the car under control under downshifts.

I saw you smoking all over the place as well. As soon as you hear them lockup (the sound is different to skidding) release pressure from the brake.
You only think you brake faster, because you apply more pressure, but as soon as they lock up it's the other way around :)

If you can't hear the skidding properly > options > audio > skid volume to 200%

Hard front soft rear?!  :-\

I would say the opposite would be better for Monza. I tend to run med-med most places. The hard fronts might be contributing to your locking up as the fronts will always be stone cold and thus have less grip and give you awful understeer.

If it's a confidence thing, maybe you should try the Lambo (has a lovely balance, if a little slower overall) or even use a GT2. The 550 is the fastest car in the game, but also not the easiest to drive quickly.

Thanks for all the advice.
Actually hard front, soft rear was the only combination where I was getting equal tire wear all around. For example medium all around was resulting in almost all the way worn out fronts by the pitstop at around 45 minutes, while rear tires were at maybe 70%. We'll see how it will be after I try to adjust my braking and brake bias.

F430 does use fronts more, though in your case it seems a bit extreme - you have to set it so that it understeers less.  :)  I find I do it more and more and it's also more of a pleasure to drive. Porker seems more forgiving in this case, as fezza will spit you off the track in no time.  :D

TT

Yikes, I had a tough first UKGTR innings with multiple lost connections during Qually and then in Race.

I just wanted to get myself in and sorted for this race and keep out of trouble but it seems that my connection is not enough at 3Mb on average?

All my connection and network settings are ok but we will see what happens at the next race.

D917

Don't hit the panic button about your connection just yet. Some of us do semi-regularly suffer dropped connections during Qually. It's a bit of a bummer but is normally fine for the race.
FYI, if you turn out to be one of the people that suffer this Qually connection dropouts, I don't think anyone has been dropped while in the pits (So set a PB ASAP & then sit sweating in the pits hoping nobody beats your time  ;))

That's three times what mine is! >:( :laugh:

I watched you for a while during practice and qually and there was the odd long freeze, as if something else was using your network (eg. virus scanner doing updates, email being retrieved, that sort of stuff). It's not wireless I assume? There was another car doing the same, can't remember who now.

Gazza49er had a sort of network stutter.

Hmm, thanks guys and good tip for quall Legzy! Unfortunatly I lost connection in the race too..

I don't run wireless and was getting a big lock up before each lost connction so mabey Gizmo is right and its third party software up to something in the background. Either that or my pc is getting on a bit and cant keep up with 20+ players when track is busy.

Will make sure that everything is locked down on my system and see how it pans out.

Thanks

D917