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Title: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 06, 2009, 08:00:48 AM +0100
Practice 1:20:15(10 mins)
Qual 2:20:25(20 mins)
Race:20:45(40 minutes)note: no warmup

Cars allowed: any GT2 from the UKGTR Physics Pack v2.9.5.1 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
Weather: Seeded from real-world conditions, fixed for the full event (note to server starter - set changeability to zero)
Track: Oschersleben GP 2004
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: No mandatory pit stop.

Server: UKGTR Lower Sprint
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Standings and schedule can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=199;theme=3)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the car pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: purdie on May 12, 2009, 12:07:28 PM +0100
not very good here so will have to sack off work early to practice!  :)

I think the enduro will be very tough!  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Jeffrey on May 12, 2009, 12:52:41 PM +0100
Wow that Lambo sounds great  :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Legzy on May 12, 2009, 01:00:23 PM +0100
Currently sat in seventh spot in the table & was running 7th in the race... My home network froze & my race was over. Gutted. >:(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: spanner on May 12, 2009, 09:25:10 PM +0100
GRRRR.  >:(

Every time you have a problem Legzy I seem to suffer with it as well!

After a stupid error while right up there with team 'nemesis' I got spat out straight into the barriers through the chicane out the back. I was slowly making my way back up the field and aiming at Matt infront of me when my screen went black and had to reset the PC.

Gutted. Wanted to just finish tonight as towards the end i was going to struggle on the tyres. Donington should suit it alot better, if i can stay in the top ten at the end i'll be well chuffed.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: picnic on May 12, 2009, 09:47:08 PM +0100
Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20090512%20U9LS/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Gazza49er on May 12, 2009, 09:51:01 PM +0100
How very embarrassing  :P i fell off my chair on the warm up lap and hit the barrier  :D :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Jeffrey on May 12, 2009, 09:51:17 PM +0100
Had a great race.

Qually was already exciting, Busi did a good lap and 3 laps in a row I was a few hundreds of his time, but just couldn't do it this time with a few seconds to spare ;).

Busi had a good start but went off in lap 3 or so, giving me the lead, which I quickly gave to Purdie by going off myself ;D.

Then I was behind the Tru...Purdie train for 10 laps or so, trying to figure out how to get past :).
I had a good run between turn 4 and the McDonalds Curve and got alongside. But I thought it was too risky to overtake there and I only wanted to scrape off some momentum, but got a little nudge from behind so I was pushed back into the manoeuvre ;D.
Didn't get the lead from Purds with that, but he ran a bit wide corner later which granted me the lead.

Had 2 spins in my run towards the finish, which both almost threw it away  ::).

I heard many had a great race, so if you guys want me to make a video, you can post replaytimes and I'll check it out, it's been a while since I've done it ;D.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: RAD on May 12, 2009, 09:56:11 PM +0100
Thanks for putting up with my fumblings all...was a pig from the start  :P
Apologies for being in the wrong place to all who tried overtaking me/ hitting people in the process . Not a fan of this track but at least i had a few laps of racing this time, instead of being abducted by aliens and raced off the planet ;)
At least i got my wish .. a lambo on the top step, shame it wont be mine for a few years by the looks of things ;)
Congrats to quick blokes.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Busi on May 12, 2009, 10:18:12 PM +0100
That was so much fun ;D although I'm a bit sad for losing the race in such a silly way... forgetting to turn into the triple left hander ::) well actually some others did mistakes there too lol

Started on pole, kept a good advantage at the start, then threw it away and down to 5th or so. Passed MJ with my super top speed. Then the moment of the race, at the same moment that Jeff took the lead, Jose went off at the left side of the track and TT went of on the right, I went passed both ;D ;D ;D

Right behind Purdie then, we also had a good battle (will check for replay times!) but I made another two mistakes.

Then I realised it was gonna be 28 and not 27 laps! was 2 litres short of fuel, which I had to safe in the last 4 laps (TAKE THAT MASSA! :P)

Finished right behind TT after trying to push him a bit :)

Grats Jeff


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Jimmie on May 12, 2009, 10:27:05 PM +0100
Wow that Lambo sounds great  :o

Thanks for the compliment :angel:

I made the soundset back then while modding with Auto-Art, but it was kinda rushed cause they all had big plans and blabla, which was kinda the time to step out of it all ;D
(now looking back I personally don't really like it anymore, but I'm too lazy fixing it. Still have some footage DVD's from Reiter Engineering Lambo's lying somewhere :))
Afterwards someone else modified mostly the external sound files and somehow the startup noise (which was perfect ::) ), check GameData\Sounds\Gallardo\gallardoex_startup.wav for the original one (though being the external mono one, you'll get the idea).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 12, 2009, 10:29:14 PM +0100
Another "almost" race for me.

Almost did some practice before the race but kept getting sidetracked.

Almost made a working setup but then wimped out of putting softs on for the race despite being reasonably sure they'd last. It seemed okay for the first 10 minutes or so and I almost held Prof off until running wide through T1.

But after 15 or 20 minutes, once the front left side tyres started to wear the lack of any temperature in the front right destroyed the car's balance and it became a major handful. Almost held Spanner up after his off until I again ran wide trying to manhandle the car around and let him though.

Then just had RAD to hold up, and was again just about doing so until I ran slightly wide out of the penultimate corner, and couldn't scrub off enough speed before reaching the final turn and ran directly into the tyres. Pulled off and at first I thought everything was okay until I checked to see if anyone was approaching from behind and noticed the huge plume of smoke! Engine health 1%. Almost gone. Hmm.

Tried to drive back round to the pits on the grass but only got as far as the right hander after the triple left before reaching an impenetrable fortress of gravel and giving up. ::)

At least I now know that for Sunday's Endurance race I need to change the gears a bit more, add wing and jack the rear up.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Jeffrey on May 12, 2009, 10:30:50 PM +0100
Great job on the sounds Jimmie, probably the best sounding car of GTR2!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Mark J on May 12, 2009, 10:58:11 PM +0100
that was a humdinger of a race from lights to flag  8)

Qually battle was tight with the top 5 all in the 25's. Couldnt match my pB of 1:25.126  :o but was happy enough with 5th considering my wheel is playing up.
It was action all the way as soon as the lights went green and i attacked TT as much as i dared whilst keeping an eye on Legz behind me. After a few laps Legzy dropped back and i attacked TT a fair bit though i was scared stiff of rear ending him on this tight and twisty track, getting rather too close a few times when he got a bit out of shape and decided to hang back a tad. Had a perfect view of the inter car battles going on in the top 4 ahead with me on the end of the train and think i got upto 3rd or 4th a couple of times as people ran a bit wide. Couldnt hold off Busi's recovering, flying Panoz and was hoping his tyres would go off near end but it never happened.
Enjoyed a climactic battle with purds porker for 4th place for last 8-10 mins, attacking him at every corner, but i couldnt stay close enough through those chicanes on my very worn tyres. My front left was down to the threads i think ! and i decided as much as i wanted to get past him, i didnt want to throw the car off in the process and lose my well earned 5th.
Wish i had stayed closer though as he ran wide a couple of times in dying laps  ;)

Great fighting Purds, we crossed the line about 3/10ths apart !!  :fencing: 8)

Congrats to Jeff (cursed alien  ;) ) , Busi and TT for their great podium finishes.  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Josè Arrogantio on May 12, 2009, 11:14:45 PM +0100
I had a good run between turn 4 and the McDonalds Curve and got alongside. But I thought it was too risky to overtake there and I only wanted to scrape off some momentum, but got a little nudge from behind so I was pushed back into the manoeuvre ;D.
Glad I could be of assistance  :ninja:

I heard many had a great race, so if you guys want me to make a video, you can post replaytimes and I'll check it out, it's been a while since I've done it ;D.
510 – The world’s greatest ever overtaking manoeuvre :lol:
995 – I rearrange my suspension
Some good shots from my bumper cam at about 730, very close stuff!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Truetom on May 12, 2009, 11:17:11 PM +0100
It was a bit tense there from the beginning, MJ. I was scared of the same thing you were. ;D  Would let you by if you were that much faster but after some close laps you seem to fall behind a bit.

Can't seem to really write anything special about the race. I made only one mistake and it allowed Busi to pass. Seems others were making mistakes and I benefited from them - Gazza  ::) , Jose, Purdie, Busi, MJ. Just kept a solid driving and watched to make a good exit. Made it, not even Panoz was close enough for a serious try.  :)

Timestamps for JR: only 2280 - TT and Busi passing spinned RAD. Scarry moment, ended well.  8)

Grats JR and X. Good show MJ, Steve.  8)  

's gonna be a tight fight for Championship Title in Lower Sprint. Hopefully.  ;)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Josè Arrogantio on May 12, 2009, 11:33:51 PM +0100
's gonna be a tight fight for Championship Title in Lower Sprint. Hopefully.  ;)

Donington Prediction;
                             Busi 1st
                             TT 4th
Busi wins Title by 1 point  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: purdie on May 12, 2009, 11:44:30 PM +0100
yeah was a great race  :)  8)

it was damage limitation as I don't like this track and usually end races negotitating the kurbs on that chicane  ::)

suprised myself with a 3rd in quali with a banzai lap i cudn't replicate again  :laugh:

start went well inheriting 1st for the a while after Jeff and Busi made mistakes. Had some pressure from Jeff who in-turn had pressure from Jose. Jeff made a move into the chicane after I had a bad exit and got well alongside, I backed off and to avoid turning-in on him I straight lined it, but I didn't realise he had back off too. In the panic I went wide on the exit of the corner onto the back straight and Jeff got past  ;D.... it was only a matter of time  ;)

my consistency was all over the place and so was my car. After a few more mistakes a charging TT  :) and a fast recovering Busi got past. I hope I didn't cause you too much hassle Busi  :P MJ closed in on me and I was struggling with tyres and so was he..... in the end lets just say I was glad there wasn't an extra lap  :D

Great race and grats to podium and Jeff on a solid win

ps. sorry RAD for a side swipe   ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Busi on May 12, 2009, 11:45:47 PM +0100
Timestamps for Jeff:

835 - I overtake MJ
1000 - The craziest moment LOL this needs at least 3 replays of what happened ;D
1840 - I fail at trying to overtake Purds hehe
1965 - I (properly) overtake Purdie :D

really looking forward to your video mate :)

Great racing guys, looking forward to the Upper Endurance race!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: goldtop on May 12, 2009, 11:57:28 PM +0100
Really enjoyed the race tonight, unlike Sunday in the GT1s. Tried the lambo yesterday, but just couldn't get to grips with it. I found the 430 much more manageable and forgiving so decided to go with that. Managed to lap quite consistently without any real incidents and picked up a few places through others misfortunes.

Looking forward to Sunday.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Truetom on May 13, 2009, 07:44:30 AM +0100
's gonna be a tight fight for Championship Title in Lower Sprint. Hopefully.  ;)

Donington Prediction;
                             Busi 1st
                             TT 4th
Busi wins Title by 1 point  ;D


With my luck I'll lose connection... https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5350.0  :(

TT

Edit: Where is Psuedo this season? Wanted to ask all along - something was missing jumping around me on track.  :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Steve Holmes on May 13, 2009, 08:31:23 AM +0100
Go TT!   ;D

Solid if unspectacular race for me, no huge errors, improved on this track towards the end after finding it a total nightmare to 'get' when I practiced, and was dead pleased to be matching Shark tenth for tenth for the last 10 or so laps, no way I was going to get past...until a mistake let me through. Shame that, was good practice just to maintain a solid pace and see where we were differing in lines and corner speeds.

Yet again, no passes other than people falling off or losing momentum, but gotta be pleased to be the top finishing stock-GTR car, except for JR, who doesn't count 'cause he's too alien!   ;) :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Steve Holmes on May 13, 2009, 08:51:40 AM +0100
Coffee just hit my brain and it appears to have kick started...is the Gallardo an add-on....?  :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 13, 2009, 09:35:05 AM +0100
Edit: Where is Psuedo this season? Wanted to ask all along - something was missing jumping around me on track.  :P

He'll be back soonly... ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Truetom on May 13, 2009, 10:34:25 AM +0100

He'll be back soonly... ;)

Lol, I bet my English teacher would slap my wrist if I used this word.  :D
The news is good, though. He's a solid guy.  8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 13, 2009, 11:52:13 AM +0100
He'll be back soonly... ;)
Lol, I bet my English teacher would slap my wrist if I used this word.  :D

The Strangerers (http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0235944/) obviously never escaped from the UK then. :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Truetom on May 13, 2009, 11:59:17 AM +0100
Nah, we got Monty Pythons and Allo, Allo. Oh, and Poirot, of course.  ::)

"Long distance dick", "What a mistake(a) da make(a)" and "I was pissing by the door" phrases are legendary here. Hilariously good stuff.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Mark J on May 13, 2009, 01:06:04 PM +0100
I know this may be a controversial statement (unlike me eh?...but its been a while  ;) ) but wouldnt it be better for these championships if we introduced a minimum attendance for people to score points? ie 50% of the races etc
We discussed this on our team forum and thought that its a little unfair that those of us who have fought hard all season for championship honours now find ourselves losing valuable points to the 'johnny come lately' aliens  :(
They would still win the race and go in the stats for posterity or whatever but their attendance would be more as 'star drivers' and non points scorers.
I know the basic idea is that we should beat the 'turn up' aliens too but thats not too realistic unless they fall off the track.
The top 3 slots are worth a lot of points so its quite painful when they are nicked this late on and can make all the difference to end of season tallies.
Its just an idea for fairer champs, no real biggy.

Your thoughts?....


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Legzy on May 13, 2009, 01:14:40 PM +0100
Welcome back MJ  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 13, 2009, 01:52:36 PM +0100
MJ - I don't see a practical way of implementing that without making the championship tables unreadable, at least until after mid-season.

Besides, if we could actually fill grids with regulars it would be a different matter but as you know we abandoned the whole registration malarky because by mid-season the grids are half empty, and I don't see how attempting to discourage occaisional drivers, especially towards the end of the season (when an oversubscribed grid might have the most impact on a series regular) when we normally need them the most.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Jimmie on May 13, 2009, 02:10:54 PM +0100
You can solve it by using an even points spread, but I'm doubting that being a good idea :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Truetom on May 13, 2009, 03:15:32 PM +0100
On our team forum we were discussing it, seen the point in proposing it and also seen the point in it being hard to organize and discouragement(?) to attract drivers. Hope we don't get reduced to moaners 'cause this really is NOT the main point of it. :nono:  It's just that the change of trend of points being gained is much different if pody points are being snatched away suddenly in the last two or three races.  :(

But yes, DG, I can also see your point and the last thing I'd like is drivers getting away. :( Even so, 50% attendance as a condition to Champ points seems sensible to me. Losing connection/disco/freeze would still count as being there, of course.  :)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Jeffrey on May 13, 2009, 03:21:25 PM +0100
It's a shame some people don't have the option of joining every race as they have lives around it. :-X.

Take my points away if that makes the Legends happy  :wetfish:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Truetom on May 13, 2009, 04:41:13 PM +0100
See, that's the post I was trying to avoid.  :(  Glad to have you around, Rusky, and Jon, and SBG and Freq and Kerr and Busi and all aliens. You always set a hard margin and something to hope someday to achieve.  :)  Though I feel as much as I try it stays right in front of my nose, like a carrot to a donkey.  :P
Still the best League here, just let's be friendly and try to see others views, ok?  ;)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Josè Arrogantio on May 13, 2009, 05:03:11 PM +0100
Could you not have a registration period at the start of a season for people who intend to compete in most of the rounds?
Anyone else who turns up will be entered as a “guest driver” who will not score points.
The guest with the most wins could be the guest champion.
It lets latecomers fight for podiums without affecting the championship.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Legzy on May 13, 2009, 05:05:25 PM +0100
I'm still recovering from not appearing on TT's Alien list  :o :'( ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Blunder on May 13, 2009, 05:21:20 PM +0100
May be anyone under 45 or over 47 or has a full head of hair or drinks girly Lager or supports Newcastle football club or any football club for that matter or anyone from up North or from abroad or is ugly or wets the bed at night or likes parsnips or thinks Nascar is boring! lol ! or flies a plane ! lol, or likes Porsche's should have their points suspended too !?  :lol:

If sooooo, I win, I win !! :lol:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Mark J on May 13, 2009, 05:48:51 PM +0100
yeah thanks for that useful input JR  ::) try taking those 'i hate legends' blinkers off and read it again. ;)
This isnt about 'me', its about the top 5 drivers in the champs at the moment in close season long battles.
the post was nothing at all about stopping people driving, it was about the points availability. We've all got busy lives to fit our racing in around which has made it even more gauling when we attempt to make as many rounds as possible in our hopes of champ glory, only to then see it all snatched away at the end by you aliens returning.  :P I wouldnt want anyone not attending, hence me saying they still get their wins/positions recorded in the standard srouk hall of fame/stats.
This situation hasnt arisen before but its now affecting all 3 series at their endgame (both enduros and GT2 sprint).

You wouldnt get this situation in any real motor sport...can you imagine schumi being allowed to turn up for last 3 rounds of, say BTCC etc and blitzing the field.  ;D

Like i said, it was just a polite suggestion/request for future series and opened for debate here.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Busi on May 13, 2009, 06:27:15 PM +0100
In my opinion everybody has the same right to score points in each race... people only attending one or two races already have a penalty, which is not being able to fight for the championship :)

The top 3 slots are worth a lot of points so its quite painful when they are nicked this late on and can make all the difference to end of season tallies.

Instead of complaining about them taking the points, we should be thankful because they give us the points from all the races they don't attend ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Truetom on May 13, 2009, 06:28:17 PM +0100
I'm still recovering from not appearing on TT's Alien list  :o :'( ;)

 :blink:  Sorry.  :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Jeffrey on May 13, 2009, 06:59:50 PM +0100
I think the reason why this pops up now is because there are Legends drivers at the top of the table. I've taken points off teammates and other teams in the passed, but that wasn't a problem back then for some  ::)

Instead of complaining about them taking the points, we should be thankful because they give us the points from all the races they don't attend ;D

Lol, that's looking on the bright side of life ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Truetom on May 13, 2009, 07:44:46 PM +0100
I think the reason why this pops up now is because there are Legends drivers at the top of the table. I've taken points off teammates and other teams in the passed, but that wasn't a problem back then for some  ::)

 :blink:  Aren't the pilots supposed to be smart?  :blink:

I'm not flying with you!  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: spanner on May 13, 2009, 07:55:06 PM +0100
Ever the controversial one MJ ;D

As much as i hate the dropped scores or rounds method of some real life series's it does have merit especially if we continue to have mass disco's and freezes due to running the new cars. You can lessen the impact of connection issues and allow it to fit in around real life.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: ginsters sponsored on May 13, 2009, 07:57:11 PM +0100
I can understand why JR has reacted like he has. Perhaps, like me, to bring this up now, and not at end of season, doesn't make him or me feel very welcome until this season is over. It reads like a suggestion that JR and his ilk shouldn't be allowed to join or it will spoil a "championship" fight for this season. Maybe I've taken it wrong but when has a championship taken precedent over a warm welcome and having some fun here? The timing of this makes me wonder if I'll bother with any more races this season which is a shame as I've finally got time for GTR2 races, my fave. Or, perhaps I've got it all wrong.  

Dropping scores, just the one mind, gets my vote as well.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Mark J on May 13, 2009, 08:07:13 PM +0100
Disclaimer: 'Most' aliens are totally decent people who always offer to help out with setups and advice, so the original post about POINTS and not PARTICIPATION (as is now being hinted at) was never intended to offend any of them. The rest of you offended ones can kiss my hairy a*s.  :-*



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Jeffrey on May 13, 2009, 08:13:14 PM +0100
Too late with the edit MJ, I enjoyed the rest of the post, the part with you saying you don't like aliens attending who drive off in the distance so that you can enjoy your racing more.

Anyway, before FIA changes too many rules this season, here is what it's all about, the racing.

YOUTUBE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=183dYmyZTro&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fmy_videos_edit&feature=player_embedded)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Mark J on May 13, 2009, 08:15:40 PM +0100
you should be in the media with your convenient selection of words left in, you..(insert rude word of your choosing).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Napo on May 13, 2009, 08:42:13 PM +0100
Well I personally love how aliens come in to race. I wish they would all come to race everyrace which would make it even more awesome. :)

As for taking points away that's racing in my opinion. Now just say if you classify these part timers as non-points. Now say if a championship contender is faster than this non points guy but he can't get by him. But because of the non-points drivers, the two contenders are in 1st and 2nd instead of 4th and 6th with everyone being scored points. Even tho they're not right behind each other. That's unfair to the contender stuck behind the non-points driver. And to ask the non-points guy to move over is like asking the driver to not even come race here. So really that non-points thing is a bad idea. The only one thing I could suggest is adding a weight penalty to any driver missing 3 consecutive races for the next race he attends. But the weight comes off if he doesn't miss 3 consecutive races.

I really hope this discussion doesn't stop the aliens from showing up, cuz I'd rather not win a race and race against aliens than win races and not race against aliens. You're not really winning until you're beating aliens. ;D

On another note tho. Team Shark does have the majority of the aliens which kinda sucks for the rest of the teams fighting for the team championship. Perhaps that is what Team Legends is not happy about?



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Mark J on May 13, 2009, 08:58:15 PM +0100
.....and relax.....

ah well, i thought it was worth considering, but obviously not shared by anyone, so forget about it.  :)

A dropped score would be useful to cope with discos, holidays , being nerfed off etc but might create admin headaches ?  :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: purdie on May 13, 2009, 10:12:23 PM +0100
i just can't believe i ever held off jeff for more than 2 corners  :laugh:

EDIT: sick sick video Jeff, great effort! my gf asked if you cud edit it so i win tho  ;) 


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Truetom on May 13, 2009, 10:13:21 PM +0100
Guess it's the tough road this thread has taken.  :(  Not in my right or distorted mind would I want anyone feel unwelcome. It's sure as hell better to get as much aliens driving the whole time - it prevents fake illusions of improvement. Didn't we have a "clown" smilie? Ah, here it is  :clown:

Warmly welcome all - nice to see the server full. Would be nice to have it full also when the testing is being done, eh?  ;)

...

Nah, don't want to write about this anymore. For me the case is closed.  :)

TT

P.S. Nicely done video, JR. High quality stuff.  8)  I'm always proud of UKGTR videos - in difference with other league videos it can be seen we have very few contacts. No shoving around, leaving enough room, racing with brain, not muscle. Is this a friendly Championship then?  :ninja:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Jeffrey on May 13, 2009, 10:26:45 PM +0100
i just can't believe i ever held off jeff for more than 2 corners  :laugh:

EDIT: sick sick video Jeff, great effort! my gf asked if you cud edit it so i win tho  ;) 

Send me a picture of your gf and we can discuss this option ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Busi on May 14, 2009, 12:10:27 AM +0100
Brilliant Jeff, thanks! :D

loved the 3-point of view part ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Blunder on May 14, 2009, 06:52:01 AM +0100
Awesome video JR, really cheered me up this am!

As stated, all welcome! and lets go racin boys!  :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 9 Lower Sprint (GT2) - Oschersleben (GP) - May 12
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 14, 2009, 08:39:48 AM +0100
A dropped score would be useful to cope with discos, holidays , being nerfed off etc but might create admin headaches ?  :-\

The system already has the capability (UKGPL use it) but there's also an element of damned if you do and damned if you don't; somebody who has managed to attend every round just loses out against one of these people who breezes in for the last few races of the season and blitzes them.

We have to accept that the championship here is more fluid than in the more visible real world series simply because there's little or no commitment required to sign up to the whole thing, and short of charging an entry fee I don't see a practical way of creating one (and it doesn't seem to work too well for iRacing!).

You wouldnt get this situation in any real motor sport...can you imagine schumi being allowed to turn up for last 3 rounds of, say BTCC etc and blitzing the field.  ;D

Yes. In fact this situation does arise in the real world sometimes, eg. manufacturers doing a limited number of races in the WRC or ALMS and taking points from the regulars, or drivers standing in for injured ones and taking points.