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Practice 1:	20:00	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:10	(25 mins)
Race:	20:35	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT1 or GT2 from the UKGTR Physics Pack v2.9.5.1 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
Weather: Changeable, seeded from real-world conditions.
Track: Oschersleben GP 2004
Race Start Time: 19:00 (into the night race)
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

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Much to MJ's relief i'm sure, i can't make this as i'm up in York all weekend and probably wont be back till late.

Mildly excited that I can make this one as this track has grown on me and its a good, stern test at enduro length. The Lambo is also mucho fun here :)

The other Lambo (Murch) is also good fun here. Everywhere actually ;D

I hope not to make any n00b mistakes in the opening laps this time, like I've done in the last two races ::)

Not looking forward to this one - 80 minutes in Ford GT on this track is recipe for disaster. "Left! LEFT!" ... "No, no, the other left."  :P

back in the 911 for a GT2 onslaught....... need to work on setup which is the bonus of having the Sprint race as a test  ;)

any suggestions MJ? 

I'm working Sunday evening,  :rockon: so I can't make this one.

See you at Donington.

 ??? Why would i be relieved you not turning up Spanner? are you close on points? (at work cant see table)
My enduro champ bid is over after getting nerfed off last round anyway by a GT1  :( ...whilst 2nd  ::) , and yes im still bitter  ;D
Not sure whats left for me points wise now with only 2 rounds remaining, maybe an outside chance at 3rd place overall finish  :-\ but think even that relies on bad luck for fellow competitors.

Wish we had announced this just before the last round, but hope all GT1 lappers are aware there is a close battle going on in GT2 for the top 5, so i expect we will be sticking to our lines ever more rigidly and less willing to yield until sensible place on track, and Oschers does require some patience !

As for 997 suggestions Purds...yeah, slow down and let me pass next time  ;)  I did note your car was bottoming out quite badly through the fast 's' bends when i was chasing you, like the side of car was hitting the ground so your probably too soft with springs or ARB as its rolling too much  :-\

I think we should impose some kind of ban on 'car developments' between the sprint & enduro events for Purdie  :P.
Like he's not fast enough already  ::) ;)

MJ,
With a possible 30 points still available, here's the current GT2 top five:
1   Legzy      56
2   purdie      54
3   Blunder      44
4   Mark Jonzo   39
5   JPS      36


Due to pitting problems at the last race, I only scored three more points then you at that race myself. So you'll hopefully be pleased to hear that you didn't lose as much ground on the leader as you may have suspected.
We've got two good races left to enjoy & I'm still expecting the podium places to be decided in the last event at Donni (where I'm rubbish).

See you in my rear-view on the grid  ;D

i did considering i was running 2nd at the time with only Ginsters in front (Whos not in the running), so it was a very painful exit.  :'(

Looking forward to continuing the top 5 battle none the less. Even our Legends padewan rookie JPS is up there in the fight, great consistent first season for him  8)

ps...i note is one of your teamies who had me off at Silverstone...can you imagine the conspiracy theories that would abound if this was F1  :shifty:
 ;)

I can indeed. Purdie beware ;)

I'm thinking I might use this car in the race........ watch out MJ  ;D
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2604/dr2k82wy8.jpg (http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2604/dr2k82wy8.jpg)

Go Team Oldie!!

 :blink: :scared: :2guns: :sweatdrop: :clap:

hehe, there is a 911 from that same film, suitably equipped, perhaps i best take that then  :tank:

Let battle commence  :fencing:

Thank you MJ 8)   .......if I can stay fifth or even nick a place to forth will be a great season for me :)

yeah actually, top 6 are all in a battle royal for top 5 honours in the points. You will have to keep a wary eye on that TS man DG snapping at your heels  ;)
Though i wouldnt bet against Ginsters now scoring 3 wins in last 3 races and joining the fray, which seems daft but thems the rules. Perhaps the points tallies are not high enough to prevent very late champ position grabbing ? Either that or we'll nick his pasties and wheel nuts and thwart his bid  ;D

I'm a bit faster than GT2s in my Marcos here. Can I compete in GT2 class with it?  :P

Just tried the 997RSR after testing the 996RSR, and I was immediately 1.2 seconds quicker :o in the dry!!!!!!!!

If we keep the 996 for next season DG, we may need to tweak it ?? or...may even go with the 997 for the last two races if there are no objections and pray it stays dry :nuke:

Heving read you posts regarding the last few races you seemed to want only the top 4, 5 in the champ running and seem to resent all others joining. And now warning the GT1's to be careful around you guys which i'm sure might make the slower GT1's a bit more nervous! I guess some of your comments were mainly aimed at the Aliens muscling in but still to those of us who dont race every race it not particularly welcoming, and I was just running it as a bit of fun anyway.. Just a wry comment ;)

Handbags down ladies! :P :P :P

Spanner, you always wake up that late?  ::)  This ship has sailed.  :)

Edit: Holy COW!  :o   The weather, the WEATHER!  :scared:

Lapping is going to be an issue I think. I will be on my best behaviour ;D

Weather is looking suspect.

Are you really taking the Marcos TT? Fair play if you are, it should be most fun if it rains. ;D

Given previous comments over the weeks...

I'm in a GT2 and will be taking the racing line from now on under all circumstances!
Beware of my early braking etc.
Will not be flashing anyone even the leaders (GT1 ) past.
Be patient and pass on the straights!

This should be fun! lol  ;D

You can all pass me as I fly off at the corners  ;D

oh well that wraps up my championship battle.  Retired on 2nd or 3rd lap.  :'(

First flying lap tried to avoid a rejoining GT1 car that was about to sideswipe me in the fast corner complex, made my own car unsettled and as i fought to control it, got a mighty thump up the jacksey by Legsy who had nowhere to go.
Then about a lap later with me and him at back of the grid, he got out of shape/ran wide on the exit of the downhill turn onto the back straight and as i tried to blast up the inside, the car again got wildly out of shape in the wet and harpooned into the armco. Smashed front lights and splitter off and suspension damage. Called into the pits, dropped 1-2 laps and car wouldnt restart  >:( Had to retire.

Drat.  :(

Legzy for champion !  ;D

Wow, while it lasted that had to be the hardest test I've had in GTR2. In the dark in the rain :o In the end I just kinda gave up after a spin. Looked at motec display and when I glanced back it was too late, i was in a spin. Had no battles at all tonight was just about trying to stay on the track and in the end I lost ;D Well done to all you finishers 8) Cya soon.

ON FOR A PODIUM GT2 FINISH....DRIVING TO CATCH 2nd PLACE AND..CTD (Screen Lock up)  :taz: :taz: :taz: :taz:

Had the same thing happen with five minutes to go in Quali :taz: :taz:

There goes possible fourth in the Championship!!

Got to try and do something about these CTD/Lockups Gizmo for the next season...this is soul destroying :'(

Hope you had a good race TT..

LOL, that was a wierd race indeed.

Couldn't even qualify my GT1 Lister ahead of the GT2 pole (SbG). Started on intermediates and kept with the back of the GT1s. Was going ok, just wanted to keep out of trouble and in these conditions anything can happen. When the rain really started to fall I went in for soft wets (must have been one of the first to do so), topped up with fuel and went back out. Within a couple of laps I couldn't believe it I was catching 3rd and 2nd and then I was in the lead as Busi pitted too! I was so excited I shouted "I'm in the lead" to myself. ROFL.

Attempting to do 60 minutes on softs in the Lister with no tyre temperature was totally evil. I maintained the gap to Busi for a while, about 10 seconds, but then he really started to catch me. Once he caught me up he sat behind for a while and after making no mistakes before that I went wide and off onto the grass in the evil fast triple left hander (that you could barely see in the dark LOL). Ok, maybe he will pit again for fuel in the Lambo, but then I made the same mistake again losing more time at the same corner and allowing Jeff to get close. Finally when Jeff came up in 3rd I made my 3rd identical error at that horrible triple left hander (which I now hate intensly ;D) and let him through for 2nd. Then coasted home for 3rd.

Should be pretty pleased with 3rd considering I qualified behind a GT2, but somehow I feel I maybe could have won that. Who knows. Soft wets after 60 minutes were had and when Busi was catching me when I was leading I really backed off cause I wanted to make sure I had enough fuel after pitting so early. I didn't need to at all, so probably lost quite a bit of time there. If, buts and maybes...typical racing driver LOL.

Well done Busi, I would have preferred to have sat in your Lambo in those conditions, it's great in the wet indeed.

Man, after upgrading my machine it's now so enjoyable to drive in these conditions. 70 fps at night with torrential rain and maximum details, could have not believed it a year ago ;D

I qualified 3rd after discovering in the last 6-7 minutes that softs slicks were faster than intermediates lol

I saw the weather conditions at the start of the race and decided to go on inters because they wore pretty well in those damp conditions. When the rain started to fall heavily I saw most drivers struggling more than me, I assume they all started on slicks. Everybody into the pits, but I decided to stay out a little more and make sure that I was not gonna make a mistake by putting on soft wets. When I could not keep the car on track anymore even with inters, I finally pitted. Took on just 70 litres of fuel which I reckoned would take me to the end, and JUST did ;D and soft wets were nearly not worn after many laps so it looked good cause I had come out of the pits in 2nd just ahead of a Shark Lister but don't remember for sure if it was FreQ.

Anyway, decided to take it easy and let the speed come alone. Kept closing on Simon, decided not to risk any contact, so waited for him to make the smallest mistake. After 10 minutes he had been faultless so I decided to add some hard pressure, then it worked :P

Drove carefully - and keeping an eye on Jeff - to the chequered flag, happy with that win :D

Grats ginsters and podiums :)

Wonder what happened to FreQ ???

Great race.

Couldn't really get a great lap in in qually as I couldn't tame the Lister in the damp ;D

I lost a lot in the first 2 laps ahead but gained after that. Both guys infront went off and gave me 3rd (IIRC). Had nice side by side action with TT for 3 corners :D.
After that it started to rain harder and I went in for hard wets, which were horrible so few laps later I went in for soft wets which were still horrible.

I was hoping for Busi to do another stop, but he didn't ;). Was sloooowly catching Simon and couldn't get past till he tried the grass his brother tried millions of times ;)

Grats Busi, solid race :D

No racing to speak of there. A real test of mind over matter though. Kinda fell into my lap and just ground my way to end without seeing a soul.  

Really not convinced the real world weather added to the racing there. I'm on my hols right now so feel free to shoot me down :) Cya all in a couple of weeks.

Congrats to Busi and all the brave finishers there :)

Sorry guys, I believe that was my fault. I attempted a stupid move on Lazlow and went straight off. Then I saw a few GT2s go off around me and realised that I was doing a bad rejoin.  :( Sorry. I probably deserve for that incident to be reported. I definitely should have waited for the entire field to pass. It would have been much safer.

Immensely hard race. Had real trouble spotting my chosen brake markers at times. I was on completely the wrong tyre for a while as well forcing me to pit a second time. I forgot to plug my desk fan in as well, totally the wrong race to do that:(

Warning to GTR2 XD version 2 users.!! - I think that it gave me different tyres to the ones that I had chosen. I can not be completely 100% sure. Did anyone else have this problem?

I am glad to have finished, great atmosphere in the dark and a real challenge. I loved it. :)

Well done podiums.

I switched from hard wets to sof wets and they were exactly the same temps, so it still felt like hard wets ;)

I cocked that right up. Great start to the race, but pitted with someone else in my garage, another lap on slicks had my splitter off, then just the wrong choice of tyres. Then finished my race with a crash in the pitlane ala Lewis Hamilton & David Coulthard.

Congrats on the finishers for getting to the end of a very tough race  8)

Well... :o
Started on Soft Slicks and was going well before I got totally sideways and was collected by Busi.
Pitted for Hard Wets when the rain became bad and then again for Soft Wets when it became worse.
Spent the second half of the race splashing around on the grass trying to see where the track was.  ::)

Had good pace in the dry with really stiff ARBs and should have probably softened them a bit more for the wet.  ???

Sorry to Ruskus (I think) for collecting the back of your Lister, I totally missed my braking point.  :-[

Congrats to podiums and the rest of the finishers.

I selected hard wets using it and got them. Always double check the board before accepting it!

Absolutely terrible race from me. I'd been disco'd twice from an iRacing event directly before so I bounced the router yet again and fully expected to get dropped at some point.

Car felt okay on soft slicks during qualifying so I started on them. Were fine for the first few laps but then it started raining harder and I'd called for a stop to switch to hard wets when it stopped raining, so I cancelled that and stayed out. Then it started raining again and after a few more laps I had no tyre temperature at all and had to switch. Chose hard wets hoping for it to clear up again, and filled the tank.

Came back out but it just rained harder and harder and soon I had no tyre temperature again and couldn't keep the car on the track. Stopped again for soft wets which were okay for a while but eventually as the track flooded, the 360's gentle tyre wear, normally a virtue, became a curse as once again I found myself with no tyre temperature, and this time no softer compound to go to. I must've gone off over a dozen times, mostly without hitting anything, but finally my luck ran out and I had a big off between the last two corners, and not only tagged the barrier but found myself in the pit entry.

Had no choice but to drive through the pits and could only hope that the damage wasn't sufficient to need repairs. Came out and the front was definitely not good but I had nearly 20 seconds in hand over 4th in class and just about managed to crawl round the last few laps for a totally undeserved GT2 podium place.

I think maybe we need to exclude the worst rain from the weather generation. When it's coming down so hard that not even soft wets work it's too much.

Yup, sorry mate couldn't do anything to avoid that one :( could only wait for you after the incident

In the real world the Safety Car would defiantly have come out (right on the racing line and taken out the leader ;D)

No problem, probably my fault for being so sideways.

Wasn't ready to race tonight & it showed (didn't even know it was a night race). The three CTD's in praci/qually didn't help me find my rhythm either  ::)
Took me till my final lap of qually (finally with soft slicks) to get ahead of Team mate Blunder, but MJ & SBG were still comfortably ahead of the grid.

Gambled on hard wets for the start. It seemed to be raining harder on the grid then it had been in qually & according to the weather forecast it was likely to be quite changeable (so it's either going to get very wet or very dry). But in the end it mattered not.
Hal rejoined the track as MJ was coming past him & as MJ swerved into my path... nothing I could do. Off track & on the grass. Then as I rejoined, I think MJ lost control on the grass himself (easily done mate) & nudged me from behind & Hal may have got held up in that too  :-\
Then was just missed by MJ when I ran wide & he tried to come through... sadly for him he followed through to the wall I think.

The the rain got heavy & my hard wets were rubbish, no heat & no grip. So I'd gained nothing by gambling on them. >:(

From there to the end of the "race", it was just a case of taking it in turns to go off at the braking zones (despite now having soft wets that were also running cold). That's not racing, that's surviving :(.

Dave I would fully support removing 100% rain as an option.

Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20090517%20U9UE/index.html)

No problem mate. I was not going to pull away until all cars were safely past me after that. Due to the chaos that I caused a corner earlier, so the time I lost was mainly my doing. Seemed like karma giving me immediate pay back anyway.  ;D

It was just part of a chain of events that I caused anyway. Sorry again guys. :-[

After watching the replay I can see that I was indeed about to make a move that would have taken out MJ but, I turned back away from the track before rejoining.

I can also see that MJ had no way of knowing that I would have turned back away from the track. He had to react before I turned away again.

My rejoin was not well telegraphed enough. Also as my race was already not going so well, I needed to be more careful not to effect the GT2 race.

Sorry to MJ and Legzy. :-[

There definitely seems to be some oddities with it. Obviously bugs. For example I did a race today in another league and as I was flipping through the tire choices I was presented with: Soft Slicks, Intermediates, Hard Slicks, Intermediates, Hard Wets, 6.

1st of all I thought they were all supposed to show up as numbers. Now why Intermediates was in place of medium slicks I can only assume was because I had auto tire selection on so for the damp track at the start it was on intermediates I guess. However I did not try selecting that Intermediate selection and seeing if it would have medium's on the board.

As Dave already mentioned, always double check your choices on the board anyways.  :)

Edit: I always miss the wet weather races...that's not fair.  :no:

I quit at about half as the fun of driving went outta window.  :(

So:

I can agree with that. The most fun of dynamic weather for me is the track getting wet or getting dry. Would be ok with stable rain, but not flooded - not for more than a few minutes, anyway. Then getting dry again. GT1s + flooded + Oschersleben =  tumbleweed

TT

My quali sucked (went out on inters and only later realised it's soft-slick territory, but it was too late).

Then picked up inters for race, got on the grid with 10 seconds to go, realised it's raining way too much for them, jumped out to change for hard wets and missed the race for a second or two.

DQ.

Sigh.  :stupid:

Serves me right, practicing hard for a track I hate is completely unacceptable anyway...  ;D

Bunches of wusses the lot of ya trying to get rid of monsoon conditions! ;D It's not reality, so dieing isn't a problem! :P

It was great fun driving blind, on ice, against a rapidily dimishing field size. :laugh: What other conditions could see such exciting action and the guy second from last in GT1 qualifying go to the top of the leaderboard in the race? Overtaking, crashes, exciting car control, lights, crashes, exciting car control, crashes. ;) How much more exciting do you want it!?  ;D

Where's the fun of not seeing anything? ???  The dawn race in Monza was a :no: also. Not seeing my braking point and where the other car is while entering a corner was never my idea of fun. Sightseeing? At 300 km/h? I don't need it.  :no: 
Getting wet/dry is tough to drive in. Monsoon is just a drag and gets boring after some time - just like the dry.  ;)

TT   

Part of not seeing anything yesterday was thanks to it being a night race too! Night + monsoon is the only combination we should try avoiding ;D but threacherous conditions in the daylight is ok to me :)

And soft wets not working? I know the temperatures were very low, but I was doing 35's and 36's during that second part, which is only 15 seconds slower than in bone dry conditions. What would you expect to be lapping at in those conditions? :) was good fun!

Sorry, forgot to use teal colour in my post. ;D

try 4 in the morning at Silverstone 24hrs in the fog  ;) lol... then sitting behind a safety car for 45 mins trying to keep awake lol  :turned:

Shame i missed this race, hasn't help my championship hopes  :-\ ... I do like wet races and this sounds the maddest of all of them! :laugh:

Can anyone tell me which tyre to select when?

Softs/Med/Hard slicks are obvious.

When it's damp you slicks are still the fastest choise right?
But when is the time to switch to intermediates? And when to soft wet and hard wet?


By the way, did the pitstops went like this (http://www.biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=13668)?   :D

Yes, yes, the magic of changeable weather.  ;D

Couldn't stop laughing :laugh:

That's hilarious.


Not really, it's nearly always a gamble. :)
I personally prefer the best tyre to keep me on the track rather than necessarily the fastest when it's damp/wet/monsoon.

I loved the conditions. It was horrible to drive in, but I liked the fact that anything is possible. Softs didn't get up to temp, but it wasn't that bad like Busi said.

Well I don't know about you but when my tyres were down to only 40 C it was utter pot luck as to whether I was going to make it into any given corner, through said corner, and out of the other side of said corner without spinning should I so much as look at the throttle a microsecond too early. :-\

no complaints from me on the nasty weather. I was looking forward to a challenging enduro in the dark and wet here and had a decent wet weather setup sorted so was hoping to give Ginsters a good battle up front. Alas the flying laps 1-2 carnage denied me the fun.  :(
Though to be fair, if it was 100% Monsoon conditions the race would be red flagged or continued behind a safety car wouldnt it ? Did it rain full on the whole race or some intermittent thunder storms ?

Shame the champ battle didnt pan out on track as hoped. Doubt there is much change with neither me, purds or JPS scoring points.  :-\

These conditions are really tough to get right, I remember Imola last season was just like this, dark, flooded and wet. This season's Imola was similar.

Driving in the wet is fun most of the time, but I don't really like wet & dark as it needs so much concentration and you struggle to see your braking markers. Plus it's very easy to take others out.

I think the lesson I've learnt is when driving is that hard, shut the hell up and don't talk on teamspeak  :-\

Have some of you gone soft   :P ;)

I don't think we should have a knee jerk reaction to the weather after one race where the monsoon conditions lasted longer than we would have liked them to.

Once the season ends..need to get the best SROU engineers to sort out these terrible CTDs if possible, which really ruin things for everyone at some point or other, the season has been plagued with this issue.. :'(

Must admit I've not had a CTD since we moved to the new server. I don't run shadows on FULL anymore either, but still HIGH.

lol
You saw nothing but a light shower mate. Ten mins after you left it was Thunder all the way to the end. Had no idea what the car was doing. My FPS were struggling in the wet & dark too.

Yeah, the three I had last night were the 1st I've had for a bit. I actually think that a CTD during the race last night would have put me out of my misery. ;)

Wow that was a tough race!

Agree with JPS  on the weather, 100%rain at night for 60mins plus is just plain hard!
and I can't say I enjoyed it that much but it is the first time I can remember in the last 3 years that we have had this situation. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

Started on inters! Pure guesswork!
They worked well up until we got 100% rain!
Pitted for soft wets ( Thanks to Legzy for the tip! very gentlemenly considering we are fighting in the championship! )
They were horrible and it was very difficult driving in those conditions  but I held it together as eveyone else lost their heads!  ;D

Looks like Team Oldie could have cemented the GT2 team championship??
If that's right then thats the first Team championship we have even won!

All hail, Legzy and Lazlow ! without them we would have been nowhere!

Not overly looking forward to the last race!
All the quick guys will recover / turn up and I'll cross my fingers I can finish the championship in the top 3!

Thanks all

M.

Not my quote Blunder....   :-X

I think the issue with the XD 2 was due to human error by me. ;D

I tried to recreate the same conditions off line and it worked fine. I will have a quick look at the pit board in the future before hitting enter key though.

Gazza is now leading the UE GT1 championship as well. :o Go Team Psuedo Racing. 8)

Keep the monsoon rain I say. Maybe just reduce the chances of conditions going over 90. Maybe prevent them from going over 90 if the race is at night or if the temps are low. I think we have raced with that level of rain in the day time before.

I say keep the 100% monsoon conditions, tricky conditions is always lots of fun and very challenging. But don't put too much weight on my post as I only race here occasionally.

The conditions were always against me for that race. Lets see, monsoon....check, night time....check, forgetting to put on wets/inters....check :) I was becoming a major hazard so I thought it was best if I quit.

The main problem was the lack of track lighting, which seemed to consist of two marshalls holding candles at either end of the track. I seem to recall that only Spa has decent track lighting in GTR2.

Monsoon is worth keeping, just not mixed with night racing IMO.

 

Did you turn your headlights on? ;) :P :angel:

Spa has good track lighting around the pit area, but after that it's darker than anywhere! ;D 8)