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Practice 1:	20:05	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:15	(15 mins)
Race:	20:30	(28 laps (=~50 mins))	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: Shelby GT350, Shelby Cobra 289 Coupe, Shelby Cobra 289 Roadster, Shelby Daytona Coupe, Chevrolet Corvette L72 Coupe, Ferrari 275 GTC, Jaguar Lightweights, Chevrolet L76 Roadster, Ferrari 250C and Healey Mk II, Corvette L88 Roadster, Lotus Elan, F275 Speciales, Ford Falcon Weslake Heads, Alfa Romeo Volumetrico

Weather: Damp start (30% wet) but set to very variable weather (& upto a maximum 60% wet). Generate Your Own Weather (https://www.simracing.org.uk/lm2/weather.php?location=5)
Track: Oulton Park 2005 Classic (download from  here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54900#msg54900))
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Start: STANDING
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: [PnG2.1] UKGTL Test Race
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Power and Glory v2 from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/), 2.1 patch from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/) and enable terrain patch.
(4) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=214)
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Remember that P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function, but our gentlemans agreement is that everyone will stick to a speed limit for the pit-lane of 40mph/60kph.

IMPORTANT
This race will be used to continue testing our 'clubmans' idea again, does it work in the wet & further practice for the pitting procedure.

The cars chosen can be divided into 4 chassis groups:

A
Shelby Daytona, Cobra 289 Coupe barring Willment Racing Team Version (No.084), Corvette L88 Roadster, Lotus Elan, F275 Speciales.

B
Shelby GT350 CASC, any Jaguar Lightweight and Cobra 289 Roadster, Corvette L72 Coupe.

C
Shelby GT350 SCCA, Jaguar E-Type Coupe, Ferrari 275, Vette L76 Roadster.

D
Ferrari 250C, Jaguar E Type Roadster, Healey MkII (really slowest but fun), Corvette Z06, Ford Falcon Weslake Heads, Alfa Romeo Volumetrico


Our "regulars" can be, very roughly divided into Four groups. (If you're quicker then 1:49 (in the dry) in a car available to you, you might want to try another car from your group, or promote yourself :lol: & let me know)

GROUP 1 can only choose from slowest chassis group D
Ruskus, Dan Minton, Madd, Paul 968, Ginsters, PR, Steve Holmes, Jos Verstappen.

GROUP 2  can choose between chassis C and D.
Ade, Oily, [Poodle]Keith, TT, FMG, Watty, Manteos, Matt Rowe, Jose Arrogantio, MJ, Mike Cook.

GROUP 3 can choose between chassis B, C and D.
Blunder, DaveShep, Legzy, Tim Robey, Spanner, Tinman, SamB, Simon Gymer, Lazlow, Ossie, Geoffers, Ross, Purdie, Phil Gilliland, Tibernius.

The remainder, far too many to list, have a free choice. If any of that group don't fancy battling against alien types up front or don't like the fastest choice they can of course choose a slower car.  

Hope you all enjoy.

Nice group of cars again Legzy.  8) Not tried Oulton yet but should be fun in these in the wet !
Only prob is i am away until sunday eve so will have no chance of any praccy  :( ...a bit more heads up would be useful for these events for those on limited spare time  ;)

Cobras slithering in the wet should be a handful  :o

Totally agree buddy  :yes:.
We're just trying to put together three seasons at once while learning all kinds of new stuff, in a pretty short space of time. It's just a case of ticking things off the 'to do list' as we can  :). Once the season starts, most things should be well under control & more normal length 'warning periods' will be resumed (I hope, because my Mrs is going to kill me if I remain this occupied for much longer!)  ;D.

She will  ;D

I did wonder! Best get painting pronto boyee  ;D

Great track choice though, I understand this is supposed to be a corker for the PnG cars....looking forward to it.

I'm still dragging out my side of the 'DIY in exchange for my Playseat' deal the Mrs & me had.  ;D
But had to show willing the other day & tidied the room up, shuffled the furniture round & did some prep work... that should keep her happy for a few weeks :angel:

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh boyyyyyyyyyyy....really nice Master Legzy, i can't wait for this race.

 :D

I'm ready for a new PnG event!!! When i have some minutes to make some laps i'll post my times :jumpjoy: :jumpjoy: :taz: :taz: :taz: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :cowboy: Wet race with Png could be very interesting! See you soon! :)

as far as I have experienced, wet track doesnt have that much effect on these cars.

think those old tires could cope better with rain then modern slicks.

Because those old tires aren't slicks, they all had - how you say in English? - tears?

"tread" or "grooves" - but I like the idea of tears in the wet. :laugh:

Excuse my ignorance  ::) but which of the 4 variants are we using please.  :notworthy:

Bill

Hope this helps Bill?

I going to play in the puddles at Oulton Park, I have server running for practice should anyone
care for a splash. The more the merrier, as I would like to try this server now it seems to be running
more normally.

Did a few laps tonight with Ade...here they are:

Shelby 350 SSCA - 1:49.1
Jaguar 5 Speed - 1:48.6
Cobra 289 Roadster - 1:48.5
Corvette Z06 - Didn't even post a time...didn't like the handling at all!!

All times were done with 20 laps worth of fuel.

ps. I had the track set dry

Laters

Laz

Like he said :stupid:

Shelby 350 SSCA .........1:48.362
Jaguar 5 Speed............ 1:46.767
Ferrari 275 ..................1:47.994
F275 Speciale..............1:45.00  (just for research you understand) ;)

Thanks Legzy I have the down load but didn't recgnise the GP designation.  ::)
 

Bill

Where do you set "variable weather"


Oilseal

There are two ways to do this.
1) When confirming the race details (race length & which sessions etc), there is a slider for "Weather". You can slide it from '0% rain' to '100% rain" & finally 'Variable' is the last setting (IIRC).

2) Use the Weather file available from the "Generate weather" link... (which isn't currently visible in our race thread :o whoops! ;)).... More info about generating your own weather can be found Here. (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5145.0)

30% wet - 1:52 in the Cobra 289 with Intermediate tyres, slightly slower with the standard tyre.  Lotus Elan much easier to drive 1:54 not as much fun though  ;)


Splashy Waza

You swines!
It's on the same night as my UKGPL race  :'(

Should be an absolute corker too  :cursing:

intermediates, soft or wets are not part of the p&g mod... so you can't use em.

If thats the case Joss... should this not be a tad shorter??
 http://gtlw-blog.flyingpig.info/images/stories/png2manuals/tyresmanual_print.pdf

Quote from the P&G tyre manual

"Unfortunately, some limitations of the GTR2 code, forced us to include some compromises.
Although in this manual you will find all the information about the rain tyres present in the mod, loading the mod you will also find in the garage the typical three rain tyres, intermediate, wet and monsoon types. All three of those tyres are the same rain tyre as described in this manual. The reason they are present is to make the AI cars properly pit on changing conditions, and continue their race. You can ignore their existence and stick to the manual."

Oh.... I see what you mean now :)

FYI - I have now set the server at "quite" variable* but starting with 30% rain.

(* = you're unlikely to see the variable effect while practicing.... but you never know  ;))


If this causes problems for your practicing, let me know & I will set the server back to just 'random' weather.

While, if you didn't understand a word of what I just said... don't worry  :laugh:

I have now added (to the 1st post) the link that you can generate your own weather files (https://www.simracing.org.uk/lm2/weather.php?location=5) from & instructions are here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5145.0).

Is it just me who finds this track almost undriveable? :-\ There's too many sudden elevation changes that throws the car into the barriers at the slight hint ???

Sorry mate, I didn't have that problem. Maybe I wasn't driving fast enough over the elevation changes ;)
Though I will say that some cars seem easier then others.

p.s. Anyone got any wet/dry laptimes for any cars from their own group?

The link is now there - you need to set P&G races as GTR2 in LM2i and not weatherless GTL... ;)

I was going to wait to see how this weather test race went, before adding all the weather info as a permanent feature of P&G  ;D ;)
But you've saved me asking the question on how it's done now ta 8)

I did a little running and car setup for a couple of cars.

DRY:
1:46.x in the Jag E-type Lightweight 5sp

WET:
1:51.x in the Jag E-type Coupe (though probably a 50 in qualy)
1:51.x in the Ferrari 275 (though probably a 50 in qualy)

these wet times were on a drying track so not sure how accurate they are.

Spanner is right, there are not enough track sections at the gradient changes, it's a ski jump down to cascades
and after the esso hairpin  it gets very violent. In the wet in a power car it's hard to keep it on the track
in the less powerful cars it's not so bad, and not really a prob in the dry.
It is a pet bug of mine that people spend ages doing fabulously good tracks jobs, then spoil it with either
too many (Mid Ohio) or not enough (Oulton) sections.
IMHO of course. end of rant

I agree, the bumps are certainly a challenge but I find taking them straight with hardly any steering helps a lot.

Anyway, onto the times. I've only given the Jag (Lightweight 5 speed) a quick spin in the wet and managed a 1:49.9, before spinning off a lap later  ;D.

Luckily( ;D) I cant make this race now. I did manage to slowly get the hang of it and managed a couple of timed laps in the 5spd lightweight jag managing a 1,50 in the dry. Was sorely tempted to miss it anyway especially with it being wet.

Hi guys, i made a faw laps with the 275 GTC:

DRY: 1.47.118

WET:1.49.887

Misty: 1.48.6xx

Unfortunately i had some troubles with FPS in Oulton, don't know if i'll be able to run here... Track is very fun! Never tried before, but it's a lot much fun than the boring Snetterton, even if more difficult! I hope to solve the FPS troubles for Tuesday! See you soon guys!
 

I too had some problems with stability while testing various PnG cars through the elevations at Oulton. The heavier cars seemed to fair worse and were particularly difficult down through Cascades.  I was at Oulton yesterday for the BTCC and the cars didn't seem to have much trouble getting through here. Fortunately there is a crossing point which gives a great view of the run down the hill. Sure enough, that troublesome bump on the right hand kink is certainly there and looks very similar to the game.

NOTE - I've updated the 2nd post in the thread to suggest a DRY target time of 1:49 in a car available to you. (Despite the fact I can only do 1:50's & am about a 1:54 in the wet I think it was :-\)

This is one of the more challenging tracks, so more important to me then your lap-times tomorrow are:
1) Making sure people are happy driving in wet conditions for the season ahead?
2) Getting an idea of the impact of the wet on 'clubmans' racing?
3) People get another practice at the P&G pitting technique.
4) Most importantly, that people enjoy it! ;)

NOTE Two - Weather: Damp start (30% wet) but set to very variable weather (& upto a maximum 60% wet).

Just had an hour in the Elan.

In the dry with race fuel  low 1:47s but nowhere near perfect laps :)

I've been trying to use motec to help setup, but only of any real use for brake balance and rpm. Suspension and tyre readings seem to be way off. Is this usual with PnG?

As I have never driven a "wet" race before should I be practising using the max rain expected i.e. 60% rather than the initial 30%?

What a great question & one I have pondered myself when preparing for GTR2 races on a regular basis Tony.

There is no correct one size fits all answer. Some people will have more time then others & will be able to practice properly at a few different levels of wetness. Meanwhile others like myself... (who suddenly find they have no time for practice anymore :P ;))... will hope to do a couple of dry laps, do as many "30% wet" laps as I can & make sure I squeeze in a couple at "60% Wet" laps to get an idea of the different braking points & if the car is suddenly going to start doing something new/undesirable etc.

That's the best answer I can give to that one.

Better be prepared for worst.
Anyway, wet race means: soft suspension, less tire pressure, less camber, less pressure
on throtle exiting corners, avoid curbs, etc.
To be more gentle with throtle, brakes and wheel helps a bit.
I didn't have a chance to make a lap on wet track with P&G yet tho.  :P

I have got the weather conditions OK for practice but I can't get wet in a race.  Can the weather be set for a race or do we need to practice pitstop  etc in the dry and a wet track in practice?

Bill

Choose Race Weekend from the main menu and you should get the race options page. You should then be able to set the weather with the second slider down on the right hand side. I usually uncheck the practice and quali sessions and go straight for a random grid position.

Thanks couldn't see for looking,  ::) it's me age y'know. :wheelchair:

Bill

Anyone else got green spray :eek:

The rain is cool, but the spray is surreal man!

finallly got half hour praccy in tonight, online with a few of the lads. Not ideal but it will have to do.

Only got as quick as 1:52 though in the E-type Coupe on a damp track. Should i be self demoting myself and taking a quicker car or is 1:52 in the damp respectable enough? I noticed a few doing 1:49s in the wet  :o

Great track layout for these cars, nice sweeping turns. Good call Legz and Tony  :)

With a 1:52 on a damp track, you're two seconds a lap quicker then me MJ.
1:49 is the 'dry lap' target time (probably translating to around 1:52-54 in the damp :-\).

I've managed to get a few laps in tonight, my best dry times are:

Cobra 289 Roadster - 1:49.2
Shelby 350 CASC - 1:49.2 - fun to drive, but the front tyres wear out too quickly
E-type lightweight 5 speed - 1:51.3 - struggled to find a fast setup, I think it was bottoming out in a few places, so raised the ride height and softened the suspension and laptimes were more consistent but slower  :(

And I tried a few laps in the wet with the Cobra Roadster (with a dry setup)

30% wet - 1:51.7
60% wet - 1:59.4

I really struggled to keep it on the track in the wet, so tomorrow I'll try and tweak the setup.

ah okay, nay problemo. You better pull your socks up then son  ;)  ;D

Will stick with the Jag Coupe even thought the lightweight Jag seemed to blow me into the reeds last night on track.

Also that means Ade and Lazlow need to take slower cars from what i saw of their laptimes in the wet last night  :-X

Was in the server last night for 20 minutes. Tried the Falcon, E-Type Roadster and Healey.
The mood wasn't to good tho.  >:( And the better i could done was 1.58 (i believe) with E-Type.
Never done a clean lap tho, lots of slides and a few seconds into the grass.
Yet i found the Healey quite driveable on the wet scenario.
If i can attend tonight, maybe i go for the Healey or a totally different car i have tried so far.
TBH my concerne is if i can attend.  :-\

Tried a few laps last night in the Type roadster, managed to get to a high 1.48 in the dry and a high 1.51 in 30% rain with 60% rain yielding a 1.54.

Is hard to judge the times with the changeable weather, I got a high 49 in The Falcon, but then coudn't get under 52 in it later
which made me change setups lots 'till I realised that although the sun was shining, there was spray coming from other cars!
and it was actually quite slippy! and I was doing just fine compared to others.

Tell me about it!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

hello, ive recently began playing PnG online and jsut happened to see your server so i was going to hop on and see what happens.

Well shoot it took me so lo to make sure all my files were right i missed the start haha.

Unlucky Blade, catch us all next time  :)

I had an early exit here  :( Qualied a lowly 18th...oh how the mighty have fallen  :laugh:

Made a great start at the lights and soon got myself upto 11th and chasing several ahead in the top 10 for first few laps in the rain.

However i came round a bend to find a disco'd frozen Davesheps car right on the racing line  :o thought it was him making a slow rejoin and tried to take avoiding action but the car went into a high speed 360 and stuck me into the tyre walls  :'(
I crawled around to the pits and had 2 minutes of repairs done and came out 1 or 2 laps behind the entire field except Geoffers and Tim Robey who i think suffered the same time as me with the discod car as saw them off at same corner.

Managed a few laps more in the wildly varying weather!...heatwave - rain !! but as i moved over down the straight with the big bumps to leave room for Tony the car just bounced off track into the armco at top speed and the engine gave out.  :(
Race over and probably for the best as i had the prospect of a race length of no one to race.

Cars looked and sounded superb as always  8)  Great track too for these cars.  :)  Legzy put me back down in my rightful place groupwise  ;)

Top tip to all drivers.
Set your iTunes preferences to option 4 "Please do not inform me of important updates during a wet race at Oulton Park". I hadn't and it gave me the judders, then kicked me out of the game, paused for 4secs then let me back in the game again. Sorry if my out of control car caused anyone grief. I did continue but to be honest my car was all over the place with severe suspension damage and in the end I decided to quit out rather than hit someone.

Mark, hope I wasn't hogging the track? Noticed you'd disapeared.

Nice event Legzy. So I'm no longer a wet virgin.  :angel:

Well that was great fun :)

Qualied in 3rd place, which for me is nothing short of a miracle.  For the race I was back to normal :wetfish:

Thanks for the help with sorting out my green mist; for info I had my game set to 16 bit instead of 32.

No real problems to report regarding the mod. It was fantastic seeing the weather changes, particularly when the wet track was bathed in sunshine. Just like a typical Brit summer! I did find the pits a little cramped and as I pulled in it looked like there was someone already in my box.

I've always loved PnG; far superior to the Rf Historics mod IMO. If it can be made to work reliably for everyone, I look forward to some great races. :thumbup2:

Mighty sorry about the tap mr. Blunder. Should have know wet circuits have less grip  :P

Nice to have this variable weather. Keeps you re-assessing your breaking points all the time (at least I did).

Thanks for the splendid racing. Was not planning to enter this race but am glad I did.

ps. no technical problems here but when I race I reboot and switch off all services with msconfig.

Had two freezes. In P1 it was just CTD but I had to restart my PC in Q2 after setting the pole time.  :(  No time to make a clean lap so I started from 17th place and crawled up to the top. YAY!  ;D  Good chase, Lazlow.  8)  Fezza rules.  :)

TT

Ah well, it was good when it lasted!
I decided last minute to try the Falcon as I was getting pummelled in the E-type and tbh it was a bit of a gamble as I only had a setup from Brno, but it seemed ok.
A last gasp quali attempt saw me on pole but I was mindful of the car's tendency for snap oversteer under braking.

As for the race it was going quite well with a good duel with Lazlow and Matt but eventually the tyres went off after the dry spell in a big way and I had to concede to Lazlow just a few laps before my pit.........which had another car in it!  ::)

I had to creep around saving fuel and once again pitted but I picked up some damage and that got fixed which dropped me way out of contention. Rats.

Made a silly error under braking which pretty much sealed my fate.

Nonetheless, a good race and grats to the podium.

Enjoyed this one more than the last, but suffered the same dump pitstop errors.
started with 32 laps fuel, intending to take only tyres, had some fun, almost keeping pace with MADD and Lazlow
went in, asked for no fuel, and got the setup amount- another 32 laps worth! left pits with 13 laps to go, and 38 laps fuel
wasted 30 secs in pits, and was 2 secs slower after stop! argghh, still good fun trying to stop Keith from getting past
with my 5 ton car ;-)

Hmmm, a very short race for me  >:(

I made a mess of my start, as forgot to put it in first gear ::)  dropped the clutch and watched the field sail past. I was lucky no one hit me on the grid....

But only 3 laps in, whilst racing Mike Jonzo daveshep's E-type suddenly froze on the entry to Druids, I just glanced him but it sent me into a spin & ended up hard against the armco facing the wrong way. I waited until I saw a gap, tried a power-turn but cocked it up  :(  & got hit by geoffers which busted my engine.

Sorry geoffers, I had thought the field had gone past me at that point.

Congratulations on to all the finishers!

Wow, what an eventful race! I really enojoyed sliding the Jag around the track, sidewards at every corner  ;D. Was a great deal of fun, even if I ran out of talent and spun off several times. After a banzai lap which landed me 8th on the grid, I made a good start, but lost many places after the traditional argy bargy round the first corner. I then lost a few more places through slow, error ridden driving and was down to 16th in the first few laps.

I never really recovered from that and was struggling with the Jag when the track was drying out. Was very thankful the heavens opened again. Eventually I got my act together during the second-half of the race and began some consistent, if sluggish pace round the track. On lap 12 or so, I pitted and forgot to tell them to not fix the damage to the car, and ended up having a 2 minute pitstop  :-\. Rejoined in 20th and only gained places through others misfortunes.

When the flag dropped I finished a lowly 13th, a lap down but despite my shoddy driving I did enjoy this one and hope we can race in a few more wet races during the PnG season  :angel:. Also need to apologise to someone I punted off at Druids on the first lap (Not entirely sure who it was, I need to check the replay when it comes available). Hopefully I can get my act together at the next race.

Edit: Okay, having seen the replay, I owe and apology to Keith and Goldtop for my incompetence. Sorry making a hash of things.

Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20090602%20P1/index.html)

What a shame! :( Clipped the grass on that dodgy rise on about lap 8, slid sideways into the barrier.
Not a heavy impact but engine was dead! :(
Was really enjoying it too!

Very little practice and a PC crash mid quali, left me with the L72 which I knew I would be too quick in! so didn't put a quali lap in on purpose and started at the back!
Had great fun coming through the field but the early exit was a real dissappointment!

Absolutely fantastic fun guys. more of the same Legzy, how much fun is it sliding sideways through the corners, easing on the power etc.
Love the variable weather although the handling on that L72 didn't change much! Just had to brake earlier! :)

No worries Alex! All part of the fun! :)

More, more, more please, this was just soooo good! ;D

cue....'i told you so' thoughts in my head once more  ;)  i dont generally bang on about something on here for no reason you know,  ;D even if it looks like i do  ;)

Superb!  :tt1:

Only tested a couple of cars and at the end i chosed for race one that i didn't test.
Now i'm happy to chosed the Corvette Z06. What a fun to drive even in the wet.
Qualified at 13th and when the red lights went on, i steped on the throtle....but....
nothing....no engine.... :o then, my mind worked at 300 miles per hour and came to me
that i was typing on grid. Did i switched off the engine? Only could be that!!!!!!
a fast press on the 2 keys that allow the engine to start....OH NO...green lights... :scared:
full throtle but not enough to avoid a car to hit me (so sorry Geoffers, i only realised it was
you in the yellow Ferrari a bit later ), fortunately this was a fun race. However these things
can happen in real life. Saw myself many times cars that just don't start or have problems
to engage 1st gear. Anyway, deep apologies Geoffers.  :-[

This incident had put me on 17th place. My thoughts were, i am here to have fun,
lets have it.  :D

On 2nd lap Tibernius Cobra spun into the grass and then back on track and i with cars all over
the place just couldn't avoid to hit you, with wet track and running on 175 km/h on that
track section if i tried to break or doing a too fast manouver with the wheel i could create
a carnage there. So i met your right side just in the middle...BANG...and into the grass i went.
Down to 22th place now.... :eek:

After this i thought, i am here to have fun, lets have it. I'm havin a words dejá vue  :lol:

I was having so much fun that everything went well untill the end.
Had some good fights, first with Samb and then with Goldtop and finaly with Blunder.
All clean and fair and very enjoyable.  :yes:
Pit stop went well and by then i was in top 5, managed to finished in 3rd in my Team Prodigy
debut as a driver which made me very happy.

Congrats to TT, great race from you. And to Lazlow for the 2nd place.

P&G it's so awesome and lovely. I could drive for all night.  ;D
I Loved the changeable weather.

Well done Mr. Legzy, very good car/track/weather combo.  :laugh:

Cheers

Before the event started I was have still having down shift problems from previous races – change down one gear - sometimes it will take two gears or not change all. With that in mind I selected the GT350 – robust engine, evenly spaced gears (unlike L72 Corvette)…fairly stable car.
Quali went OK – just needed to learn the track layout and whether conditions – I was happy with P9.
I didn’t have the best opening laps, took it easy - had some paint swapping moments - was tricky keeping my eyes on the other cars, my car, the track and the gear number on the HUD.  Following laps I was around P11’ish  battling with two 275 Ferrari’s amongst other cars –  I was actually going to pit very early but was having fun, therefore kept out  ;D  When I finally did pit – it took just over 40 seconds…but I didn’t have pit limit button setup – so was pretty slow driving in.
Had a very poor out lap – but slowing picked up positions due to others crashing out – or taking there pit stops.
Then came Matt – and it all became hard work ;)  I had the faster car for sure! – but that Falcon was quicker in a straight line. I could catch Matt on the corners but that was very dependant on having good down shifts – sometimes I was going down from 4th (6000rpm’ish) to 2nd….when I so badly need 3rd! arhhhhh :o  Matt did a great job….and held on to 4th position – good skills dude.

Overall it was good fun – good turnout with 23 starters – I enjoyed the track and changing weather.

Grats to podium (& Matt in the Falcon)

I’m off to reinstall GTR2/PnG2 – perhaps my downing problem is software related. Fingers crossed.
 

*edit : just seen Samb's apology, no worries - can hardly remember what happened, no big deal.

You drive with the sound switched off then?  :shifty:


Yes, I agree.  8)   Seems like I took the right car. Not only was Fezza the fastest within my group but it also felt the only real racing car there.  :P

Matt, when you pit and the pit options shows, you must select the fuel option and
using your left arrow key (or whatever you have for that) press it untill you have
0 (zero) liters/gallons of fuel to add. Or by default it will add you what you have
in the garage setup (if you didn't changed it).
Example: if in the garage menu under fuel strategy you select the pit stop strategy
to 0 or 1 and before you don't slide the ammount of fuel to 0, when you pit
you have the ammount you had by default. Oh dear this is more easy to explain in portuguese.  ::)

Too bad we're not scoring team points yet in this season.  :angel:  MJ - race 3 is your turn.  ;)

LOL....as i was typing and looking to those lovely cars on grid my engine was in idle mode,
with the cars around reving i just didn't realise that my engine was not working.
Just for curiosity, i use a headset with a nice sound quality, very clean and all around sounds.

That was great fun, even though I was a long way behind most of the race.

A got away quite well but PR in front didn't move :o & I ran into the back of him. Not your fault PR, I forgot the golden rule at the start, 'always assume the car in front isn't going to move'. This left me in last place but I moved up a couple of places on lap 1 with people having 'offs'. Apologies to Alex who I lightly bumped a couple of times, got caught out by the Elan's better brakes  ::).

On lap 3 Tim had spun his Cobra at Druids & as I came over the brow he was spinning the car back straight, unfortunately right into my path  :o. No worries Tim, it was difficult to see if anyone was approaching at that part of the track. Car was badly damaged so I came in for my pitstop & got the car repaired which cost over a lap. The rest of the race was then just a matter of seeing if I could catch the back of the field. I lapped pretty consistently for the rest of the race & was not that much slower than the leaders who I could see every time I came out of the Shell Hairpin as they were entering Island.

Congrats to TT, Lazlow & PR.

Hope to be able to join the regular P&G season when it starts.

Very NICE race guy! I can only say that! I enjoyed it a lot! Really good fighting with someone of you in first race laps, even if i made a lot of Mistakes... At the start (really don't know why...), I decided to cut off my gas pedal, remembering of the starting procedure you use in GTR2...what a idiot...Anyway I made a great comeback in the first 7 laps, from 16th to 6th, then i started to make a lot of mistakes, and on lap 17th i hit the tyres after the hairpin bend, and when i arrived in the box for my pit, i saw that i should have to wait 100 sec. to repair my suspention...I thought it would be really too much...
Great fair play by all players, in a so close race! I want to excuse with [poodle] keith but i totally loose control of my car :(, and with Mike Cook for braking after the limit, but it was the first lap that cartel of 100 meters to the corner was removed by someone, and i loose totally my braking reference...
Many Congrats to TrueTom, winner starting from the 17th position...what a GREAT race man! And congrats to all the Podium racers!
NICE ONE GUYS! I'm already waiting for the next! CU :clap: :clap:   

1) Sounds like people are happy to see a bit of wet sometimes.
2) The wet has had an influence, hopefully I can use that info.
3) Sounds like most people had a better pitting experience then last time, other then a bit of queuing (check your 'pit request' buttons).
4) Seems that most people had fun last night, mission accomplished.  ;D


I certainly enjoyed it, I remember saying on Teamspeak at about the halfway stage that "it's all action this & I've not had two seconds to breath!"
No worries & sorry to anybody that I traded paint with, it's all good & it was probably about as tricky a race as we'll encounter this season (surely!  ;)).

P&G will return on Tuesday 16th June, with our first ever SROUK P&G league race. Details to follow very soon.

While I hope to see most of you for the 'GTL Quadruple Mod car test' tomorrow night.

Not one of my finest hours but all I deserved not managing to fit any praccy in!

Huge respect to the top three, great seeing Jim (congrats on promotion :)) and TT so close on the final lap - obviously a great result too for our new boy PR showing us how it's done in the Vette, but well done anyone who brought it home in one piece, that was a real challenge in the wet but great fun.

A rollercoaster ride of some half decent pace marred by cock-ups and overdriving for me, 11th on the grid and up to 6th'ish by end of first lap....then down to 17th after various incidents, some my fault and others...my fault also :) Quite surprised I finished where I did, think the pit stop strategy helped more than my driving!

Too many battles to mention but SamB deserves a thumbs up for some lovely sideways action through Druids, great stuff. Unlucky Martin, a great drive (good move on me too ya git) and another one starting a love affair with the Vette by the sound of things ;)

Spot on Legz, thanks once again. Loved the changeable conditions - might possibly be better at some tracks that aren't quite as tricky already but I'm always open to a challenge so I'd happily run it again.


And THAT my good man is why you sometimes get a rough ride :lol:

Ta for the compliments Keith, was good to have some tussles there.
I had a similar prob with downshifting. I flooded the switch on the wheel with WD40
and gave it some furious waggle. Not happened since.

Yep, I sort of understand PR. I just  keep forgetting this is GTR2 based. not GTL

Great to hear that a season is planned with this mod. Can't wait :)

have you guys managed to bracket down the various cars available yet from the info gleaned so far ?  ie comparable pace groupings.
No doubt a tough job. :-\

Though generally it looks like we've all had someone to race in the rounds so far  :)

I hope so MJ... but it's our 1st season in charge, on top of being the 1st time we've attempted a 'Clubman's' approach... so I'm sure a mistake or two will no doubt be waiting for us at some point ;D. We could do test races for ever to perfect it, but I think we're close enough to get going with some proper racing. I'm sure if any small tweaks are required, we can count on you guys help & support if (when) we need it!

We'll do our best to see that people continue to enjoy Historic racing if nothing else.

Your Historic Co-Directors,
 :cowboy: & :clown:

As a result of their performances at Oulton & preceding races, the following promotions & relegation's will be reflected at the next race:

Congratulations to the Drivers who've earned Promotion:
TrueTom to Group One Drivers
Lazlow to Group Two Drivers
57Goldtop to Group Three Drivers

Commiserations to the Drivers who've been Relegated: (you get a faster car next time :))
None this week.

Welcome to the New Drivers & their New Group:
Picnic to Group Three Drivers
Jimmer to Group Four Drivers

Please do PM me if you think I've put you in the wrong group.

So, in the races before the Championship begins I will cleverly stay in the mid-field. ;) You won't move the drivers during the official League, will you?  :P

:laugh:

There will be a small amount of promotion/relegation (& obviously late joiners) during the season. There would be little point in myself for example, being in the wrong drivers group & blasting away all opposition every race (or being lapped five times because my car's not quick enough to give me the clubmans level playing field).

I don't want at this point to make 'set in stone' rules, about the criteria of getting promoted/relegated... Hopefully, people will trust your friendly 'Historic Co-directors', to be fair & make the best decisions we can. I'm always only a PM away from discussing peoples own promotions etc.


If you're interested on the thought process on this weeks promotions etc (I won't be going into detail every-time):

Truetom, Lazlow & Madd-Rip were considerably faster then all the other drivers both on individual laps & consistently.
Truetom & Lazlow promoted up one group level.
Madd-Rip already in the top group, but his car (The Weslake Falcon) turned out to be too fast for the chassis group it was part of at Oulton (this was confirmed by the other drivers of that car also). That car will get 'special' attention, with regards which chassis group it appears next time.
57Goldtop did not complete the race, but he did more then enough while he was driving (including qualification) to earn promotion to the Group Three drivers.

I'm looking forward to the challenge....Bring It On!!!! 8)

NNNOOOooooooo!!!!!!!!!

Why a Tuesday?  :'(

The main reasons (IIRC):
UKGTR2's Tuesday league grid sizes had been reducing over a period of time.
UKGTL had been enjoying full grids during the league season.
UKPnG was proving to have its own solid following that was somewhat a mix of drivers (meaning not just GTL drivers).
It meant that more UKPnG races could be scheduled (i.e. fortnightly).