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Practice: ~19:15 (10 mins)
Qualifying: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30 (45 laps = ~90mins)

Track: Zeltweg (Osterreichring 1979) download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg81636#post_osring)
Cars allowed: Any GTC-65 including the Ferrari 250GT SWB and the Aston Martin DB4 (both available from the downloads page) plus Plymouth (Available here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_plymouth)) and Mini Cooper 1310S (Available here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_Mini1310)), excluding GT40 and Mclaren M1A and Lotus Elan and AC Shelby Cobra


Time of Day Setting: 06:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: 2x
Fuel consumption: Normal

Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel or change your tyres. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the first lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTL Enduro
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) This race will be run using the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.8.0.0 which will need to be installed prior to racing; please get it from the downloads page.
(4) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
(5) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car

If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Unavoidable family commitments mean I must give this one a miss. Shame.

I'm going to have to miss this one too, pity.  :(

Love this circuit - well at least the older GPL version - But some idiot has built a chicane at the top of the hill (that caught me out first time) and 'hells bells' Tony "there's snow on them thar hills"   :w00t:

Think I'll try the Ferrari 275 so if anyone has a set up for it could you PM it please as I cannot get to the SROU set up file.

Laurie

Bye bye SRou Lap Record  :'(

Watch your petrol gauge regularly during the race  ;)

I wouldn't be so sure. This race is excluding the GT40, Mclaren M1A, Lotus Elan and AC Shelby Cobra & the tyre wear is x2... so you may well still be the holder after this event ;)

Legzy

Is the TVR Grif eligible for this race, its a little bomb compared to the 275!

Laurie

Yes Buddy, that's a GTC-65  :)

I have to say guys but your choice of race times just gets more bizarre.

I have a real problem with night stuff on my computer. Low frame rates etc.

It appears every other race is now in darkness

Can we get back to good old daylight racing please.

I realise you guys put in a lot of work to get the races on so its your choice.


Oilseal

Please dont tell me its atmospheric. I used to use that line on girls when I was much much younger, and look at the trouble it got me in to

The race times for each Enduro event vary by two hours each. Hence Zeltweg is 06:00, Nogaro was 08.00, Hockenheim was 10:00, Zandvoort = 12:00, Monza will be 14:00, Estoril was 16:00 and Nords was 18:00.

As I said............it's your bat and ball

See you in the sunshine



Oilseal

Couple of us on the server remembering what a great track this is  8)

To get the ball rolling, (while Lazlow was a little quicker) I just about squeaked a high 2:08 here.

High 2.04 in the Daytona, whether I'll be able to race is another thing however.

I fancy some praccy, so will be on the server from 8:45pm if anyone wants to join in?

p.s. For anyone that was having problems connecting to the server for the last race, have you seen there is a new fix suggestion?

Too late for me but I'll be on earlier to drive with any early birds.  ;)

Bill

Spent a while on line - trust the Tyre wear: 2x was set, if not I'm in for fun and lots of tyres during 45 laps if I survive that long.  :sweatdrop: :eek:

Bill

Yes, I can confirm the tyre wear is already set at "2x" on the server  ;)

I've tried the Daytona, TVR & Vette... they all feel brilliant here 8)

Choices, choices! :-\

p.s. down to 2:05's 8)

Thanks to those guys on last night, I had an absolute blast swapping places while nice and sideways in the Cuda - what a track! Had forgotten how good this place is. Ade stuck too many quality moves on me to mention and Legzy was like a man possessed in that beautiful Vette (shame about the paint!).

Doing mid 2:06's in the Cuda - absolutely love the thing, the discrete styling, the sound, the handling, it's just brilliant - despite the odd imperfection like taking corners.

Anyway, I figure those chunky rear tyres must weigh a bit so my strategy is to wear them down until I'm about the same weight as an Elan....at which point, I'll unleash the horses and you'll all be feeling my wrath. If that doesn't happen I'll just settle for looking cooler than yow at the back there ;).

Hope you can make it Madd, that was quite a pace you were running!

Tried several ways (a huge thank you to my team mates for the help and time spent with me)
to connect to SROU server, unfortunatly without success.
Seems that while a permanent fix doesn't come out, I will miss all GTL races.  :death:
Nevertheless, I wish you all lots of fun (specially to Prodigy Team)  :yes:

Cheers

PR, just a thought... are there any Portuguese GTL forums? They will be having the same problems as us & may have a fix themselves that you might be able to use to race with us? :-\

Hi Legzy,
I was at the three more important Portuguese sim racing sites trying to find out anything about that.
It is weird, but they just left GTL races after this second online connection issue.
And they haven't any guide and discussion about it. Odd.

That's a shame. What about any other GTL servers, can you connect to them? Maybe the GamersCrib ones as a suggestion (I think that's where our fix came from). Also, do you have another PC you can install GTL on as a test & then try to connect to our servers from that?
After that, I'm probably out of ideas :(

Having had a read around, if you've installed GTL to a non standard folder or to somewhere other than C: might not help, even though i cant see why!

I've tried a few other servers and I can see the gamers-crib GTL server. Doesnt help for us though. I need to re-read the text files in the GTL folder as i know it did talk about connecting to a remote server and that the lobby would do everything automatically, but if not then....

My GTL is in D:\GTL¹ and not C:\Program Files\GT Legends which is the 'standard'. Other than mentally translating C:\GTL (as it appears in most READMEs etc) to my actual location I've never had any reason to suspect any problem.


¹ Yes, "D:" is for Driving. :D

I have a C: drive (80 G) which is used for boot only (then I have 30 seconds to choice which drive C: or D:
runs.

I have all my stuff at D: drive (350 G) and my GTL is installed at: D:\GTL as my GTR2 and my P&G
all the other games I have them at D:\Programs\...........

I have tried other servers IP (GamersCrib and RaceDepartment) without success either.

While I can't think of a reason for it not to work with "D:\GTL", I agree with Spanner that it would be worth installing it at the default location.

So boot to the C: drive & install it there mate. I do hope it works for you.

Would be nice to know which method people have connected by. Thinking of trying the antideco patch again.

The other thing is you're killing two birds that way and eliminating the possibility of a clean install having some affect too :)

No pressure ;)

I've never installed the anti-deco patch Mark, just added that text file, entered the IP in game and connected fine.

C: drive haven't anything working (anti-virus, anti-spyware, router, updates, etc....for 3 years)
I wonder if I can install a fresh one at D: drive along with the actual installation but instead of be on D:GTL,
install it at D:\Programs\GTL
 :-\

I used the LOCAL_IP_LOBBY.txt and added the IP address as instructed. I have to add the IP every time I connect
but it remembers what you added last time. Also the "password" is not the one you normally use for online
it's any word you want.

Just a thought PR, but can you ping the two IPs?

Open a DOS box and "ping 85.214.139.23"  and then "ping 81.19.209.165"

If you can see both, then it is a mystery why you can't connect
I thought maybe it was a DNS issue, but everything is IP so there is nothing to resolve.

Oh, and my install is C:\games\GTL, which is where I put the LOCAL_LOBBY_IP.txt
and I have never used the antideco thing .

If I go with my normal username and password it will quickly change screens to the server list screen and sit at 'searching..' for a few mins then go no games found.

If i use a different password it sits on that screen where you put you login details in and then comes up with message saying unable to find server.

That was with a skeleton install without any UKGTL stuff.

Matt, I'm a PC noob. I don't know how to perform that.  :-[

Did you try a different user name (i.e. Spanner1)
Does that do the same or different?

Click "start", click "run", type "CMD" & enter. It will bring up a black box. Then type "ping 85.214.139.23" & enter.
It will either give you four replies, four timeouts or tell you it can't.

Ligel, I've posted your concerns HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6917.msg120515#msg120515) as its own new topic, as it's a bit of a general overview of what might be in the future.

Always learning... :D
First thing I will do when arrive home this evening. Thanks mate.

Personally I still think it worth testing a "C:\GTL" install. All you'd need to do it sort the router out (check you can see the Internet to confirm it's working), install the game & the text file, then see if it works.
If you need to use that, then you can anti-virus it later. This is purely to test an unmodified PC/install.

I have connected as oily and phspok, but didn´t change anything, it goes on with the same username and password that I have always used.

I think the "password" is not really used, it just needs something to be entered.

One point - With the LOCAL_LOBBY file in your GTL dir (wherever that is)
When you select network in the initial screen, don't select internet, select "Local or Direct IP"
and put in 81.19.209.165
If the game is in Race session, and wont let you in then you need to drop out, and reconnect with the 81.19.209.165
each time, until you get in. I was trying to join last night and had to wait some time between races
to be able to connect, and, unless I dropped out, and reconnected it said "no games found"
Phil joined from Germany, so it's not a "UK only" issue. IMHO it doesn't matter whether your install directory
is G:\obscure_directory_name\GTL but if you can't make it work, try anything  :)

Actually I don't really understand why the LOCAL_LOBBY file is needed, if our server is running dedicated
and there are no firewall issues, I would expect the Local or Direct IP method to connect anyway.
Umm I feel a test coming on...

:-[ We did get rather carried away racing last night :-[
Seriously one of the best tracks we have available to race GTL & these cars marry up lovely here  :tt1:

Yeah, I think it uses you driver profile, but worth trying a different "lobby name" along with the new password.

As another idea for PR to try 1st as it's quick. Try creating a new Driver in GTL "PRTest" for example. Don't worry about getting all the controls mapped correctly to start, just create it & then choose that profile. Then try to get online. If it works you can go back & profile the new one correctly.
I had to do that ages back when something went wrong with my proper drivers profile.

OK, as I thought, the LOBBY is not required, I guess if you want to chat to your club members between races
it would be useful, but is not needed (and actually adds an uneccesary step) to connect to our server.

I have a 2nd PC with GTL installed, that I use only for replays. It has no art deco patch, or LOBBY file
it is a standard install (C:\games\GTL ) with only SROU addons.

I started GTL as normal. I selected "Multiplayer" I selected "LAN or DIrect IP" I entered  81.19.209.165
it asked for a username I entered "fred" it asked for a password, I entered "fred" it then went searching for games
and came up with our server, I selected the server in the list (of one) and gave it our normal practice password
and I was in the game.

Umm I just tried again, and it  works fine, except I am at the Nord, as I have not installed Zeltweg on this system

I will follow your tips guys, thanks again.  ;)

Hope you manage to sort it out Paulo, must be very frustrating.

Thanks Goldtop.

Ok, I just did that CMD thing at the DOS, here are the results:

Answer of 85.214.139.23: bytes=32 time=84ms TTL=115
Answer of 85.214.139.23: bytes=32 time=84ms TTL=115
Answer of 85.214.139.23: bytes=32 time=84ms TTL=115
Answer of 85.214.139.23: bytes=32 time=84ms TTL=115

Ping statistics: send=4 - received=4 - lost=0

This is the main info I got. It is bad or good? Or weird?

that means you can see the systems OK over the internet
Try to follow the steps as I noted below, and see if you can join
Server is about to restart, so wait a couple of minutes
start GTL as normal.  select "Multiplayer"  select "LAN or DIrect IP"  at the bottom of the next screen it has an option
to "Add IP Address" enter 81.19.209.165
it asks for a username enter "paulo" it asks for a password,  enter "paulo" it will then search for games
and eventually come up with our server,  select the server in the list (of one) and give it our normal password

If it still doesn't work, maybe turn off Windows Firewall, and reboot your machine.? (desperation sets in here)

Thanks Matt, I have done exactly all the options you are giving me. Without success.
I even tried with a new profile as Legzy sugested.

Well that was stonking good fun on a top track.

I think the 2x tyre wear worked really well here tonight (not sure it worked so well last time :-\). Everyone seemed split tonight between one or two stop strategies, which spiced it up a bit differently for a change. How would it all work out in the end....

Well I've no idea because my engine caught fire along the back straight. ::) ::) ::)

Gutted. :'( :'( :'(

Well done to the finishers. :)

Well I am at a loss Paulo. Direct IP should "just work"
What exactly happens? at what point does it fail?

Race started well, was having a scrap with Phil and Oily, then I did my 1st of a few falling offs at the 1st chicane
nasty thing that, don;t like it, it's like that silly 1st chicane at Monza. Got caught out with the tyre wear thing
I really don't like it, I like the idea that it forces people to change tyres, but you spend wayyy too many laps
struggling with an ill handlin car, unless you have the time to practice lots and lots to get a setup to suit.
Which I don't. anyway, was a good one, caught and passed Oily near the end and then had an ice dancing
competition with him to the flag.

Enjoyed that. Went for a long one stop in the Daytona which worked out ok apart from having to manage my tyres for a few laps before pitting. I didn't want to risk running out of fuel like in recent outings, so I overfilled which cost me far too much time.

Had a big off up the grass banking at about lap 30 and landed on my roof. Car never felt quite right after that, but fortunately it was still quick enough in a straight line to keep Dave at bay in the Healey.

Mixed night for team KC. Great win for Ade :clap: :clap: :clap: Bad luck to Bill who was punted off track early on and fell back after a good start. :( Hope the driver concerned puts in a report.

Is this good news? At least for who can't log into GTL IP lobby as me?
http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=868779#post868779

Gutted I missed this, reckon I could have been very competitive  ;), I hope to make the last races however.

Does look promising PR  ;D 8) sat in the lobby at the moment, only Altbierbude.de servers running so will have to grab some tracks and stuff so i can join..

I will repost your link into the GTL lobby problem page :thumbup2:

I'm wondering, Paulo, if your LOCAL_IP_LOBBY.TXT is actually named LOCAL_IP_LOBBY.TXT.txt on your PC, and you don't realise it because of Windows' stupid "don't show file extensions by default" policy. Hmm.

Hopefully this new community lobby will solve everyone's problems.

Very tough race that; The Os'ring isn't a very good place for the Healey, not so much because of it's lack of ultimate top speed, but because all those boring long straights prevent any front tyre temperature to be maintained. :-\

A big "thank you" to Tibs who lost it in front of me in the first chicane and in a display of selflessness hit Escape before I ran into him. A real shame that because it was one of the few interesting battles I was likely to have.

Very frustrating but interesting stuff for the first few laps as the slower end of the heavy metal powered away down the straights and then found itself under attack from my much more nimble Healey in all the corners. It was truly bizarre to have cars race past me on the main straight, pull out a 50-100m advantage going into the first chicane, and to still be holding me up by halfway through it. ::) :laugh:

After Tibs left I didn't really have anyone to fight with, and it was a long and tedious drag to half distance. The last 3 or 4 laps very very hard work with the rears shot and the fronts cold, and my stop was almost a disaster when it tried to rotate going into the pitlane, and I slewed into the crowd, killing dozens of cardboard people before finally getting it back until control without hitting anything solid.

The second half of the race was even more dull and I only stuck it out because a top 10 finished looked certain. Alex was showing as DNF in XD but 11th on the track and at the end of the race I wasn't 100% certain that he wasn't trying to catch me for position, so I kept pushing and ran off a few times, luckily not hitting anything.

TBH that race was too long for me on a week night. :wheelchair:

Much too long, over 95 minutes, but no matter how much I generally avoid Enduros, I just HAD to have a go at Osterreichring, driven here before but never raced, but probably my favourite track of all, tied with Brands GP.  Even if I was completely losing it by the end I still enjoyed every single lap there, even the ones I messed up.  Awesome track.  And first race I've finished at a competitive pace for ages.   :clap:

Had a real problem getting in with the local_lobby_whatsit.txt, took several minutes earlier in the evening, mine sticks at the server password screen, but I did get in and do my 2 laps of pre-race practice!  But come race time it took 20 minutes of clicking and pressing return to get the password accepted - I was just about to give up and go fire up IL2 when suddenly I got in, 5 mins after I thought the race had started, but with only a couple of minutes of qually left. :)   Missing qually said bye bye to my only opportunity to get refamiliar with the track.

So first half of the race was spent slowly nibbling down the times from 2:09 to 2:06s.  I think that helped make the time go quicker, just learning the corners better, since for much of it I was on my own although I had a few brief fights with Matt, James and Smiler.  If I'd started up to speed I could have dragged that overweight Vette round reasonably competitively.

After fearing that I'd wasted money on a G25 just as I was losing the desire to race, perhaps not, and the G25 does seem to offer finer control than the DFP. :thumbup1:  Shame I still can't locate the right buttons in the race, sticking it in neutral once at top speed and running off a few times searching for the headlights and LCD mode buttons.   :P

Grats to the podium and I think to everyone who managed to last such a long race.  :)

I was very disappointed to have missed this race but an old RAF mate and his wife turned unexpectedly in the late afternoon and stayed until 8.  Hope you all had a good time at Zeltweg.  The track always reminds me of travelling along the A5 through the mountains in North Wales on our way to Holyhead.  Will download the replay and enjoy watching it later on.  Grats to the podium.

Laurie

Have to say, that one really did feel like an enduro at times!

In practice the Cuda was only a little off the pace and while it was obvious the grip wouldn't last given the fact it drives sideways everywhere, did you see that thing!? It takes up half the road, you have to love it LOL. Chuffed to get a chance to drive it in anger although I should have put some time into a race setup really as I can't believe that was the best wear rate I could get from the tyres.

I hadn't managed to get one decent start in all of our practice races, just the merest hint at the go pedal and the rears would light up but I took it nice and easy, let the revs drop almost completely and got a nice bite point to rocket off the line (albeit half an hour behind the somewhat optimistic Legzy ;)).

Had some good dices early on but never enough for my liking, not over such a long race. I was more just holding people up really, Jim I think was reading the paper while planning his move and for both Matt and Steve it was pretty much like taking candy from a baby but I enjoyed it all, just desperately trying to hang on/ keep it in a straight line.

The tyre challenge added a new dimension, while I would obviously prefer more grip, it did keep thing's interesting! I would get 6 or 7 laps of beautiful handling before the the grip would fall away and at the end of each stint I was up to almost 60.00 on the left rear LOL.

Seems a few of us got caught out by the slippery pit entrance, I came in on full opposite lock and managed to earn myself a stop/go for the privilege!

A big congrats to all the finishers but well done Dyno for getting us some points and to the podium who were driving exceptionally well if the times and gaps were anything to go by.

Thanks all, hope to come back here again - have to say I am curious as to what it would be like without that first chicane. I've seen some of the old F1 footage and it looks pretty hairy...might be worth a look for next time but I love it either way.

Next!

Yeah that 'Cuda looked sweet mate, even if it did run a bit wide leaving a gap even a supertanker could drive through.  Resect for dragging that round.

I was going to ask about tyre durability - that was the first time I ever used GTL-PD or XD or whatever, and a lap or two before I pitted the first time, I had wear 47 on the LR.  Being used to 25-30 in GTR meaning 'woah!' I was going to ask if this is normal in GTL - but if you got 60, then clearly the 40s are perfectly reasonable!

I was surprised not to get a s/g on my 2nd stop,I engaged the limiter on entry just before the traffic light but the revs continued to fall for a bit longer - don't expect leniency from GTLs pit speed limit.....

Tyre wear at 60 has got to be some kind of new record!

Maybe GTL doesn't model punctures through excessive wear? Grip fell away after wear 10, and then dramatically at wear 20, which is like GTR2.

Something else I noticed in XD is that the lap count showed "x of 54" instead of 45. ::)

Was the same for me. I've also noticed this in previous races. Get the impression XD is a bit buggy with GTL.

I've certainly blown a worn tyre (after an hour of wear round Spa in a 906) offline, so I'm pretty sure punctures from wear are modelled.  These 65 tyres must just be insanely durable.

I was going to stop at 45 come what may, even if XD told me to carry on.  :D

Yeah, I agree... XD isn't quite right for GTL, but I use it for the order of drivers thing & the Game HUD for lap info & PD for all my pit stuff.

I wonder if Oily got to 60 because he was in a mod car :-\

I know my Daytona tyres were going off badly shortly after 20. But then with the Plymouth, the handling isn't exactly normal to start with, so would you notice worn tyres :P

Fun while it lasted!
Hadn't practiced but I knew the circuit from my GPL days.
First part of the race went well and had soon climbed to 9th place. had a brief battle with Steve Holmes before he got his act together and left me in his wake. All going well then for some reason I misjudged my braking point, hit the barrier and ended up the other side of the it on the grass bank. ::) Took me an age to rejoin at the end of the back straight. Managed to catch and pass a couple of drivers then I pitted, oh dear!!!
Cocked it right up, put no fuel in and got a stop n go. Managed to get around another lap re entered the pits, but because I had a stop n go all the pit menu was locked. So I ran out of fuel. :-\
 Lovely circuit but not sure I would have made it to the end anyway. One and a half hours is a bit much for me on a school night!! :'( :'(

I'd have to say the 10 and 20 milestones were about right actually Steve - I don't know how the Corvette felt but once I got up to 25 it became so difficult to put the power down....but the most difficult bit was actually the fast right hander after the first chicane. Whereas the front would just about get enough grip there normally, as soon as the four wheel drifting started on entry it would just slide, and slide, and slide until eventually at approximately 3.5 mph it would get grip briefly, just in time for the back to kick out as you try and make it move forwards again! Good times :)

I was thinking along those same lines Legz, the handling probably wouldn't change much but unfortunately I was losing between 5 - 7 seconds per lap towards the end of the stints so with hindsight I might have revised my strategy just a teeny bit. Definitely a two stopper at least!

P.s  - any chance of a lap chart just for comedy value??  ;D

Last night I couldn't get that chicane right.  I think in qualifying I aborted as many laps as I completed - those kerbs are deadly.

My start was delayed by the car in front but I managed to avoid the pile up at the chicane and mangaged to get up to 10th I think.  All went well until lap 4 when I clipped the first kerb of the chicane and was thrown onto the right hand one and spun, Alex, I assume, punted me over the fence - thanks for waiting but it was all of my own making.  Took ages to turn the car around to get back to the track, I was pointing up the steep bank and couldn't drive up it.  Had a couple more offs and eventually finished up behind the barrier after the chicane, with a bent car and worn tyres I decided to quit - I'd already been lapped by the first 4 or 5 drivers.

Bill

I'm guessing like the Plymouth but slightly less so.  I had quite a few grassy excursions due to oversteering onto the inside, plus some severe fishtailing when I got the power down once it was over 25-30.  Muchly amusing actually, very enjoyable.


Unofficial Lapchart (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/steveh/ZeltwegGTLEnduro/)

First of all: what a beautiful mod the Cuda is. Kudos for the one who found it!
So I picked up my open-face helmet, put on the big sunglasses and was yelling 'I am the Intimidator!'. That lasted until corner 1 where I was dead last. So my Intimidator strategy went out of the window....

Setup was entirely focused on keeping this beast on the road and failed to see the consequences of 2x tire wear until lap 7 in the race. The rear left tire had a wear of 20 and I wasn't even halfway the stint! Stubbornly I sticked in Sauber-esque style to my 1 pitstop strategy and went into tire saving mode. Just managed to limit the wear to 32 on lap 22 (bar was showing just a tiny red stripe) and went  into the pit. Just forgot about the rear left whilst braking and did a 180 stopping on the straight. I believe I gave one Oldie TVR quite a scare.
After the pitstop I went into tire saving mode again until the last laps..

That was me trying to have a bit of fun at the end of the race. Was fed up with that saving-tour-tires bit but in fact was one lap down.

Was right behind you when you lost it. Nice roll and didn't know that a Tank could fly so high  :D


I did? Please report me if I was naughty because wasn't aware that I shoved you from the track  :-\

Great track, great cars, what do you want more?

Alex someone hit me and I went over the fence, as I passed you stationary I'd assumed you were waiting for me as it was you.  Apologies if it wasn't you. As I said it was my fault that caused the problem - not an issue with me,  I was thanking you for waiting for me.

Bill

Hi Bill, Alex,

I was the one involved in the crash and the one that was waiting overthere.

All was going reasonable well till lap 4. Bill missed the chicane and I tried to pass him on the left. Plenty of room but my car oversteered and we hit eachother sideways.
The cuda was a bit heavier and Bill got rocked away to the right. It took some time for Bill to rejoin and I hoped we could have a little battle for ourselves for the rest of race.
Unfortunately Bill quit and I was more than 60 secs behind the rest of the field.
Just tried to make the best of it and had fun controlling the car all race. Had to make a 2-stopper cause the tyes wouldn't last a 1 stop with my driving abilities.

greets and see you all next race