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Practice: ~19:15 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30 (38 laps   = ~80mins)

Track: Monza
Cars allowed: Any GTC-76 plus GT40 plus Mclaren M1A (Available here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_UKGTL_M1A)) plus Fiat Abarth 131 GT (Available here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_abarth131)) excluding the Pantera, Porsche 906 and the Capri


Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: 2x
Fuel consumption: 2x

Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel or change your tyres. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the first lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTL Enduro
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If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

It's been very quiet here....

I guess it wil be time for:

(http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/photographs/30csl/30csl_bob_spears.jpg)

 :D

Looks like we will all be racing for 2nd place here  :laugh:

Well I'm running at 2:08 in the heavy CSL and expect to be eating lots of dust.

Not as much as me, I'm only doing 2:10 qualifying and 2:12s in race trim with CSL and 2:15's in qualifying in the 914/6.  Trouble with the CSL is slowing it down particularly for T1 I either overshoot or spin on turn in.  (Sounds beautiful though, I'm torn between my heart and my head bearing in mind it's an enduro.)

Bill

Not going to be able to make this one as my lad Adam is taking me to the Nurburgring for the weekend

Must say I'm a little nervous but what the hell.

Any tips (not stay at home) LOL


Oilseal

Good luck its a blast 8) Your car or someone elses? Only tip is to give'em lots of room when they come past and indicate. I did spend most of my time looking in the mirrors as they will catch you at a vast rate.

 :yes: Keep to the right  :D

and watch out for the Adenauer section. It's a chicane right after a fast uphill section where the sun shines right into your eyes.
Managed to nearly park my underpowered saloon car in the gravel  :D

These Porsche drivers were also a bit surprised:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiI2MvAcOdk

My aunty wrote off her mini cooperS & put herself in hospital there. Still loves it though ;D

My advice is "Enjoy!"  ;D

Have lots of fun and get some pictures/videos and let us see it.  :)

few of us gathering on the server for some fun ;D

Actually quite enjoyed returning to this track old, as it's been long enough since my last visit.

Had a blast in the 911, GT40 & the BMW so far & my quickest laptime was a 2:06 (the slowest 2:09). The 2x fuel & tyre wear are definitely going to influence my decision :-\


On a side note, I was very concerned when I drove the BMW as it seems it can just drive over kerbs (no tyres still on the black stuff) like they don't exist. This gives the car potential to exploit massively illegal lines, especially through the chicanes. So after Thursday's race, I will be monitoring peoples lines at certain key points on the track & logging incidents if required. Luckily we're all gentlemen here, so I'm sure none will be required :).

So what is considered an acceptable amount of kerb & what is not? All 3 chicanes are quite 'cutable', as is Lesmo 2.

Should we have at least 2 wheels on the black stuff at all times?

No mention of kerbs.

I'm probably being a bit ignorant here, but what is 'railriding'?

Sorry to be a bit of a pest Legzy, but sticking entirely to the tarmac makes quite a difference to your laptime, as opposed to putting a couple wheels over the kerbs. I'm quite happy with whatever is decided, I just wanted to know what would be acceptable & what would not.

Railriding refers to deliberately running your car around the outside of a bend up against the armco and riding the the armco (or wall) around the corner. Gran Turismo is famous for it, whereas I suppose the risk of incurring damage makes it less of a problem in GTL and the like.

As far as kerbs are concerned, I've always followed the rule of 2 wheels being within the racing area at all times. I suppose you could split hairs and question whether those 2 wheels must be fully or partially within that area, so perhaps this could do with clarification.

In real life everybody cuts when needs to do it...that's why they put tire piles on a few chicanes as Imola and Enna Pergusa for example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvHBfjEAp6M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIMAv1AkboM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmBahHny-Wg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyg5EXg0Y9Q

Just four examples of always 2 wheels on the kerbs.  :)

Of course I will respect the rules, it's just that in the heat of a race, it is perfectly normal to take
a chicane with half of the car over the kerbs.  :yes:



I just found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh_btZyQv4o
                       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxUcha4Q2PY&feature=related
                       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Ai5_BEIoA&feature=related
 :D

Really? OK, brilliant, I just knocked 2 seconds off my PB.

I've found the apex concrete most accommodating on most turns, where it is especially wide, but I have also received some cut warnings. You get to learn what you can get away with. But it will be a shame if this needs policing after the event. I would hope that we are all able to drive to the usual high standards eh chaps?

Did you ever seen a real race car?  :P

Oh many times Paulo, did I ever see a race car. Oulton Park used to be at the bottom of my garden.

Lucky man.  :)

I just ment that it's usual in any race, the driver cut or at least put half of the car over the kerbs.
I must add that if the game has a cutting track warning, it exists for the exagerating cuts, as for
the other cuts, imagine an Admin see 20 drivers during 40 laps at each corner and chicane
to detect any exagerated cut. The game do it for you.
Once again, I respect the SROUK rules and even if I don't agree with everything I do respect and always
try do perform them.  ;)

These are the Green Patches between the kerbs and the grass?  Surely this is why they are there - to use?  Latest version of some tracks have big wide (a couple of car  widths) and all the GP drivers use them regularly without penalty.

Bill

IIRC, At the last F1 race here, the drivers were warned prior to the race, on their use of "the green bits" ;) & to expect a drive through on the 3rd occaision.

In the GTR2 version of this track used here, the cut detection has been made much more severe, to the point that kerbs are still fine, but you get a cut track warning for touching "the green bits". While that's maybe too far (:-\), at least everyone's car is capable of driving the same lines (not just one car).

Personally, I have no problem with seeing someone with one set of wheels riding the kerb, even coming up a little onto "the green bits". But when the 3rd & 4th wheels are heading towards the kerb too... it's time to look at your lines. Just my opinion obviously & I do share Tony's opinion, that it shouldn't be a problem with our usual high standards 8)


p.s. Down to 2:05's now

Thanks for posting those amazing youtube clips Paulo :thumbup2:

Listening to those cars has inspired me to seek out some replacement audio files for the GTL cars. I'd previously sorted out the RSR with excellent results, so when I found this for the CSL I thought I'd also give it a try.....

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=14705

Gotta say, what a difference :notworthy:

You'll need to follow the instructions carefully, particularly the part about placing the audio file into each car that you want to experience these sounds (I changed them all). The Capri sounds (which you'll also need to download and install in order to enhance the experience) are also fantastic.

The read me notes are nice and easy to follow. I had no problems with them, but obviously usual precautions apply and make your backups if at all unsure.

Have fun :)

Race length changed to 38 laps  so that it is closer to 80mins.

Remember to recalculate your fuel.

Thanks Goldtop, I've been using the BMW 320 sounds on the CSL so far, It's also a blast of power noise.  :D

Thanks Legzy for clarification will endeavour to comply at all times.  ::)

Bill

 :taz: :taz: :taz: :taz:NO MORE RACING ON THIS BROADBAND CONNECTION!!! EVERYBODY FREEZES NEXT I'M IN THE LOBBY.HOPE I MISSED EVERYONE  ??? ???

A very short race for me, I managed to miss the start, I was just trying to work out if I could get away with one pit stop (answer no!), realised I only had seconds to spare and stupidly pressed the wrong key which sent me to the desktop. By the time I switched back it was too late....  >:(

Hope you had a good race!

bah lost connection, got the best start I ever had and then lost it after 1 lap :(

Was fighting in top 10, for 11th and 12th, from about 18th on grid

Sorry Lazlow, bit of brain fade on my part there. My intention was to flash after I got round the bend, to warn you I was pitting. For some unknown reason I flashed before I even got to the bend, thereby misleading you into thinking I wanted you to overtake. Apologies again.

No worries Phil....I was to blame as well, just missed my braking point and couldn't get the Beamer to slow done :-[ Just one of those moments I think.

That was a true endurance race!
Start went so-so but managed to tap Spanner's BMW causing him to spin.. very ungentlemen-like so I will make a report tomorrow.  :(
Had some good fighting with Legzy, Phil and others until I lost it at the Parabolica... big time.
This broke my suspension and normally I can drive around it (used to lousy setups) but this time it caused me to spin under heavy braking.
After two spins decided to change the suspension.
So after a tea break I chased the rest of the field  :-\

Congrats to PR for his splendid drive and gutted to hear of my teammates' problems.

Now off westwards to the Mediterranean!

Replay and results now posted

Congratulations to Lazlow who wins the Enduro Driver Championship  :punk:

And the Team Championship is left nicely close for the last race at Le Mans

Yes many congratulations, just a shame I couldn't compete in the last few races, but still, well done ;)

My first endurance race, which turned out to be a real education.  The race for me went well untill about lap 14 when my times dropped quite dramatically - guessed it was tyres and elected to pit.  This is when my troubles started as first I forgot to turn on the pit limiter and immediatly picked up a 'stop n go'.  The red mist seemed to descend then and I totally lost my rythem and started going off the track quite regularly forcing me to pit three or four more times for repairs.  In the end I finished as the last car still running in 11th place.  Despite all my self induced problems I enjoyed the experience and hope to be at the next one.

Congratulations to the podium and thanks to everyone who made it to the grid.

Would appreciate it if Dynosaur and/or Phil Gilliland would post their 911 setups in the SROU online file as I believe I had my gears set wrong - all the other 911's seemed quite a bit quicker than me.

Laurie

Grats to podium! PR was just unbelievable, how is that possible? You had a rocket in your car?

Anyway, Laurie you are the man, I respect the way you drove your race, I mean not quitting despite all the problems you had. I saw you pitting quite a few times, but still going on.
I can upload my 911 setup, it is just one I found in a hurry, had to pick a setup that suited my driving style at least a little. I´ll let you know when I have uploaded it, Laurie!

My race was just as I expected, didn´t have the needed pace in practise, qual and naturally I lacked pace in the race too. Was there only to grab some possible points for the team, so didn´t expect much. Grats to PR, oily, and API once again for a great race, and everyone else for being there!

Congratulations for your championship driver's win Lazlow.  :clap:


This time, I had to soft a bit the suspension due to the 2x tire wear.
It was one of those nights that everything went well from the start - pit stops - finish.

When I realised that Mr_oily was in second, it was a relief and I could carry on, with a pace
not in the limits but fast just enough to increase the gap, as I didn't know how the CSL
would wear the tyres and how i could handle it...

Big thanks to all backmarkers, you were fantastic.  :yes:
Hats off to Laurie for despite of all going to the pits, kept the spirit of racing and stayed
untill the finish.  :notworthy:

Congrats to Mr_oily and API's podium and to all finishers.
Endurance races are just superb, love them. The 2x fuel consumption and tire wear were great.

Teams championship will be decided at Le Mans and it will be perfect for the very last race!

Cheers

Can't seem to find that folder Laurie, but if you go to the Monza folder you will find "911 - Phil Gill" in there.

Yeah, when I know Oily is behind me... I know I can slow down without worrying too ;D


Swapped cars from McLaren to Escort to 911 (as none of them felt right) & with two mins of qually left, I swapped back to the McLaren again ::)
So started from the back row, 21st instead of the 10th spot I'd earned in the 911. The count down started, 3..... 2..... 1.... & the lights went green & I paused before I gently massaged the accelerator so as not to light up my rears... "Tony is going to move in a minute", "Come on Tony move", "Please move Tony", "MOVE TONY MOVE!!!", bump & then Tony moved :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Being my first ever race in the McLaren, I was impressed at just how easy it was to use its power to get myself up to 12th spot by the end of the 2nd lap. Unfortunately I assumed I would be the slowest car going through a chicane in the M1a, but I was wrong & as I gently tapped the rear end of Phil's Porka, its rear engine helped spin him round unfortunately & we both lost a couple of places while I waited (sorry Phil).

Still, I made the places back up straight away & was up to 10th & 9th spot was in sight, as I thought to myself, 'this McLaren is easier then I thought'.... just before my rather excessive rear tyre wear took me for my first spin ::) then another then another then another & I had to do my 1st pit stop for rear tyres after lap 10 (they were up to about 24 wear by then) :-[

Had a good rest of the race, though I don't really remember any particular events as I was concentrating so hard on trying to keep on top of my tyre wear issues.

One moment that did confuse me, was when my 163mph McLaren (almost at top speed) on the home straight was zoomed past by PR's 146mph BMW ???

Well done to PR, you've once again demonstrated your unstoppable ability in that BMW :notworthy: while between you & Oily, you managed to re-open the Team Championship once more also.

Congrats to Lazlow on sealing his first SROUK championship win & good luck for Sunday in trying to seal your 2nd with GTR2 :thumbup1:

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oily knows that it wasn't what I meant...LOL.

He have done an excellent wingman work.  :)

Put a fair bit of pracci in for this and paid off in a P8 quali which I was pleased with.

Had a decent start and a good first stint except for losing a couple of places at that first chicane where I did a Damon (made a change from the Kimi or the Mika which usually befell me in pracci). Had a nice little battle with dyno who I eventually caught and made a place back into Lezmo 1 when he ran wide, then it all went a bit wrong. Spun it entering the pitlane, forgot to put fuel in and then received a stop/go when I forgot to hit the limiter as I repitted.  :wetfish: :wetfish: :wetfish: That's gotta be worth some kind of prize ::)

Was glad to get home in 13th after that with the CSL engine health less than 50% and front tyres way past their best.

Grats to Paulo for the win and Lazlow for the champ. Also well done to all those who finished.

For some reason it's put me in 11th when I actually finished 9th.  ???
I know I got DQed after the race when the car flipped over the railings and fell through the track, I was trying to avoid the stationary cars on the straight and failed. :-\

I think you're disoriented from all the spinning you were doing Legz ;)

PR gave me the key to the castle, setup, replay, the works. Two hours of practice and study and still only within 3 seconds. Take my hat off bud, it's a phenomenon how you make that thing so quick.

Massive congrats to Mr. Lazlow - to win the championship of super long races you REALLY have to earn it so well done mate....or is it "Sir Jim" now!?  ;D Enjoy it but don't be thinking you'll be having that team championship too, we've already sent the silverware down to the key cutters to be engraved ;)

As for the race, after practising with the Beemer and getting nowhere fast I was really struggling to decide on a motor. It took a while for the penny to drop but eventually I put the fact that Monza was a speed circuit, together with the fact that the Vette is seriously fast in a straight line and decided that would be the place to focus the time I had left to practice.

Ade had been quick in practice too, in fact low 2:03's if I remember rightly so I was expecting trouble from him and it came in the form of him sticking it on the front row in qually. Luckily those practice starts paid off and I just managed to eek in front of him by T1. I decided I'd let PR have this one bless him (honest guv  ;D) so let him drive off into the distance.

Split the stints evenly, I assumed tyre wear would be harsher in the first stint as I tried to push in the opening laps so changed at the first and then made the decision to take it really easy so as not to need to change at the second. For once I actually made a nice pit entry, was quite well organised with my fuel notes etc but it's a shame the same couldn't be said for my workshy mechanics. Lost a total of 30 seconds while my pit crew pretended they couldn't see me in the hope I'd go away. Eventually after many attempts the clipboard appeared and I was back in business and out on track without having lost my slot.

Final 10 laps were interesting, the rears were up to 33 on the wear scale by the end and I was extremely happy to see the flag with API (grats dude!) and Ade looming not far behind and the Vette fishtailing all over the place.

Lappees were brilliant, really predictable and just holding their lines so thanks chaps.

Great effort by the green ones with Dyno in 6th  and everyone else bring it home in one piece over what felt like quite a long one I must admit!

Yup, I just checked the replay & can confirm that you finished 9th (looks like you had a good close finish with Geoffers too).
I'll try to remember/work out how to restate you to your correct finishing position  :blink:.

EDIT - It was easier then I remembered, now corrected.

p.s. Forgot to mention my rather impressive laptime, that has earned me my 1st ever GTL lap record 8)

Grats Legzy for the lap record!  ;D

Thanks Dyno. Needless to say the competition was tough (no other GTC65 drivers ;)) & I'll be making sure it's preserved for ever by never doing another event involving GTC65's at Monza :P

Got it thanks Phil, looks like I had 5th set a click higher than you.  Will try it out over the weekend.

Laurie

Forgot to say, nice to see you on track Mr L  :thumbup1:

After a disasterous effort on tuesday night i was ready to sack it all in, hated the cars hated the track. Coming back on thursday i could just about get the beemer around reasonably well then got surprised by the 2x tyre and fuel and realised it was going to be tough.

Dont worry about the start Alex but thanks anyway, dont think i really dropped back from it. I managed to climb up to You and Phil and Legzy but with Legzy nudging Phil it delayed me as well and never managed to get back up to you guys. Also had Burtoner try and move into Lesmo 2 which didnt work and delayed both of us.  From then on it was a bit of a lonely race as far as i remember.

Congrats to PR on a rather dominant victory and to Oily for second place, seems i getting too slow for this team! But does leave it nicely poised for the final round especially with our joker card, PR!

Laurie, my setup is uploaded as 911_dyno....

Thanks Dynosaur - will try your setup this weekend also.

Appreciate both you taking the trouble to help me.

Laurie

Surely thats not allowed to reinstate, since he went off circult and out of bounds?  :laugh:

Check my 1st lap replay here :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzHW0HDOjXg

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I still love Oily's reply, very good! :laugh:

Classic race as well btw. 8)