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Track: Albert Park download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_albertpark)
Time of Day Setting: 14:00

Practice: ~19:15 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30 22 laps (50 mins)

Grid/server capacity:28

Cars allowed: Porsche 906

Server: UKGTL Classic Cup
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
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(3) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=210;theme=5)
(4) This race will be run using the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.8.0.0 which will need to be installed prior to racing; please get it from the downloads page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#msg54518).

Why is the on the 10th of september on the calendar?

It's due to disruptions to GTL earlier in the season. We had re-organise events and hence the calendar is out of step.

& I said I'd sort it & forgot  :angel:

Fixed it now.

Rolling...........2:15.6xx after a dozen laps.

Difficult track to learn I reckon, but the 906 feels great round here :)

Well that was ridiculous....14 laps and not a single one without multiple runs off onto the grass...and I've driven this track before.  Either its just too damn tricky for me or my setup is absolute pants.  Since I have no idea what to change on the setup I think it'll be hard to fix.  :P

So no times to post.

will be on the server after P&G tonight.

Think I did 2:12 the other night :-\

I've done the odd 2:13 and Oily's gone sub 2:11

Server up with a couple of us on it ;D

Nice track pick btw Tony  :thumbup1:

Love the track, hate the car.  ;D
I believe it will not be a good mariage for me.  :laugh:

Well, you can get a divorce after this race, PR!  ;D

I think I will be in the divorce court as the next case after PR
Good track, never been a fan of the GTL 906, is less tail heavy than a 911, but the evil
engine braking catches out my fast in slow out style every time, I have to set the brake
bias more forward than It needs just so I don't spin at every other corner when downshifting
and if I shift a bit later than normal the fronts lock up. Still "if" I stay on the track it will
be a fun race  :) Alien pace seems to be sub 2:10, I managed a 2:10.7 in a mini race with low fuel.
Race fuel I was getting 11s, I expect mid pack pace will be 2:11-13 

It's your coast setting that will counter that the best. Higher coast combats engine braking spins. :)

Divorce will be then.... ;D
I did a couple of laps in the 15' what I feel as a no future for this matrimony.  
Unless before race I make a crazy setup that works.  :P

low 2:10's for me with race fuel.

PR, go to your team site bud - a little relationship counseling awaits (well a setup anyway ;))

Against the grain it sounds, I think this is one of the car/ track combos of the season ya know and I'm definitely not a 906 man - I'm actually going to be sad to see it go....luckily Monaco should ease the pain :)

Just a word of warning if you're not a regular 906'er, that shovel nose is a bit longer than it seems from the cockpit so careful in the close quarters stuff!

Low 2:09's on race fuel, 2:08.2 with a thimble full.

 :alien: :whistling:

 :eek: :eek: :eek:

I'm gonna be well behind in this race then, 2.11.8 is the best I've achieved so far!

I reckon this will be a cracker tonight. The practice races have felt very full on with mistakes costing dearly, which should make for some interesting racing. Just a bit concerned about the various braking points/lines into those awkward right/lefts and hope they don't cause too many incidents.

Indeed Mr Legz, but I hate running more coast diff than I need 'cos it make it push
so then I have to stiffen rear bar, soften front springs.... which makes it spin more under
power.... I can live with the compromise I have, but it is "irritating" It is likely that at
some point, probably later with worn tyres I will be into the barriers on a corner approach

Same here.  I'm under practiced, coming back off a weeks coach tour (not a holiday  :lol:) and having computer upgraded ready for Windows 7 - arrived today.

Bill

Server wouldnt show up in lan/direct ip was looking forward to this one.   :(

You should be looking in the new lobby Dan :)

Well, at first I thought the track was just another Tilke creation but must say that I enjoyed it more and more.. great find!

After a strange start had some fights with my teammate and could not follow faster drivers which aftertook me after that 'strange' start.
Bit of a lonely race and Mister W.T. managed to sneak past me in the last lap overtaking melee (again).  :-\

Nice racing and hope to see next week for a stroll in the parc near Milano.

Results and replay posted

My apologies to Phil who I hit on the start straight. I thought I had cleared you but obviously I hadn't. Hope your race wasn't too badly affected.

Not your fault Tony - I got stuck in 1st gear. Only minor damage, thanks for waiting.

Yes, I have said that.
I was far from the reality, fortunately.

First happy moment was when I got the 5th starting place, because the 3 laps I've done before,
I only managed a 2.15'. In fact my setup was a mix from Mr_oily's Anti-Roll bars, Power and Coast
and the rest of mine's suspension, brake bias, camber, toes and gear box.  :)

A good start allowed me to stay right behind Lazlow in 3rd place.
I tried my best to put some pressure on Lazlow, allowing Mr_oily to stay out of pressure
and carry on on the lead. For a while my strategy went well, Lazlow ran wide on a corner
and I managed to jump into the 2nd place. As a "wing man" I behave well, untill a minor mistake that allowed Lazlow to regain his 2nd place. Again, tried to put some pressure on him. This time I failed.
Lazlow's pace was definitely faster than mine and now, my concerne began to be another.
Simon was getting closer fast.  :o
I believe we were fighting for 15 laps, very very close yet without a single touch.
First half I had lead the hostility, second half Simon was a bit faster and took the lead.
However, I managed to following him closely, untill, on the S/F straight Bill gave us the left side
when we were lapping him, but when we were braking for the first corner, I cheked the mirror
and saw Bill approaching fast on us. I realise that he couldn't brake in time, so I stayed on the left side,
Bill missed Simon's rear end, and my front end. I really predicted that moment.  8)
No arm to any of us, however I lost a few tenths for Simon and from then, trying to short the gap,
I did a minor mistakes that had put the gap between us on 4 seconds.
Last 3 laps I was shortening the gap, but I recon Simon was just controling the pace.
Great driving Simon, I had lots of fun.  :)

Congratulations Mr_oily, superb driving.
Congrats to podium finishers also.

Cheers

Qualied 12th with a pb. I've been working on my starts recently and managed to pass 3 cars off the line and still be cautious into and through T1. All this was undone at T13 Ascari where I went in too deep and through the gravel. For some reason this seemingly innocuous corner was my weakpoint throughout the race; too fast for 2nd gear and too slow for 3rd. Just horrible every time.

My race was almost ended when I had to get out of a move on a rejoining driver which put me on the grass and into the wall. Don't know whether to put a report in on this; it felt wrong at the time and the replay doesn't look great either  :-\ It was enough to kill my concentration and end my enjoyment of the race. Picked up a stop/go for cutting later on and another for forgetting the need to re-hit the limiter coming out of the pits ::)

Hope for a better race next time.

The answer is yes, the system is there to help us all improve & maximise future enjoyment :)


I'm just gutted I couldn't race. Felt so ill with "man flu" last night I thought I was going to die!  :'(

 :lol:

I wish you a fast recover!

Sorry you couldn't make it Legz - was so focussed in qually it wasn't until lap 2 that I realised we were a little light on mobile chicanes Oldies.  Thought it probably wasn't a great time to start discussing with Jim on TS however! Incidentally, aside from the customary "noooooooooooooooo!" from our man Spanner, I've never known TS so quiet! Now we're at the business end of the championship it's maximum concentration all round clearly!

As for the race, well the green armada led by a suddenly very fast Portugese bloke came through for me big time here so cheers guys! They kept Jim occupied while I tried to get my head down and stick in some quick ones in the early stages.

The rest of my race was basically about trying to peg said Oldie at a comfortable gap which proved pretty tricky. He was basically on elastic throughout, there was always the pressure there and at one point I noticed my eyeballs were drying out as I gazed at the split time and not the road lol. Still, the Porsche felt pretty good and I knew it was mine to throw away. Given the memories of Cadwell, I couldn't relax properly until taking the flag but luckily it all went without a hitch and we managed to rack up some more drivers and team points as we head into the Monaco lottery  ;D.

What a fantastic track - again hat off to organising ones, a great combination!

P.s - Sorry again Alex, appreciate the gesture - obviously didn't mean to give you that love tap in return for you kindly moving out of the way!

Sorry PR, I was keeping out of your way but conscious that Geoffers was slowly reeling me in, so I was trying to avoid losing too much time.  I didn't think I'd out braked my self - which I did in the event - I was just going to pull back on line to brake when you suddenly braked hard, leaving me nowhere to go except straight on.  I lost about 10 secs or so.

Had a short spell racing Sandor, each taking it in turn to have an off, during which time I noticed team mate Geoffers in the pits he joined about 1 1/2 mins behind me so I had to keep driving hard as I calculated he'd catch me near the end.  Sandor also pitted and shortly after retired.

Chuffed that I set a new PB in the race, still about 9 sec off the leaders but  over 2 sec quicker than my previous PB in practice.  (Sorry to overtakers if I was less cooperative than usual, once again sorry PR but all those seconds count when a faster driver is catching you.

Geoffers duly passed me leaving me in my usual last runner position.

Bill

No problem Bill, it was just a bit scaring moment. That is racing, that is what I love about SIM racing.  ;)




BTW, do England time will be back one hour on this sunday as here in Portugal? Winter time?

Yes, from Sunday it's good ol GMT

Geoffers, so sorry for not giving you a clean pass. I was being a sprat. Deserved the tap so no hard feelings.

No worries. Tried to be predictable when being overtaken only this time I picked a spot where I couldn't move away from the racing line (barriers to the left  ;D).
Glad I didn't ruin your race and championship battle.
 

No worries Tony, I should have been a bit more patient. It isn't up to you to let someone past who is a lap behind you! After several non finishes recently, I was determined to finish even though I was miles behind after spinning into the barriers early in the race & pitting to repair a very ill handling car. Enjoyed the hotlapping though, eventually managed to get into the 2.10s.

Congrats to the podium & cya at Monza.

Hi guys,

on page two of this thread it says that the replay is posted for download but unfortunately I couldn't find it  :(
Is it still available?
And how in god's name did these laptimes happen? This is not human  :o   The fastest I achieved was a 2:14.096 with race fuel  :-\

Incredible  :thumbup2:

Hi BlueEyes,
The replays for all recent races can be found HERE (https://replay.simracing.org.uk/) (the link is on the dark-blue bar near the top of your screen). You'll probably need our skin pack to watch the replay properly :-\

Are you going to join us for some future races? You'll find that you'll get quicker racing with us then the AI.
Legzy

Originally posted by Legzy
That depends on

a) when you guys do your races
b) how many laps you do and
c) how many people participate

I do assume that clean racing is not an issue ;)

I'm currently racing at racedepartment.com and really enjoy the online races (I just started GTL and the online races about three months ago, so I'm still acquireing the basic techniques of racing these beautiful cars and doing that against human players, which requires clean, clean driving imo)

Thanks for the link, I already found the other link for your skinpack which I will download as well.
Do you guys share car setups, driving techniques etc amongst each other or do you rather go your separate ways? I'm asking cause I found that there are racing platforms for beginners and for pro-drivers who then do their own things. Since I am still far away from considering myself a pro (a status which I intend to reach one day), this is an important aspect for me :)


blueeyes
   

Here's our next GTL race details, your more than welcome

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6369#event1768

a) Thursday nights
b) races are about 45-50mins long mostly
c) about 20 per race normally in GTL

We're a friendly bunch & race fair :)

Do you only race on Thursdays???

This Thursday, I have my first league race, but I could join next Thursday!? ::)
I guess, I could just replace my regular training sessions against the AI by racing the much longer races with you guys and improve my driving skills  :D   (I believed that there is only RD where GTL races are offered, and GTL4u, but they do 2 hours races which I unfortunately don't have the time for :(   )

btw, could somebody give me some tips for Albert Park? This first leaugue race takes place there and is set for this upcoming thursday! AND I definitely want to get my lap time down to at least 2:12 min (currently running at 2:14 at best)

Any ideas?

what car are you doing it in & what are you having problems with? (re car or circuit)

We only do GTL races on Thursday... though we usually get a group of us having fun practicing on Wednesday nights on the server.

Welcome mate - yeah we only race GTL on Thursdays, you might notice we run two championships side by side. We've just had a sprint event and this Thursday is the enduro. Next week is back to a sprint around Monaco79 for the penultimate round.

I can't comment on RaceDepartment but I remember first finding this bunch of hooligans a couple of years ago and was just so happy to find an alternative to racing offline or on the crazy as public servers. There are loads of groups out there but I consider myself quite lucky to have found this one first.

You'll notice it's really well organised, there's a race incident procedure where a team of moderators will look over anything you feel has happened during a race that you're not happy with - there are proper standings tables, stats for your career, detailed lap by lap analysis reports (*cough* most of the time :)) but above all, it's a friendly bunch of damn good drivers throughout the games we run on here. I cannot tell you how many insanely good and close races I've had...I used to rave about them but now it's almost expected you're going to have some serious fun on most occasions.

Just my opnion but I would say the best way to start off is read Gizmo's (Bossman) rules, go for consistency with your lap times and absolutely attend the practice sessions when you can (Wednesday night there's usually somebody on from 9pm'ish - also on Teamspeak). Nobody's going to get peeved if you're not smashing lap records from the get go but they might if you do some crazy move when being lapped or try and make up 15 places by corner one or basically don't follow the pretty simple etiquette :)

As for Melbourne, I was blabbing on to my team mates about techniques and all of that stuff in our forum so if you send me a PM with your email I'll copy that for ya but also give you the setup I used during the race. I would also say watch any replays you can from a few camera angles and try and make a note of when people are getting on the brakes, turning in, getting on the throttle again and so on - it really helped me when I first started and I still do it now if I'm struggling somewhere.

It's all getting a bit tense as it's the closing rounds but normally everyone's really free with setups etc. I'm still properly crap with them but I guarantee somebody will be about to help you, particularly if you're just starting out.

Last but not least, if you're into this era of racing, you might want to keep one eye on the Power n Glory mod. It's this but for GTR2 and I suspect before long we're all going to end up there as much as loads of would rather not admit it. Very different, I would say much trickier but if you've got half an idea what they feel like it might help if you make this a regular thing.

Christ I've written a lot.....err....and to summarise the racing here is wicked, you'll love it trust me ;)

Well, I don't really have problems, I just don't get my time down!

The car is also the 906 Porsche!
btw, I am using the G25 with manual clutch and H-Pattern shifter.
Have tried to get accustomed to the toe-heel technique but this still needs some practice!

I don't have that m uch knowledge about car setups and I don't know where my driving sucks!
i.e. T1: I start braking 100% inbetween the two markers (150 & 100m), brake, then shift into 2ed, ease of the clutch so I am in the gear before approaching the apex. If things work out fine, I can uphold almost 100kmh through T1!


What do you say?
How many of you drive with manual clutch and do you know any turns where people reugularly loose speed?!

Yeah as I mentioned, drop me a PM dude and i'll email you some handy hints + setup to get you on your way.

Well if you work out a specific problem (like... the car doesn't turn in as much as you want), I'll help you fix it. :)

Well then,

the car definitely understeers a lot in the exits even when I only apply a little throttle!
It seems like I have to lift to turn!

Try lowering front rebound &/or increasing rear bump ;)

what does "bump" mean?

it's one half of your dampners (rebound being the other half)

so it is the value that determines how quickly the shock is allowed to compress? (rebound being the value determining how quickly the shock is allowed to release!?)

Someone else will know/care about the technical detail side ;)... I know that if my car is understeery while accelerating I need to start by lowering the front rebound &/or increase rear bump (you could also raise the rear ride height a touch). To combat oversteer while accelerating, I do the opposite changes (up front rebound, down rear bump).

The biggest single problem with the 906 is usually the engine braking oversteer, which is most easily controlled with the "coast" differential. The higher the coast % the less likely your rear end will overtake you as you go into a corner. I think I had mine at 70/80% for this circuit.

What do I do to combat oversteering when lifting and coasting?

Hi blueeyes and welcome.

There's a good guide to car setup here....

http://www.g33.co.uk/suspension_theory.htm

There are lots of GTL setups from the great, the good and the not so good here........

http://www.nogripracing.com/files.php?subcat=36&sort=downloads

I don't know how long you've been simracing, but if you're a relative newcomer as I am, I wouldn't be overly concerned about finding ultimate setups. Try a couple from above, maybe from similar style tracks and go with the one that feels best. Then drive. Maybe do 20 laps, concentrating on keeping an even pace. Don't go so fast that you keep falling off, because it will take much longer to learn the whole track that way.

Read our rules and tips as mentioned in previous posts and pop along to one of our pracci sessions. For your first few races, set yourself achieveable targets - your first might be to complete a race with us or to lap consistently as in your practice lap times.

After the race, have a look at your times and those of the drivers in front of you. Have a look at the replay and make a few notes on the things you did well and not so well. Work on these as you practice for the next race and go through the same process each time.

Hope to see you on track :)

just got my time down to a 2:12.387 coming from a 2:14.109       ;D
Average times are now between 2:14 and 2:15

Awsome

Thanks guys

Excellent mate two seconds ain't bad for a couple of night's work, you aleady wouldn't have been last if you could run those consistently!!

Agree with Goldtop on the setup thing....I'd say you'll gain more getting the lines, braking technique and so on sussed to begin with. There might be some glaring stuff like fuel, steering lock, possibly brake bias if you're blatantly locking up everywhere at the front or rear but that's about it until you're settled in to the track.

Good fun innit!? :)

I've never done pit stops before but in these events, they are obligatory!

19laps @ albert park in the 906


Does it make a difference when I pit?

I thought about pitting after lap 12 with 7 laps to go! Just because when I pit, I will have been driving with less fuel, and when I hit the track again, I won't have that much fuel either (which should minimize the changes of the handling due to the weight of fuel!)


Are there strategies? ???

a 19 lap race is about 40mins... so I would guess your server is having x2 fuel or x2 tyre wear turned on if they want you to pit?

if not, then just do a splash & dash.

Pit strategies are very personal, one person might be happy driving with worn tyres while the next person thinks the same state of tyres is crazy... you kind of just need to try it out :-\

Ok guys, here are my result of tonight's race:

started 12th and ended up 12th place!

Could've been much better, but I lost 2 places due to the not yet perfect heel toe technique, and about 4 places due to sb. spinning me. Thanks to all of you who helped me so much to get my best lap time down from a 2:15 to a 2:11.8 min, especially mr_oily!!!

This was my first race over 100 km straight and the time went by like nothing lol
My concetration improved bigtime compared to the club races I normally do.

Yet, there is lots of room for improvement... hehe


I will see you guys hopefully next wednesday  ;D

btw. where do I find the password for the server? Wanted to swing by last night but did not know the PW!

Look very carefully at the first post for a race.

Oh, and well done with you race.