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The first of four rounds of a special GT3 Endurance Series to fill those long June Sunday evenings whilst we sort out Season 10.

Practice 1:	20:00	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:10	(20 mins)
Race:	20:30	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT3 from the UKGTR Physics Pack v2.9.5.1 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
Weather: changeable, seeded from real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: UKGTR Spa 2004 (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) as part of the UKGTR Track Pack v1.2)
Race Start Time: 16:00
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Summer
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
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My Mrs is already celebrating season nine coming to an end & that "I wont be glued to that PC on a Sunday night for a while".... this race series will cheer her up no end. Perfect Dave  ;D

 :thumbup2:

is GT3 our current GTC series ? ie Z4m, 997cup etc ?

Anyone been watching the FIA GT3 series on telly? Cracking close racing with all the best racing marques in the series. Be great if we could add in the Audi R8 and GT3 versions of the Ford GT, aston, C6R and that nifty khaki green morgan? That would all make for a spicy close racing season. (though that does sound like hard work  ;) )

Any chance of a Le Mans event, what with the real deal happening in a couple of weeks time. (preferably not the same weekend as i will be at it !! ).

The last GT3 championship we did MJ: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=183&scoring=341&theme=4#ch341

It's as if Dave knew you were going to ask  ;D
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=215&theme=3

Just saw the name "Le Mans" in the forthcoming event and went crazy :jumpjoy:

But is it also going to be GT3 with such straights? Please make it GT1 please make it GT1... :laugh:

Yeah, i think i would prefer GT2 and GT1 for Le mans  :)

Ta Legzy, informative as ever  ;)

Well I'm over the moon to see the GT3's getting a chance to stretch their legs again. Thanks Dave :thumbup1:

Nissan 350Z at Spa...  :drool:

GT3s will be revving their nuts off down the mulsanne  ;D

Someone might want to check all the cars can stretch that far in their rev limits for that straight. The only other problem i foresee is the Viper should wipe the floor with the rest of the group at Le Mans and the Z4m will probably follow suit with its seemed power advantage (based on seasons results)  :-\

Are you confusing the GTC Z4 with the GT3 Z3m?

Besides, you would find that the Z4 was actually the slowest car in a straight line in this seasons GTC class... but no need to discuss that here  ;)

Probably !  :laugh: i am at work so only doing sneaky peaks on here..ie not armed with the facts  ;)
Now i am confused...so what cars are valid for this series?


didnt seem to stop it sweeping top 5 places in most races  ;)

EDIT: Boo-sucks..why are we reverting back to that old class of cars ? The current GTC set has been far more fun.  :(

'Cause I for one am bored of all those 'new' cars. :P And also because it'll give us a proper chance to run a series, and thus (hopefully) get bigger grids, with standard cars. The mass discos have reduced quite noticably since we changed server hosts but 'weird stuff' is still happening...

Interesting :) I think I'll give it a go depending on what cars are available (I was just getting hang of groupings and then it all changed again :)). Glad its not GTC as I found the choices made, i.e. bimmer or viper, in those races less than inspiring.

If its a vote, I'd prefer GT1 at Lemans also but its a must even in a GT3.

and there was me thinking the new cars re-ignited peoples interest in a waning sim  ::)  I think most people were bored with the same old cars on the same old tracks.  Using cup cars/low end series at Le Mans is a bit pants in my humble opinion and a waste of a great track. (just my personal opinion before i get flamed by the usual suspects   :D ) I was looking forward to using the new stuff on it. Hey ho, i'll get my kicks when i'm there in two weeks !  8)

It'll be interesting to see the GT3 cars around Spa, should give some indication of the way things pan out around Le mans. Looking forward to this even though i cant quite remember the choices!


I do remember people taking about new cars in the GT3 class? :-\  maybe not then ;)

this gt3 series was the dullest we've ever run.  :sleep1: Endurance length races in slow cars  :-X Donington had 12 vertigos of the 19 cars that took part  ::) hence why i only attended 1 round of the whole campaign.
Not sure i will bother this time either which is a shame  :(

Thanks MJ, you've just summed up how I feel about the GT1 cars that are a weekly fixture.

I'm not sure Dave's picked up on your subtle hints as to your feelings towards GT3 yet mate... you might want to mention them just one more time in case? :-\ ;D ;)

p.s. As a former Vertigo driver, there's no way you'll see me in one now... not sure what I will be in though  :-\

Are the GT3 cars unchanged from S8?  :)

Count me in! Whatever car , whatever circuit!

Love the GT2 430 but am not a big fan of the GTC version!
Might try something else for a change!  ;)
Not that suped up Beetle though MJ !!  ;D

Yes, same set of choices.

None of the tracks are likely to suit the Vertislow, although that doesn't mean that the aliens won't be able to win with it.

I might make a flip and take a different car for each event.  :wacko:

May be that should be a requirement for the mini series?

??

M.

was just thinking this morning, might try a Viper out for this mini series. I watched the British GT round at Spa last night (loads of cool onboard action)  8)and it gave me a taste for driving the Mosler but dont think thats in this series is it? The rest of the cars dont grab me much and the older cup porker is way out powered by everything else in this crummy group.
The lure of Spa and Le Mans is too hard to resist, even if i have to use a push bike  ;D

Gentlemen, start your GT3 Cars engines... your choices are:
350Z
Vertigo Streiff
Viper Competition Coupé
Elise
996 GT3 Cup
Z3M

OOOHHHHH my Elise can be fired up again  ;D

Thanks for the heads up on this Legzy.

Yep the top 4 at Donington only contained 1 Vertogo. 1st was a Nissan, 2nd was a Vertigo, 3rd was a Elise and 4th was a BMW.

I actually felt people took the easy option in the GT3 series and opted for the Vertigo. We only had 1 Porsche and 2 Elises most of the season. Would had been nice to have had a bigger mix of cars.

NP, I remembered Blunder & me getting some tips off you in the past & that you were disappointed when we stopped using the Elise.
Will be good to see you back with us.  8)

Well, if I had my way, everyone should be driving the Elise  ;D Saying that, I am just about to sell my real life one so maybe I should move on. Can we get a Scooby WRX for GTR2??  ;D ;D

Surely with the high speed nature of Spa and Le Mans, the Viper is going to clean up?  :-\ in a normal season the results would get balanced out on the twistier tracks where the elise and Verts come to the fore.

With that in mind, it would be great to race the GT3 at Mid Ohio.

I can't do this race at Spa but sure will be up for the one at Le Mans... would take the Vertigo but if it will be 10 seconds slower I may rethink about it :laugh: will see

I kinda guessed that as well so I did a few laps in the Viper but couldn't match, or get near, to JR's GT3 lap records (I presume the times set are still relevant).  I don't rate the unresponsive, dull american car so I prolly suck in it mind  :) So looks like the good old 811 for me.

Now, Lemans might be a different matter..................................

I will race the Le Mans track what ever cars are chosen but, I would definitely go for GT1 given the choice. GT3 cars are a bit slow for that track. The GT1s can seem slow there at times and a Super Endurance race would be awesome. ;D (sorry, its just that Le Mans is in my best 3 tracks of all time list and it does not get used any were near enough for my liking :().

Very nice to see that this mini championship is in place to keep us going until U10. Nice work staff. :)

I really enjoyed the GT3 championship in U8. Seemed to be really close racing across the board to me. Very happy to be racing them again. If we can deviate to GT1 for Le Mans that would be great.  :whistling:

i think, but not sure, that Jeffs times were done in 2007 before the 996cup car was 'performance balanced' for the GT3 endurance series  :-\...ie made the slowest in the GT3 group ;)
DG would be the man to confirm/deny that. (the first bit that is, not my sarky comment  ;D )

You can't expect me to remember anything from more than a week ago! Especially not after two pints! :P

IIRC the 811 continues to be 'quite nippy' in a straight line!

Nippy you say. Is that as fast as lightening?

Can server run Spa after morrows GTL race as we, Team KC that is, want to test on Friday night (its not a private session and all but Legzy will be welcome ;)) Mucho gracious.

I accept your special personal invite to attend, thank you.  :P

Old GT3 only? Hmmm...the only car in there that sounds fun is the Viper, and it will totally walk the Le Mans race. What are the choices as that'll affect how good the racing will be.

I might join on Friday to nudge Legzy with my Viper.  :devil:

Closest thing to Marcos in this series.  :)

anyone done any laps in the cars available to know what to aim for ?

I very briefly tried the Porsche cup car (naturally :-* ) and it felt pretty good at Spa, only did 3 laps and did a 2:29 (with a full tank of fuel), so more to come off of that...i hope.

Waiting for some online pracci before I commit but I was about a second quicker in the 811 than I was in the horrid viper offline. Now, I might just suck bigtime in the viper or, thats good news :)

What then, about 8 pm, London time?  :)

Perfect for me :)

Ill be on around 8.30pm. No vulgar American cars allowed ;)

I`m new here,so first of all want to say :Hello Everyone :) I found this forum looking for some simracing legue with GTR2 game.I want to join this summer chalenge but got some questions:
-I have to instal car pack v2.9.1.0 and then Physics Pack v2.9.5.1,or only Physics Pack v2.9.5.1 on clean GTR2 instalation?
-are there some trainings between official races,and how I can join to this trainings?i can`t find any info about servers,in calendar are only race dates

Thx for answer,and any other usefull tips :)

Looking forward to racing with You,cheers.

Hi Johny. You only need the 2.9.5.1 physics pack, each pack is standalone. Best installed on a virgin copy of GTR2, and you'll also want the GT3 skins otherwise most of the cars will look like "primer". :D

The server is nearly always available for testing when there isn't a league race on - see the announcements box at the top of the forum. It's currently cycling between UKGTR Spa (you'll need the track pack too) and two new tracks.

Welcome aboard Johny :) I would have thought this challenge series would be ideal time to join us.


Should be a few of us on pracci server tonight if you fancy it. If you need any help setup wise just shout as we are, on the whole  ;), a helpful bunch.

Hi Johny and welcome from a fellow newbie.

Click on the link at the top of the page in blue "usual practice password" and then look for the UKGTR servers online.

Hope you're not too quick :)

Thx,but i still can`t join to the server :-[
I saw this:
and i found password,but I cant find in GTR2 lobby server named : "UKGTR Summer"...
Is there any IP Adress to SRou GTR2 serwer?
I read this--> https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=40.0 ,use search tool,but dont find answer for my question  ???

EDIT:Thx Dave.I made new instalation  of GTR2 for league car pack and didn`t change difficult level.

Sounds like you're using Arcade or Semi-Pro mode, you need to be on Pro (I think that's what it's called) as the 'lower' modes use a different lobby. The server's definitely there, I was on it earlier. ;)

Hope you get your tinternet working for Sunday Johny  :'( 


Online, it was mid 25's in race setup but only half a second quicker in quali mode. Spa and the 811 has to be one of the best combos, it could be bettered by using the old chicane mind ;) Looking forward to a dry race on Sunday, please. 

If it's wet, I might be knocking up a second straight victory over SBG on tonight's evidence  :P ;)

Think i need alot more practise with these cars ??? Only done a few laps with the viper and 350z to try them out but not really under 2.30 yet with them. Was just trying out the porka when the game crashed. Sounds like its going to be a bit of a GT3 cup race then!

Do we know yet if this championship will stay GT3 only? Only most seem to want GT1 for Le Mans, and I'd take the Viper (in GT3) based on it being rubbish on fuel and tyres (and it's fun).

GT3 only and Viper + Le Mans however will be difficult to beat. Could we do GT3 for Spa, GT1 for Le Mans etc? Just a suggestion. :)

Anyway, good luck to those who race, I'm not sure whether to yet. :-X

I agree :) Don't think I've ever done a challenge using all classes and it would be interesting to find how we all fare when using GT1/2/3's for one championship. We could also use GT1 (i.e. the MC12 :punk:) at Lemans then  ;) 

As a result of last week's race at Donnington I have unplugged the G25 and will take a break from racing. Cue cheers from certain aliens who will no longer be held up.
I shall continue to moderate GTR2 races (so few actually do) and will watch this season with interest. I hope everyone enjoys their racing. Hopefully I shall feel welcome enough to resume racing at sometime in the future.

It's all very well for you aliens to keep chopping and changing cars every race but most of us struggle to get used to just one or two over a whole season. If we just change class every race you haven't got a championship, just a series of fun races.


I'm sure you will - but who am I going to battle now for the 'honour' of slowest Team Shark driver? (Cue comment from Picnic.)

ps. Managed a 2:29.6 in the 350Z on race fuel but with a wacky setup which probably won't work over a race distance.

Oh, sorry. I thought that was what this summer series was!  :D

Noooo this is a serious business! :P

Now down to 2:27.7 in the 350Z.

No cheers here Prof :(

2-25 in the vertigo, high 2-23's in the Porka Cup and 2-27 in the viper.

Not sure what this is about but I'd like to see you back asap.  :(

TT

Prof you will be sorely missed out on the grid...a gentleman racer...is there anything that will change your mind??  if not look forward to your return :)

Being our fith visit to Spa inside the last six months, I had little enthusiasm for this race to start with. Add to that a little nudge that span me round (thanks for waiting though), immediately followed by a moment of madness on my part as I tried to get going again (sorry to who ever it was I pulled in front of :(). Carried on for a few laps, missed a braking point & barely waited to hi the wall by the time I'd pressed Esc.

Spa as a track is OK, but it's the 'again & again' factor... Anyway, if we race again at Spa in 2009, I doubt I'll bother. :sleep1:

Not the best of evenings for me.

Everything went well until the formation lap, when I managed to stick it in the armco at La Source :-[

As a reesult of this, I sustained front end damage, giving me awful understeer so decided to pit at the end of my second lap and brim it to the end. As I exited the pits I was passed by the leaders and was soon caught by most of the field. I tried to tough it out for a while but finally lost it at Les Coombes.

I enjoyed watching some of the race until I discoed, so I suppose it was never meant to be.

Can't wait till Le Mans :)

Great Race....Great circuit 8)

Sorry for the nudge Legzy didn't realise how slow that Tank was going through the second part of the Bus Stop :o the only honourable thing to do was wait for you and just sacrefice other places I lost waiting..however managed get them back with your spin and a couple of others going wide.

Then pitted one lap before the rain  ::)  which forced me to come back in again when it got too tricky for dry tyres....however was doing well when I got a stop go ::) for saving my skin through Eau Rouge by going slightly wide..this just can't be right ???   .....Anyway lost heart with that and with only about 5 min to go pitted and left the race...
Great fun apart from the ridiculous stop go ::)

Been discussing strategy with Tudor and, as he is the "noob", I told him one tank will last 80 mins in the 811. O no it won't :) Your turn to organise strategy next time mate.

Could have nicked a dodgy (for me, weather just made it a lottery and I got lucky) win apart from strategy but you live and learn. Congrats Gazza, TT and Jon.   

Quite enjoyed that overall 8)
Qually went well but could've been better the 911Cup could go into the 2-22's easily. Before the pitstops/rain the race was easy for me just a matter of keeping it on the road and keeping the gap steady, after the pitstop it all went a bit pear shaped. Went off straight away on my wets and lost time then got a cut warning first time trough eau rouge on them(added to my earlier one for the exact same line take). Went off again whilst pressing buttons for team speak :-[ SBG was just ahead of us this time but I was close to him and was gonna attack after eau rouge but SBG went wide up the right hand part and I could see him starting to come across the track and took evasive action across the pit exit part....And got a stop/go ??? After the Stop/go I lost a bit of interest but it was still an enjoyable race all round. Grats to all finishers and grats to Gazza and TT 8)

I think it was JPS that spun you and then me who you shot across  ;D No worries though, these things happen.

Great race for me. I love driving in the rain so really surprised and happy to see it come just before my pitstop. However, I thought if I change to rain tyres, its bound to stop so I stayed on slicks which was ok until the last 15 mins when I really had no grip. So I changed to wets and all is well again. Really enjoyable race.

The only bad bit was in qualifying, on a hot lap, driving through Blanchimont, Gazza decided to just drive straight into my rear, spinning me around and smashing me into a wall. Really dissapointed at this as I thought we were a bit better drivers than this. Even a sorry would had been nice. >:( >:(

I suspect, cause you joined during quali, Gazza didn't see you as he hadn't loaded your car whilst out on track.



Bugger, and apologies for that Jon. I was on hard wets and completely fooled by the loss of grip there. 

I made the decision to go for Inters at the pit stop. Bad move.

The race was a bit lonely for me but, I did overtake Lazlow on the first flying lap without crashing. :D I was happy with that.

Linus. I believe that Gazza may have already been on track when you joined the server. This means that he could not see you on the track. I am sure that this is the case as no one bumps people off on purpose here. They would get banned.

We did discuss your comment on TS ("Thanks Gazza") but, I was not watching him or you at the time so we were confused by your comment. I told Gazza that I assume that you had mistaken the driver names. I hope this helps to clear the matter up. :angel:

No need for apologies SBG I aready had 2 cuts, it's just the way it goes ;D Was surprised by the cut on the pit exit side, never had one there before.

Yes as Ginsters thought i never even saw your car Linus so had no idea what you were talking about and as we were in Qually couldn't ask what had happened coz we are not supposed to chat in qually, Anyway sorry but as i said i never saw or heard anything. I would never do that.

Race was really fun, great scrapping with Ginsters and TT, quite a few times i got a good tow on Ginsters after en rouge but then wasn't brave enough on the brakes, then i finally got passed only to get side ways and let him back in front lol. Finally got past but then a few laps later my rears were shot and i went off which let TT and Ginsters passed. Rain started a lap before i was gunna do a pitstop so quite lucky there and i decided to go for hard wets. It worked pretty well and then TT had an off and i was 3rd.

Last 15 mins was tough though as it got very wet and my tyres were stone cold so no grip. Just tried to keep it on track and hold off TT for third but then Jon pitted which gave me 2nd and then i was catching Ginsters pretty quick (i guess you were saving fuel). Caught up to him and then to my suprise he pitted with one lap to go so gave me the win.

A very good weekend of motorsport for me as saturday i won a 2hour endurance karting race at thruxton and now a win here so very happy.

Grats TT and Jon i think for 3rd.

Must also say a quick thanks to Jon for some setup help late saturday night, took 2 seconds off my time  :)

Replay and results posted.

In qualifying I just couldn't get the Zed working on softs and wasted most of the time trying to work out how I'd managed to transplant the 360 GTC's evil snappish braking oversteer onto the 350. Went back out on medium slicks and immediately felt better. Most odd. In the process I completely forgot to practice the pit entry, so that was going to be an adventure in the race!

During the formation lap I realised that I hadn't opened the radiator vent - it was still at 1 from qualifying. :o The 350Z isn't bad for engine temps but I was still driving with an eye on them and short shifting a little before the rain came and saved me.

Early race pace was okay, though I lost a fair bit of time when I had to stop to avoid running into Legzy's spun Viper, and traded paint with Michael Boylan's Elise and Gomes's Vertigo, which had gone off along with Ade's Elise, and which unfortunately I bumped into the sand at Stavelot whilst we tried to run through the corner side by side.

Despite all this I soon caught JPS, who as usual was frutratingly slow in the corners and even more frustratingly fast down the straights. Eventually I got a run on him out of Eau Rouge, having dropped back over a second to do so, and once through was able to build up a gap of 4 to 5 seconds before resuming my short shifting regime.

All this time the clouds were getting thicker, and when the sun turned into a watery ball I knew that rain was almost upon us. Luckily that was whilst I was on my in lap so I cancelled my stop and held out until the tyre temperature was dropping rapidly.

Wasn't sure what tyres to change onto but my slicks had remained just about viable so I decided to go for hard wets and risk the rain getting worse. For 20 minutes they were perfect and I was reining in API's 6th place pretty quickly, but with 10 to go the amount of water on the track meant that I was struggling to keep them warm, and had to back off to avoid a major off. Still managed to get 6th when somebody else pitted (Lazlow I think). :D

Very nice to be back in a car I can actually drive. :)

Not sure whether this series is going to be viable with just 16 cars on the grid though. ???

Ah ok, I never knew that happened. It did seem a very odd thing for someone to do so it makes sense if he could not see me. Explains why he just tried to drive straight through as as if he could not see me. Thanks for clearing that up.

No worries Gazza, it did seem really odd. I nearly quit in frustration as I was on a good lap but pleased I did not, especially as not done on purpose and just seems to be an odd GTR2 thing.

Did you pit once or twice, SBG? Don't know which button toggles the XD display between time gap to the leader and laptimes so I saw only my relation to the previous and the next car. I guess you started on a full tank and I saw you pit in the last lap - did the fuel last that long? Rain certainly extended available time with one tank.  :)

Sneaky Gazza took my 3rd position, only noticed at the start procedure, lol.  :D  JonM drove away while I was able to follow Gazza and SBG nipping at eachothers heels. The train of three of us proceeded on and on and small mistakes didn't really make a difference. Good driving, guys.  8)  I had just enough fuel to see the rain comming. Took wet tyres and was worried for a time, there was not enough water and temps were getting a bit high. Spun once and it cost my win. Gazza went by and I couldn't close the gap 'till the end.  :-\  I guess Jon had a pure dry setup, couldn't drive very well in the wet and SBG finaly pitted ::)  which placed me 2nd. Grats Gazza and JonM.

UKGTR version of this track is very unforgiving, cutting wise. While it's ok in the dry, the cars drift a bit more in the wet and some drivers got cutting penalty when it really wasn't necessary. Could the track be fixed against cutting (n00b here) by rising curbs a bit?  :)

TT  

We can't physically modify the track easily, only the cut detection (by changing the AI line).

Two stops, I would have started last lap with 1.6L and it needed 2 to make it ;D I'm sure the 811 use to do 80 mins on one tank but it'll clearly only do that in the wet now. Clearly filling it right up at start was a bit of a boob and I blame Tudor  ;)

Might be worth considering Dave for the next race at Spa...the standard of driving and ethics is very high at SROU, so there for the only winners will be drivers who get it it wrong through Eau Rouge but manage to save themselves by going wide..loosing time in the process but not getting a unwarranted stop/go

Was surprisingly fun that!

Started behind API and was following him closely hoping for some sort of chance and with Lazlow dropping back it was going to to be fun. Sadly a mistake by me dropped me back a bit out of the action as the softs were going off badly so decided to pit early for mediums but once again got caught out by pitlane speeding even though i'd engaged it well before the lights. And to make matters worse i'd ended up with softs on again ::) It had just started raining but hoped the softs would cope once up to temp in a few laps. Came back round to take the stop-n-go and engaged it almost as i'd gone past the start of the armco. Stupidly i then spend about a minute trying to get the engine started as i must have switched it off automatically as i'd stopped.

Once the softs had dropped of dramatically in the wet and the car was a nightmare and being pretty much last i pitted for soft wets and then found i was lightning fast unlapping myself from Dave and API and H@L was dropping a bit but ended up 90secs ahead.

I think its called..Slow in...fast out..Dave :P ;D  ...Eau Rouge was my achilles here :'(

More like slow in, slow through and slow out and then Porsche Powah down the straights!

Is the Lemans race a go-er?  Don't make me watch Last of the Summer Wine please :)

Carp, I haven't posted the announcement yet have I. Muppet.