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Division 1 - Round 7 - Jarama

Round 7 of the Season 17 Div 1 championship is at Jarama.  
This is  the first time Division 1 have been to this circuit, to the best of my knowledge.  
It's a bit like Monaco without the buildings, with very tight corners and some blind crests.
 

Don't forget, incident reports should be entered on the SRou system following the link at the bottom of the results table when it appears.  Race details below.

Div 1 Season 17 Round 7 is this Sunday at 9:00 p.m. London UK time.
Please be in VROC  UKGPL chatroom by 8:55 p.m.
VROC and Race passwords: see above

Server 6.ukgpl
IP address ..... 80.5.200.198

Race date = 07-06-2009
Track = Jarama
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = PRO
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = 50 minutes (33 laps)

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=73&theme=6).

Don't forget, incident reports should be entered on the SRou system following the link at the bottom of the results table when it appears.  

Pit Stop Times

	Single Stop Time		Double Stop Time
BRM	No Stop		N/A
Honda	Stop and Go		N/A
Cooper	5		N/A
Brabham	6		N/A
Ferrari	13		N/A
Eagle	15		N/A
Lotus	17		N/A

 First Pit Window is: 26 (to go on your pit board) to 17 (to go on your pit board)
 Second Pit Window is: 24 (to go on your pit board) to 9 (to go on your pit board)

When this circuit was first released for GPL, I did a few laps to familiarize myself with it.  Bloody hopeless!  :(  But, I've since tried it with some other sims and think I've found my sea legs with it.  For sure, tho, I'm going to lay on some pre-race trials to get a decent handle on it.  I highly recommend all other runners do likewise.

I've only driven this once in oAo but I have good memories as it decided the championship in my favor.  ;D

Tricky track, but it has a nice rhythm even if it's kinda slugish, so patience is required. That and precision on entry to corners, especially T1 and last turn.

If it's anything like Zandvoort, I should be in good shape! :)

I'd go on and say it's like a crippled, flattened Zandy.

Well,   its like Zandvoort if you think a lot of sand or dusty stuff about would make it the same.  ::)

But, I would doubt that a Zandy setup would do the business here as the bends are much tighter and don't flow ( IMHO) like the fast back section through the Dutch dunes.

Hristo's advice is prolly spot on, in that most of the bends need to be treated with a great deal of respect, or else they will bite back!!! :-\

You're right, a Zandy setup won't work because most of Jarama corners are much less banked so the tyres get loaded differently. I can't really recall what would a good setup be for this one, but I suspect having a responsive front would help a lot. So probably a softer front than usual. And stable rear on exits so you can put the power down early. Tricky combination to achieve.  ::)

That's a VW Polo then  :D


 

So, on the basis that the suspension and handling of a VW Polo is ideal, how do I set up my Honda to drive like a Polo???  ::)

Answers please on 27 sheets of A4 with diagrams and calculations of dynamic loading.  :-\

Looks like the Glutbucket pit crew will be burning some midnight oil and we may even need to use Mabel's suspenders, instead of springs, on the front end to soften the ride. ;D :o

I like the idea of mabels sussies , will they be used in bump or re -bound  :D

Wish I had the answer, Clive, but as you know I rarely practice. If I do before tomorrow I'll upload some of the setup work and link you.

What have I said about being cocky?

Unlikely I'll make this, as I have friends round and probably will still be recovering. Still a good way to ease the muscles though.

Is there a way to lighten the tack asphalt , mines as black as a stick of spanish  , cant see a thing in front and its almost impossible to see any other cars on track .

The Papy original of Kyalami was dark , ( even that wasn't this bad )  some bright spark did an asphalt mip which lightend the black stuff , is there such a thing for Jarama :-\

Am I the only one with this problem , the track does seem sort of  Nintendo -ish,  very poor grafix  :-[

 

It should look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeS7j8fG-go (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeS7j8fG-go)

The lighter asphalt update seems to have disappeared with RSC, I could upload mine somewhere if no-one else has it.

It seems that Bernie and me have the same problem. My tarmac is also very dark, :-\ certainly not as grey as that clip shows.

Might be nice if there is a simple update for that.

We can't have Bernie missing out at Jarama, none of his fans would show up...

I've uploaded the lighter asphalt.zip to SRMZ here: http://gplmz.bcsims.com/index.php?showtopic=1364&pid=32932&mode=threaded&start=#entry32932 (http://gplmz.bcsims.com/index.php?showtopic=1364&pid=32932&mode=threaded&start=#entry32932) Just wodge it in, that's simple, should work....

You have a weird understanding of the meaning of cocky. :) I was merely stating a fact, wasn't I... it's your perception that bends things apparently.  ::)

Gracias  ;)

Fact it may be, still cocky though. ;)

Won't be doing this one, going to a friends to help her through a tough time. Poor girl's in a wheelchair 'cos her hip keeps popping out. She needs surgery but the docs won't refer her. :(

I'm not cocky though, even if I give that impression. :)

Sorry to hear about your friend, good luck with her surgery, keep pressing on the doctors. I been dealing with them all my life and you have to keep bugging sometimes, or just look elsewhere.

For the others - I found some track updates that make the track look real nice and easy on the eyes, I uploaded them at my blog:

http://racingleague.co.cc/GPL-stuff/jarama-track-updates/Jarama_bs.zip - this updates the distance signs I think.

http://racingleague.co.cc/GPL-stuff/jarama-track-updates/tarmac_patch_Jarama.rar - this updates tarmac, concrete and other textures.

Wazas, check your pms for more. ;)

Good luck all in the race,

-=Hristo=-

Please note the race will be hosted on ukgpl.6, still on VROC

Those links don't seem to take me where they should Hristo?!

You are right, it's because of the files having space, doh. Just click them from here:

http://racingleague.co.cc/GPL-stuff/jarama-track-updates/

Lol, that was the most stupid mistake one could do. I mistook a corner for another one and braked too late. Ended up in the wall, ripping off my FL wheel.  ::)

Disaster at jarama

phone call followed by black screen followed by dark thud followed by race over , upto then I was sitting pretty in P6  :D

not sorry to get away from sprogland  ::)

Wazas were looking good on the grid and I got a fair start tried to keep wide in T1 but someone tapped my rear wheel and I ended up on the grass...last place  :-\

set off after the pack and was fortunate that several cars threw themselves into grass cutting mode and let me pass.
Until I caught James and his BRM in 3rd place. Although I was quicker, this circuit offers only one good overtaking spot at T1 and I had to get the right entry onto the straight to attempt a clean pass. A couple of times I could have tried but backed off. James was always late on the brakes and just about holding it through T1 and T2 .

After several laps of cat and mouse, trying different lines around corners to try and open a passing opportunity,  I had to dive onto the grass to avoid rear ending James when he braked a little earlier than usual and I dropped some 7 secs behind, I caught him again over the next three laps and this time he made a small mistake on the last corner which was the chance I needed and I was through.

Woohoo!! 3rd spot, now all I had to do was put the hammer down and build a big enough gap for my SnG which judging by my lap times I felt I could do.

Then just as I was getting all confident, I caught Bernie's disease and the screen froze!!!  :cursing:  race over!!!

Will post a more complete report later, but that was the most fun I've ever had playing GPL, thanks to EvilClive. We had a great battle and it was fair too  :), I saw you disappear and was gutted for you. I knew you had to do a SNG and it would've been fun to see who came out on top.

So much tyre smoke came off my front tyres as I battled to stop you getting by. That was great! although you were sooooo much faster than me!

I'm knackered after that race, it took such concerntration... I made a couple of minor errors and got a terrible start. But didn't spin once!

See you all at the next one... ;)

Ryeman

That race was bloody hard work! My race involved a race long battle with Tim, 4 spins and a bit of a missed opportunity. Think I qualified 5th, made an okay start and was up to 3rd by the second corner following H and Tim. A few laps later I saw H next to the armco with a wheel missing and so me and Tim battled for the lead, which seemed to last forever.

I had the superior pace to start with, but decided to spin off on the lap I overtook Tim, and began to chase him again, then spun again  ;D. When Tim took his stop n go, I resumed the lead again. Either I slowed down, or Tim strapped a rocket to his Honda while pitting as he was crawling all over the back of me, however, with Jarama being Jarama, he was unable to pass me. After a short while a Ferrari spun in front of me, I slowed and Tim took advantage (the wily sod!  ;D) and we were side by side for the rest of the lap. I think Tim overtook me but to honest I can't remember, the race really was that hectic!

What I do remember is that I spun with 7 laps to go in the lead, and Tim passed me. Not wanting to lose the race, I put the hammer down and was right up Tim's gearbox again with 2 laps to go. On the last lap, going up the hill, Tim missed a gear and took and unusual line through the right hander. It was enough for me to lose concentration and lose the back end, handing the win to Tim  :'(. Shame my inconsistency has cost me again.

With a few races left, I doubt i'll be able to beat Tim to the title unless he stops being so bloody consistent!  :) At least Reed had a good race, closing the gap down to the Wazas, though Loot was not at all pleased at my inconsistency and nabbed my champagne on the the podium. Well, it's not over till it's over  :angel:.

As promised...a more complete rundown of the race (for those who are interested  ;) )

Qualifying went badly for me and I couldn't match my personal best of 1:30.5 and was more than half a second away from that time. Starting in P6, I proceeded to wheelspin off the line and the car jerked violently to the right. Fortunately, I didn't collect anyone. Thinking that I had blown the start, I headed cautiously into T1, where there was some sort of accident. Someone was flying through the air (in typical GPL crash physics display) and I was lucky to avoid a crash.

I passed a Ferrari on the outside of the tight left-hander to occupy 3rd place. Said Ferrari kept up with me for a lap or two and then I saw him spear to one side coming onto the main straight. The pressure seemed to be off and I was maintaining the gap to P2. Out of nowhere the Honda of EvilClive closed incredibly quickly and I was soon under attack for P3.

I was reluctant to let him by (I wanted a podium  ;D ) even though I was compromising my lines a bit and therefore running slower laptimes. Every lap the Honda tried to pass down the main straight, but somehow the BRM held him off. This was a great battle that I enjoyed a lot  :) it shows how hard it is to pass here, I think that you could overtake someone under the tunnel, but the Honda was slower than me here. The Honda suddenly disappeared and I thought he must have had an accident, watching the replay it seems that I inadvertently brake tested him as I was sticking rigidly to the inside of the turns and was therefore braking a bit earlier....sorry about that.

Still, EvilClive fought back extremely quickly and I went a bit wide on the corner to the main straight and he got the move done. I tried to tuck in behind for a re-pass, but the Honda was away. I actually set my best lap of the race trying to keep up with the Honda driver who sadly suffered a DISCO. This was a shame because I was looking forward to seeing if I could re-take the position as he had to do a SNG.

Realisation dawned that if I wanted more than P3 then I would have to pull my finger out and I tried to lap a bit faster. This was a mistake and I almost slid into the wall at T1 and then again at T2. So I settled into lapping at a comfortable pace and the last 2 laps were like slowdown laps (1:36's) as I really wanted to see the chequered flag. Also I had filled up for 39 laps but the car started to run out of fuel as I crossed the finish line.

It was a knackering race and I was very happy to see the finish line. I could not get the full lap time potential out of the car, which was a bit frustrating as I had been quicker in the Clubmans race. Still, this was my favourite race so far thanks to the Honda duel and I was very proud not to have a spin. I must say that the Hondas whilst quick look to be a right handful and at times I think that Evil Clive would have been able to pass me if the car was not so quick to oversteer.

Essay complete....

James

Following James' example, a bit more on my (short) race:

Qualifying went as expected, although I didn't expect to put such gap back to 2nd, but a PB (by far) did that as a result. Guess you are allowed to have such laps sometimes, laps that you don't repeat.

I had to win to keep my championship hopes alive and rely on Tim having a misfortune. He started 2nd though and nearly passed me going into T1, but I managed to hold him off by keeping the inside.

I really liked the feeling of the car, the setup seemed to have been working great, but I was cautious not to stress the engine too early, so that meant Tim managed to keep up and not fall back in the early laps.

I had left some Pribluda bars running from qualifying and wanted to turn them off, so I chose to do that going up the hill, just after the fast left there. Hit F5 to turn the sector times, then because of serious lack of concentration I was under the impression that it was the end of the lap, approaching the slow right that follows the uphil left hand hairpin.

You know the sections are similar, except in speed and distance, lol. So instead of braking at around 75 meter mark to make the actual righthander I started braking at the 50 mark which is normally where I brake of that other corner.

That woke me up as I saw the road drift away or rather, my car, and the wall approaching too quickly. It felt like it was happening in slow motion but I couldn't slow down fast enough to avoid collision. The contact ripped off the front left wheel and that was it, championship chances gone!  ::)

From now on I got to help Waza in the team title run. Grats to Tim on another step taken towards his well deserved D1 championship.

-=Hristo=-

Well that didn't last long!
I only just got a look at Jarama at about 8.45pm last night. It was actually lurking in my track folder but I can't ever remember driving it, maybe just a few laps to take a look when I first installed. Anyway I did a few laps to get some idea of the corners and then spent qually just gradually building up speed. Third on the grid was as much as i had expected but I had a headache coming on so I wasn't really up for the race tbh. Anyway it didn't last very long anyway. I got away from the start not too bad but I did think the car felt sluggish. Then when I started to brake and turn for T1 it felt very weird. I just managed to get round but I think I caused quite a bit of disruption as I almost came to a standstill. I knew something was sadly wrong so I pulled up. When I checked the game had reverted me to default setup, full tanks and 18:1 steering ratio!!!! That's very strange because I definitely adjusted the fast01 setup I was using for race fuel towards the end of qually and it was definitely selected for the race too. In fact the game had gone back to default in both the race and practice slots. Anybody ever had that before?

Oh, forgot to mention, I still can't get those files Hristo. I can see your ftp index and I can navigate to the files but when I finally click on them it takes me to a Byet Internet page.

At last I find I am not alone!! Ken you have made an old man very happy!! ...............      "setup reverts to default "

I have had that happen a couple of times and was absolutely sure that I had selected the proper file, only to find that I was driving some sort of alien milkfloat with flat tyres in the race??!!!

I have no idea how or why it happens but at least I know I am not going completely off my trolley!!! ;D ;D ;D

Try these, not sure why it's not working for you:

http://uploading.com/files/2ZSTUPFA/tarmac_patch_Jarama.rar.html

http://uploading.com/files/F6CX4D69/Jarama_bs.zip.html

Thanks Hristo

Step too far there Evil.

Reading through the evidence here; it just means that there are two of you!  :yes:

My early fears of having a dreadful event at this venue proved unfounded.  As noted in an earlier post, my first few laps here left me lost what with the elevation changes and tight, tight corners.  Early Sunday practice proved a boon, tho, as I got to learn the circuit to a reasonable degree and cut 32's.  After a full race's distance, I wouldn't hesitate to return.   :)

Grats to Tim for a splendid victory!  Great run, bud.

Hats off to Sam for a terrific run to P2 in the BRM!  I saw some of the last laps of the replay and it was really going to be a coin toss as to whom was going to emerge the winner.  Bad luck on that late off, SB.

And another BRM fills the podium with James scoring an admirable P3.  Good show.

Off the start, I got away quite well to bounce James for position on the run down to T1.  There, I saw some contact between a Cooper and a Honda with the RA300 spinnng off.  I didn't immediately know whom this was in the Honda...figuring either Hristo or Tim...and was surprised later to learn it was Clive aboard the Red Ball Special rather than in his more typical BT24.  Ken was aboard the Cooper involved and did not accelerate away obliging me to hold position and speed directly behind.  Unfortunately, Phil didn't realize that my pace was greatly compromised and knerfed me but good in the tail, sending me into a dizzying series of aerial loops.  My!  The P115 finally landed and glory be!, all four corners were still attached so I resumed.  Being such a tough and heavy old nail, it seemed to not faze the BRM in the least!   :laugh:  I see that an inquiry into the shunt has been nominated.  I attach no blame whatsoever to Phil for drilling me; at the end of a tail of cars, it would be easy to realize that both Ken and I had not picked up the pace following the initial contact.

The Honda pushed off at T1 was quickly filling my mirrors and I made efforts to swing wide in the double right and let it by but no, that didn't happen so I lead down to the tight, left-hand hairpin.  I kept wide to the right on exit there and the RA300 sang by cleanly.  I closed up on Jack over the next couple of laps and sized up my chances for a pass.  During this study period, we came across Phil's Ferrari looped off early in a lap.  Jack went a touch wide in the tight right-hander preceeding the hill and I was able to get up alongside on acceleration as we started the rise and I was able to secure P8.

Only moments later, this became P7 when Hristo lost his bearings and fell off the road to drill a barrier and lose a corner.  How pathetic!  Cruel seems a gross understatement.  Don't feel too bad about losing your way, H.  I, too, managed the same thing a little later on in the race but thanks to my pace being somewhat more "prudent"...is that a good euphemism for "slow"?;  ;D..., I managed to hang on and save the car.  Hristo has to take some consolation in that in only completing a mere two laps competition, he managed FTD for the meet.  Remarkable!

For the balance of the race, I just plugged along keeping an eye on the gap back to Jack and hoping to keep it on the island.  Had a minor off on acceleration coming off the right-hand hairpin then later having a half-spin approaching it.  Devilsih little section that.

That gap back to Jack was important in that as long as he was showing as being xx seconds behind me, I knew that the leaders had yet to lap him.  With a half-dozen laps or so to go, I got the flash from my pitguy that showed Jack being -1 lap.  Uh-oh.  I knew it would be close so kept up pace in hopes of staying on the lead lap.  Although I never saw anyone in my mirrors, over the last couple of laps, I could pick up the sound of a Honda engine gaining.  Made it by just a couple of seconds!  :)

Our next D1 event is at Mosport and I'll be there.  In the flesh.  It's the annual VARAC vintage car weekend and I'll be heading down there on Saturday and staying over til late Sunday afternoon.  Looks like I'll be passing on our race, gys.  Sry.  Best of Luck to You All!  :)

there are two of me????!!!!    now I'm schizophrenic as well as paranoid..haha..hahahahaha  ..hehehehee.......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH   heeheeheehehhhheee       I'm a teapot  woohoo!!!  every day in every way i'm getting better and better  :jumpjoy: :shifty:

It's just occured to me that I didn't post anything after this race! I think that's to do with it being so hectic I have no idea where to start  ;D
Sam's covered most of my race for me so I'll pass on all that.
However, I feel certain Sam was the faster driver in terms of lap times - only his mistakes undid that  :)
Also wth regard to the above qoute, I found that Jarama favours the Hound rather than the rabbit.
It's much much easier to push hard while chasing than to do the same with someone crawling all over you, My laps were generally faster when behind you. I suspect the same applied to yours  8)
Also we managed to actually touch wheels at one point while side-by-side, amazed that didn't end it for one/both of us  :o

Absolutely top notch battle there Sam :fencing:, You deserved that win so I'm damn proud to have managed to steal it from you at the last minute!  ;D :angel: