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UKGPL Season 17 - Amateurs Trophy - Race 8 - Mosport

Round Eiight takes us to Mosport, Ontario in Canada for a nice relaxing drive through the hills. We have Sir Stirling Moss to thank for the tricky Moss section of the track following his win in 1961, but apart from this, unlike many historic motorsport venues, Mosport's track layout has remained mostly unchanged from its original form.

As we approach the end of the season the Amateurs title could still potentially go to any one of 5 or 6 drivers, though some of them would need at least a podium finish here. We hope to see more of the same classy racing we saw at Rouen last time out but perhaps Mosport won't lend itself to that kind of excitement. We shall see.

Drivers should be especially careful on lap 1 as usual but be aware that it could be half a lap into the race before the field becomes compressed at Moss where accidents will stay on track thanks to the Armco on the outside.

Reserve drivers should not join until there are only 30 mins of qualifying left.  However, all drivers should not go on track until there is 30 minutes of qualifying left.  This helps all drivers join the server successfully.  Please restrict chat to pit messages.

Please use the updated 65 mod for this race.

The 65 mod V2 update is being used by UKGPL and the updated layout features are very welcome, with the ability to record best lap times at addon tracks and to have 65 specific tracks. The new collision boxes are also a great improvement.  Though the new slipstream code will need extensive testing, the preliminary race seemed to show that it would be a definite improvement in racing terms, without the controversy over its extent, as with the 66 mod.

Thanks to all involved with producing the update.  If the new slipsteam code works as well as it seems it might, perhaps it could help persuade the authors of the 66 mod to rework their code as well!

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:55 p.m. UK 19:55 GMT
(You will need to set up a channel called #ukgpl if you haven't already done so)
IGOR and race passwords: see above (#post_event_password)

Server ukgpl6
IP address  TBC

Race date = 9-06-2009
Time = 21:00 (UK time) 20:00 (GMT)
Track = Mosport Park
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = PRO
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = 50% Grand Prix (45 laps)

Make sure that you have enough race fuel to complete the distance!

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=208&theme=6)

CHASSIS ALLOCATION

FERRARI Phil Thornton, Will Tway (reserve), Burtoner*, Asbjeurn*
LOTUS  StormCloud, Dave Randall, Bartosz, Bernie*, Steve Bird*, Geoff65*
BRM  NatanVix, Samb, Ginsters, Steve Bucket*, Ian*
BT11  CliveLoynes, John Roberts, Ken, Jethro, Fulvio
HONDA  EvilClive, Tim, Iestyn (reserve)
COOPER Mike Beattie, Lorenzo, if he joins, otherwise any visiting speed merchant
BT7 Hristo

*drivers also assigned a Novices chassis

65 Mod

These were the 65 drivers
BT7 Bonnier, Baghetti, Hulme (Bonnier drove for Walker)
BT11 Brabham Gurney Gardner Anderson Siffert (Siffert drove for Walker, Gardner and Anderson were privateers)
Lotus Clark Spence Rodriguez Mitter Russo Solana (and Maggs Hailwood Attwood Amon and Ireland for Parnell)
Ferrari Surtees Bandini Rodriguez Vaccarella Bondurant Scarfiotti
Honda Ginther Bucknum
Cooper McLaren Rindt
BRM Hill Stewart

The 1965 season was the last to use the controversial 1500cc formula which had begun after 1960, to the initial advantage of Ferrari.  The 1965 cars are smaller than the 1967 cars and have less torque and hence more grip.  It was claimed that they 'cornered on rails', however this allowed the Grand Prix series to retain the use of circuits which were otherwise to prove extremely dangerous.

The 1965 cars are ideal for those new to GPL as they allow the tracks to be learnt in light reliable cars, however these are also full Formula One cars, and quite fast....  There was no Canadian Grand Prix in 1965.

David Wright's 'Legends' site http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/ (http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/) has the download of the 2.0.1 version (under 'details') as well as being an exceptional guide to both 1965 and 1967, for those interested in Formula One history.  The 2.02 update is available here: http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/1965mod_PATCH_v2.0.2_Setup.zip (http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/1965mod_PATCH_v2.0.2_Setup.zip)[/quote]

Those 65 records are SO gonna go this race. ::)

If you get past T1  :P

 ;)

Err, I'm a tad confused.

Looking at the Amateurs Trophy for Race 7 Hristo was leading and I was 7th.

Looking at the Championship page for this race I'm not even on the list, never mind the chassis allocation

Am I being thicker than usual?

Looks like the Novices allocation and table to me

True, lol.

Skilfully repaired by Jack O I see.

Your optimism is staggering! Beer's on me, I need to clear the fridge out before Thursday. Anywhere near Nottingham? :)

  :laugh:

Sadly no.

No, But if you are very unlucky I might be  :devil: :scared: :eek:

You are unfortunately out of luck, I've cleaned it out myself! ;D

and the fridge?

 ;)

I'll see you buried in the Moss hairpin barriers. ;)

Aptly enough from the above post I found myself in the Moss barriers after being clipped by Jethro having straightened my car up on the downhill in L1  :-\

Shame as Qually went ok given I had 10 minutes to set the car up in  :(

Another very eventful outing aided by several spins and mistakes on my part. I finished at least, but I had the pace to be on the podium today but I finished a lap down in 5th/6th? Can't remember  ;D. I spent quali reacquainting myself with the 65 BRM and landed somewhere near the rear of the grid. Made an okay start, passed a couple cars but caused Geoff a bit of grief when I missed his slowing Lotus by an inch, but warp reared its ugly head and spun him round anyway. Sorry about that. The rest of the lap was eventful, missing Tim's tripod on the run down to Moss and battling with Bartosz and Jethro, till he pitted.

I found myself battling with John for a short while, till I lost the back end. Then caught up with Bartosz, and had a great battle with him, and with Fulvio nipping at my heels. The car then decided to swap ends suddenly under braking for the Moss corners. It caught me out by surprise and Fulvio just missed me, but Jethro wasn't so lucky and clipped my parked car. He fell for my ambush but I was unable to take advantage and rejoined behind him  :).

The rest of the race was just me driving my own race. From time to time I got bored of the black stuff and decided to investigate the scenery on occasion. I almost managed to flip myself over the Moss kerbs! Certainly gave a bit of a fright. Eventually, the chequered flag was up and I finished not at all pleased with my performance. Look forward to making amends at Silverstone.

I must apologise for that as I'd put my car to the left but saw you cutting across. I eased off and didn't seem to hit you but I think it was a lag tap. Avoiding you was fun though!!!

Did alright in practice, 3rd on the grid. Took to the starting blocks, and jumped the gun. Hit the brakes but it triggered the black flag. Not happy as I'd failed to re-take Neutral and just pulled the clutch in as well, which bogged me down. Lost 2 places I think.

After taking the penalty, I ended up plum last of the runners, so just hoped people fell off and went for it. Wasn't as fast as Hristo, but still managed to overtake people. Phil left a gap early on which I went for at Moss 2 and he didn't expect it. I ended up spinning him round, my car wasn't damaged I think. Apologies to you Phil, wasn't my intention to ram you off the road if it seemed that way.

To finish 3rd was astonishing. Will not be jumping the start next time. ;)

Well I completely missed the start waiting for the crew refuelling my car for a longer distance, I started from pit with the fuel pump still attached  ;D
Cause the pit positioned after the start/finish line I was a lap down all and I had to work hard my way through half field. In the end I was 6th on the table and 4th on the track after have given position to Jethro with a spin at T2 with a couple of lap to go.
Really I was annoyed by blue flags and I was thinking "Now I'll let him by at the next straight"...said and done  :D

Ciao

Win was the only option for me, so I went all out in this one. Evil was very close in qualifying and I must be thankful to have a teammate next on the start as it held off the charge of others behind.

He kept up with me after the start and was probably going to attack soon as he had the advantage on the straight, but for some reason he dropped back and then retired. Bad luck, Evil.

I kept pushing all the way, never easing off, except on the last lap when I noticed Fulvio was fighting with Pod just when I was catching them.

With JR finishing 2nd it's going to go right down to the wire. I have some hope of making the podium at Silverstone, but absolutely no chance at Monza. With 2 worst results dropped it's going to be very close and interesting from here on.

Grats to all finishers,

-=Hristo=-

I was more than cheesed off with a retirement, especially when I set that 2nd grid slot qually on full race fuel with raised suspension!!! Almost 0.5 sec faster than my best lightweight qually setup....figure that one out??!! ???
The Glutbucket pit crew have some questions to answer!!!!

I was comfortable behind Hristo off the grid, as I know from experience he would be flying and would hopefully pull me clear of the pack. So, rather than challenge and slow the pair of us I gave him a safe 1 second  gap and let him run.

It was all working rather well and it appears there was some incident that dropped the chasing group by a few seconds which was just about perfect.

Then I started having some frame rate issues, particularly at Moss,  where the graphics would stall and suddenly catch up right before the apex of the sharp right hander.
It was during one of these incidents that I suddenly found myself wide and on the grass. fortunately the gap back to 3rd was large enough by now to allow me a safe rejoin, but Hristo was now a speck on the horizon.

There was still a long way to go and I knew H would take this chance to build the gap, so I concentrated on putting in some quick laps to try and hold the gap to manageable levels.
A couple more frame rate moments caused a couple of dodgy downshifts and I think that is what contributed to my demise where the revs exceeded the 12500 safe rev limit.  Crossing the S/F  I suddenly went deaf...everything went quiet and at first I thought that I had lost sound along with the frame rate issues, but no, Nippon engineering had a rare failure ::).
I will have to study replay to see if the broken camshaft was down to poor engine management or sloppy pit work by the Glutbuckets!!

Glad that H took the win for HER, but dissappointed to end the race like that just as I was getting into my stride and with potential 1:25 laps available on race fuel and a good second place beckoning.

Grats to the podium and all finishers.

I wasn't happy with my qual time, but it was a long race ;)

I had a good start, and going into T1 I was 7, going into Moss I saw Tim's flying Honda.
On 2 lap John run wide into T2 and I was in front of him, on that same lap Jethro had problems in Moss, but I was to far away to pass him without risking contack. Unfortunately he had to go to pitlane and slowed down so much going into T9 that I almost hit him. To avoid contact i run wide into grass, and lost 2 places.

For the next few laps I had John and Sam fighting in front of me, luckily I was able to stay with them because on lap 8 Sam made mistake in T1 and I was in front of him. Afther that I was trying to push as hard as I can, to stay with John and keep Sam away from me, unfortunately they were to fast for me.
John was running away and Sam was closing to me, lucky he made few mistakes and I could keep him behind. On one moment Sam was so close that he was trying to attack me at the end of back straight, luckily I was braking later into T8.
On lap 25 Sam spun going into Moss, and I started to fight with Fulvio, but later I realised that he was lap down, so I let him pass me on lap 27.
When Fulvio passed me I realised that Jethro in very close and fast. I was trying to stay on my third position, but Jethro was to fast for me, and he passed be in T2. Afther that my plan was to stay alive, and not let Hristo to lap me.


Fulvio was lap down to me, but still you act like real gentlemen driver(not cocky  ;) ). Thanks for that.

I'm very happy with my result. I keep my head cool, and didn't made any stupid mistakes. Cya in Silverstone 8)

Submit your reports please gentlemen.

Or do you not have any for the 3rd race in a row?

Don't tempt me to be a gentleman and report myself for L1 Moss. ;)

You're right there, how you got the power down so quick is beyond me.  This is one corner I can never get right, I seem to loose seconds here  :(

No harm done, I did leave the door open (unintentionally).  It did cost me time though.  I was trying to get on terms with Steve Bird and Mr Bucket but I had to push hard and consequently made too many mistakes.

It's a tricky one indeed. You need to break early and at the same time throw the car into the corner and let the rear slide around, then apply throttle before it slides too much, but not too early as to go off. If you don't slide it around you have to slow a lot more to make the corner.

The problem is doing it repeatedly each lap and that's not something I can do, so one is limited to their own safe guts feeling. No point risking too much, spinning or going off, and losing more time than if you take it slower.

I think a lot of the freedom in how you can take it depends on the way you take the first part of Moss, up the hill. A good line there helps a lot.

Last chance for reports.

Do I loose a lap then? What is the general rule when someone loose a lap missing the start cause the place of the pitstall? Just asking so I can rule myself on track in case it happens again.

Ciao

I think Phil should look into this and fix your result. It's not your fault that GPL does the error of putting people a lap down when the pit stall is positioned after the s/f line (which I think is the reason). If I remember correctly others had the same problem and their positions were reinstated manually, either here or in oAo league.

Any driver who looses a lap because they were dropped from the server will have their position reinstated.  Establishing the true finishing position can only be done by reviewing the race replay.  Then there is a bit of maths and database editing to do to sort out the true finishing order.  This does take a bit of time but I'm sure it will be sorted before the mod report is published and the results are made official.

I've just realised I should have submitted my replay for the L1 T4 into Moss incident between myself and FMG. What should I do?

Pray while flagelating yourself for your immense error of judgement.

Praying and flagelating SIR! ;D

Should've done so long ago!  ::)