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All members welcome, to help us kick off UKPnG Season One!!!

Practice 1:	20:10	(10 mins)
Qual 1:	20:20	(15 mins)
Race:	20:35	(25 laps (=~40 mins))	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: Corvette L88 Coupe, GT40 MK1, GT40 MK2, Cobra 427, Porsche 906 (all versions except 906-8), Porsche 914, Porsche 911 IROC, Shelby Cobra 289 Coupe, Shelby Daytona Coupe, Shelby Cobra 289 Roadster, Corvette L88 Roadster, Lotus Elan, F275 Speciales,

Weather: Dry
Track: Laguna Seca (download from  here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#msg54521))
Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Minimum Pit-stops: None.


Server: [PnG2.1] UKPnG S1 Laguna
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Power and Glory v2 from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/), 2.1 patch from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/) and enable terrain patch.
(4) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=214)
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of every-one's connection will be reduced.
(6) Remember that P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function, but our gentleman's agreement is that everyone will stick to a speed limit for the pit-lane of 40mph/60kph.

IMPORTANT
UKPnG Season One will continue to use our 'clubmans' approach, the idea that if everyone is doing about the same laptimes, it should encourage more close racing.

The cars chosen can be divided into 4 chassis groups:

A
Porsche 906-6, Porsche 906-6 Langheck, Porsche 906-E, GT40 Mk1

B
Porsche 911 IROC, Shelby Cobra 427, GT40 Mk11, Porsche 914

C
Shelby Cobra 289 Coupe, Shelby Daytona Coupe, Corvette L88 Coupe, F275 Speciales

D
Corvette L88 Roadster, Lotus Elan, Cobra 289 Roadster


Our "regulars" can be, very roughly divided into Four groups. (If you're quicker then 1:40-1:41  in a car available to you, you might want to try another car from your group, or promote yourself :lol: & let me know)

GROUP 1 can only choose from slowest chassis group D
Dan Minton, Madd, Paul 968, Ginsters, PR, Steve Holmes, Jos Verstappen, TrueTom.

GROUP 2  can choose between chassis C and D.
Ade, Oily, [Poodle]Keith, FMG, Watty, Manteos, phspok, Jose Arrogantio, MJ, Mike Cook, Lazlow.

GROUP 3 can choose between chassis B, C and D.
Blunder, DaveShep, Legzy, Tim Robey, Spanner, Tinman, SamB, Geoffers, Ross, Phil Gilliland, Tibernius, Picnic, 57Goldtop.

GROUP 4 can choose between chassis A, B, C and D.
PaulWBird, Alex vV, Wiltshire Tony, LigelC, Sandor Mooijekind, Lorenzo Galluzzi, Bill Thomas, Oilseal, Jimmer.

Hope you all enjoy.

Umm.. hardly a UKGTR race is it? ;)

May i suggest a new PnG subforum?

If UKPnG Season One is a success, we'll get our very own  ;D
UKGTR race forum till then, it's a GTR2 mod & we've taken over a GTR2 night & we look forward to welcoming some more GTR2 drivers ;)

aww crapola....fantastic track, great car selection and awesome mod. But i am away at the Le Mans race until monday and i really dont think the missus will appreciate me coming home from a 4 day motor racing jolly and then racing on tues night !  :-X  :laugh:

Plus i will not have had any practise  :(  If i can, i''ll be there, but shouldnt really to be fair.
Have a corker anyway.  :)

I Post here some mine laptimes:

Ferrari 275 Speciale: 1.40.8xx (Special thx to Ade setup :))

Cobra 289 Roadster:  1.43.1

I'll try some other cars and let you know my times :)

Cu soon

I'm actually finding that the F275 Speciales is a fair bit quicker then I anticipated (it seems others are also confirming my suspicions), apologies for the late change (it's now moved to the Chassis group C) but hopefully a week will still give people long enough to grasp another car.

Hi all!
My name is Gavino and I'm a Manteos's friend.
I love the power and glory mod, and I hope to enjoy with you in yours events!
See you very soon
bye

Hi Gavino & welcome to UKPnG  ;D.
Laguna is our first race of our first P&G season, so a good time to join us. Hopefully you've seen that we're doing Clubmans racing (everyone lapping at about the same pace) & the list of the cars available & in their Chassis groups can be found here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6412.msg110961#msg110961). If you can supply a couple of laptimes you're getting at Laguna in some of those cars, that would help put you in a drivers group to start you off with. The target lap time is 1:40-1:41, so if you're beating that, please choose a slower car.  8)

Looking forward to seeing you on track.

I Post here some mine laptimes:

Ferrari 275 speciale - 1.39.9

Shelby Cobra 289 roadster - 1.42.5

Corvette L88 roadster - 1.42.1

Lotus Elan - 1.41.2

Hi all!
My name is Maurizio and I'm a Manteos's and Gavino's friends, we are from same team.I am from Switzerland and
i love the power and glory mod, and I hope to enjoy with you in yours events!
See you very soon
bye

Hi Mauizio, welcome to you too  :D
Hopefully you've read what I wrote to Gavino & maybe you can post some Laguna laptimes times also?

As you are teammates elsewhere, the three of you might also want to consider setting up your own team here (so you compete in the team championship also)? If you do, then it can be done by one of you clicking here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/lm2/index.php?action=teams) or by clicking on the "LM2" link (on the dark blue bar at the top of your screen), then clicking on "Team management" on that screen... you will then be asked for a team name etc.

Good luck, & see you on track. :)

Thanks for the welcome given to Gavino & Maurizio Mr. Legzy! Should be a good idea to make a team, even if i don't know how many times we could run togheter! Surely we will keep busy to make most of the Champ races! Is there an obligation to take part in champ races if i subscribe a Team? If not i will go on subscribing my team, otherwise we will run as "private drivers".
I wait for an answer, thanx Legzy :)

Obviously we like to see drivers turning up as often as possible (because it leads to full grids but also driving with people you get to know improves the level of 'considerate driving' to each other), but the team championship is based on the best two finishers from each team (if only one driver attends, that's fine you just can't score as many points). You certainly don't lose anything from forming your team here & I think it adds to the fun (I know I enjoy finishing in front of the Green Prodigy team cars more  ;)).

In short Manteos... no obligation to race, sign yourselves up to your team.  ;D

Thx Legzy! I will try to accumulate some other mine Italian Teammates to make a largest team and have at least 2 drivers for any race.
Anyway i'll surely sign up my team as soon as possible after a poll between mine friends regarding their availability! Races will be only in Tuesday?

Correct till December at least.

Legzy can i throw the cat amongst the pigeons  ;D
I had a little look at the lap times for the IROC and the 914 from the last race at Laguna and i managed 2 laps out off 24 in the high 1:39s Madd did a better job and got 10 laps in the 1:39s MJs fastest was 1:40.9 and SBG and PR didn't get under 1:40s in the 914............so i was thinking is the car grouping set in stone or can we jump into a higher class of car if our times aren't to fast ? I'm sure some of the faster chaps would like a wider choice of cars....
Just a thought :)

Here's a  chart that explains everything.

(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii60/oilyway/pie.jpg)

Thought I'd start a new thread about these general Clubmans issues here.....

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6446.0

M.

 :lol:

Yeh, PR to group 2 please... :)

damn I just discovered this thread, was always looking in the fun races section  :P

Come on in Jos  :) pull up a chair.

Oops...what have i started :eek: Ive go to go now.....bye ;)

Unfortunately I'll be missing this race  :'( , but I have a provisional time in the '66 Elan which is 1.40.9, the pre '66 cars have harder compound tyres which could be used for some further slowing of the faster drivers too.

Hi all guys !
Manteos just proposed me to be part of his team for your P&G champ and i'm more than happy for this opportunity.
My experiences with this fantastic mod are very limited nevertheless I love it so much !!
As far as I read in this topic I have to post my best laps in Laguna with different cars so I'd like to get some more info's
from your side on how I can access the servers, if is possible of course.

Thanks a lot in advance !

Looking forward to see all of you on track  8) 8)

Pippo.

Welcome Pippo :)
You will find the server password at the top of the page with the team speak information if you guys want to use it. https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6412.15 server name is [PnG2.1]UKPnGTracks

                                          See you on track soon
                                                  Ade

Edit.. Im on the server now if you need any help.

Hi mates!!!

I am Andrea Iozzia, alias O55oDuR0, and I belong to the Manteos' team...
FIrst of all I have to congratulate myself with you for the events that you are have organized!!!!
I will be happy to race with you with the fantastic P&G mod, so I would immediately start to download the tracks amd post some lap time here.... but first I would read some rules and topics here around.....

See you soon on the tracks m8!!!!!!     ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Anyone else having problems getting on the server  ??? just keeps booting me as a cheat, jumped on an open server with no problem.....Help

Cheers Ade, me too. I'll check it out.

Hi there & welcome to UKPnG. If you're not sure of anything from what you've read so far... feel free to ask here. See you on track!  8)

Same troubles for me & Gavino!

It's now up & running again. Tested & connected fine.

EDIT - Seems to work fine till a third or more people join the server. Will get back to you.

Having gone back to check the previous P&G visit to Laguna, the expected people were achieving the times I've set as the "target time zone" for the cars you mentioned. (which I'm very pleased about as it kind of hints that my calculations are working  8) ;D)

I've been posting a target time, so that people don't turn up at the race & blitz everyone by going too fast... it's not a "you must achieve this time" by any stretch of the imagination. As the groupings are getting more & more sorted with each race that passes, I can stop posting a target time if people want? It's probably served it's purpose now really. Of course, I can continue to post a target time zone if that's what people want  :-\. I'm easy either way  ;).




Firstly, none of this is aimed at Ade (He's asked a good question), it's info for everyone.

Long Answer:
Before posting this Laguna race, I did calculations for 42 separate cars at this track three times over. I then compared all the cars, altering the 'fluid' Chassis groups that we've already been using in the test races, till I had nine groups of cars. I then compared how the groups of cars would perform against each other in terms of gaps in laptimes etc. Picked what seemed to be a solid line up in terms of offering different cars to drive for each group from previous races & in terms of the track & obviously their laptimes. That's how I got from 42 cars to the 15 we have on offer here for Tuesday. At the next P&G Clubmans race in two weeks (at Mosport 1977), I'll be going through the same process but it'll be a different 15(ish) cars for everyone to choose from.

Over the season, there will be very few cars (I'd guess 7 from 42 :-\) that the fastest drivers wont get a chance to pick, but at the end of the season, we'll see if we can't sort some races where it's back to a 'free for all' choice, while we're reviewing what happened this season & what will be on offer next season, from a historic cars viewpoint.....
For anyone, still reading this... I'm sorry, I'm bored of writing the long version :-[ :-*

Short Version:
I'll stick my neck out here & say this: If people stick to the car choices I offer them, then everyone should get to enjoy more close racing at more races then we've ever seen here before (& that's already been a very high standard under SBG).
But like Martin has mentioned in the thread he linked to, Clubmans seems to have been a popular idea, we need to give it a chance. Have some faith in us to do as good a job as we can in our first season in charge. If you feel after a handful of races that somethings not working for you, please PM me & let me know your concerns. Clubmans does add a lot more work for me (though I'm hoping it will settle down some with more experience), but I'm willing to put the effort in, if people are enjoying it.

Please don't make me impose penalties, because you took a faster car & left the other drivers for dust. We are ready to deal with it & penalties (that I'm not going to publicise as I they surely are not needed Gentlemen) will be severe, but I'm hoping the thought of driving up front, alone, with nobody to battle... while everyone else behind you is duelling lap after lap, will be deterrent enough. Personally I'd rather be in a titanic mid-position battle then in first place on my own, where I might as well be hot lapping on my own.
I'm sure we're going to see bucket-loads of that good old 'Clubmans gentleman's spirit'. I hope I'm not being naive, as without it, we have no clubmans.

Oops, seems the short version wasn't that short either! lol  :laugh:

Cheers for that Legzy :)
Just thought with your offer of promoting oneself (If you're quicker then 1:40-1:41  in a car available to you, you might want to try another car from your group, or promote yourself lol & let me know) we could also demote ourselves.
I'm with you mate  8) lets go with the flow and lets have some good close racing, I think with concentrating on one track with two weeks between races  :( i forget that different cars will have advantages and disadvantages at different tracks, Just thought your lap time target was the holy grail and we should all be spot on, (I guess that isn't going to happen for everyone all the time) like Martin said folk will find it easy and folk will find it hard to hit the lap times (and yes keep a target lap time, it helps a lot)
Only mentioned it because i was having trouble hitting the lap time in my car group (like you say it must be a bit dull out on your own in first place) ;) any ways I'm off to B&Q for five bags of sand to chuck in the boot of my F275 Speciales ;D


                                           Cheers for all the hard work
                                                      Ade

I'm getting 1:43s with the Cobra. Not too fast, guessing over the times here, so people should have fun overtaking me.  ;D

The server sorted now?

Keep posting the target times Legzy. I find it useful.

And thanks for all the hard work. I get a headache just thinking about all the variables.

And just think how proud I am that its a Team Oldie man doing the thinking.


Oilseal

also getting 43's, just need to do a good corkscrew .

Update on my times with 25 laps of juice.

Ferrari F275 Speciales..........1:41.104

Lotus Elan 26R.....................1:41.486

Corvette L88 Coupe.............1:40.778

Corvette L88 Roadster.........1:44.778

I managed a 1:40.4 last night in the GT40 mk2.
Had a brief go in the 427 Cobra, seemed a bit easier to drive, no lap time yet... hope to get a few more laps in online tonight 10pm onwards.

Hi Legzy, can I ask to be allowed the 914 Porche? I tried those horrible American cars and in the Ferrari and Elan I can only do 1:44's. Even in the 914 I have so far only managed a 1:42.5. Perhaps I could break into the 41's, but I think it's going to be difficult.

I've actually done quite a lot of practice on this track now and even though I'm starting to dial in the corners am still slow.

Can I be promoted...to a faster car that is? :)


P.S. Please do keep those guide times!

Apart from the elan I think it is unlikely anyone in the group D will get near 1.40. Best in the cobra for me is 1.42 and the L88 was even slower (and a right handful!).

The 275 speciale is maybe a bit too quick for group C IMO.

[update] 1.40.6 in the Elan.

Hi Mike,
If you've read the rest of this thread (& the one on 'Clubmans gentleman's agreement'), you'll already know the answer to that question. Pick a car you enjoy driving from the group available to you, hopefully you'll be surprised at the amount of company (& fun) you'll have during the race.

The thing about giving the guide laptimes (1:40.0 to 1:41.9 for your fastest race lap was what I indicated for this race), it puts people into a panic if they're not making that laptime regularly (or at all) & they start asking if they can use a faster car  ;). So I'm still not convinced it's a benefit to post one now people are getting closer to their correct groups. In a standard race, people tend to post their own laptimes & we all use that as a gauge to how we're doing. Would That would probably work equally well with clubmans :-\.

Looking back through this thread, it seems that only Manteos, myself & now Paul have broken past the 1:41 barrier. On that evidence maybe I should have set the target time at 1:41-43... as it sounds like that's where most peoples fastest* laps are.


Separately, I selected the GT40 mk2 this time, because nobody took a standard mk1 or mk2 at Snetterton & I thought it would be nice to see one on the grid this time. But as it's looking like I could be heading mighty close to pole position, I'm going to have a bash at some other cars tonight. I'll put my GT40 setup online for anyone else to try. :)

*= i.e. it's a PB, not a regular laptime  :)

IvAlAx & Pippomox & O55oDuR0,

I've not seen any laptimes from you yet, but not to worry. For this your first race with us, just choose cars that you do laptimes of about 1:41 in and you'll be fine. I'll then be able to add you into an official drivers group after this your first race.


With those times, I would suggest you join the Group One drivers Ayrton4_94. (I'll also add you into a drivers group officially for the next race)

Should be a good idea put the 275 Speciale in B Group, and let only for this race choose between group C & D for the Group 1 & 2 Drivers, changing the lap reference into a 1.41.0- 1.42.9. Gavino reached a 1.39.9xx with the 275 speciale, mine was a 1.40.4 surely beatable.
My idea is to gather groups C & D and let group 1 & 2 choose between these cars.Then everyone can choose a car in which is possible for him to make not less than 41.0 among:
Shelby Cobra 289 Coupe, Shelby Daytona Coupe, Corvette L88 Coupe,
Corvette L88 Roadster, Lotus Elan, Cobra 289 Roadster.
Obviously tha same is for group 3 & 4, that can choose a car let them make not less 41.0.
As you said, Legzy, the choice of car must be flexible, but with a higher lap time reference, maybe everyone can find a car that allows him to reach this higher target laptime. Let me know your opinion :)

Regarding my other team mates don't know if they will be able to take part of this race. At the moment is sure only for me & Gavino (ayrton 4_94). Don't worry, you make the right choice if you put Gavino in 1st Group! For the others i will let you know something very soon :)! Cu!

Best times so far with 10 gallons of fuel:

Cobra 289 Coupe: 1:47.7
Porsche 914: 1:44.7
Porsche 906/6: 1:41.5

The 906 is the only car I can get anywhere near 1:41s out of.

did you know there is a newer version of this track available than the one you linked to here on srouk ?

I currently have version 1.2 (yours is 1.1). Its a very nice version. Bit late in the day now i guess  :-\

Just had a tired very quick go in the Cobra and Daytona, both sound and feel great around here.  8)

As I've already mentioned, don't worry about getting near 1:41's. There are eleven cars available for selection to you Tibs, hopefully there's one you enjoy driving from them?
I uploaded my GT40 MK2 setup last night ("LGZ-GT40mk2"), it's not perfect yet but I'm pretty pleased with it :angel:.
I did forgot to upload my 'Cobra 289 Coupe' setup (which using the "Willment team" one, I was able to post very respectable times in :o)), but I'll upload that (LGZ-Cobra289C) as soon as I get home, should people fancy some fun in that tonight.


p.s. Pleased you're enjoying a bit of quality time with some American Muscle MJ  :-*

Before I forget, if you find you're suddenly too fast in your car of choice, may I suggest choosing a different OLDER year version of that choice. For example, you might have been driving the Elan '66... suddenly find that you're too fast while practicing but it's too late to learn a new car, maybe jumping in the Elan '65 version will slow you back down the pace you were expecting with only minimal tweaks required.
It could also work the other way, if you're wanting to go faster, see if there is a later version of your car. The cars 'year' does make a difference!  :yes:

i deny any culpability for any laptimes i set tonight as i have literally done 3 laps in a cobra coupe and 2 laps in a shelby daytona...thats it ! :P

i was dog tired and had no setups for either car and was worringly down in the 1:44-45 secs timing but the cars felt a blast around this track (which i know very well). I'll drive one of them in honour of the great sounding vettes at Le Mans. They sound superb in this mod  8) 

Should be there this eve hopefully, though im like a nodding dog at work today as i keep slipping into coma-toseness  :D

I never knew this. I knew they were based on actual cars from the showroom info, but I'd assumed they were all the same except for the skins. Hats off to the makers of this mod for such attention to detail, and thanks Legzy for enlightening us 8)

This was the version I originally had and so had to downgrade for this race...it really is a downgrade. 1.2 does look better!

I hadn't driven more than a few laps on 1.2 so I don't know if the handling is different too.

If we like this track, I'll look at getting the SROUK version upgraded for any potential next visit to Laguna. 8)



Sometimes the difference is just the tyres the cars use, sometimes the newer version will have more hp or something else like aero benefits.

I refuse to be intimidated by the car, so I WILL BE FASTER in the Cobra or crash and take at least 5 cars down with me.   :-*

I'll be running at the back TT, so just thin out the field for me to drive straight through :)

Not too impressed with the standard of driving tonight, the first 2 or 3 laps were like bumper cars. I got hit from behind 4 or 5 times on the first lap  >:(. What happened to 'take it easy on the opening lap'?

Anyway I eventually got involved in a collision between 2 other cars which wrecked my steering so retired early.

Hope things improve next time.

Apologies to whoever I hit at the Corkscrew on lap 1, got my line completely wrong going up the hill and just lost it. :-[ I did a self-imposed drive-through at the end of that lap.

Ended up binning it again a few laps later when my pedals started moving, and while moving them back I missed the braking point for turn 4. Broke the suspension, front bumper, steering and one of the tyres.

I dodn't know what's causing it, but I find the brakes on the 914 a bit strange. First lap they work normally, then from the start of the next lap onwards they lock under a tiny amount of pressure. :-\

well that was very hard work and not quite the first round i had in mind  :-[  Finished 2nd to last, other than retirements and set the slowest blinking lap time  :laugh:

Still, i suppose i shouldnt have expected any better with only about 10laps of praccy, not enough sleep and no setup in a car i havent driven before !  :P

Had a few little battles along the way reaching the ahem, lofty heights of 19th a couple of times  ::)  Half the time i felt like a large US buffalo swatting little green flies off my fat butt when i had elans and 914's attacking me from all angles  :laugh:

Not sure i picked the best car for this track and oddly the roadster cobras seemed to do better here than the coupes  :-\  I think i should stick to nimble european sports cars  ;)

well done pody guys  8)  The grid looked awesome as usual with such a glittering array of classic cars on display.  8)  Driving by most was very good and attentive, no mean feat avoiding contact with so many variations of cars on a tight undulating track  :)

Put that one down as a huge success Legzy. I didn't think I would have enjoyed that quite as much as I did. Loved the 906, but it was the only car I felt halfway confident in. Had an excellent dice with Ade for some laps but lost it too many times. Eventualy ran out of fuel on the final lap. Still looking forward to the next one.
Re: Driving standards, Had a couple of hairy moments avoiding people re-joining.

Hi drivers!,
good qualifying and good race.
Exciting fight with the winner. Thanks!!!
I was in the first position but I cannot avoid a car stopped in the center of the road.
For this reason I finish the race in second position!
Congratulations to all drivers. It was very funny!!
See you to the next event!

 :-[ Yea sorry about that Tony...I was a bit disorientated after my spin.

Apologies to whoever it was I took out after spinning and bouncing back into the track in the last few laps - I have a horrible feeling it was a front runner.  Nothing I could do I'm afraid so I hope I didn't screw someone's race up too badly.

Apart from that, it was a fun race with the odd brief battle here and there (Samb, LigelC, Oily).  Total lack of practice and set-up time meant I was a bit off the pace on the fast corners and the 914 would on occasions just lose the backend without warning which was odd.

Opening couple of laps were a bit frantic and I think I may have given some a tap on turn 3 of the second lap - wasn't really sure and couldn't tell what the outcome was and slowing up at that point would have just caused more aggro.  Anyhow, hopefully no damage done there.

Well done to the podium finishers!

Cheers, Ross.

well it was just pushing all the way to follow ayrton and Jose, i managed to get close (bout 5 sec) but then I made a mistake.

Then blunder came very close in the last lap, and you couldnt believe it, it was a photo finish... he just stole my podium buhuhu!  :-[

oh and I also got a nasty punt from blunder, :P:P

Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20090616%20P1/index.html)

That was a tough race! I joined the in with about 3 minutes of quali left which wasn't enough to set a time. So I started through the rear and had the fun of carving my way through the field. Had a great number of battles with many people and was in 11th position before I spun off into the first corner. Rejoined about 15th and continued my merry way towards the finish, battling with a couple more people. On the last lap, I was in 11th but lost the car under braking, losing a place to Ade and finished a miserable 12th.

Never mind, the race was good fun and it has certainly been an eye-opener on the stiff competition at present. Look forward to the next one.

I raise my hat to everyone there tonight - what an absolutely fantastic race.  If the rest of the season turns out this good I think the organisers should be in the 'new years' honours list. :notworthy: :notworthy:

I spent most of the time in the illustrious company of Mr Oiley and Matt_R.  These guys would pass me and then park on the sand until I caught them up  :whistling: :whistling:  then pass me again and again and again  :thumbup1: :thumbup1: and so it went on pretty well thoughout the whole race.  As far as I am aware even though we were only inches apart at times there was no 'coming together' just strong, fair racing.  Thanks guys you certainly made my night.  :thumbup2:

Just after we crossed the finish line GTR decided to give up and I got the 'not responding' message so it didn't save the replay - something I'll have to look forward to later this week when the download is available.  Meanwhile congratulations to the podium and as I said earlier 'thanks to everyone there'.

Laurie

Tis already there ;)

Sorry Jos, am still chuckling this morning over the whole thing!
A little bump into turn 2, sorry buddy, completely my fault!
Luckily, managed to let you rejoin with no obvious damage!

My car was damaged after one of the Elans took a spin on lap 3, so was having to nurse it home all race.
A couple of moments just before the corkscrew let the leaders get away slightly.
Chased after Jos, lap after lap, but managed a few clean fast laps at the end to put me on his bump on the last corner of the last lap and just made it over the line in front for 3rd!
Sorry Jos, you must be gutted!

Awesome race Legzy! Not my favourite track ( mainly due to iRacing! ) but really enjoyed it!
Looks like this will be my best result this season as I fully expect to get demoted!! oh, sorry promoted! ;D on the back of this!  ;D

Thanks all, hope you all had a good race too and that we will have a similiar well supported and fun event next time!

It was I that you speared Tibs, I likely would have lost it somewhere at sometime without your help
but it meant I dropped to the back of the field, and had some serious fun catching and passing
people until the inevitable overdriving caught me out several times.... still, my pace was not too bad
and I did have some good times passing and repassing Ligel and Bill

No doubt this P&G season will be a success thanks to the organizers.  :D

As i said during practice, i was the only one insane driver that picked up
the Corvette L88 Roadster.  :w00t:
Pretty cool and fun to drive, but only for 5 laps...
Tires gone on lap 10, brakes gone on lap.....5..... :scared: :eek: yes, afetr lap 5
my XD tool was showing me brakes only between yellow and red colors.
The brake temperatures after S/F straight and uphill to corckscrew were above 900º celcius
in front and 800º celcius in rear, which means that the following sequence corners were
always around 600º-700º...what a nightmare. Anyyone had the same experience?
Anyway, even with this things, the Vette it's very fun to drive, however, not in a track
like Laguna with so light cars around.  :whistling:
Started 16th and only saw a few cars on grid. When lights went green, i had to lift a couple
of times the throtle as i couldn't see all cars in front. Suddenly a 914 appeared in front and
i had hit slighty the rear end (sorry Geoffers), i was glad that only a broken rear lights for you
and headlights for me were done. What a relief..... :yes:
By the midle of the race the fun came with a batle for a few laps with Lazlow, Legzy and Manteos.
Legzy, for what i understood, with some braking issues aswell. Lazlow and Manteos and their Elans
were all over me (i had to brake 50 meters before them and negociate corners slower than both).
Hats off for them, for their patience and fairplay behind the "boat".

Welcome for the new Italian guys. Benvenuto a tutti.

Congrats to the podium finishers and to all that saw the chekered flag.  :clap:

Cheers

Not the best race for me  :( Like someone else here I had major problems with the brakes, which seemed to lock up every corner and this combined with the short qual and heavy traffic meant that I didn't get a decent qual lap in. Then in the race it was all a bit mad at first but I gradually gained places, and then just as things were settling down I spun on the exit of the last corner. Sitting sideways across the track I was a bit of a target and got a nice big thump, but I did feel that people weren't backing off much in the circumstances. After that it was a case of doing it all again, and towards the end I was back up to 10th and chasing down TT in another cobra. By this time though the car felt awful (it wasn't great to start with!) and I had a couple of small offs before a spin at the corkscrew left me pointing backwards uphill and in a horrid place to rejoin, so I quit. There was no enjoyment to be had from driving anyway - how does a car that light feel so heavy?

For me the race would have been better had we not had such a big difference in performance between the group D cars - I didn't want to take the elan as I was best part of 2 secs a lap quicker and this seemed to go against the principle of the clubman races, but the cobra is such an awful racing car that driving it fast enough to keep up meant that mistakes were bound to happen. The same would have applied to the vette. I also think that such a short practice and qual was a mistake. There was so much traffic and such a big range of speeds that a clean lap was really hard to get. Short praccy is fine, but can we extend qual a bit please?

I sure did!!! But my problem was with the nut behind the wheel  :D

Most enjoyable race for me. I've never raced at Laguna before & wasn't sure exactly how it would pan out. I don't know about the rest of you, but I finished the race covered in sweat!  :sweatdrop: :sweatdrop: :sweatdrop: What an intense race. I think the GT40 MK2 probably had the fastest top speed on the grid, which made overtaking straight froward most of the time, cornering was not so fast & boy would it spit me out with the slightest wrong line at corner entry!

Managed to get 2nd place on the grid & blast away past Jose with the extra grunt I had. Led the race for about five laps before I had my first moment  ::) at T1, rejoined back in 13/15th spot & spent the rest of the race battling with people (there were many people I had some good fights with) as I worked my way back up the field (between mini off road excursions) & finally finished sideways in a photo finish 6th/7th with team-mate Lazlow:

(http://media6.dropshots.com/photos/514210/20090617/b_022221.jpg)

Totally agree on the Elan Paul, but it wasn't till Sunday night (I think) that suddenly the Elan was obviously too quick for its group. It was too late to change it for Laguna, but it's been noted for the future.
I had a brief discussion on session lengths on TS last night & am looking at that also.


Note - Also wanted to say well done to all the finishers too. Especially the guys more towards the back then they're use to being  :punk:

One thing that surprised me last night was how slow the 914 is on the straight, even the Elans were quicker. I think the P&G guys have made a bit of a booboo with that car's performance, either that or I wasn't pedalling fast enough  :laugh:

I think not:-

Lotus Elan = 105bhp , weight 1290lbs
Porsche 914 = 125bhp, weight 2195lbs  :o  ...fat little porker  ;D

The newer the sportscar the more it seems to weigh unfortunately  :(

Excluding my times as i cant really count with my total lack of prep, but are we seeing the car spread is still too wide or is it more that people are still taking a car too quick ? I kept in the clubman spirit by taking a car from my assigned group but it meant i had a woeful race at the bottom end of the field, but if i had taken the IROC i would have been up there in the top 4 having a great battle.  :'(

Apologies to Paul who i clumped head on when he span just after the final turn on the straight. I had two cars in front of me that parted to reveal your cobra facing mine head on and had no chance to avoid.

so is there some kind of scoring point system?

 

np Mark, as I said, the cars coming round the corner didn't really back off so you would have had little warning.


Not sure where you get your numbers mark - the 914 is 250 hp and the elan 180. Even so, the elan does have a fractionally better power to weight ratio. The 914 is all about carrying speed (as is the elan tbh). The 914 should have rather better grip though with newer tyres and more modern suspension.

UKPnG Season One Clubmans: Leader board & Scoring Scheme (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=214&scoring=406&theme=4#ch406) (it can also be found by clicking on "P1" near the top-right corner of your screen :))

Thanks for welcome...i'm sorry if i reply only now but its busy period for me and yesterday evening i can't race...and i'm very sad for this..in next two weeks i go in holydays and when i'm back sure i'm on track with other guys !!!

Sorry for my bad english and see soon !!
Bye

Laguna Lapchart Here (http://uk.geocities.com/bcl03z/GTLlapCharts/PnG/Laguna_16-06-09/index.html)


As a result of their performances at Laguna Seca & preceding races, the following promotions & relegation's will be reflected at the next race:

Congratulations to the Drivers who've earned Promotion:
Jose Arrogantio to Group One Drivers
Blunder to Group Two Drivers
Legzy to Group Two Drivers

Commiserations to the Drivers who've been Relegated: (you get a faster car next time :))
None this week.

Welcome to the New Drivers & their New Group:
Ayrton4_94 to Group One Drivers
Pippomax to Group Two Drivers
Lars Sch to Group Three Drivers

Please do PM me if you think I've put you in the wrong group.

Thanks!.... I think  ;D

Me thinks next race will be much harder! ;)

Bring it on!  ;)

Another great race, even if i' ve to excuse with Ade, (disappointed about that... :hang:) and i hit another car (don't remember who), but it's too difficult to take measures with a group of so different cars and the right drive (surely easier for you guys :death: :stupid:)
Anyway seems that all of us had some great fights during the race :fencing: :fencing:... but as ever i made a lot of mistakes during the race that relegated me in 10th position, but happy because finally i've finished a race after 5 events here... :clap: :clap:...in Italy we say: "It's better late than never"  :balloon: :balloon:
Grats to my Teammates (Gavino & Pippomox) that made 2 Great races in their first event here! Gavino could have win this one, but he was very unlucky :wetfish:! Congratulations to the Podium and to all finshers! Great organization as ever and 26 drivers for the race, surely increase
the possibilities of fun & close races!
Cu in the next one!
 

Could the drivers who don't have a national flag beside their names in the League table please fill in your profile details for nationality, thank you.

A race of two parts.  First 3 laps were good, managed to avoid incidents and miss stationary/spinning cars.  Laps 4 and 5 gradually went backwards as faster drivers overtook me.

Lap 6 disaster, I went too fast/deep into T1 and kissed kitty litter on right - Laurie and a n other got by whilst I tried to get back up to speed - off line.  This caused me to go wide again on T2 and into the kitty litter, I kept my boot in but the car seem to spear off to the Armco and I got bogged down big time.  I had to slip the clutch using full throttle to get any movement - else the engine died, took over a minute to coax the car out onto the track into last place about a minute behind the next place.  Soldiered on to finish 2 laps down.

Bill

Are your figures from the in-game stats Paul ? I got mine from online classic car statistics pages as i was at work. Bit of a difference between the two sets of stats !  :o

Your figures look like road car ones - 125 bhp in a racing porsche? Sounds unlikely to me.

Well, in Portugal we say the same... ;D

First of all I want to say thank you to all drivers .... Fair play has been the real winner of this race !

Qual did not excite me so much .... I got a time at least 1.5sec slower than my best ever in this track with Elan ... Anyway 8th position was not so bad at all !
During the race my first goal was to see the chequered flag, so I had a very conservative driving, trying to avoid any trouble.
Frankly speaking race became a bit boring after 7-8 laps because of absolutely no fight with other drivers ....
Too fast guys in front of me and quit far others behind me made my race like a "walk" !
At the end I got a 5th pos that is much more than I expected considering that this was my debut in this league.
Happy to see Gavino fighting for the first position until the end of the race ... Bad luck was just waiting him behind a turn !!!!

Grats to everyone finished the race, especially to whom got the podium ... Well done !

See you soon !

Was there something wrong with my lapchart  ::)

Whoops... I forgot you're super efficient & do one for us when you post the results!  :-[ lol
With Historic racing we're used to waiting a few days till somebody gets round to it.  ;)

I don't usually do them for fun races but for official league ones (well GTR2 based ones) I do them as standard now. And because I often have to fix the multiple entries issue they are cleaner too  :)

You obviously didn't use a big enough font Pete  :laugh:

Lol, I didn't know you get prizes inside each groups?! YAY, I got another medal!  ;)