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Title: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: Jack O'Ferrall on June 21, 2009, 08:56:38 PM +0100
UKGPL Season 17 - Novices Trophy - Race 9 - 65 mod - Silverstone

The ninth race in the Novices Trophy is at Silverstone, a UKGPL favourite.  Clutch has one hand on the championship already, though Mike's Lotus will have an advantage for the remaining races.  Nicky's Cooper might be sadly outmatched.

There are often accidents at Copse on the first lap, drivers should be especially careful there and not drift wide on either line.  GPL's Woodcote is reputed to be tighter than the corner should be.

Reserve drivers should not join until there are only 30 mins of qualifying left.  However, all drivers should not go on track until there is 30 minutes of qualifying left.  This helps all drivers join the server successfully.  Please restrict chat to pit messages.

Please use the updated 65 mod for this race.

The 65 mod V2 update is being used by UKGPL and the updated layout features are very welcome, with the ability to record best lap times at addon tracks and to have 65 specific tracks. The new collision boxes are also a great improvement.  Though the new slipstream code will need extensive testing, the preliminary race seemed to show that it would be a definite improvement in racing terms, without the controversy over its extent, as with the 66 mod.

Thanks to all involved with producing the update.  If the new slipsteam code works as well as it seems it might, perhaps it could help persuade the authors of the 66 mod to rework their code as well!

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:55 p.m. UK 19:55 GMT
(You will need to set up a channel called #ukgpl if you haven't already done so)
IGOR and race passwords: see above (#post_event_password)

Server ukgpl5
IP address  TBC

Race date = 23-06-2009
Time = 21:00 (UK time) 20:00 (GMT)
Track = Silverstone(GP1952-73)
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = INT
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = long (24 laps)

Make sure that you have enough race fuel to complete the distance!

(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=206&theme=6)

Penalties are to be worried about after the race, with the exception of penalties for restarts.  The UKGPL rule is that you have to take a stop-and-go in the pits for each reset at the end of the lap, with the only exception being if your reset was caused by another driver.  The penalty for not taking a stop-and-go is thirty seconds.  

CHASSIS ALLOCATION  If I haven't included you but your chassis has been agreed it's not important, otherwise pm me.

Ferrari Norbert Roguk Fabio
Lotus Al Vos Mike Scott Vee8
BRM Billy Hezemans Hurtubise JamesRye
BT11 Graham Maestro Clutch Nhance Mark
Honda Bookie Tomd18
Cooper Asbjeurn* Ian* Steve B* Steve B2* Geoff* Bernie* Nicky*
BT7 Aulden Burt* Glyn

*drivers also assigned an Amateurs chassis

65 Mod

These were the 65 drivers
BT7 Bonnier, Baghetti, Hulme (Bonnier drove for Walker)
BT11 Brabham Gurney Gardner Anderson Siffert (Siffert drove for Walker, Gardner and Anderson were privateers)
Lotus Clark Spence Rodriguez Mitter Russo Solana (and Maggs Hailwood Attwood Amon and Ireland for Parnell)
Ferrari Surtees Bandini Rodriguez Vaccarella Bondurant Scarfiotti
Honda Ginther Bucknum
Cooper McLaren Rindt
BRM Hill Stewart

The 1965 season was the last to use the controversial 1500cc formula which had begun after 1960, to the initial advantage of Ferrari.  The 1965 cars are smaller than the 1967 cars and have less torque and hence more grip.  It was claimed that they 'cornered on rails', however this allowed the Grand Prix series to retain the use of circuits which were otherwise to prove extremely dangerous.

The 1965 cars are ideal for those new to GPL as they allow the tracks to be learnt in light reliable cars, however these are also full Formula One cars, and quite fast....  Jim Clark won the 1965 British Grand Prix from pole in a Lotus.  His qualifying time was 1:30'8.

David Wright's 'Legends' site http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/ (http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/) has the download of the 2.0.1 version (under 'details') as well as being an exceptional guide to both 1965 and 1967, for those interested in Formula One history.  The 2.02 update is available here: http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/1965mod_PATCH_v2.0.2_Setup.zip (http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/1965mod_PATCH_v2.0.2_Setup.zip)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: JamesRye on June 23, 2009, 10:55:24 PM +0100
I had more wheel to wheel action in that one race than in a whole season of F1!

qualifying was not what I expected and I started in P6.

determined to have a clean first lap and so it seemed to be.

RUK65 obliged early on by having a spin and I found myself in 5th. Clutch ran wide a bit later and Nicky and I inherited 3rd and 4th respectively. Clutch hassled me a bit and I had to keep one eye on trying to pass P3 who I had the slight edge on and keep Clutch behind.

On lap 11, I rear ended Nicky and tore the wheels off my BRM.  :o
I took to the pits for a SNG as I needed a reset.
Now I'll take most of the blame for the incident.....but in my defence, the replay shows that I had a run into the last corner and as I moved to the right to brake late for a good tow onto the main straight, Nicky also moves to the right at the same moment. Now this means trouble and I braked ASAP and threw in the downshifts, but when a car moves around in front of you in the braking zone then an accident is likely. Anyway I'm sorry that the incident happened because we were having a real fun battle and running very close together for many laps.

Anyway after that drama I was ready for another one  ;D and I found myself in P5 behind Nicky (I think). We had a bit of fun running side by side a bit until I spun and Vos passed me. I outbraked him at the scene of my earlier smash and pressed on. Then I SPUN AGAIN! on the main straight and collected Vos I think (VERY sorry about that Vos  :-[ ).

Now it cant be part of the game but I'd wrestled my wheel so hard in my efforts to arrest my slide that it was wonky. To go in a straight line I had to be just under a quarter of a turn to the left.

This made my battle with RUK65 even more fun. We also had a last corner incident, but this time it was more clear cut. I had the inside line, we were side by side and the corner was mine. The ferrari turned in as normal, but I was there and he got spat out into the fencing. We'd had some fun prior to the incident and he raced really well to hold me back  :)

I await the stewards investigation with interest.... ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: Clutch4 on June 23, 2009, 11:10:23 PM +0100
Well i'm away now for a couple of days so will get a quick race report in before i go and without seeing the replay.

Well, Silverstone. Fast Track and not the ideal stomping ground for my slower BT11. I knew the Lotus's would be good here and i had an even bigger sense of doom when i popped on the practice server for 10minutes mid-week to see Mike pulling 1:33+'s with apparent ease. I knew i couldn't match that, so damage limitation sprung to mind.

Qualifying went well, set a PB with a 1:33 something, but Mike was in a league of his own, and even Al Heller snuck in before the 30mins was up putting me 3rd on the grid. Still, can't complain.

Made a good start and held 3rd and thought about a move on Al Heller a couple of times on Lap 1, but, although he gave me room, i thought better than risking some lap 1 carnage.
Held third place, but missed a gear a few laps in which allowed Al to pull clear. With my rhythm gone, i made a couple of small errors, eg, couple of stabs on the throttle out of a couple of corners..etc. This gave Ickx and Ryman a run on me, and when i ran slightly wide at Becketts, they cruised past.
I knew i had the pace to stick with them, and had a couple of looks at Ryeman, who in turn was having a look at Ickx.

So what do you do? You've got the Championship at stake, your main rival is leading, and you've dropped to 5th place. Ever tried praying and driving? well i did, and due to the Seasonal clear skies, the big man upstairs got back to me in a flash.. Ickx and Ryeman had a coming together and through i went.
I'm not religious, so dismissed it as a coincidence, however, when i then passed 2nd place Al Heller who was stuck on a grass bank i decided to re-evaluate my secular view of the Universe. There is a God!  :o

Talking of God, where was Mike James?? The Silverstone-meister was miles up the road and even though the gap was 3 seconds at one stage, he soon regained his rhythm and was long gone. I pushed for a couple of laps, but then got terrible cramp in my clutch foot, so had to sack it off and play safe for 2nd place.

Not sure how the Championship now stands and not sure where Mike or I need to finish to each win.

Still, at least thats the power circuits out of the way where my BT11 struggles. Next and Final Round - Monaco. The tight twisty circuit will suit my car perfectly!!...eh...its where... Monza!!?? SH1T!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: Mark65 on June 23, 2009, 11:44:56 PM +0100
Wow it's a bummer when you're not even at the "novice" level... ???  Was 4-5 seconds off qualifying pace and spun off twice on the first lap. Took WAY too long to recover from that second spin and realized I might be in danger of being lapped; being a reserve driver I didn't want to pose that kind of hazard to the front-runners so hit shift-r thinking it would put me in the pits for a fresh getaway at the back of the pack, instead I was "retired" hahaha.. Stayed around for a dozen or so laps sitting in various cockpits unable to comprehend how you guys are braking so late and not going off. Guess I just need more practice, I don't know. I'll toss it around Monza for the next couple weeks and maybe try a race again if I can find a consistent and reasonably competitive pace.

Thanks,
Mark


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: miner2049er on June 24, 2009, 12:13:06 AM +0100
Well, if Jensen Button couldn't manage it I felt I had to.

I knew my setup was good here and I had been running the 1967 Lotus for a week or so at this circuit in practise which was an enormous help to me because when I went back to the 1965 Lotus it felt like I had lots more time mid corner to turn the car with the pedals and that allowed my lap times to fall.

I went out for qually and apart from hitting newcomer Mark (sorry) it went to plan with a PB 1:33.34 despite Pribluda suggesting I had a 32 in there somewhere. As is customary for me I settled for that lap time wherever it put me and went out with race fuel. As is also customary Al Heller got within a bug's d**k of beating me but nicely dropped Clutch to 3rd.

I got away well and had a good clean lap 1 then settled down into slowly eaking out a lead and in the process on lap 4 or 5 I think set the fastest race lap of 1:33.66 (I honestly do not know where that came from with all that fuel on board).

Now I had done a few sums before the race and I knew that if I won and Clutch finished 5th I would be leading by a point going to Monza (after 2 result deductions) so things were going great when I saw Clutch drop to 5th and all seemed rosey. Then I did what I usually do and had a few scrappy laps touching the grass and having to lift while catching a couple of backmarkers. Not their fault, it's just something I need to work on and I have to thank Billy and Bookie especially for lifting to allow me through.

Around this time I got a message saying that somebody was summoning the alleged Creator and I felt somebody press my throttle pedal too early in Becketts sending me into a spin. That gave Al Heller nowhere to go and he hit me, spoiling our Clark-Hill 1, 2.

Got going again still in the lead with Clutch now behind me and that's the way it stayed thankfully, with my car feeling a little strange when I pushed too hard I just had to relax and drive as smoothly but as quickly as I could which worked. I had a little push near the end to try and get a better fastest lap but it wasn't working out and luckily nobody beat it giving me my first fastest race lap ever.

So, when I needed a result I got one but sadly Clutch's contributions to the church roof collection fund paid off and he made my job at Monza more difficult.

The mathematics of the situation for those following the dramatic events of the Novices season are this:

Realistically I need to win but it depends where Clutch finishes. If I do win and Clutch finishes 4th or lower, I win the trophy, so, a podium for Clutch will be enough to clinch it for him.

Nicky seems to have sealed 3rd but I haven't done the maths on that one, however his chassis will also struggle at Monza despite his good show at Silverstone.

I'm looking forward to Monza because just like my favourite women it is Italian, fast, exciting and with a couple of kinks. Hopefully it won't be like my old girlfriend and break my car before tossing me off on the grass.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: il_lupo_mannaro on June 24, 2009, 07:17:59 AM +0100
 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I had a very good start from 10th place in grid but, after one third of the race without any mistake, my engine blown out when I was in 6th position...
Anyway, I was so far from my PB...
Cu all at my home track

Grats to the podium and to everybody raced.
Long Live GPL!!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: vosblod on June 24, 2009, 11:17:39 AM +0100
Firstly congrats to Mike, Clutch and Al H – a Clark-Hill sandwich.
A dramatic race for me...
Qually was fine, 7th and a tad off my PB but no chance of getting to the 33’s. Then the drama started.
At the start the cars disappeared (again) so when the flag dropped I was ultra-cautious not to hit the invisible car in front. This resulted in Asbjeurn running into the back of me – no fault on your part Asb. My replay shows all cars disappear and, no doubt, the server will show the opposite. My connection is normally rock solid so not sure why this has happened twice, will keep an eye on it in practice races. My replay shows a knock-on to Norm; sorry Norm and anyone else affected. Sh/R but no SnG as feel it was a connection issue.
So off we go again now in 15th  :blink: – the battle was on, how to fight my way back up the field…
Got past a few and by 7 I was in 10th following a 3 way battle between Rog, Peter and Norbert which allowed me to close. Over the next 4 laps Peter and Norbert decided to peel off leaving just Rog and myself. Reminded me of that song ‘ten green bottles’  ;)
Anyway, followed Rog for many laps until he overdid a corner on 14 gifting me 6th. Then passed a recovering James temporarily giving me 5th but he soon put me back in my place. On 16 James span approaching the start line and I was clipped. Not your fault James – race thing and you did all you could. I took a no fault Sh/R for this.
Now I was down to 8th but a flying Asbjeurn went past and then had a tangle with Norbert gifting me back 7th.
Compliments to Billy for letting me cleanly lap him twice (2nd time was after the Sh/R on 16).
Somewhere on 21 I regained 6th but didn’t pass anyone? After that James was too far ahead so it was a straight cruise to the finish.

All in all a good race, quallied 7th finished 6th with some great racing in between. On to Monza then.

I'll toss it around Monza for the next couple weeks and maybe try a race again if I can find a consistent and reasonably competitive pace.
Don’t give up Mark. My first race was a disaster – keep going and you’ll improve. Hope to see you at Monza.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: Al Heller on June 24, 2009, 01:00:39 PM +0100
Well the server records that I briefly led that one - though sadly I was upside down & flying 20 feet above the track at the time so not sure if it counts :D.

Knew teammate Mike would run well here having joined him on the practice servers during the week so wasn't surprised to see him heading the times in qually. Did my best to try & steal pole from him with a last-minute effort but missed it by 0.02. I think my setup is pretty different to Mike's so was surprised (& pleased) to set such a similar time & nab 2nd spot.

Mindful of Jack's beady eye & the penalty-fest that was the Mosport race, we all seemed to take the first lap carefully. I was trying not to run too close to Mike for the first few corners in case of any warps & having fallen foul of the blind spot during practice appreciated Clutch for not diving up the inside during lap 1. Once the dust had settled, I found myself falling into Clutch's clutches anyway - had to drive hard to stay ahead as he was looming large in my mirrors for several laps but then dropped back (after an incident?) to leave me in a lonely second. Tried to catch Mike but wasn't making much of an impact until he encountered some traffic & I was able to close the gap. Then disaster - I came round Becketts to find Mike sideways on in the middle of a spin - I tried my best to avoid him but got snagged as I went past & launched into orbit. Found myself upside down on the grass bank & despite my injuries managed a reset but by the time the track was clear I'd lost a lot of time & had been passed by Clutch. Tried hard to catch up again but with full tanks & cold tyres I was in danger of throwing it off track - was a bit gutted until I noticed I was still running 3rd so was delighted to hold on for my first novice podium :).  

Congratulations to Mike for a deserved win, to Clutch for a strong second & to all the other finishers. Monza should make for an interesting championship finale.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: NHance on June 24, 2009, 02:14:07 PM +0100
I've submitted a race report but for some reason it is not appearing. No matter, it was a quiet race on my own for most part so if it turns up all well & good. However I closed on the following subject which I will repeat as I would like a response before Monza if possible.

What is the order of rank from fastest to slowest chassis. Is it exactly as posted on the header of each race intro i.e. Ferrari fastest & in the order stated down to Cooper & BT7 being slowest. The reason being I may change for next season to Honda (if allowed) but that, if the order is as listed, would appear to be a slower chassis than my BT11. I have been trying one off line & have yet to better a BT11 time but that in itself may not deter me. The Honda is a real fun drive although I have not tried all the cars.

Norm H


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: miner2049er on June 24, 2009, 02:55:24 PM +0100
What is the order of rank from fastest to slowest chassis. Is it exactly as posted on the header of each race intro i.e. Ferrari fastest & in the order stated down to Cooper & BT7 being slowest.

When we allocated the chassis at the start of the season jack O did some number crunching and soul searching and came up with a table of what would be the fastest chassis over the season's races. The list here is fastest at the top and slowest at the bottom.

Ferrari
Lotus
BRM
BT11
Honda
Cooper
BT7

Although some of the races next season will be at different circuits, the guide should be fairly accurate. Incidentally, so we don't give away Jack O's secret formula, the Honda was only reckoned to be 0.6 seconds slower than your BT11 over the season. I raced the Honda in my first season of GPL (S16) and found it a great car to driver though I have found the Lotus to be a better handling car mid corner.

I've not driven the BT11 so I can't compare them for you, however going off the times I would not worry if I were you but we have not looked at allocations for next season yet.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: bernie on June 24, 2009, 03:45:03 PM +0100
IMO the Only way to make the handicap work fairly is to weight the top drivers as was the case in previous clubmens series , so that whoever is leading the series (1st and 2nd) would have to use one of the  slower chassis for the next race ( Coop or BT7 ) and conversly those lying lower down the order get a choice of using one of the faster chassis on an appropriate scale.

It was a good system ( though some may think I am biased ) I dont really understand why it was thought neccesary to change  ::)

 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: Jack O'Ferrall on June 24, 2009, 06:24:20 PM +0100
There were drawbacks to the Clubmans system, the greatest being that it failed to attract enough new drivers, which is enough to condemn it.

The system never worked in the manner stated, it relied on a complex sliding scale of pitstops rather than forcing drivers to use a slower chassis.  It also failed to reward attendance, so that if a driver won a race easily and then missed two-three, he would then have a faster chassis for a further win.

Chassis allocation has worked well, and should work even better next season.  It's not easy to anticipate who will get faster during the season, or who might drop out.  There are three broad classes of 65 cars:

Ferrari, Lotus
BRM, BT11, Honda
Cooper, BT7

Lastly, whether we have 2 divisions or 3 next season, the intention isn't to handicap fairly, so much as to have everyone happy with their chassis.  I've always been open to having a driver moving to another chassis, even during the season - however the drivers themselves seem to be reluctant to, once they've started! 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: Phil Thornton on June 24, 2009, 09:55:20 PM +0100
IMO the Only way to make the handicap work fairly is to weight the top drivers as was the case in previous clubmens series , so that whoever is leading the series (1st and 2nd) would have to use one of the  slower chassis for the next race ( Coop or BT7 ) and conversly those lying lower down the order get a choice of using one of the faster chassis on an appropriate scale.

It was a good system ( though some may think I am biased ) I dont really understand why it was thought neccesary to change  ::)
As a general rule I try to organize the league so that the Divisional Moderators are happy with the rules of their division.  In fact I encourage the divisional moderators to pick the rules, my only request is that any rules the divisional mod decides to use should be acceptable to the majority of the drivers.  This is self evident anyway because there is not much point in trying to run a division that nobody is interested in. 

Jack likes chassis allocation and so that's why its used in this division.  I like the Clubmans formula so I run the Clubmans.  For the record I don't like chassis allocation, but so what, I'm not the only driver in the league.  The other possibilities are pit stops, tokens, a series of spec races or mandating that a driver uses every chassis at least once in the season (there may be other handicapping systems but I can't think of any more).

The fact is next season the rules used will primarily be down to the divisional moderator.  After all they do all the work so they deserve to have the biggest say in how the divisions are run.  Drivers can influence the moderators by lobbying on the forums (politely please ;D), choosing to register or not for the divisions at the start of the season (the rules are always published at registration) or volunteering to be a moderator (this could be viewed as a drastic measure :stupid:)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: vosblod on June 24, 2009, 10:36:04 PM +0100
Clutch seems to be missing from the import? Has Mike been dishing out bribes  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: bernie on June 24, 2009, 11:26:46 PM +0100
Quote
I've always been open to having a driver moving to another chassis, even during the season - however the drivers themselves seem to be reluctant to, once they've started! 


News to me !

My memory isnt that good these days ( in fact its abismal) but i seem to remember that clubmans was for 67 cars , perhaps that was the reason it wasn't  popular and a lot of "newbies" dropped out.

Ask yourself  how many would still be driving novice today if you had used the 67 format instead of the 65 's ???

I still hold the opinion that chassis allocation is NOT the best way to promote close racing at least with chassis choice you had an option to drive a faster car even with the pit stop penalty imposed and plenty guys raced and won or got podiums using a faster car with a pit stop than they would have using a crawler car.

Don't ever remember Jochen Rindt winning any races with the Cooper though boy did he try  :D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: miner2049er on June 25, 2009, 12:03:44 AM +0100
Clutch seems to be missing from the import? Has Mike been dishing out bribes  ;D

Yes he is indeed missing. I would re-import for Jack O but I don't know if it will break anything so I'll let Jack O sort it.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: NickyIckx on June 25, 2009, 07:19:12 AM +0100
 :) ;) :D ;D
Well did knew my Cooper wouldnt be the best car to race Silverstone ..  was lucky to made it 5th on the grid within 0,38 sec slower then my offline PB.

Well , start was nice and after Ruk65 missed a bit the exit of Abbey on L2, I could benefit by slipstream effect. Together side by side we reached the entry of Woodcote.
Here Ruk65 shows his gentleman driving style by letting me passed him on the outer line . Thx for that , wish other drivers  would have act the same to him later on .
On lap 6 Clutch run wide and I earned P3. Rye close behind me. An very nice fight over number of laps .
Unluckily he rear ended me on L 11 at Woodcote. ( btw. on mine and Norberts replay none part of Rye`s car ever was even sort beside my Cooper . BRM all the way clearly behind. ).
Well , off course from that moment on all my hopes on a podium place where gone. Without tow by the fast drivers in front my Cooper was lost.
More worst  , it shows up my engine was effected by that accident , so I made an shift-R at L12 ,time 19:38 ; without Pitstop ! which should be ok , I think.
I kept on racing with cold tyres and full fuel tank , again Rye in my neck , who had done  a stop and go in the pits.
On L 14 Nobrakes and Poole did have an accident in front of me , I could luckily pass. Unfortunately Rye got bad luck there and spun.

P4 in the end to me . Not bad .

Congratulation goes to Mike for an brilliant drive , unbeatable very well done . To Clutch on a great 2nd and to A.Heller on his unlucky 3rd.

Thx all for another great race. see you at Monza. ( should mount a rocket booster on my Cooper for that one .. ).

 ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: NHance on June 25, 2009, 03:39:02 PM +0100
Thanks to everyone who contributed an answer to my question. So its been explained now & it may help drivers who are even newer than me. Seems it may be something of a controversial subject.

Don't know if any of you watched the BBC documentary last week about the 1960's Shelby AC Cobra race team. What amused me was the way all personnel had a nickname e.g. Le Mans winners Bob"Hurry Back" Bondurant & his co driver Ken "Teddy Teabagger" Miles. As a driver yet to trouble the podium trophy engravers I will sign off today as below. However I will keep trying........ and dreaming.

Norm "No Chance" Hance.

 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: Hristo Itchov on June 25, 2009, 06:28:03 PM +0100
Thanks to everyone who contributed an answer to my question. So its been explained now & it may help drivers who are even newer than me. Seems it may be something of a controversial subject.

Don't know if any of you watched the BBC documentary last week about the 1960's Shelby AC Cobra race team. What amused me was the way all personnel had a nickname e.g. Le Mans winners Bob"Hurry Back" Bondurant & his co driver Ken "Teddy Teabagger" Miles. As a driver yet to trouble the podium trophy engravers I will sign off today as below. However I will keep trying........ and dreaming.

Norm "No Chance" Hance.

It's pointless to shoot yourself in the foot by going against yourself, Norm. It's enough that there are numerous factors that are more or less out of control and you have to deal with, so the least you can do is keep a positive mindset during racing.  ;) Plus you improve with each lap you do, so it's just a matter of time and effort.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: NHance on June 25, 2009, 07:55:18 PM +0100
Whoa there Hristo!!. One of the disadvantages of cyberspace is that you don't actaully know people. If you have seen any of my previous race reports you will see that I try to make them what I see as humerous. May not be everyone's taste but the Watkins Glen one definitely set something running. I liked that. Its just I recorded that documentaty & watched it yesterday & the nickname thing, especially Bondurant, really amused me so I started thinking in those terms for myself & hoped others would enjoy a joke  all be it at my expense.

The car selection thing - well I genuinly wanted to know & we've only had one novice Honda driver up to now & he actually drives a Honda on the road - good reason to choose I say.
Anyway (seriously)thanks for the advice I understand what you mean I am trying my hardest believe you me!   

Norm H


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: Hristo Itchov on June 25, 2009, 10:25:01 PM +0100
Whoa there Hristo!!. One of the disadvantages of cyberspace is that you don't actaully know people. If you have seen any of my previous race reports you will see that I try to make them what I see as humerous. May not be everyone's taste but the Watkins Glen one definitely set something running. I liked that. Its just I recorded that documentaty & watched it yesterday & the nickname thing, especially Bondurant, really amused me so I started thinking in those terms for myself & hoped others would enjoy a joke  all be it at my expense.

The car selection thing - well I genuinly wanted to know & we've only had one novice Honda driver up to now & he actually drives a Honda on the road - good reason to choose I say.
Anyway (seriously)thanks for the advice I understand what you mean I am trying my hardest believe you me!   

Norm H

I didn't mean to sound preachy, just encouraging! Maybe I assume wrongly that because some people have started with GPL recently they get disheartened that easy. Good to hear it's quite the opposite then, good luck!  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: JamesRye on June 26, 2009, 09:05:32 AM +0100
we've only had one novice Honda driver up to now  

Before I joined Reed Racing I drove a Honda at Albi (at that time I owned a Honda Prelude 2.2 Vtec, but my wife made me sell it and now I am relegated to the 1.4 Seat Arosa (or Seat Arouser as I like to call it)). It seemed like a pretty nice car and I scored a nice win at that race  ;D. From my experience so far, I think that everyone has improved in the Novice League as I am definitley finding it more competitive. Indeed, my battles with Nicky and Clutch in the last race were as hard as any I've had in the Clubmans races.

 btw. on mine and Norberts replay none part of Rye`s car ever was even sort beside my Cooper . BRM all the way clearly behind

Nicky, you are right I was never alongside. I just had a great tow and kinda got sucked in  ::). For some reason I hadn't realised that you drove the Cooper, which makes your race pace even more impressive as I think Silverstone is a power circuit and the Cooper has a lower top speed.

Congrats to the race winner whose pace was mighty  ;).

Ryeman.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 23
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on June 28, 2009, 01:23:48 AM +0100
Only just got the replay - hence delay in responding.

Even more championship points to add to the ones I got at Mosport. At this rate might make double figures for the season.
Beers after work are not recommended on race nights. Had been dipping into the 1.35's all week but could only qually with a 1.36. Had a couple of customary Muppet moments but fortunately found some clear space for the rejoins. Only incident of any note was a collision with Graham on lap 13. I was in front & pretty much on the racing line i.e. don't think it was my error - may have been warp.  Took a detour across the grass but no major inconvenience.   
PS. I'm with Norm on the nicknames - from now on you shall be "No Chance" but top marks have to go to "Teddy Teabagger". Missed Glyn at the last couple of races - his post race commentaries are well worth reading.
On to Monza - one of my favourites as it only has two real braking sequences - ideal for the man with Nobrakes.
Bill.