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Practice 1: 20:00 (20 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (38 laps (=~40 mins)) note: no warmup!


Cars allowed: Jaguar Lightweight, Corvette L72 Coupe, Ferrari 275, Ford Falcon Weslake Heads, Alfa Romeo Volumetrico, Shelby GT350 SCCA, Jaguar E-Type Coupe, Jaguar E Type Roadster, Corvette Z06, Corvette L76 Roadster, Ferrari 250GT (C & B), Mustang ATCC, Falcon Sprint & Mann, BSCC GR5 Mustang, Lotus Elan, Triumph TR4, Mustang TransAM, Healey MK2, Lotus Cortina, Alpine 1300, Alfa GTA (NOTE - I will be removing any cars that "don't fit" from the choices list when I get a chance)

Weather: DRY
Track: Lime Rock Park (no Chicane) (download from  here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_limerock))
Time of Day Setting: 05:00
Start: STANDING
Minimum Pit-stops: None.


Server: [PnG2.1] UKPnG S1 Lime Rock
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
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(3) You will need to install Power and Glory v2 from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/), 2.1 patch from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/) and enable terrain patch.
(4) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=214)
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of every-one's connection will be reduced.
(6) Remember that P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function, but our gentleman's agreement is that everyone will stick to a speed limit for the pit-lane of 40mph/60kph.

IMPORTANT
UKPnG Season One will continue to use our 'clubmans' approach, the idea that the faster drivers are in the slower cars, as hopefully it should encourage more close racing.

The cars chosen can be divided into 4 chassis groups:

A
Jaguar Lightweight, Corvette L72 Coupe, Ferrari 275, Ford Falcon Weslake Heads , Alfa Romeo Volumetrico

B
Corvette Z06, Jaguar E-Type Coupe, Shelby GT350 SCCA, Corvette L76 Roadster, Alpine 1300, Falcon Mann, Alfa GTA

C
Mustang ATCC, Jaguar E Type Roadster, Ferrari 250GT 'C', Falcon Sprint, BSCC GR5 Mustang, Mustang TransAM, Lotus Cortina, Abarth(gr5), Alfa Junior

D
Ferrari 250GT 'B', Triumph TR4, Healey MK2,  Lotus Elite, Mustang NTK(gr5)


Our "regulars" can be, very roughly divided into Four groups. (If you're name's not listed below & you'd like to race with us, please say Hi on this thread & give us an idea of your pace :)

GROUP 1 can only choose from slowest chassis group D
Dan Minton, Madd, Paul 968, Ginsters, PR, Steve Holmes, Jos Verstappen, TrueTom, Jose Arrogantio, Ayrton4_94, Manteos, Pippomax.

GROUP 2  can choose between chassis C and D.
Ade, Oily, [Poodle]Keith, FMG, Watty, phspok, MJ, Mike Cook, Lazlow, Blunder, Legzy, Pepz, Tim Robey, SamB, Psuedo.

GROUP 3 can choose between chassis B, C and D.
DaveShep, Spanner, Tinman, Geoffers, Ross, Phil Gilliland, Tibernius, Picnic, 57Goldtop, Lars Sch.

GROUP 4 can choose between chassis A, B, C and D.
PaulWBird, Alex vV, Wiltshire Tony, LigelC, Sandor Mooijekind, Lorenzo Galluzzi, Bill Thomas, Oilseal, Jimmer.


Hope you all enjoy.

Here some mine laptimes

Lotus Cortina 1.05.5
Alfa GTA 1.06.5

I post my first lap times here:

Shelby GT350 SCCA: 1.03.5
Corvette z06: 1.04.8
Cortina Works: 1.06.0

These Italians are very keen  ;D

Spirito di Corsa !!  8)

Oh, no... No Z06 in my group for this race!  :'(
I was loving driving that!
Must find another tank!  ;D

LOL, you'll probably want to try out a Stang or the Vette L76 Roadster then buddy  ;D


Driver Groups updated & some early minimal shuffling of cars done.

Martin - do not fear, the L76 should do us nicely ;)

Yesterday I managed to have some laps with Alfa Romeo Volumetrico getting 1.03.7 quit regularly (car filled up with 60 liters of fuel).
Plan to have some more trials with other cars from different groups tonight.
I'll keep you posted ... ;)

Many Thanks Mark ! In reality Italy is a new country of Mars .... Didn't know that  8) ?

Apart joking, it's just because all of us really love P&G and use to have practice and practice almost every day ;D

Cheers

Don't know how you guys do it.  I'm retired and this time of the year I really don't seem to have enough time, with gardening, going with my wife to visit places and entertaining visitors.

Collect a grandson and friend on Monday for an indeterminate period - so I'll get even less time to practice.  Only saving grace, is I've raced here before in GTL.

Bill

my time:
Alfa GTA 1.05.5
cortina 1.06.0
 

Early signs are, that if there was going to be a target time, it would be about 1:06.... but there isn't  :-* ;D

Thanks for the early reconnaissance work chaps  :). Anybody else with some early lap times in the cars you're grouping is likely to let you drive?

errr, is this in the GTR2 thread instead of the PnG one?.......I am definately confused  ??? :laugh:

just noticed this is not scheduled until the 14th...how come? No tuesday race this week coming then?  :(

I'm sure DG will fix something. ;)

Have you not spotted the pattern yet MJ? We race P&G fortnightly buddy ;)

(our previous race being on the 30th June)

D'oh, no hadnt spotted that !  :P  With nothing else shown on the calendar, why not just bring it forward a week ?  :)

Go on, you know you want too  ;)

I'm going to be AWOL next week & there's no way I'm missing out on P&G!!! Holiday was planned around it (sort of) :laugh:
I kept telling you how good P&G was MJ, but you simply wouldn't listen  ::) ;)


If I get any more laptimes in today, then cool... otherwise any final tweaks to car groupings will have to wait till the 11th.

Whoops, now sorted (via Dave)  ;D

Some lap times for you Legzy.
After a few laps in each with race fuel...

chassis group: C

Ferrari 250 GT 'C'......1:05.398 (thats more like it)
Corvette L76.............1:05.527
Mustang ATCC...........1:04.915
Alpine 1300................1:04.915
Falcon Sprint...............1:07.396
Falcon Mann................1:05.149
Jag Roadster................1:04.709
Mustang BSCC GR5......1:06.943

Group 'D'
Ferrari 250 GT 'B'.........1:07.485
TR4...............................1:05.547 (good fun with loads of power diff and zero or five coast)
Healey MK2...................1:07.523
Cortina works................1:05.507
Alfa GTA.........................1:04.622

Edit:-  Looks like i took the 275 Ferrari out  :-[ ill give the right one  go and post my time (thought it was a bit quick)

Ill have a go in the class 'D' cars later.

I was going to wait till I'd done a bit more practice tonight, but if there is a deadline thenI'll put up my times so far:

250 C        1.04.5  [updated]
250 B        1.06.0 (was on for a mid 05 but messed up last corner) [updated]
Healey 2    1.06.8
TR4          1.06.1
Alfa GTA    1.05.3
Transam    1.04.9
ATCC        1.04.7
Alpine        1.03.7
SCCA         1.03.0

BSCC         1.04.1
Falcon Sprint 1.05.3
Falcon Mann  1.04.4
L76 Roadster  1.04.0
Jag Roadster  1.04.5

These were done with 10 laps fuel on.

[Now updated]

I'm looking to give the Healey/TR4/F250B particularly (plus any other at a similar pace), at least one clubmans run out this season & Lime Rock is potentially the best place for it.

So if people want a guide to what lap times they need to be hitting till I'm back, keep an eye on Paul's (or the other :alien:'s) laptimes in those three cars. If you're faster then them, then the car you're driving will probably be moved up to a group out of your reach.

So looking at Ade's (a driver of Group-C cars) times for example, early signs are that the Falcon Sprint & Mustang BSCC GR5 are probably not a million miles away. But cars like the Alpine & ATCC are going to be way too fast for his group.

Cheers guys, these early times really will make it easier not just for me but everyone.  :thumbup2:

If anyone of the Group-B car drivers has a chance to test out even just the Alpine & ATCC today... that would be great & lead to far fewer late changes next weekend.

You might want to wait - ade and I have different strengths. My tank times look quicker than his, but his 250 time is outstanding! It might need a bit more practice to get the right numbers. I'll have a go with some of Ade's cars after lunch.

I took the wrong Ferrari Paul, looks like i took the 275 GTB 'C' by mistake so disregard the 1:03.3 I've taken it off my last post and will go and get a time in the 250 GT 'C'  :laugh:

and me! the guy never listens!  :lol:

I've updated my times with the group C cars and also the 250B

I've reshuffled the groups some.

you removed the cortina from group D  :'(

Sorry Legzy, don't you think that is better to wait some lap times of drivers group 2,3,4, before re-shuffle car grouping?!?
Looking at the times posted by Paul, seems in group D there aren't choises to get a 1.05 high, apart the 250 B... that seems have a pace of 1.5-2 secs faster than the TR4 and the even more slow Healey... If someone give an idea of his pace with a car of his own group should be easier to make a choice that allows everybody get a lap time near a 1.05.xxx...
My idea is that in a so short track,if i have a difference near 5 secs between my best with a Shelby GT SCCA gr.2 (1.03.5 with 70 ltrs...), and my best with a Triumph TR4 gr.4 (1.08.6 with 20 ltrs, surely beatable but not less than 1.07 for me), with 5 secs gap seems difficult to have a close race in my opinion... even if it depends on how you train people! Maybe I'm in a wrong group looking at my race result until mosport (double 10th place for me...), even if I'm fast on a single lap... race is another thing! Anyway that is only a consideration, not a criticism! Legzy knows that i support him on clubmans and he is doing a great job, but could be better if not only the same like Me, Pippo, Ayrton, Peppe, Paul & Ade, give an idea of their pace with the group A,B & C cars, to understand the real gap between group 1 and 4 in this circuit...
Hope that will be a useful post!
Cu :)
    

Sorry Yeah, Ade who's a group lower was already too fast in it.
But.... you're a Group-D driver, if there are any of the very slow cars that I've missed that you think you could drive at about the right pace then feel free to suggest them. Maybe you could get the Abarth (gr5) or Lotus Elite or Mustang NTK (gr5) upto speed? Maybe the Alfa Junior?

Stick your times on here & I'll check when I get back.

ok, will try some cars !

lotus elite 1.06.2

 :wetfish:

yeah yeah, good job i am stubborn SOB who kept beating his lonely drum, knowing soon you would all see it made sense to race the mighty P&G  :cowboy:

Still dont know why your persisting with that old hat GTL nonsense  ;)...911's and Vettes at silverstone ?...that was screaming out for a bit of P&G sexy-ness  :tt1:

Only tried the 250-C here so far (briefly), am on mainly late 1:05's/early 1:06 race laps at present. Great car and another good track..though its slightly lacking compared to the I-racing version  :o

Ideally yes. But I'm going to be away & wish to avoid as many late changes as possible, so am preempting the likely changes now.


I'm confident Paul (or any of his group) can improve his TR4 & Healey times over the next 11 days.


I understand your concerns. But not only will the slower drivers be not be matching your laptimes in the SCCA, but your group of faster drivers will surely make less mistakes during the race. Of course, if the feild is truely balanced, then it's always possible that a driver not from the  :alien:'s group might get a sniff at winning a race 8)


LOL. I was so pleased at the last race when not a single person suggested they were in the wrong group or asked to be able to take a quicker car  :laugh:. As I say on my promotion posts, if you think you're in the wrong group, please PM me & we'll "discuss" it. ;)


Understood  :) & yes it would be great to get times from the less fast group drivers.

Updated now with more respectable times for the TR4 and Healey. The Healey has no chance at all, but the TR4 might just hang on. I can't see it competing with the group C cars much though.   

Thanks everyone who's putting their time into this.
I've added a couple more potential cars for the slowest group... let me know if they don't fit?

Oily, he's taken that off us now!  :'(  :lol:

I agree that we need to see some times from those in the other groups to make a comparison.

Thanx for your answer Legzy :)! Anyway seems that I've to train more with the Triumph  :scooter: :scooter: :dots:  ;)

hi hall!!!
Manteos di per cortesia loro che vorrei partecipare alle prossime gare grazie
famme sape ;D

Benvenuto King,
Si prega di dirci qualche giro con le vetture elencate. Abbiamo poi messo in gruppo i driver corretti.
Manteos spiegherà se non mi capisce.
Grazie
Chris
(English = Welcome, post some laptimes here, thanks  ;))

I think that Luigi (King) is not so able to speak english :), but he is another Team mate of VDA, and he would like to join some races with us in UKPnG. I'm gonna make him a smart english course to post his lap times very soon :), otherwise i will post some lap times for him  :wetfish:... I hope you don't mind :)

1:06s in Abarth Gr5, quali, with a lucky 1:05s inbetween.

Lovely Manteos, very good of you.
You must have been recruiting for the UK v Italian end of season fun race? You're obviously worried ;)

250 B        1:06.6
TR4           1:05.5 (This car is soooo much fun  :))
Alfa GTA    1:04.6

All done with about 10 laps of fuel.

You write so well in Italian Legzy! Are you borned here :)?!? or is all due to such a great invention like the "Google translator"  :) :) :) :)
Thx for the Italian welcome to Luigi! Nice stuff :)!
 

Couldn't manage to get the ATCC round the track, just couldn't control it at all.
Managed a 1:05.3 in the Alpine 1300, normal lap time though was in the high 1:05s. That's with what the menu claimed was 40 laps worth of fuel.
Managed to get the 1310 Mini down to 1:08s as well.

Yep, for sure! If I remember correctly we already talk about a fun event Italy vs UK, and i was not joking...
Could be really a great race... I'll try to organize it in every way... Anyway recruitment is going pretty well at the moment :)!
I've no fear of competitions... lol  :) :) :)

Thanks Tibs.


My secret is out :-[


Totally agree Jose & nice time by the way!

My secret is out :-[
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sometimes i even use it... :surrender: :surrender:

confused.com

Thought I'd test it anyway, see if it was anywhere near the pace. Maybe one for Group D?

Oh, the 1275 S Mini Cooper, sorry, thought you were getting your races mixed  :)

BTW is there a file I can interrogate when P&G is not running to get my times from? I keep forgetting to write them down and it's a PITA to just run the sim to only get times.

couple more times from me after some laps last night

1:05.8 in the L76 Roadster
1:06.2 in the Mustang ATCC
1:05.4 in the F250-C

The L76 is great fun here, Mustang would just be another arm wrestling match for 40minutes.

D'oh !!...just noticed you have now taken the L76 out of my group  :taz: the car i have now done most laps in around here  ::) ...ah, well i can always use the setup another time.  :-*

Tony just open your career file with notepad or wordpad to see all  your best lap times.

Edit:- just found this Tony 8) think it will help.

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=12075

Some more lap times, again with about 10 laps of fuel.

Abarth - gr5            1:06.6
Lotus Elite               1:06.7
Mustang NTK - gr5   1:05.9
Alfa Junior               1:06.2

Thanks Ade, just downloaded now and will test later.

managed to injure my wrist cartillage and tendons in left arm & hand at the weekend, hospital said could take upto 3 weeks to recover so now not sure when i will be back racing  :'(

Bummer  :(

Missus will be pleased. ;)  Get better soon, before S10 for sure! :taz:

Ciao my time
alpine 1.04,8
alfa gta 1.06.5
fiat 1000 gr5 1.07,xx

hello ciao
new my record time
alpine 1.03.8 ;D

Oh dear Mark, I wish you a fast recover.  ;)

That's bad news. I had tendon damage to my thumb and it takes weeks to get better and it can be aggravated again real easy. In the end I had a cortisone jab to help it heal. Must say it did the trick.

Here is some times that I made after a few laps in each car:  :)

Alfa GTA: 1:06.4
Lotus Cortina: 1:06.8
Alpine 1300: 1:04. 6

Thanks King. Looks like you should take the "Chassis Group D" cars (Like Manteos)

Hi API, thanks for that. Looks like you should take the "Chassis Group D" cars like TrueTom.
Look forward to seeing you on track.

Looks like we'll be able to use these extra cars, thanks to those that did that  :)
Anybody else want to post any times for any of the cars from your group to help finalise groupings today?

Keep 1:06 in mind when choosing your car to race with (but that's not an official target :whistling:).

Some more lap times:  8)

Ferrari 250GT B: 1:07.4
Triumph TR4: 1:06.7
Healey MK2: 1:07.9
Abarth (gr5): 1:05.8
Lotus Elite: 1:06.5
Mustang NTK (gr5): 1:06.4
Alfa Junior: 1:05.9

That is the Live Timing Stats of VDA Team:

http://62.149.209.93/LiveTiming2/lt/statistiche.aspx

I hope that will be useful for car groupings :)

Anyway only for Legzy :=) i post here only the best lap times for each car of Group D:
[VDA] Ayrton4_94    1:04.260      05/07/2009     Gr5   Abarth 1000TC Gr5
[VDA] Pippomox            1:04.445      05/07/2009     Gr5   Abarth 1000TC Gr5
[VDA] Ayrton4_94    1:04.428      07/07/2009     Gr2   Alfa Romeo 1300 GTA Junior
[VDA] Manteos            1:04.651      11/07/2009     Gr2   Alfa Romeo 1300 GTA Junior
[VDA] Pippomox            1:04.701      07/07/2009     Gr2   Alfa Romeo 1300 GTA Junior
[VDA] IvAlAx            1:04.844      11/07/2009     Gr2   Alfa Romeo 1300 GTA Junior
[VDA] Manteos            1:04.994      12/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
[VDA] Ayrton4_94    1:05.409      05/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
[VDA] Pippomox            1:05.707      04/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
[VDA] Peppe            1:06.210      12/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
(VDA) King                    1:06.439      12/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
[VDA] Manteos            1:05.131      11/07/2009     Gr3-2L   Lotus Elite
[VDA]IvAlAx            1:05.504      11/07/2009     Gr3-2L   Lotus Elite
[VDA] Peppe            1:05.675      12/07/2009     Gr3-2L   Lotus Elite
(VDA) King                    1:06.469      02/07/2009     Gr2   Alfa Romeo GTA
[VDA] Peppe            1:06.488      03/07/2009     Gr5   Ford Mustang NTK Gr5 (but only with 3 laps for peppe... i think that it's possible to go down quite a lot!)
[VDA] Ayrton4_94    1:06.670      05/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Ferrari 250 GT SWB Berlinetta
[VDA] Ayrton4_94    1:06.915      05/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Austin Healey 3000 MK II

Seems that Abarth 1000 and Alfa junior got something more than others of his group. Maybe that cars should be put in the C chassis, and leave the rest available, even if i think that Ferrari GT B and the Healey are the slowest in group D, and have no chance against the TR4, Elite, and probably the Mustang.... The GTA could be bring in the chassis B, and the Volumetrico in A.  That's only my opinion, i wait for some other opinions, especially that of Ade and Paul, that have turned a lot with some group D cars
Regarding the drivers groupings i suggest to you to put King & Ivalax in the Group 2 with Peppe, and leave me and Pippomox in the 1st, for the moment... If they demonstrates some progress on the single lap, they can gain the promotions in 1st group. I wait for your opinions guys! Cu all!

Edit: I added new best laps with Triumph TR 4 and the Lotus Elite, and a couple of times for King and Ivalax. Especially Ivalax it's so near to the 1st group laptimes now, but we will wait for Tuesday to see others bestlaps... I think that 1.06 sounds a little bit higher as time limit for the group D drivers reading the bestlaps posted by Ade and Paul... Hope in some clarification for tomorrow evening to make our car choice! Thank you :)!

Hello..my times:

[VDA] IvAlAx:

GTA : 1.4.2XX
GTAJ: 1.4.8XX
Elite:  1.5.5XX

bye

Hi & Welcome IvAlAx
Looks like you need to be driving the Group-D cars (like Manteos & King), see you on Tuesday.

I've updated the Chassis groupings (hopefully for the last time), so check the 2nd post in the thread again to check which cars have moved.

Having been on the server yesterday with a lot of the fast group (in the slowest cars), it seems like 1:05's will be hit regularly by them. (though I still can't hit a 1:06 myself  :lol:)

Which cars in groups D were doing 1.05s legzy, and by whom?

I agree with you regarding the group D for Ivalax, but for King i think that it would be so difficult at the moment, to have a pace near the 1.06 with the Group D cars. Surely he isn't faster than people like Peppe or Ade at the moment, and group D would be only a penalty for him... Like i said for Ivalax yesterday, if he improve his laptime, i'll let you know!

To answer at the Paul's question:

[VDA] Manteos            1:04.994      12/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
[VDA] Ayrton4_94    1:05.409      05/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
[VDA] Pippomox            1:05.707      04/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
[VDA] Peppe            1:06.210      12/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
(VDA) King                    1:06.439      12/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4

[VDA] Manteos            1:05.131      11/07/2009     Gr3-2L   Lotus Elite
[VDA]IvAlAx            1:05.504      11/07/2009     Gr3-2L   Lotus Elite
[VDA] Peppe            1:05.675      12/07/2009     Gr3-2L   Lotus Elite

Ade:TR4...............................1:05.547 (good fun with loads of power diff and zero or five coast)
Paul968: TR4          1.06.1
Jos Verstappen: lotus elite 1.06.2
Jose Arrogantio: TR4           1:05.5 (This car is soooo much fun  Smiley)
Jose Arrogantio: Mustang NTK - gr5   1:05.9

These are the laptimes i find in this post about the group D drivers... seems that we are so close... I avoid to put here the times of the 250 GTB and the Healey, because as i said yesterday seems that have no chances in comparison of the others in group D. I Hope to be useful as ever :)

Looks like you have your work cut out to beat the Italian Legions Paul !  :o

'Your mission', should you choose to accept it  ;D

touch and go whether i will be able to race here tuesday, this track needs lots of steering input so not sure my wrist would be able to cope. I havent been able to do any praccy here since over a week ago.  :'( but my hands getting better by the day. :)

Thx Manteos - rather as I thought. Not tried the elite, but I'm impressed with a 1.04 in the TR4! The NTK is certainly capable of 05s (bets of 1,05.0 so far) but will probably eat its tyres a lot.

I managed the 1.04.994 (that means 1.05.0 :)) in qualif 1 session with 15 litres of fuel and it was such a good lap... In practice 1 i was 2 tenth slower... Anyway I agree that the TR4 with a good setup is very funny! With some right modifies to setup i cut quite 1.5 second from by previous best!
Cu on Tuesday!

Hi..
I'm icarus17, another driver from italian VDA team.
I would be happy to participate, if possible, to the next race at Lime Rock Park..
I'm a tail driver of the fast VDA Team.. (1.04/1.05 with Alpine 1300) and I've not understand in wich category I?ve have to choose the car..
Please help me..
Thx

I have faith in King having an enjoyable race in the Group-D cars (just hope I can keep up!). I'm happy with my decision that he starts with the Group-D chassis (like Ivalax). :)

Hi icarus17 & welcome. You probably know more people here then me now  ;) ;D
How about you join Pepz & drive the Chasis Group-C cars


Hope you're not as fast as the rest of your team?  ;) See you on track.

Can we have a group E?

I'm sure I remember DAF doing a TC version of the Variomatic ;D

You had a good drive tonight in GTR2 Goldtop, but I'm not sure you're ready for Group-E yet  ;)

Ok Legzy! You are the commander! Anyway Luigi is improving so much his times, and now seems ready to race in Group D cars! I'm sure that he can make a good result, like all my other Team mates!
Regarding the new entry Icarus, he is not fast like us at the moment, cause he did only a few laps of practice around the Track, and group C seems a good choice to start. As for the other drivers of VDA i'll let you know if he is improving his laptimes. Cu :)
 

Just an idea....but wouldn't it be best to post lap times that are based on either "Race Setup" or "Quali Setup". Then it would make things easier and clearer to identifing the differences between the cars?

Laz

Pha! This swapping the rigs among groups took away my ride again. Not all of us can do 5s with everything  :(

Hello Legzy,
thnaks for info  :)...see on track tomorrow evening !!!

Bye

Should be a good idea, but here the Fuel consumption for the Group D cars is very low... All our Laptimes posted are done with race fuel, except for Triumph... i think that with qualy fuel we can go down approximately of 3-4 tenth of second.
The main question is that some of you haven't posted any laptime yet, and I'm sure that with no training it would be difficult for anyone to be competitive with some drivers like us, that turned around this track an average of 350-400 laps only in our VDA server...
When i arrived here i saw that the spirit of this Champ was to let the slower drivers be in the first places of a race, and it's a great idea the structure of this champ with the Clubman formula, but at the same time if the slowest drivers doesn't train, they would have only few chances to compete at all. When our team prepares a Champ race, usually do it with a spirit to be competitve for the final victory and not only for fun. Otherwise when i prepare a fun event i make only few laps to train myself, and however I enjoy so much in that races...
That's probably due, as i said on Saturday to Legzy, to your large number of races that you have during the week, while, on the other side, we have no other champ races except the PnG champ at the moment, and we are concentrated to do our best here, even try to help you in the event preparation about car groupings.
About all of you I can only say that are always the same drivers that post their lap times apart from us (Paul, Ade, J. Arrogantio, Jos Verstappen, any API) and it's not difficult to see that our ayrton's first time posted here was a 1.06.xx with the Alfa GTA, and after 2 weeks of training, me and Pippomox achieved a 1.03.9 with Alfa GTA... I think it's only a question of training, but if I' ve to consider this like a Champ, i'm gonna train much than I would have train for a fun event.
Frankly I don't know what you think about this, but for me a Champ mean that you have to train a lot, to make a good result. If anyone drive a faster car with a bad knowledge of the track he wouldn't obtain a great result. That's my thought!
Mine is an observation, not criticism! Hope that you agree with mine observation :)
Cu :)

Crikey !  your making us all look like clubmen amateurs  :laugh:  :-[

Times from me in other cars in my group:

Jag E-type roadster 1:05.4
Mustang ATCC 1:05.2  (i think 1:04's are possible in this so may want to move it a group?)
Mustang Transam 1:05.4

Only a handful of laps in each car.

Good news is it looks like i should be fit enough to race tomorrow...yayy !  :)  I just need to remember to lay off the opposite lock fun  :-X

 :eek:
I haven't done a single lap yet.  ::)  Was planning to make a couple of laps tonight. And I mean a couple.
Imagine 400 laps of practice.......my wife would kill me if I make 10..... :wetfish:

Without your life you couldn't play anymore to GTR2, and however I don't want to have your life on my conscience... I think in your case it's better if you play less than us :)!

Thought I'd give this PnG lark a go after seeing the PnG race threads reach 6 or so pages before the race had even started :)

Anyway, I'm now a convert and would like to join the PnG masses please. I've only really tried the Alpine so far where I get a qualifying time of 1.04.8 - is that time ok for me to stick with that car?

I'm a bit concerned with server capacity - is it still 25 max? I certainly don't want to join a few races in and deprive someone of a spot who has been there from the off.

I've spent a couple of hours total learning the track and trying various cars over the last week or so and I've settled on the Alpine. Fastest time is 1:05.0xx with approx 10 laps worth of fuel. I'm happy that I'm in the correct group and I look forward to some close racing.

Hi Manteos, I appreciate your points regarding fun events and championships and I admire you and your team's commitment towards preparation and the feedback you give us regarding progress. Personally I enjoy seeing the top drivers battling it out up front in championship races. I also think that clubman events should be about the fast guys battling it out alongside the slower guys. My earlier tongue in cheek post about a group E hinted at this. I still think that over the course of a championship, particularly with Legzy's ongoing ability adjustments, the best drivers and the best prepared drivers will still be at the top and deservingly so.

Were only two races into the series so I'm sure we can squeeze you in. BTW the general consensus is that server capacity is 28. After that things get a bit flakey. Now I hope you've done your 1000 laps of practise  ;)

Will be great to have you with us  ;D

Sounds like you may be heading in the direction of being a bit quick... but it's your first go at P&G & it's so late in the day, so how about you load you fuel tank up with fuel & maybe pick harder tyres  :-\ You might also want to try the Abarth(gr5). It drives quite similar to the Alpine (tail happy fun) but a fraction slower. I'll leave it in your hands.

See you on the server.

I managed to find some time for a few laps last night on the server and I'm struggling on pace, I find it is a tough track, it's too easy to push too hard and that really spoils my laptimes.

My best times are - with ~20 laps fuel are:

Jag E-type Roadster: 1:07.1
Ferrari 250GT C: 1.07.4
Lotus Cortina Works: 1:07.5
Mustang ATCC: 1:07.7
Abarth Gp5: 1.08.8

Will probably go with the Cortina tonight, I'm the most consistent with it. Hopefully there will be some other slowcoaches to keep me company  ;)

This is the only time I've been accused of this on these forums - I think I'll frame it :)

I'll give the Abarth a go as per your suggestion.

the only problem i foresee with someone taking an Abarth is if they make contact with a mustang they will disapear off into the boonies in small pieces !  :o  ;D

Legzy, in order to give you more insight about Alpine vs Abarth differences let me post my best times with these 2 cars :

Alpine 1300 --> 1.02.7
Abarth (gr5) --> 1.04.0

Both times have been archivied with soft tires and fuel enough to end the 38 lap's race.
My feeling is that Apline could be even faster than this with more practice (but not more than 2~3 tenths of sec) while I don't see too much room of improving for the Abarth (at least for my possibility). The problem with the Abarth is that the top speed is very limited compared to other cars. This implies that you can get very good laps if you have free track in front of you (thanks to its suberb handling), but I foresee some troubles battling with fastest cars during the race ...
Hope this helps  ;)

I did ridiculus 10 laps in an Abarth, which is now in C group cars.  :P  I think I'll rather take my wife out for a walk and some icecream.  ;)  Have fun.  :)   

stop belly-aching and get in a Fezza 250-B  :P

I was hoping to take the Transam Stang tonight after enjoying it so much at Brands. I can set decent times in it and it feels great around here but my 'limp' wrist isnt up to it. I will be in a shiny dark F250-C  8)

Not getting the best vibe with this Abarth ;) I'll have a practice with it but I'll have a heavy Alpine on standby if it goes awry...

I can't believe it. Start was good, I was passing the Abarth in front of me,
sudenly there was an Alfa parked half on tarmac, half on grass.  :scared:
I went to the right on the grass to avoid hitting it and right when I got back on track I got a
DQ because I "left pits under red lights".  :cursing: No more comments!  :censored:
My race last 20 meters.  >:(
We need a new leader in FIA. ;D

Argh, bit of a missed opportunity. Seems I was the only one with enough idiocy to take the Abarth tonight and it was terrific fun, although it did want to bite my head off on more than one occasion! Qualified 9th and thanks to the engine in the rear, I had a terrific start and was up to 3rd by a couple of corners. Then I found out just how underpowered the Abarth really is as everyone with their superior grunt breezed past me.

Eventually I found myself driving my own race in 6th until Ross caught me up and passed me, demoting me down to 7th. I clipped the kerb at Uphill corner and the Abarth just spun around leaving me helpless on the racing line. Unfortunately, someone was unsighted going over the rise smashed into me at epic speed. Sorry about the roadblock! The car was in a terrible state but rather than packing it in, I drove into the pit-lane ala Gilles Villeneuve style, fixed the car and drove out about 2 laps down on the rest of the pack. It was then the game said it was resyncronising me at 456ms  :o. I quit instantly, not wanting to be a warping menace.

I hope my internet connection wasn't that dire all race but I'm not sure how I can view my own ping. Either I wasn't bothering you, or you're all far too kind when it comes to my internet connection. Here's hoping my internet will improve although if it remains substandard, I'll be forced to stop racing in PnG.

I want just to apologize with Tibernius to have touched his back in the first lap .... I'm desolate about that !!!! Really this is not my style of driving but I was very laggy at the race start when all the cars were very close each other ..... I've been very nervous due to this contact for all my short stay in the race  :(
Sorry again to have ruined your race Tibernius !!! Hope you do not bear me a grudge ....
I don't want to add any more comment to this race .... I feel to much Shame  !!!!

Will just say tonight, sorry to whoever I bumped at the start?
You hardly moved and I let off twice before the bump!
 :-\

GUYS, I ENJOYED TONIGHT LOADS.... BUT I SAW/HEARD SO MUCH SHOCKING DRIVING... PLEASE CAN I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOG INCIDENT REPORTS.
THEY ARE THERE TO HELP US ALL IMPROVE OUR DRIVING & ENJOYMENT.


Don't start a slanging match on the forum.

I think you're an optimist, Legzy.  :(

Can you upload the server replay pls Legz

i thought that was great fun but very hard work !  :) It felt like an hour long race to me, lap after lap of steering input, my poor blinking paw  :(

Qually was a disaster for me even with a 1:05 time. Thought i would improve upon it but the higher track temps made me slip slide all over the place.

Race was great, awesome lighting effects at this track, well chosen Tony and Legz  8) Loved the way the back half of track was darker and the sunlight flickering through the trees and shining off the track surface  :tt1: La Bella Vista as our Italian friends would say !

Kept my own station most of the race, gradually moving up the field as others made mistakes or fell off. Had some good fights along the way with Alpines and Elites harassing me, only staying ahead with my power on the straights.
Eventually worked my way upto 6th and stayed there for about 10 laps with Paul and Tibs in hot pursuit. Looked like 6th was on the cards for the finish as was always able to stay 1-2 secs ahead of them.
Then with about 5 laps to go one of my galloping Black horses got carried away and the car shot off backwards in the fastest corner on track (downhill curve) and span several times without hitting anything but losing me 6 places  :'( Gutted, that was my only off all race and so costly  :(

Finished an annoying 12th despite setting a string of 1:05s chasing API down in the closing laps.

well done to Blunder and the pody guys  :thumbup1:  what happened to Bill?...thought he lead most of race? Great to see Tibs and Bill upfront which proves the clubmens principle is working well....despite all those 1:04s people suddenly 'found'  ;)

I didnt see any contacts on track though there were a few dodgy rejoins by some onto racing line, but quite a narrow area in some places so cant really complain too much.

Apologies for the carnage I caused at T1 lap2. Complete lack of judgement and totally my fault :-[ :-[ :-[

Firstly, my apologies to who ever it was I totally smacked into on the s/f straight during qualy. You were recovering, I thought I'd left enough room and smack I hit you. Very sorry completely my bad. However it was still early in qualy so I'm confident that you were able to get a few more good laps in.
I choose completely the wrong car for the circuit but it's still all a learning thing so I don't feel that bad about it. Just a shame I wasn't more competitive as I truly love this circuit. I retired early as I was only going to be getting in the way of the fast guys and glad I did because I was able to watch the closing act of the Blunder -v- Ross battle, most enjoyable guys, shame the best man didn't win  :P ;) ;D

Samb I did see you warp once in quali for a fraction of a second and then you were ok!
and saw nothing in the race!
Must be a very minor issue!?

M.

I apologize with Paul for the contact, but as ever it's very difficult to stay so close with such 2 different cars... after this contact i get so nervous that i started to make 3-4 mistakes in row... and my race was over... Same thing is for the contact with Ade but at least you haven't lost any position... anyway deep apologize to both of you!
Good fights with Api and some other drivers, funny race as ever, and the car groupings seemed pretty good!
Congrats to the podium, and to all finishers!
I have only an observation guys, the Lotus Elan was not in any car group, that's not correct in my opinion... Tell me if you think I'm wrong... That's not a critic, but if we have 4 groups of car, that choice should be done in that groups. That's all... see you at the next :)

I think that was me. I actually made a decent start but the car in front of me (Ross?) didn’t move so I slammed on my brakes to avoid hitting him and then you ploughed in to the back of me. Lost about 10 places but it was not your fault.
My little Lotus never stud a chance against your American tank, it was a bit like Bernie Ecclestone being hit by a bus, just not as funny.  :surrender:

Congratulations to the podium. :D
Unlucky for me when i was 7th and my pc (its very old) freeze and i go to the mountain !!!
Nice duel with legzy in final lap...and see next race...

bye

Well, the result was disappointing but the racing was great! Took the NTK knowing it would be rough in the 2nd half, but it felt more fun to drive than the other group D cars.

With a new graphics card I had a CTD in practice followed by the same thing in qual, so I then had to shut the PC down, swap the card out for the old one, reboot and then hope it still all worked. Luckily it did, albeit with less fps, and I managed to set a decent qual time, still only good enough for mid field. Off the start line I got a good one, but cars seemed to appear in front of me all the time, which was disconcerting. Even so, I made up several places before T1. The grunt of the mustang and mistakes from those ahead gave me a few more places, and before I knew it I was 2nd! Bill was 7 secs up the road tho and not slowing down, and Blunder was catching up in his monster atcc. When I went a bit wide both he and Jose nipped past, leaving me to fend off MAD in his little lotus. I felt I had the measure of him as the only place I was vulnerable was T2/3, but after several laps he just tapped my rear and swung me round. He waited (thx), but we both lost a couple of places. Then I had manteos to deal with, and it was just the same - several laps of yoyo-ing followed by a tap at exactly the same place with exactly the same result! He also waited, and again we both lost a couple more places. After that it was Tibernius in his alpine. He was even slower in a straight line but even quicker in the laps, added to which my tyres were well past their best by then. We had an epic battle for several laps before he squeezed ahead through 2/3 and I couldn't get back in front despite the power. I held on after that to finish 7th, which in the circumstances I'm pretty happy with. Overall the tank was hard work, but the race was fantastically intense from start to finish, and you can't ask for more than that - great stuff  :) Congrats to the podium  :clap:

Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20090714%20P1/index.html)

Thanks Picnic :thumbup2:

oh crap, tottally forgot about this race!  :'(

Morning All,

How chuffed am I this morning!
Will be skippoing round the office all day!
Only my second win in 3 years on this forum! ;D

Did a lot more practice for this than I have done in a while!
Tried lots of car combinations but was quickest in the ATCC which I believe was in theory the quickest in my
allowed group! Only issue was it ate tyres! I qualified almost a second quicker than I had ever done in it! On the soft tyres with no fuel!
but knew I had to run the hardest tyres in the race. I had done a a race offline so knew the second half of the race would just be a case of hanging on as the tyres get fried!

Had a bump with Jose, ( Sorry buddy ) at the start. I think the race starting before the 2mins was up caught a few people out!?
Lots of great battles but eventually settled down to fighting off the mighty Jose and Ross. Those little roller skates were no match for the power of the Stang but were all over me through turns 2 and 3 as Paul described.
Tried to give as much room when necessary but we did have a few 'rubbing' moments! All fair in my eyes!
Was slowly catching Bill but once we were in traffic then it was tough!
Don't know what to say to Bill.....
He obviously had an issue between the last corner and the finish line as I powered down the last straight and pipped him to the line!
I doubt you are best pleased with that!  :-\
You deserved the win Bill, sorry to have pinched it!

Thanks all, wow that was fun!
Don't know how you drive those roller skates so fast? I tried all of them and was way off pace!
Give me a heavy tank anytime!  ;D

Big congrats Martin, feels great to get a rare win when your one of us mortal types  :clap:  feel really sorry for poor Bill though, he would have been the Mark Webber of the grid winning this week, unlucky mate   :(

I am disapointed with my result again, thats two P&G races in a row where i've had a top 6 finish on the cards and then gone off with a handful of laps remaining. :'( I just got spat off without warning in the dying laps last night, despite a 70% power diff lock to tame the horses, in that downhill kink. >:(

A couple of niggles from last night. One, there seemed quite a lot of discos happening in praccy? is that still server troubles that occured all through last season in GTR2 ?
Two, there seemed to be some lag/warping going on in lap 1, and that seemed to cause some of the contacts happening through turns 1-3..perhaps again server trouble?
Three, yet again, we had 30 degrees or more temperature even though it was a dusk/dawn setting  ??? Cant we put a limit on that temp unless we are racing at a tropical/desert track ? Dont know about anyone else but i dont set my cars up in 30+ temps and last night my rears were melting within 10 laps of a 38 lap race and yet they had been okay in all my pre race praccy.

Another great track with these cars though and the lighting conditions made it even look even more tasty :thumbup1:

Thanks picnic, but the zip file contains the wrong replay, it is last Thursday's Brands race  ::)

My race report will come later.....

Everybody's thrilled !!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Well, I'm not! Was thinking a lot weather to post this or not. Decided to do it and SOME things must be posted on the forum as it concerns all, not just the two drivers involved. AND: this is not to diminish Legzy's work, he doing a wonderful job.  :yes:

Q2: I had a CTD in Q2 and when I came back I had about 15 minutes left. In all that time I didn't have a single clean lap. Not one. Saw drivers insist on driving fast after they compromised their lap. You then compromise others as well.
If I'm on my fast lap in Q2 I'm NOT jumping away from another driver, even if he's currently placed higher than me. Why the :censored: do you think I'm driving my fast lap? To be punted by that same driver is unforgivable.

start was a frenzy but it was to be expected. Too bad to see Lazlow try and be placed sideways on track over and over. Bad luck, buddy.  :(

I had some close laps. Close? Aha, a few times. I think VDA King waited for me to rejoin, don't remember others. Reports? Nah, too many.

Let's change some rules, shall we?

Contacts: permitted. Fun, even? Fine with me, I'm in.  :clap:  (red mist to high heaven)
Qualifying: not necessary
Weather: dry, always - god forbid if anyone should actualy have to adapt to anything different than the 10000 practice laps. Not having anything against practice, fine if you have enough will to do it  :wacko:
Lapping:  :censored:
After race whining: sure, only the slow farts will do it  :thumbup2:

Edit, Edit, Edit, Edit.

Might listen to my intuition next time. Or shut up?  :-X

Open fire :2guns: tumbleweed

TT

That is exactly what a locked diff does Mark! It grips and grips until it doesn't, at which point you are rapidly going sideways  :o

yes i know, alas it didnt try to do it to me in the other 37 laps  :( hence me being caught out by it suddenly breaking away like that, late in the race. I think my rears were red hot by that point and that combined with the tyres leaving the track surface over the dip was enough to spit me sideways at high speed. Shame but hey ho, thats racing. I only had that higher diff to keep the rears from spinning so much on corner exit, especially at the base of that downhill curve onto the s/f straight.

TT, have you taken your medication this morning?  ;)

I often soften the diff off for a race because it makes the car more controllable under power, if a little slower.

Just a quick post for the moment to apologise for my poor start which caused some problems - I was waiting for the GTL countdown and then when the lights turned green and I realised my mistake I had no revs and bogged down - sorry about that.

Also, sorry to T Robey for the bump when lapping you near the end - more of a race incident I think but I'm really sorry that you came off worse - I figured you'd decided you were going to take the corner before me so I dropped back in behind you just as you hit the brakes earlier than I was expecting and it caught me out - I've clearly got to work on my 'getting past back markers cleanly' technique as I did the same at Silverstone to Oilseal.

Other than that, it was a pretty good race, had plenty of fun recovering from an early spin before having a hard time trying to get past Blunder while keeping Jose behind me.  Well done to Blunder for keeping that big tank on the track through the corners!

Bill - amazing pace last night and sorry to hear about the bad fortune at the end.  You clearly deserved the win there.

Cheers, Ross.

I know it's gonna be ME the problem again - not the thing I wrote about.  :D  Maybe I'm spoiling the overall great impression.  ;) 

Alas, that got me thinking: "When you're the only one seeing the real problem and going in one direction while all others flee the other way, it's time to reconsider your philosophy".  :P

I must apologize to Bill as it was an incident with me that deprived him of the win :( I felt more than a bit guilty to see Blunder zoom pass and take the win. I did wait for him but the damage had been done.

Apart from that I did enjoy the race but it was carnage at times, which was a bit of a shock after being used to the comparatively sedate GTR leagues.

I heavily fueled the alpine for both qual and the race to try and offset it's advantage, which worked as I qualified in 14th :) Had a poor race start as pippomox in front of me missed the lights and I was stranded. From there I was determined to see out the 1st few laps without incident but was unlucky with getting caught up with incidents in front of me and I couldn't get a rhythm together.

So, from 24th place I started to get things together and move back through to 15th (sorry for nudging you Oily). With about 15 laps to go Bill caught me and then seemingly easily lapped me, but then slowed up and I passed again. This pattern carried on for the remainder of the race. It seemed to me that Bill was bored and wanted to race someone. Is that right Bill?

Anyway, it was a hell of a lot of fun dicing with Bill until the last corner where I was tucked up behind him going into the pit straight and he lifted (possibly?) and I nudged him sending him off the track. Sorry again.

TT, I can understand your frustration - I saw you punted off at T1 and the driver just sped off. I'm not really sure why the carnage level was so high; maybe a combination of the narrow track and different attributes of the car classes. It was fun though.

 

 

Just a minor thought on qualifying as it was so busy on track during Q2 last night - would it be worth saying that if you're on a hot lap, you should put your headlights on for the duration of the hotlap to show others infront/behind that you're on one?

Of course, it would need people to remember to turn them on/off which I guess may be a good reason to not do this.

Cheers, Ross.

I must say that I have to agree with your #123 post. I have been seeing some behavior
that I was not used to before. Perhaps it would be better everybody pay atention at Legzy's #106 post.
And it is true what you said about qualifying sessions, people who lost their hot lap and just continue
as they still were on it, ruining hot laps for another drivers.
Behaviors I have saw at both GTL and P&G.

oh man, thats gotta hurt.  :( I very much doubt Bill wanted to 'race you' when running 1st and on for his first win ever? whilst you were 15th+  :-X  Think you might be up for the attention of the stewards unfortunately. Backmarkers should not be trying to race the front runners  :wetfish:

As you say Mcfids the damage was done.  It wasn't that I was bored, it was just that you were faster than me on the slower bits at and after T1.  I was keeping an eye on the gap back to second and trying to keep it at about 4 to 5 secs and I guess you must have been lapping about the same as second.  As a result every time I speeded up I drew away from you but when I eased off on the slower section you caught up.  When I let you pass again to keep out of my way the gap came down and I had to pass you again.  Most frustrating actually as I couldn't relax and drive my own race.

That was my kind of track, no hairpins or stupid chicanes just nice long fast corners.  I'd got the Elan setup just right to drive through the fast bends virtually flat.  Much to my surprise I had fastest time in practice and was just pipped in the dying moments of qualifying by Tibs.  Made my usual beautiful clutch start, no one in front for a change to baulk me, pulled out about an 8 sec lead at the end of lap 1.  Madd-Rip worked that down to about 1.5 sec by lap 4 or 5, then he disappeared and after that I had no problem keeping a safe cushion until I passed Mcfids.  I had a bit of trouble with some cars holding me up by not moving over or lifting to let me by and had to be a bit more aggressive than usual but otherwise it was a nice drive.

Just a pity I didn't get my win.

Bill

Ps Well put Mark

I my opinion there were several reasons for the large amount of incidents last night.
1) The large speed differential between the cars. Blunders Mustang would gain over a second on the s/f straight but my Elite would be right behind again after the first couple of corners.
2) Lime Rock Park only has one fast line so passing is hard. The first section has much more camber on the inside of the corners so passing is really hard unless the leading driver makes a mistake and runs wide. All the other corners are med/high speed with small/no braking zones so passing is again difficult.
3) Lapped drivers not getting out the way and lapping drivers being overambitious. This was not helped by the first two points. I found it very difficult to lap cars that were a lot faster down the straights than me as I then had to fight my way passed in the bends unless the lapped drivers yielded. Sorry to anyone who thinks I was overambitious.
4) Some of the cars in the midfield were not visible at the start. I had a look at my replay immediately after the race and found that about 10 cars were invisible, don’t know if it was just my replay or if they were invisible during the race.

I think the number of incidents could have been reduced if the lapped drivers just got right out of the way of the faster cars, especially on such a short track. May be we should consider having rolling starts also.
Having said that this was my most enjoyable P&G race yet, fighting with Blunder was very much good fun.
;D
Well done Bill and Blunder!

This sound like a very good idea to me  :thumbup1:

Are you sure that was me ? I started in 4th (thus quit far from the 14th pos ...) and don't remember to have had any problem at the start like you're saying. Anyway I was a bit laggy at the start and maybe this could be the reason why you saw me miss the lights . Sorry about that !

Deepest Apologies all.  With vistors only leaving Monday I really didn't have time to keep track of permitted cars.  When the track was put up I did a few laps in the Elan and E Type and that was it.  Elan was available on line so naturally I drove it.


Disqualified!!!

Bil

1) i thought that would happen when i saw a real mix of fast GT cars and nimble touring cars but must say that every car i met on track last night raced me admirably whether they were quicker or slower. It was obvious the alpines and elites were way quicker than me through the twisties but they made realistic stabbing attacks rather than blatant contact. Good racing.
2) agree
3) again, i found most lapped cars did the sensible thing and waited until the s/f straight to ease over and allow lapping cars through. Good driving i thought.
4) wash your mouth out with soap, we dont want lame rolling starts for classic car racing  >:( its all part of the racing fun.

I've always thought the headlights on in qually when on a hot lap was the ideal way to let everyone know so that they can move over if only on their outlap or spoiled lap. We should make it so in the rules.

And that is the spirit of P&G gentleman drivers season (as all those classic races are in real life all
over the world).
And that is why I love so much these races, driving so much different cars with so many different
behavior/engines/brakes/tires7weight...etc... unlike nowadays races with different cars but almost the same kind of brakes/weight/tires/engines/aerodynamics/horse power...etc...

We must chill and enjoy these lovely races as they are, always different and fun.

Cheers
 

Lol Mark, we missed our reply for only 7 seconds....... ;D

Absolutely, I couldn't agree more with you. The last thing I wanted to do was to race Bill - I just wanted to get on and catch the next driver (which I was doing with Legzy) and it was unfortunate that we happened to share the track with the same pace albeit a lap down. My pace was getting faster throughout the race as my very heavy fuel load was being used and my tyres were still good. I'll take my penalty if that's the case.

It does throw up an interesting scenario though; when, if ever, is it legitimate to 'race' a car that has lapped you? Normally for me, at least in the GTR league here, when being lapped means letting the driver through and then the alien is gone. You never get the opportunity to re-pass again.


My bad, it was Peppe in the Red Alfa  :-[

My pace yesterday was painfully slow, qualied 2nd last and finished last of the runners, 2 laps down. But I did have 57goldtop to race with for most of the race, thanks!


That is what I was trying to do, wait until the S/F straight and let any cars reasonably close pass by there, elsewhere there just isn't the room. Despite that I did get rear-ended a couple of times, once by Ross and another by someone else that span me into the path of Legzy. I will have a look at the replay first before deciding whether to raise incident reports for these.

Is it just me that notice that the elan was listed in the race announcement, but was not put into a class on the post below it?

I haven't watched the replay either, but I think you'd be entitled to 'claim on my insurance' in my case Tim - apologies again, I should have waited for the S/F straight, but in the heat of the battle I was probably too impatient.

Cheers, Ross.

Not much of interest to add but commiserations Bill...really don't get how that happened but it did so your the victory will have to wait a few days longer :) Massive congrats to Mr. Blunder, chuffed for ya bud. That was some drive to keep it going in the right direction for 38 laps under some serious pressure from Ross and Jose - very unlucky Ross, could have been a different story quite easily.

Hat off to Ade (or Goth - I'm not convinced we don't have a ringer in our midst :)) who managed to hussle the TR4 around in a respectable time while I drove my wheels off for basically the slowest time of the day in the same car!!

Got a taste of what it's like to be lapped permanently and I don't like it LOL - at one point I just dived onto the grass to get out of the way of the 7 car train! It was clearly particularly tricky around here but I do have a new found respect for lappees.

Not just sour grapes but I have to say I noticed a step up in aggression at this meet - will wait to check the replay before passing judgement proper but I do know punting people off in qually because you're faster isn't anywhere close to acceptable. I agree the idea of lights for a hot lap is a good one as I'm often asking on TS who's on a quick one etc...obviously not everyone is on there for starters..

Anyway, as TT says, if that's how it will be played I'm happy to join in but I don't think it's an improvement to the tried and tested "hard but fair" mentality that's kept this little operation popular for as long as it has. I'm always happy to lark about in practice but I think some should possibly chill the hell out come race time!

Off to drive some VXR's @ Croft tomorrow so will no doubt be full of enthusiasm for tomorrows race (please not Zuhai!!) and armed with even less practice so give me a wide berth at the back there :)

Well spotted spanner, its Legzys fault then, well done Bill for second place :clap:

We realy need the replay (the one online is for Brands)

ditto!  Any news on the correct replay yet?

Correct replay now available for download (hopefully ;))


FYI - There is some stuff to sort out from this race, I'll do my best to catch up over the next few days. Sorry, 'real life' has briefly taken over recently  ;D

Thanks Legz, having seen the server replay, I warped a fair bit on the first lap which must have scared Ross a bit, being the car behind. But it seemed to improve to an acceptable level, with a couple of blips occasionally before losing touch with the server. What I don't understand is that from my personal replay, everyone seems fine and fluid yet on the server I warp about more than most  :-\.

I'll see if the problem persists with the GTL event tomorrow. I know wireless is crap for gaming but it just isn't practical lying a cable down the stairs half way across the house so I'm stuck with it. Should my internet be shoddy again tomorrow, I feel I may have to stick to GPL.

Have you thought about using these Sam  http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=mains+ethernet&tag=googhydr-21&index=aps&hvadid=3265923211&ref=pd_sl_6j9h1h0pq2_b

I use one of those & it's brilliant & simple. Used to be on wireless & regularly had probs gaming... no network issues now  ;D

Yep, they're a great option if stringing ethernet cable round the house is out the question.  I use a pair of Netgear ones to stream video to our TV from a NAS box.

Cheers, Ross.

btw, had a look at the reply last night and I really did cock up my start so I'm very sorry to those that it affected.

Cheers Ade, will look into it. Didn't even know these things existed until now  :o.

I've just had a look at the replay, and I must apologise for the standard of my driving. I don't know what I was thinking but that was the worst driving I've seen in a long time. Particularly I must apologise to Paul968, Peppe and icarus17, I will be submitting incident reports about it.

Heads up for Legzy or Tony, don't forget to look into the number of grid spaces if we use this track again seeing how Lazlow couldn't join the track without belly flopping King :D (did look funny though) ;)

Hi Guys..
Sorry for late post..
First.. congrats to all podium..
This was a very funny race and I was happy to drive the little abarth with much fun..
I'm sorry and apologize to all the drivers with I had a contact  ::)
See you in the next..
bye

The Limerock GDB file stated that this track was suitable for up to 36 cars

As a result of their performances at Lime Rock & preceding races, the following promotions & relegation's will be reflected at the next race:

Congratulations to the Drivers who've earned Promotion:
Blunder to Group One Drivers (The first driver to achieve two promotions... maybe my teammate's not as slow as we thought :-*).  


Commiserations to the Drivers who've been Relegated: (you get a faster car next time :))
None this week.


Welcome to the New Drivers & their New Group:
API to Group One Drivers
IvAlAx to Group One Drivers
icarus17 to Group Two Drivers
KING to Group Two Drivers
Mcfids to Group Three Drivers

Please do PM me if you think I've put you in the wrong group.


Note - Bill's result is being dealt with by our court system.

Boo hiss! :(

I must admit I was expecting some sort of penalty for shunting Bill on the last lap. Any reason that wasn't mentioned?

If an incident report was not logged by you or Bill, it would not get a mention.
If an incident report was logged for it, but has not been mentioned then can I suggest you PM the moderator (Ginsters).

I can't see any mention of this in the incident reports McFids. Moderators only really have time to look at reported incidents but have the right to notice other things in the course of their work.

Excellent job of moderating 16 incidents by SbG. The FIA could learn something perhaps about applying the rules fairly....

I heartily recommend all people planning to race with us to double check our rule system to avoid this number of incidents in the future and any potential misunderstandings.