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Practice 1: 20:00 (20 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (60mins (= about 31 laps)) note: no warmup!


Cars allowed: Porsche 906-6, Porsche 906-Langcheck, GT40 MK2, Cobra 427, Porsche 914, Porsche 911 IROC, F275 Speciales, Corvette L88 Coupe, Shelby Cobra 289 Coupe, Shelby Cobra 289 Roadster, Lotus Elan, (NOTE - This list is subject to alteration nearer the time)

Weather: Variable
Track: UKGTR2 Interlagos (v2.0.1.0, download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg76901#post_interlagos))
Time of Day Setting: 07:00
Start: STANDING

Daylight Acceleration: 10x (Not sure if this is possible online... will investigate Unless anybody knows how to activate this in GTR2 on the server, sadly we'll have to leave it)
Tyre wear: 2x
Fuel consumption: 2x
Minimum Pit-stops: One.


Server: [PnG2.1] UKPnG S1 Interlagos
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Power and Glory v2 from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/), 2.1 patch from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/) and enable terrain patch.
(4) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=214)
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of every-one's connection will be reduced.
(6) Remember that P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function, but our gentleman's agreement is that everyone will stick to a speed limit for the pit-lane of 40mph/60kph.

IMPORTANT
UKPnG Season One will continue to use our 'clubmans' approach, the idea that the faster drivers are in the slower cars, as hopefully it should encourage more close racing.

The cars chosen can be divided into 4 chassis groups:

A
Porsche 906-6, Porsche 906-Langcheck, Porsche 906-E, GT40 MK2 (Please remember these cars choices are still subject to change slightly)

B
Cobra 427, Porsche 914, GT40 MK2, Porsche 911 IROC

C
Porsche 911 IROC, F275 Speciales, Cobra 427, Porsche 914

D
Corvette L88 Coupe, Shelby Cobra 289 Coupe, Shelby Cobra 289 Roadster, Lotus Elan, Cobra 427


Our "regulars" can be, very roughly divided into Four groups. (If you're name's not listed below & you'd like to race with us, please say Hi on this thread & give us an idea of your pace :)

GROUP 1 can only choose from slowest chassis group D
Dan Minton, Madd, Paul 968, Ginsters, PR, Steve Holmes, Jos Verstappen, TrueTom, Jose Arrogantio, Ayrton4_94, Manteos, Pippomax, Blunder, API, IvAlAx.

GROUP 2  can choose between chassis C and D.
Ade, Oily, [Poodle]Keith, FMG, Watty, phspok, MJ, Mike Cook, Lazlow, Legzy, Pepz, Tim Robey, SamB, Psuedo, icarus17, KING.

GROUP 3 can choose between chassis B, C and D.
DaveShep, Spanner, Tinman, Geoffers, Ross, Phil Gilliland, Tibernius, Picnic, 57Goldtop, Lars Sch, Mcfids.

GROUP 4 can choose between chassis A, B, C and D.
PaulWBird, Alex vV, Wiltshire Tony, LigelC, Sandor Mooijekind, Lorenzo Galluzzi, Bill Thomas, Oilseal, Jimmer.

Hope you all enjoy.

Unless anybody knows how to activate this in GTR2 on the server, sadly we'll have to leave it  :'(

Can we use the terrain patch?

Legz, the TPG league used to use the daylight accel settings on their online servers so it should be possible?. (though i think that was GTL/GT1 days) Sadly i dont know the answer though. I remember many a great looking race using it, which is why i never understood us not using it here, especially for enduros  :-\. Maybe post on No-grip or RSC for the answer ?

Superb track and car choices again mate !  :thumbup1:

edit: hmm, few posts ive found online state that the daylight settings cant be set on the dedi server, only on local machines  ???

Yeah, I've done a lot of browsing on that subject and I too have only ever found that it's a "home alone" experience.

I'm short on time currently, so any help appreciated. Would it be something then, that is set in your PLR file, when driving offline?

In P&G Daylight Acceleration settings can be found under the Realism tab. This is the same as for GTL.

However P&G differs in the fact that if you select Internet and log in, at the lobby screen you still have a realism tab available and hence Daylight Acceleration. Does this therefore mean that if all players set their daylight acceleration to the same value all muliplayers will race with the same visuals?

I'll ask the question over at P&G Forum

This is a superb track. Another very detailed great track mod.  8)

1:50.329 in the IROC. The car feels great here, what a sensation when you get it right through the Senna esses. :thumbup1:

Consider the gauntlet laid  ;D

Did 25 laps in it, most laps in the 51's but a good few in the 50's too. 8 Laps fuel onboard.

Will try the Fezza 275 next:- 14 laps done,

1:52.8 in the F275 Spezial. Loads of power but not great brakes ! and no ducting to keep them cool either. Good fun sliding it around here and no doubt a Fezza specialist will get more speed out of it than my first attempt in one, as i havent driven it before.

Feel free everyone to start posting your laptimes & telling me I've got the cars in the wrong groups  ;) ;D
Once again, the sooner I get your laptimes, the sooner I can adjust the groups if required.

For someone who's injured their hand MJ you seem to be doing alot of driving!

not really, i do a quick 20-30 min spell then stay away from racing for many hours. Hand is much better now anyway, just my wrist in rotation and the tendons in my forearm give me grief and cant squeeze or pull anything yet...ooer. :P  Races are still a problem as after lap 10 it all gets a bit painful..and i dont mean my driving  ;) Not sure i could do an endurance race length yet, though i am hoping to find out sunday eve if poss.
In true bloke style i am using my injury to get out of any possible household chores and milking it to the max  ;D

yes some more laptimes would be useful for comparison. I am surprised Paul hasnt breezed in and battered my laptime yet !
Its such a great track and these old cars feel superb on it. 8)

Well obviously there's something your not "milking to the max"  :1eye: ;) :angel:

You rang? I'd hate to disappoint you :P

IROC          1.48.7
914            1.49.0
427            1.50.7
906            1.46.6
Elan            1.51.0 (updated)
289 coupe    1.54.3 (very few laps and not the willment (+50hp) one).
289 roadster  1.53.6
L88 coupe (fast one) 1.51.5
Fezza 275 S   1.50.5
GT40 mk2      1.49.7 (better than I thought, although right side tyre wear is pretty bad)

The IROC seems totally out of place in group C - it is quicker than either car in group B. The 427 is horrible again and needs a good driver to get the best from, so I can't see anyone in group B making it work (even if you ignore the fact that it is a painful car to drive).

Blinking hell Paul, i dont know how you do it  ??? Great time in the IROC  :notworthy:

 I bust my butt to get a time as semi decent as that and then you blitz it by a further 2 seconds  :o  :-[ Even the AI at 115% in game could only manage a 1:49.5...and that was with Mark Donohue driving  ;)

Remember though please, powers that be, that what times Paul (or other aliens) can get out of some of these cars does not reflect what us mortals can get out of it so dont be too hasty to say its too fast for a certain group until the drivers of that particular group also report fast times in it. I think thats the mistake been made in some of the races so far, where cars have been moved out of reach of drivers abilities.

I'm a fair bit faster in the IROC as well.

IROC: 1:53.6-8s
Cobra 427: 1:55-1:57s (when I could stop it from spinning, over race distance I'd have no chance)
289 Coupe: 1:59s
Elan: 1:59s

I was shocked to be putting the IROC down there, expect it to be moved up a group (or two) people.

My times were obtained with fuel for 5 laps, one out lap and one hot lap.

Corvette L88 Coupe - 1.53.7 
Cobra 289 Coupe - 1.54.7 
Cobra 289 Roadster - 1.56.0
Elan - 1.53.8

Cheers

Times so far after 5 or 6 laps in each with full fuel

Group 'C'
IROC..........1:51.463
F275 'S'.....1:51.210

Group 'D'

L88..................1:54.607
289 Coupe......1:55.893
289 Roadster...1:57.205
Elan.................1:55.083

If Porsche 911s drive like that I can see why people buy them. Brilliant car. 8)

P.B. of 1:53.3 with Radial Tyres and 19 laps worth of fuel. Normally in the high 1:53s - Mid 1:54s.

I've updated my times. Older times will obviously be a bit slow now.

Ade, we need to agree on the way we test. I thought most were testing with some fuel but not full fuel, but you are using full. Can we agree on an amount? 5 gallons? 10 gallons?

What is a gallon?  ::)


EDIT: 1 gallon = 4.563 liters  ;D

EDIT: 1 gallon = 4.546 Litres  :P ;D

I thought we were posting times with race fuel, so with 2x fuel use a full tank was the way to go.
Not enjoying the 2x tyre wear  ???  on 6 after 4 laps in the Cobra 427 :o.
The guys at the GTL Workshop have done loads of work on tyre modelling and manuals then Legzy comes along with his grubby little fingers and presses a few buttons and I'm driving on jelly ;D ;) Personally i think with us all getting  to grips with  a new sim we don't need anything to make it any harder (can cope with the fuel at 2x) but don't like it, its supposed to be a simulation after all.

As for the amount of fuel to use for times i find some of the cars in this and other sims i can get faster times with more fuel in than running on fumes for a qualifying lap, like the TR4 i took at lime rock, i could hustle it round better  with more juice in it.
Haven't really had time to check other cars in P&G to see what cars like the extra weight (I'm sure some do).

LOL - Funniest post of the day!!! (Althouth I also enjoyed Tony's tale of woe, about "the AI taking over at the end of the race so he wasn't able to pile into Legzy!" :laugh:)

ah - see where you are coming from now. All my laps up to now have been with about 10 laps fuel, not full, and I got the impression others were doing the same. The 2x thing does rather confuse matters doesn't it?

Just done 4 laps in the GT40 MKII  :o tyres are on fire after one lap and at 6.5 wear on the front right and not much better at the rear right 6.3 , not that fast in it either 1:53.8 (cant do any more laps in it at the moment coz I'm P,ing on the tyres) don't think it will be possible to do more than 4 laps in a row and get a quicker time when the tyres get  in such a state, can someone else give it a go and see what you think.

                                                                  Cheers Ade

crapola, i hadnt even noticed the 2x wear on fuel and tyres  :o  :(

hmm thats gonna be interesting as i doubt any of us have ever run these cars longer than 40mins and at normal wear rates. :-\
It will certainly have an impact on lap times as guess most of us will have to run Hard compound tyres to cope with the wear.

As for testing and posting lap times, i have generally always used the 10laps worth of fuel as others had posted.

Aww man, you taking my beloved IROC away from me again?  >:(

I've turned with all cars of each group. These times are done with 100 litres or with full tank for the Elan and the 914, that got a smaller tank... Approximately 10 laps for each one:

[VDA] Manteos    1:46.552      18/07/2009     Gr6-2   Porsche 906 Carrera 6 (20 ltrs :))
[VDA] Manteos    1:48.787      18/07/2009     Gr6-2   Porsche 906 Carrera 6  (100 ltrs...)
[VDA] Manteos    1:48.993      18/07/2009     Gr6-2   Porsche 906 Carrera 6 Langheck (Could be a 48.7)
[VDA] Manteos    1:49.273      18/07/2009     Gr6+2   Ford GT40 MK II (48 was so near...)
[VDA] Manteos    1:49.980      18/07/2009     IROC   Porsche 911 RSR IROC
[VDA] Manteos    1:50.461      18/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Ferrari 275 GTB/C Speciale
[VDA] Manteos    1:50.510      18/07/2009     TC70   Porsche 914/6 GT
[VDA] Manteos    1:51.765      18/07/2009     Gr3-2L   Lotus Elan 26R (after 40 laps)
[VDA] Manteos    1:52.243      18/07/2009     Gr4   Shelby Cobra 427 Roadster (difficult to set)
[VDA] Manteos    1:52.706      17/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Chevrolet Corvette C2 L88 Coupe (That's surely beatable at least of 1 sec)
[VDA] Manteos    1:56.933      17/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Shelby Cobra 289 Roadster (I gave up after 2 laps... very difficult to drive...)

Totally agree with you Paul! IROC seems faster of any group B cars, and the 427 is for expert drivers... Group C or D seems most appropriate. I suggest to consider a swap between 427 and IROC :)... About the group D cars I think that only the L88 and the Lotus Elan can reach a pace pace near the 1.51.5-52.0, and the two Cobras 289 seem to be cut out of the fight.
I hope to be helpful, as ever :)! Cu :)

1:49.491  -  Gr6-2 Porsche 906-E Carrera 6
1:52.091  -  TC70 Porsche 914/6 GT
1:52.430  -  Gr3-2L Lotus Elan 26R
1:53.975  -  IROC Porsche 911 RSR IROC (i don't like this car)
1:54.130  -  Gr3+2L Ferrari 275 GTB/C Speciale (with error....very time is 1:52.xxx)

more before I will use the others

legzy what is the time limit for the race?

1:52 in the 906-6, full fuel

& was it mid 1:50's qually fuel Tony? ???


I managed 1:53 in the F275 Specials with race fuel. Should be more to come with time (I hope! :)).

Yes, sorry forgot that. IIRC it was 1:50's with 10litres

are the car groupings staying as is? Not run any laps for a few days but want to make sure i use the right ones for future praccy laps, especially now i need to test witht the 2x malarkey.

I've just updated them.

Here are the changes made:
Porsche 906-E = Removed from available list.
GT40 MK2 = Now considered a slower car (so is obviously still available to the 'Group-4' drivers).
Porsche 911 IROC = Now considered a faster car.
Cobra 427 = Now considered a slower car.
Porsche 914 = Now considered a slower car.


p.s. The Elan is looking possibly to fast for Group D (especially when you take into account tyre/fuel consumption), if anybody has any thoughts on that please fire away or even a suggestion of a car that could replace it in that group? :-\

Hi Legzy! Yesterday we had a training race in 8-9 peoples of 1h and x2 fuel & tyre consumption.
I was with the Elan, but i had to fight a lot with the 2 Porsche 914 to win the race, and i had a worst best lap in race, even if I was a lot more trained than the 2 drivers in Porsche 914, that were 2 newbies of P&G...
My idea is that if a driver like Ade or Mark Jonzo, will take a car like the 914, would make a race pace probably near 1.50.5 at worst... mine pace with Elan yesterday was near a 1.51.6 (pushing hardly), very close with 2 less expert drivers, but is not comparable with mine 1.50.5 done with 80 litres on the Porsche 914, after only 9 laps... With the Elan I've done more than 120 laps.... just to tell you :)
Anyway two days ago i had a friendly speech with Ade, and he knows that i consider him a group D driver, because he's surely strong as me. I wait some lap times made by him, in race conditions to have an idea if I'm making wrong consideration about these 2 cars... for me Elan should remain in group D, and the 2 Cobras 289 seems really unnecessary in that group in my opinion... Maybe should be better put the Cobra 427 in group D to give it a chance of race, because it seems really a difficult car to drive...
Regarding the tyres consumption is true that the Elan is slightly better than a 914, but if you put harder tyres, as needed to finish the race in good conditions, pace would be probably higher, and it's an hard decision to take for the strategy. Yesterday with the White spot on rear i was not able to finish the race, and I had to change it after 20 laps during my pit...
Anyway the moral of this story is that if you cut the elan by group D i see no chances for people like me, Pippo and IvAlAx to fight against group C drivers like Ade, MJ, samb, and the others i forget.
I hope I have been clear in explaining. I wait for your opinions :) Cu!

LOL...is there some conspiracy going around, to keep me out of my beloved Porsches ?  :D My sponsors won't be happy  ;)

will run some laps in the 914 later on and let you know my times. The P&G 914's are great fun by the way, in case any of you havent tried them. Real grunty little race cars  8)

No Mark! Nobody wants to make angry your sponsor :)! But 2 days ago Ade with the 275 speciale was just nearer to a pace of 1.51.0 with a full Tank and he was faster than me about 2-3 tenth for lap, with less fuel in the same car! As i said before, he is a group D driver in my opinion, and if he takes a car like 914 or a 275 he becomes unbeatable by a Lotus Elan, for me, Pippomox and especially for IvAlAx that yesterday was pretty out of my race pace yet... If all of us should have the chances to compete for the first position, i think that something in drivers groupings should be changed looking at the few times i saw in this post.
I wait especially Ade's opinion, because if I'm not crazy and if I understood everything he said to me 2 days ago, he was in agreement with me. That's it :)! Wait for others suggestions! Cu :)



 

yeah how the heck is Ade still in group D? shifty bugger is sandbagging i reckon  ;)   ;D

One of my fave tracks but looking like I can't make this one :(

In my defence your honour ;) I don't jump into the fastest car in my group looking for an easy win (after one and a half years of sim racing I've only had 2 outright wins, so I'm certainly no alien)I take a car i enjoy driving , i took the TR4 out last time  (group 'D').
 I'm sure i would be too fast in the 914 so i wouldn't be taking it (ill still give it a little go later on though) ;D
If the powers that be think i should be in group 'D' then that's fine with me.

                                                          Cheers Ade

we believe you, ya ringer !  ;)  :D

Just tried the 914 out. Need a second opinion from other mortals. I could only manage a 1:51.850 after pounding around for about 20-30 laps online, and even then i think only because the track temps reached 47 degrees!  :o which got some heat into the medium compound tyres. That was with full fuel too. Before the temperature rose i was only managing regular 1:53s and 1:54s which then became 51's and 52s in the heat.

Anyone tried the 427? its a complete death trap here, i could barely keep it pointing the right way and it fell off at every opportunity.  :-[

Manteos, as I've said before... let me worry about people being in the right or wrong group... you can then concentrate on enjoying your driving  :)

I'm on the server at the moment & there are four Group-D drivers all in Elan's. If that's not enough to tell me the car needs promoting then what is?  :-\
Can you fast chaps possibly spin a few laps in the E-Type Lightweight / F275 / Alfa Volumetrico to see where they fit pace wise please?

Legzy, they are in elans because the cobra is complete pants!

Please recommend some alternatives?
Maybe the Shelby GT350 CASC / Corvette L72 Coupe / Ford Falcon Weslake Heads?

Manteos, something you need to understand is that you can't really take each race in isolation, or just look at driver groups without considering the cars that people took. Drivers who take cars from their group that are perhaps less competitive, will be given a bit of leeway before they are promoted, especially when they are not near the top of the results list (Ade is a good example of this). On the other hand, those who take very quick cars (sometimes a bit too quick) will get promoted at the first sniff of a good result. The other thing to bear in mind is that this is first and foremost a fun league. we are trying very hard to balance things out, but there are bound to be anomolies, so the advice is - just enjoy the excellent racing and don't take the result too seriously. For the same reason, it is very important that drivers put fairness and gentlemanly conduct ahead of their desire to win - something that wasn't always that obvious from the evidence of the last race.

the cobra is a great car to drive, unfortunately the're are too many corners in this track for it to be fast :p

You mean 1 or more?  ;D

Having been put in Group D now!  :'(
I am slow in everything!
Havn't tried the Elan yet but if it gives me a hope of getting under my current PB of 1.56 then I'll take it!

 :-\

although it is also a fun league as you put it, i wouldnt write off the desire to win or do well in most of us, after all that is the spirit of racing  8)

With regards to car choice, i tend to choose the car that i most enjoying driving, or means the most to me in the world of classic race cars, in my group, after trying each of them. This superb mod has brought alive cars that i found just a complete unweilding dog in GTL. Unfortunately, you still see patterns emerging of groups of people trying to take race winning cars in the shape of the Elan or Alfa, but each to their own. All the grids so far have been nicely diverse and makes it a real spectacle on track  8)

Anyone got a setup for that 427 Cobra? I doubt i'll take it as it seems almost impossible around here, but i like to give it a try. On first impressions i would say it would needs to be driven by an alien around here to get the best out of it, so may be wasted on us group C mortals  :-\

I'd made my choice, if Cobras are the supposed slower cars in group D, that is what
I will drive then....  :D

I didn't write it off Mark, just said that it should not be at the expense of fairness and gentlemanly conduct.

Absolutely old boy  :euro:  one wouldnt want to be perceived as a bounder or a cad, would one ?  ;D

i think the racing has been pretty fair so far (touch wood) not had anyone make overtly aggressive moves on me even if i could tell i might be holding them up in a certain car/corner. A few made comments after lime rock about dodgy driving and i assume those culprits have been given a verbal ear bashing by the supreme court of moderators?

Guys, you were all very nice ... thanks ... I greatly appreciate British humor!
What more can i say...nothing maybe... looking at all your answers seems I can't try to say NOTHING... Then it's ok, I'm gonna race this one in the way you like it... You will see no more posts written by me...
Cheers :)

We know how keen you are Manteos & nobody is asking you not to post here! You (& others) have been most helpful in the setup of these P&G races with the amount of effort you put in before each race. We just want you to enjoy your driving & let others worry about the others. So.... Come back Manteos, all is forgiven  :winkiss: :wub: :tt1:  ;D

Ok... Peace & love guys! :)

Gave the F275 speciale a decent run out last night using the 2x factors. Appear to be in the 1:52's with full race fuel and meds (yellow spots).

I need to check the 914 again as i had such varying laptimes dependant on track temperature.

Guys i tried 4 cars in the order all with full tank... that's the result:

Shelby GT350 CASC: 1.57.0 (Tyres Eater)
Corvette L72: 1.56.5
Ford Falcon Weslake: I gave up after the first lap... it's not a car in my opinion... is a coffin
Alfa Volumetrico: 1.55.4

Seems that all these cars are really out of pace...
Than... in group D 2 choices remained:
Lotus Elan
Corvette L88
The 2 Cobras are in pants as Paul said. Cutting the Elan, i think that apart from Paul and Ayrton that would probably have a pace near 1.52-1.53 low with the L88... I was pretty near more at a race pace of 1.53 high- 1.54. in race conditions... that is not a pace to fight with each other.
Than... you have some others suggestion about some other group D cars that could substitute the Elan or we can consider it a Group D car for the race without any changes?!?
I wait for an answer, and for your considerations... I hope without humor this time :). Cu!

If I put the Cobra 427 into Group-D:

1) Will it tempt some of the "aliens" away from making this race an Elan fest?
2) Will the Cobra 427 be too fast with that drivers group & everyone else will have no chance?

Hopefully we can get the line up completed today guys (all other cars seem fine now).

I can retry with the 427, and let you know if I'm slightly slower with that car, but i think that to return at the previous rules, the target time for the group D drivers should be near a 52.0- 52.5. I'm a little bit faster than this, like 4 tenth of second in race pace, but if you don't want all the group D drivers takes the Elan, an enlargement of choices is needed, and maybe the 427 shoud be the right one to have a pace near the Elan.
But if the 427 doesn't fit a pace near to 52.0 52.5, i really don't see any other solutions to let all group D drivers have a nearest pace of the C drivers without taking the Elan, maybe apart from Paul & Ayrton... I don't know how to help you guys... this time it's really an hard work :(. i will post my pace with a full tank after dinner... now i've 40° in my house in Rome and isn't really good to drive without the Air Conditioned :). Cu later

I forgot to tell something important even if i know that you have a race on Sunday. We are gonna make another training race in our VDA server of P&G. If someone of non GTR2 racers would have this training with us i think that should be useful for everybody regarding this race in Interlagos.
Qualifying will start at 8.30 pm (Greenwich time :)) 20 mins
Race will start at 8.50 pm    1 hour
I hope that someone of you would like to join with us. If you are intersted send me a PM, and i will give you the server Password.

Cheers :)

Wow, what a kind offer. I am racing UKGTR2 that night otherwise I would be straight there with you. But hopefully some of the other guys here will take advantage of your offer  8). Thanks Manteos.

As i promised i run a few laps with the 427... and the response is totally negative... With a full tank, i menaged a best of 1.55.4 after 9 laps... I was pretty regular on my pace... but I've to drive like a Grandpa :)...The worst thing is that the 427 got only a compound tyres. I think it's slower than the Corvette L88. Seems totally out of pace :(

Any other ideas?!? You're all wellcome in our server :)

Guys, I made another attempt with the Chevy L88 and a full tank, but the best i could do after more than 30 laps in race setup was a 1.52.1... but only for one laps, than my pace was near a 1.53 low in the first laps with new tyres, but after 8-9 laps, tyres have a consumption of 17 on my xd, the car becomes very hard to drive, and it's difficult to keep a pace near a 1.53 high- 1.54.low after 10 laps...
If you add that with a x2 consumption of tyres and fuel is surely need a tyre change and a a refuel of not less than 80 litres, and that for all the race the car need more than 210 litres...  That car surely starts with a great handicap... that's my thinking, and my other team mates already have a worst feeling with that car...
I don't see any alternative in terms of race pace apart of the Lotus Elan, in group D... if all the drivers of that group will take that car should be interesting, but with the L88 no chances for me to have a good pace! And the same is for all mine other team mates. I will ask to Ayrton to give a try with the L88, and see if he's able to do something better to avoid a single make of Elan...
As ever... any other ideas?
 

I have now allowed the Group-D car drivers to also take the Cobra 427
I will leave the Elan available to Group-D also & hopefully we will not just see the 'super fast red Elan' on the track from them (hint hint guys ;))

After some more practice tonight in the L88 I would like to offer my self up for promotion to Group 'D' ( was going to take group 'D' anyways) Managed times in the 1:51s with a PB of 1:51.242

                                                       Cheers Ade

Cheers Ade, you were only one decent race away from it but that's cool (you'll officially be promoted for the next race). That sure was fun last night/this morning :-X (cheers Manteos, Matt & Lazlow too) & you were certainly flying! I was chuffed I managed to finally hustle the 914 round in a 1:52.8 :D
Was a bit worrying how easily the three Group-D muscle cars sailed past me on the straights, but with my cornering it seemed very comparative 8)

But I just want to know which plonker picked 2x tyre wear? ??? ;) Whoops!

Don't worry Legzy.   ;)

"I'd made my choice, if Cobras are the supposed slower cars in group D, that is what
I will drive then...." Cheesy


If by then, my internet issues are fixed, what I do really hope so!

Finally all working, but just did a 2:08.220 in a Alphine Renault...

That was on our server, which I kept getting cheat detected, so reinstalled PNG and working great :D

2:06.233 in a Bernard Collomb

Hi Burtoner & welcome to UKPnG  :)
You need to check out the 1st two posts from this thread, particularly the 2nd one (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6529.msg112865#msg112865) which ranks the car that are available (The Alpine is not this week).
If you like the Alpine, I'd suggest you have a try in the Porka '911 IROC' or the '914' & post your times here, I'll then suggest a group for you to pick a car from for the race  8)

If your lap-times are in the area of 1:52 to 1:54 then you'll be about right ;). Good luck

Hmm with either of those cars just cant keep it on track!
I have another go in sec.
Need some setups really, I know theres so many online ones, but not clue what to get.

Hi all Guys! My name is Daniele, and I'm a Manteos VDA teammate. I would be glad to join some races with you in P&G and soon i will post some laptime to give you an idea of my pace! Cu soon on your server!

Thanks Lelero & welcome  :)

whoop whoop, 1:56.792 , Porsche 914 :)

Had a go in the 427 Roadster  :o after calming it down a tad I got it down to 1:51.005 I like it ;D

If you agree Ade we could try it on Sunday. Pippomox helped me for the setup, and now we got a good pace with the 427.
Someone of us will try the non-red Elan, me & Pippomox will be in the 427, and another italian guy would probably try the L88, so we have a complete comparison of the group D cars. I want to understand if I'm able to finish a race with a 427... that's a really big matter :)

Cu :)






 

Now that my iRacing career is over I have time for PnG. I would love to race at Interlagos, as it's one of my favorite circuits. Unfortunately this week I've already arranged to go out on Tuesday. Anyhoo, in practice I've managed 1:53.0 in the Fezza Speciale. What group does that put me in? (I was never a great GTL driver, somewhere above average I would say and PnG seems quite difficult for me too (doesn't suit the way I like to drive)).

Although I still have more test at the hospital this week I am still hoping that I can return to racing on Thursday.


Just one thing

I would like Legzy and Tony's permission to drive my new 'single-seater-turbo' Automobile that was delivered this morning. 

Pit stops are devastingly quick as we can change wheels and/or engine in about 5 secs.  And if all else fails I can dismantle the whole vehicle and slip it into the boot of whatever Paul is driving - I'll make it to the PODIUM one way or the other  ;D ;D ;D


(http://i25.tinypic.com/213i5nt.jpg)


So given a 'fair wind' I'll be with you on Thursday.


Laurie

Good on yer Laurie, hope to see you in the races soon  :)

This race is 'tuesday' eve, hope you can make it.

Your new wheels need some repainting. Blue and grey perhaps? ;)

I agree Simon but the team 'Boss' insisted on red - however I understand there is both Blue and Grey alternate panels available so might be able to slip them on when Boss's back is turned    ;)    ::)  ;D

Mark, thanks for pointing out the 28th is Tuesday - just another 'senior moment'  :oops:


Laurie

Hi Simon,
Will be chuffed to have you with us. Your 'Speciales' time would be spot on for the race, so you'd be driving the Group-C cars & be in the same drivers group as Psuedo, MJ & me. I'll add you officially to a group once you've completed your 1st event  :)
Chris

Ok thanks. I'll try to be at the next one.

I just want to draw peoples attention to this thread on 'Clubmans' quickly: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6602.0

anyone up for a practise session online this eve ?  I'm still undecided on what car to take from my group and would be handy to be on track same time as others to compare their merits and failings. (the cars, not the other drivers  :D )

post a time to be online  :)

Now  ;D

i could jump on there anytime of night and you would be living on there like a P&G troll Ade  ;D

ive got to eat first man !  but anytime from 7.00 would be cool

good fun again tonight with a variety of drivers jumping in throughout the evening. Had a blast with Ade in the Cobras, think i may now have changed my car for race night !...though 60mins in a cobra on worn tyres will be merciless  :o

Track looked awesome, with stormy clouds and sunlight setting across it  8)

914s are great fun here too, so may see what my opposition is driving and choose then  :)

Unfortunately I'll have give this one a miss.  Despite the length of time available, I've not been able to find time to practice sufficiently.

Bill

Come on Bill, I've had more close racing with you in recent races then anybody else! You know Interlagos do you & you must have driven one of the 906's before? (P&G setups transport between tracks quite nicely)

Still don't know what to take, the 427 is a dream to drive :wub: had a PB of 1:49.98 (don't tell legzy) ;)
haven't managed to repeat it though.
I do like the L88 though, not as nimble as the 427 but a blast all the same, ether way i will take the older 490hp 427 or the older L88 without the brake cooling ducts.

                                      Looking forward to this one ;D
                                                   Cheers Ade

                                   

I tried the 427 again, and although 'nimble' is never an adjective I would use in connection with it, I also got into the 49s (1.49.5). I will probably take the L88, which over the race distance probably has no chance because of the long stop, but I expect there will be a big enough posse of elans without me adding to it.

Come on Bill if you aren't there who am I going to race with - 'Remember GOFa's rule'  :wheelchair: :yes:


To Paul: please take a car with a big boot in case I run out of steam and need to put my kit in it   ;D ;D ;D

Laurie

If I take the L88 and it rains Laurie, I'll be getting out and thumbing a lift! Seriously, the power cars in group D are going to be so much slower in the wet it will be embarrasing!

I noticed it says tyre wear/fuel x2 - not sure I really understand how this will affect my pit stops,
so is anyone willing to offer advise.   :helpsmilie:   Normally I'd select hards and plan to stop at half distance for fuel and tyres.  I will be in the 906.

Laurie

It just means you will use fuel at twice the normal rate and your tyres will wear out twice as fast.

You not kidding.....did a few laps in a thunderstorm earlier  :o  2:00 was my best.

Bummer, missed the variable weather :o That will make things very interesting!! ;D

I will be taking the Porsche 914 for a spin tonight, I was going to try the Fezza 275 Speciale, gorgeous car but it has a drink problem, a full tank only lasts 20 laps  :-\

Will be hovvering around the back this time, my best is a 1:54.2  :(

My first pit stop was a real disaster as it took ages to start up when the work was done.   :cursing:  Then on the second I let them repair the car - big mistake 'me thinks' still I'll know better next time.  :nono:

In between I had a fantastic time hanging on the Tim, Legzey and one or two others - thanks all of you I will relive every moment of the race tomorrow when I go for my hospital tests.  :rockon:                       

Grats to the podium and I raise my hat to Tim and Legzey, this is a great series thanks a million.   :clap: :clap:

Laurie

awww, i was so looking forward to that event but in the end it turned out a catalogue of disasters for me  :'( I would rather this event had been mainly dry to be honest.

Qualied a semi respectable position, being knocked from 9th to 11th? in final seconds of qually period  :taz:

Then despite countless warnings to be careful, several cars still managed to hit each other on lap 1 of the race, at the end of that first straight  ::), including myself being knocked flying off track and falling to last place, despite already being well into the corner  :censored: it was an hours race for gods sake !!

Fought my way back up from last to about 11th again, just behind Legzy, then disaster number two struck, the car spat me off track and i slid down that wet grassy hill, losing about 20-30 seconds and throwing all my hard work away. :'(

Charged on again and found it very morale sapping seeing the guys i was fighting with now running up in 7th - 10th, like Mcfids, Blunder and co  :(

But about mid race length and with very worn tyres i had another bloody off down the wet grassy hill costing me yet another 20-30 secs  >:( I must confess i nearly quit in disgust at that point as got so hot and bothered and was cussing the screen like mad !  :cursing:

I kept thinking why the blinking heck am i the only one here suffering this as no one else appeared to be losing big time like that in the tricky conditions. ??? are you all that good?  ;)

Pitstop was terribly long, i must have picked up some damage from the couple of cars that thwacked into me during the race and it took 1min 10secs or so for the actual stop, for fuel, tyres and repairs.  :( I also got completely befuzzled by the lap counters on my two screens that both showed it was a 42 lap race. I had been thinking all the time that this seemed a flipping long race !  :wetfish: and i put way too much fuel in to compensate as thought i had stopped mid distance only to find out it was not far off the end of the race  ::) ..no wonder my rear tyres were so blinking knackered !
Set a string of 1:52s when i left the pits but was down in a lowly 16th place and 40 odd secs behind Legz. Caught him then span  :laugh: Finished 16th  :-[

Well done to our Italian campione, they seem to have us Brits licked in the classics  :thumbup1:

Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20090728%20P1/index.html)

Enjoyed that! I qualified last again  >:( I was about 1 sec quicker this afternoon.... dunno why

I managed to avoid the early mayhem, and was racing Laurie, Jose and Paul H early on, the 914 just doesn't have the grunt and the yank tanks sailed past on the straights....  :(

I spent a lot of time racing MJ, who was a bit lets say unpredicable at times  ::)

I stopped late on lap 19 & managed to get out ahead of Legzy  ;D and belted out a few quick laps on fresh rubber, almost caught Jose again until Blunder lapped me on SF straight, but he didn't quite get pass Jose and I just tapped Blunder as he entered the Senna chicane, sorry 'bout that :(

I was going to wait, but we weren't racing I chose to carry on. Hope I didn't screw your race  :-\


Thanks Laurie! I was wondering why did you stop twice?  ;)

I was hoping for a bit more rain to slow down the gaggle of Cobras, one little shower wasn't enough  :'(

Congrats to the podium!

Another poor effort. The first lap was rather hectic. First off, I tried to go through a gap between Mcfids and the wall but unfortunately his car veered into mine and we both slowed due to the ensueing collision. Apologies for that. A few turns later, I outbraked myself and very nearly took out Mark and then finally, got a taste of my own medicine when Jose accidentally spun me round. Thanks for waiting for me  :).

From then on, it was more of a recovery drive enjoying a fair few battles with people. But I made far too many errors and to top things off the gearstick fell of my table twice! Eventually I quit, dismayed at my own performance. I was also irritated at my internet connection, at times from viewing the replay, it was unacceptable. I thought the ethernet adapters would have cured my problems and they have to be fair, cut back on my warping somewhat, but it seems that Virgin Media just give you an awful internet connection in the first place  ::). Never mind, thanks to all for the racing.

well well, what a bunch of aliens were in front of me. unbelievable laptimes..... :o

really cool that it started to rain early in the race, but it lasted only a couple of minutes, would be nice to have a flooded race :P

but most of the first half was just me driving my laps, then pitted, didnt really know if there was a pitspeed limit :P

came back 3 secs behind ade, he was at about equal pace, only late in the race did I come to about 2 secs, then ade made a wee mistake in the second last lap and I could overtake him  ;D

was a scary last lap trying to keep ade behind me, but I suceeded!  :smartass:

Good race. Was slightly faster in the cobra particularly in the wet  :o
but decided 914 was a more stable gun platform. then promtly fell off on my own
in the race a couple of times! What were you doing stopping before the line
Martin? you run out of petrol?

Oh dear.......another evening without internet.  >:(
Sunday was ok, Monday I had it all night. Last night nil. Yeh, just when I need it.  >:(
I even opened the router to clean from dust (4 years without thouching it).
Turned it on and...wow...I have net now (21.30) too late tho.
However, I had it only for 5 minutes, managed to enter SROUK site and even teamspeak,
I heard for first time a few sexy voices and when I was writing a post suddenly
lost it again. Kept trying to get it back untill 22.30 without success, I had quit......
Today I will buy a new router. I am losing all the fun with GTL and P&G and I'm losing
my pacience aswell.  :cursing:
I love races under rain and for what I saw, I would be the only one Cobra Coupe 289 on track.
 :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:

Cheers


EDIT: on second thought maybe I would not buy a new router because I don't know how
        to configurate it.  ::)

It sadly didn't quite click for me again last night. Had a bunch of good racing with Tibs (who was clearly quicker then me) as I did my best to keep him behind me or steal the place back at the next bend each time he got ahead. But then he got away on about lap seven & I didn't have another competitive lap all race  :'(. Even waited for MJ with about two laps to go, but once he caught up & I thought I'd have a blast, he fell off & by that point I just wanted to get to the end.

Got the call on TS for a push at the end from team mate Blunder, he'd run out of fuel 100 yards short of the line & just like in Top Gun when Maverick had learnt his lesson... "I'm not leaving my wing man"  ;D ;D ;D

Well done to all that finished, shame to see the numbers down on our normal turnouts. I wonder if it was one or more of the changes for this race (variable weather / "x2 tyres & fuel" / 60 mins / something else  :-\).

Cheers to Picnic on the server side as always.

Sorry about that, I was trying so hard to be careful as well.  ::)  :-[
Did a self imposed drive-through at the end of lap 2.  :angel:

Personally I don’t like the X2 stuff; it takes away part of the simulation element. The rain and the 60min race with a stop are good  :thumbup1:
Thanks Legzy, looking forward to Road Atlanta  ;D

A very enjoyable race!

Qualifying was easier than at lime rock due to the much longer track but still managed an unspectacular 10th.

Was on the grid behind spanner who must of missed the lights (they were a bit quick) and was stuck behind his stationary car. Same thing happened at Lime Rock - one more time and its an official conspiracy ;) Tried to go round but was caught up with SamB and the pit wall. So 19th place at T1 - I've had better starts.

Made my way up to 14th after a few laps and then had some excellent racing with Blunder and MJ in their cobras. Some very tight racing in cars that are not suited to tight racing :) Shame that you fell off the road, MJ, it was looking to be a scrap to the end.

Backed off as soon as the rain started but it didn't seem to affect grip as much I thought it would. Had to laugh at the instant transitions between rain/sun; it was as if God was trying his new fangled push button 'Weather' console.

SamB caught me but his car was seriously warping about and it was a nightmare trying to predict where he would appear. Best let him through I thought, as this was going to end badly. From then on I was shadowing blunder until the very end where I found him stranded 100 yards from the chequered flag. That must of been gutting, Martin :( So a very pleasing 7th for me.

In response to the posts about the clubman format and car balancing, I have to say that the car/driver differential combo was excellent. Everyone I came across in this race (apart from maybe the italian aliens) I was more or less on a par with and could race them. So, IMO, kudos to Legzy and WT's current system. 
 

Spent the entire practice session flicking between cars until i eventually settled where I started, back with the Cobra and Ade's kindly donated setup. A bit odd but it wasn't until Mr. Blunder got on track in practice that I seemed to click into race mode and start picking up the pace a bit. Think I may have just been admiring the scenery or something before that !?

Used the inspiration to get a surprise fifth on the grid and a good start saw me up into an even more surprising second! Was running quite a comfortable pace there but one tiny slip up saw me slowly turn the car around, on to a patch of grass on a hill where I had a lovely view of Ade, Lazlow and co cruising past waving.

Anyway rejoined but so quickly destroyed my tyres, getting more and more ragged along the way. Lap 11 I was down in fifth again I think and wondering what the hell to do about my non-existent strategy and tyres in the mid 20's on the wear scale! Pitted in to find I'd made the same stupid error of mapping my ignition keys to the Touchbuddy, without having it running. Game over.

Loved the rain, hope to see more of it - could have done with a bit less tyre wear though! Oh and a few more tenths and holiday to the Seychelles would have been nice.

Grats Lelero, podium and also the dark horse Spanner. For somebody who's not sure about PnG, you didn't do half badly at possibly the trickiest event yet!

Cheers chaps, enjoyed it while it lasted!

First of all, I must make my apologize to what happened at Tibernius. King told me that returned into the track badly, and because of that you have not been able to avoid him... He was really disappointed about that... I will submit an accident report. I hope that you accept his apologize :).
I write just now because yesterday i had to run out for a drink with my friends, and i had no time to tell something about my race.
What can i say more. Yesterday we was only 3 VDA's but we caught a great result, probably due to the 427 strenght, but we would be faster with the Elan in the race time, and no one of us would be able to drive the Corvette L88 as ade & Paul done, then we decided to jump on that monster car. Many grats to ade for his 4th position with that american coffin :).
I' ve thrown to the wind my first pole position in my PnG career, making a mistake while braking at the S do Senna, and I probably lost the race about that. I knew that if Lele would have done a good pace would be difficult to take him, and i spent some laps to found a place where overtake mr_oily, that has made my life difficult during the first laps. At the pit i was only 5 seconds behind Lele, but don't know really why, i returned into the track with much than 11 seconds of late, probably my mechanics were stoned...
During the second stint i pushed like a crazy driver,(never managed before than yesterday a 1.49.3, not even with a qualy setup...), but
when i arrived at only 6 seconds by Lele I've done a little mistake that switched off my chances of a victory.
Many grats to Lele for his first race here, not bad as a newbie as i said yesterday :). This time we trained much more than the other times, and the result confirm how good was this training. I think I've done more than 400 laps, with almost all cars and anyway I love this track, and I would like to win here... It's not enough, but a second place it's not bad, seeing my previous race result :)!
Grats to all finishers guys, and Cu in Road Atlanta!
Our server it's already online and maybe we' re gonna remake a Sunday race to hafe fun with some of VDA people... If someone of You, want to race with us, as ever send me a pm, and i will give you the password. I'll update You on the Road Atlanta Topic.
Cu guys!





 

I've posted a poll for all our current & potential drivers to let me know how you want 'UKPnG Season One' to continue... Here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6620.0)

The poll closes on Friday afternoon.

In the absence of any other recommendations PR, the Netgear range of routers are not expensive, seem to be reliable and are extremely easy to set up, really not much more than plug it in and follow the instructions on the screen. There's been not so much as a cough or a splutter from mine in four years despite being situated in a pile of dust under a cupboard with no ventilation.

In your GTL champ race I saw that you have a fewer choice of car, but i don't find some rules to make the own choice, so i suppose that is free. Am I wrong? I think that with a fewer car choice the gap between drivers increase, maybe the first solution of a time Limit in the race pace wasn't so bad, if anyone got the possibility to have a largest car choice, the probabilty to find a car that let you have a similar pace to the others is surely bigger. Maybe the solution is to enlarge the car choice, and make a less restricted driver grouping, so everybody will have the chance to find the right pace on the right car. If you reduce the choice, drivers ability will make the difference and we will return in a situation in which the fastest drivers will almost be in the first positions. That will result in a less fun probably for the slower drivers, and don't know if it would be better for the purpose of this league. That's my opinion, i wait for yours :)!
Cu :)

McFids & Manteos, I've posted your 'Clubmans discussion thoughts' here: (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6602.45) so that people see them.

Oh well, I messed that one up before I even joined by picking the wrong car! I was quite happy to take the L88 knowing it wasn't going to win in a field of elans and 427s, but hoped to have some slidey fun nonetheless. Trouble is, I hadn't appreciated that the earlier penske cars are MUCH faster than the others, due to wider track, bigger tyres, etc. Ade was quicker in his L88 straight away, so pipping him in qual was a bonus I suppose. Things started out OK, and I gained a position on API after a few laps, but in the slow mid section I ran fractionally wide, had to back off more than normal for the old girl to come about (it really did feel like sailing at times!) and API couldn't back off in time and spun me round. I got going a few places further back (thx for waiting btw) but then started pushing too hard, resulting in a spin on the exit of decsida do lago. It took ages to get the car pointed the right way, by which time I was 19th out of 20  :( Then had fun trying to claw back a few places, but the leaders were miles away by now. I pitted at half distance, which took an age to fill the tank and change all the tyres (down to the canvas by then). Within a few laps of coming out tho the tyres were wilting again and the laptimes were awful. I finally struggled home 10th after a good little battle with Samb. Trying the penske car today I was doing 50s with a full tank of fuel on, compared to mid 52s and upwards in the older car. The tyre wear was fine too  ::)

Congrats to the boys up the front. The 427 was too quick in the end, although when I first drove it it was horrible. Surprised not to see a few more elans tho.

Just noticed that I was the only one with a 66 427?  every one else was a 65...

was there something wrong with the 66?

Sorry but I excluded myself from this race as I had spent the day in a meeting which was very ill-humored. Didn't think I was in the correct frame of mind for "Gentleman Racing".
Would off won it too  ::)

No, it was too fast  :P ;D

ade said he was faster in the slower 427 I think....

yeah, he tried that trick with me too in the L88  :laugh:

Report! better late than never!

Oh, what fun we had!  ;D

Qualified in 11th, better than I had dared to hope given my 'promotion' to Group D :(

Great start up to 7th immediately and closing on those in front!
Hit the inside kerb on the last corner of the first lap!  :'(
Span round, couldn't rejoin immediately as I thought I might take someone else out so was dead last at the end of Lap 1 !
What a wally!  ;D

Dug deep and made it up to 7th with lots of good battles along the way!
Bit of a bump from Tim at turn 1 but hey, these things happen!
Ran out of fuel with 100yds to go!! Wally ! again!  ;D

Luckily my 'wingman' ( Legzy ) took pity on me and pushed me over the line!  Thanks buddy!  ;)
What a gentleman!  ;D

Lessons learned then!  ;D but fantastic fun!

Can't tell you how much I am enjoying this so am really crossing my fingers we can find a simple system to continue this level of fun, close racing with less effort from the admins!

Love the 2x fuel, tyres, 60mins plus stops! whatever variations you want to add! bring it all on!

Only issue is that no matter what races are coming up ( GTR2, GTL etc. ), when I sit down to practice, all I want to load is PnG !

Thanks all

M.

Just seen comments from Legzy and Laurie, I really am having difficulty finding practice time, also all these odd jobs between showers is slowing me down.  

Interlagos is a track I've raced on a number of times and I just can't get that series of uphill 2nd gear corners right I go off 90 odd per cent of times.

Incidentally I will not be racing GTL tonight - not had time to learn the track, not helped by lack of marker boards and the changes of road colours blending with backgrounds making recognising corners difficult.

Bill

Do you know what, that is exactly the same problem that I keep having :D

No problem, accidents happen. I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
If I'd have lifted off the throttle I might have managed to avoid him, but of course I didn't think of that at the time. ::)

Ditto and double ditto !  As i mentioned online last night, i am struggling to get motivated for the modern GT cars in the srouk leagues that i normally chomp at the bit to get into. The sim racing experience just doesnt compare to racing the 'alive' cars in the P&G mod.  8)

As a result of their performances at Interlagos & preceding races, the following promotions & relegation's will be reflected at the next race:

Congratulations to the Drivers who've earned Promotion:
Ade to Group One Drivers


Commiserations to the Drivers who've been Relegated: (you get a faster car next time :))
Tim Robey to Group Three Drivers


Welcome to the New Drivers & their New Group:
lelero to Group One Drivers


Please do PM me if you think I've put you in the wrong group.