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Here is the race thread for GRID ONE. Your team captain (Hristo) will be allocating chassis and we'll keep this post up to date.
GPL Racers race thread is located at http://forum.gplracer.eu/topic.php?id=630& (http://forum.gplracer.eu/topic.php?id=630&)

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom passworded 'Savage' by 19:20GMT, (You will need to set up a channel called ukgpl if you haven't already done so)

Server : GPLRACER6
Password : challengeone
 
Race date = 21-07-2009
Track = East London
Time = 19:30GMT / 20:30 BST UK time (note earlier start time) - please be in IGOR by 8.20pm
Variant = 65F1 (using the updated 65 Mod)
Damage Model = PRO
Qually time = 30 minutes (server will start at 35 mins)
Race length = 35 laps (extra points for finishers)

Download the track from here; http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=1079 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=1079)

Chassis assignments per grid:
2 * FERRARI
2 * LOTUS
1 * BRM
1 * BT11
1 * HONDA
1 * COOPER
1 * BT7

Points Scoring (per grid);
Standard Points Positions 1-19:
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30 - 25 - 21 - 18 - 16 - 14 - 13 - 12 - 11 - 10 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
Drivers MUST complete 60% of race distance (21 laps) to score points

Extra Points:
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3 Extra Points for each driver who can finish the race (being lapped still counts)
10 Team Points for the whole Team (GPLRACER / UKGPL), if all drivers of the team cross the finish line.

The results of both grids will be combined to produce the overall winners.

CHASSIS ASSIGNMENTS - GRID ONE
Hristo(C).............BT7
Mike B................Cooper
Jethro................BRM
Clive..................Honda
Fulvio.................Ferrari
James R..............Lotus
Al Heller..............Lotus
Billy NB...............BT11
Lorenzo...............Ferrari
(updated 21/7/09)

I see we're using a different points system than we do in the Interleague races, but I hope it works out to a similar result overall. I don't know well some of the drivers on our team here, so correct me if any of you think the assignments are unreasonable.

Apparently the emphasize is on reaching the finish and the more of us that reach it, the better. And if most of us can do it, I think it doesn't matter much if we win or even have drivers on the podium, because of the additional bonus for finishing and especially, if all of us finis.

I tried to stick to what some drivers' desired chassis are.

CHASSIS ASSIGNMENTS - GRID ONE
Hristo(C).............BT7
Mike B................Cooper
Jethro................BRM
Clive..................Honda
Fulvio.................Ferrari
James R..............Lotus
Mark Minardi........BT11
Al Heller..............Lotus
Billy NB...............Ferrari

Well, let me know what you think. And if we have potential reserves, I'd like to know in advance, if possible.

-=Hristo=-

Looks ok, I'm happy with the Honda for this race. ;)

To be honest, you never had much choice, Evil! You know you can't go against what pleases HER!  ;D

OK, I think then 65s are different, basically they are mechanically safe and are highly unlikely to grenade. Hence you don't need the good drivers to get them to the finish.

I've just done a race with the ADC and set a 1.26.8 with the Cooper, with a theoretical 1.26.3 as my possible best. However in the same race Paul Skingley did a 1.25.8 with the Ferrari !! Having raced with Paul a lot, would consider us to be reasonably similar, so it shows that the quick car is worth 1 sec per lap.

So I think Hristo you should put who you think are the quick guys in the quick cars for this event.  It will make a difference.

A lotus!, am I allowed to drive this car (being in Reed and all)  ;D

looking forward to this one and I'm fine with trying a different car.

Jim

Hristo / Mike,
I'm probably the slowest UKGPL driver - with the fastest car. Tactically, I'd agree with Mike & give our best drivers the faster chassis.
I did some laps yesterday in the BT7 - just in the 1.30's & the my regular (BRM) which was over 1 second faster. On that basis I'm quite happy to swap the BT7 or Cooper with either of you.
No prob. running the Fezza. Your allocation otherwise looks about right. Appreciate you may not want a game of musical chairs - I'll go with whatever you decide.
... Bill

I disagree on putting fastest drivers in the faster cars and slow drivers in slower cars. Think about it. It's what we did in the early days of the Interleague too. You end up with a winning car, for sure and possibly top 2 for the team, but then there's a massive gap down to the other team drivers. They end up at the end of top 10 or most likely, outside of it. From my experience the most points are won by drivers of a team that finish inside the top 5, preferably 3rd to 8th.

For sure, there will be someone from the opposition doing times that are unmatchable for any of us, but a single driver won't make a difference, even if he laps us all. My aim by giving faster cars to slower drivers and vice versa is to keep all of us close together and into the top 10, so it will be difficult for the opposition to go through us. We don't have to worry if they have someone leading or even top 2.

Besides, I'm pretty confident in the BT7 and with a good tow it can go fast. 1:26 is more than enough for a good result, Mike, I'm hoping I could keep into the 26s as well.

Still, if any of you does some practice, please post your best times. It will give a good picture of what's to be expected and it might help refine the chassis choices.

The main thing, anyway, is to reach the finish so we get more bonus points.

There is a loophole within Reed Jim, and that is, yes you can drive a different chassis, but only for Interleague events when facing another league. For sole UKGPL events, it's the BRM, BRM and BRM  ;D.

IMHO  If you are going to post lap times it will be meaningless unless we know what fuel you were carrying as in my experience it makes one hell of a difference in the 65's.
I can squeeze another second a lap  easily when I reduce fuel to "3 lap qually" against the same setup for 25 laps. But maybe that's just me  :-\

Nope, this time it isn't just you. A good second a lap is lost carrying fuel.

lol that makes a change!! ::)
In that case I'm just getting into low 1:26's or high 1:25's with 40 laps of fuel...not sure if that is good bad or indifferent in the Waza.
Either setup or driving needs some tweaking as I know I am losing time in a couple of places, so 1:24's are a poss.

Good point, when I mentioned posting laptimes, I meant from qualifying runs.

You’re not ready to concede yet then?

By the way Evil, I’m coming down to Bristol on Thursday and I’m bringing a soldering iron.  We need to dig Nat out of hiding.

Hmmm not sure that I have a large enough shovel!!

He appears to be very elusive and under deep cover lol.

Maybe a few posts on the forums will lure him into the open...... that and the seductive smell of a pint??

Most of my qualifying runs are on race fuel, unless I am in danger of being stranded at the back of the grid, then the Glutbuckets are instructed to bring out the syphon tube and Mabel gives it a huge suck!!.   :blink:
I have adopted this stragety only because I have often found that the sudden change, on lap 1 of the race, to a fuel heavy car and cold tyres has predictable consequences, usually involving the scenery and bent metal.
 Besides, from a confidence point of view, if I am matching lap times in quali whilst on race fuel, then I know I can keep up during the race itself. Well that's the theory anyway  lol.

OK, I downloaded the track and had a play...

so far, I have done 15 laps and my best time is a 1:27.2

so I need to find some more time, the lotus is a little bit different to my BRM so I'm hoping to crack a late 1:25 after another 20 laps or so. My current setup is a little to loose, but that is also quite fun  :). Nonetheless, I think the brake balance needs to go from 48% at the front to more like 56% cos its a bit squirmy under braking at the mo.

Jim

I want to clarify something. I'm not demanding any certain laptimes or else you don't race or anything. It was only a reference to see if switching chassis between some drivers would be reasonable. But anyone who wants to race, please, do so. Regardless of laptimes. It's just a fun event in the end and it's open to everyone who want to participate.

Setups for BT7 and BT11 that I have for East London, plus tips for converting other track setups:

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6560.msg113692#msg113692

We're one down as Mark is willing to put more practice before committing to online racing. That leaves the BT11 free for the taking. Any candidates?

Hristo

I see from the original race post, that Turkey Machine isdoubtful, I can't remember who that is in real life ( it really would be better if folk who want to use an alias used the same for racing as posting !!! ), but does it effect us?

That's Jethro Walters. Not really sure at the moment, but since there are no other candidates atm I'm counting him as a participant. Even with that, we still need one more to file a full team.

Firstly, good luck for tomorrow to all entrants. Can you please be in the UKGPL chatroom by 8.20pm UK time for a prompt 8.30pm start – it’s 9.30pm for most of our opponents so they’ll be having a late drive anyway…

I’ve updated the server details and added the passwords.

Turning to numbers it looks like we may be a man or two down. Rather than wasting time messing around with driver numbers just before the race and, to avoid anyone being denied the chance to participate, in the event of a teams numbers differing we will count an even number of drivers in the scoring ie if UKGPL only have 8 on a grid only the first 8 of GPLR's will count and vice versa.

We could still do with some reserves and it’s likely you would get to race.

Finally, for those who don’t normally run Pro, please remember to be ultra-cautious, there’s a big bonus for finishing. It’s a long race and one tap or warp could end in tears for you and your opponent… The track has some long run-offs but watch those rejoins.

(putting this message on all three posts; general / grid one / grid two)

Definitely only a "maybe". Don't even consider putting me down as first choice for this one.

For the lack of other candidates, I have no choice.

Hristo

If Jethro isn't going to make it can I jump to the BRM?

I have it and the Cooper set up to run, so I can wait to see if he turns up in iGor

Yes, Mike, sure.

Hristo,
Another last minute request. As Mark has pulled out can I ditch the Fezza for the Brabham BT11. Haven't got to grips with the Ferrari - 1.29's whatever set up I've tried. First time out with the BT11 - went round in the 1.28's . Still be at the back of the grid - just a not so far behind.
Will have the Fezza on standby.
... Bill

OK, Billy, you get the BT11. Here are the current assignments and vacant cars:

Hristo(C).............BT7
Mike B................Cooper (BRM if Jethro doesn't show up)
Jethro................BRM (uncertain)
Clive..................Honda
Fulvio.................Ferrari
James R..............Lotus
Al Heller..............Lotus
Billy NB...............BT11
*FREE................Ferrari

If we don't get a full team by the time of the event, I might switch to one of the available cars so we improve our chances of winning.

Hristo

That might be a good idea, I ran with some of the GPLR boys last night and there was some good lappery going on !! :)

IT LIVES!!!!

Time to run some laps in the BRM then. Not done a lot of practice here.  :angel:

Anybody got a decent setup for the BRM at East London? ;D

OK, I just spoke to Lorenzo, he'll be joining us (for real this time) and will take the Ferrari. That completes a full team of 9 for us.

Good luck all! Please, focus on finishing and don't take unnecessary risks, especially early on. It's a team effort. And if possible, don't battle each other too fiercely or you'd be slowing down and putting yourselves at risk.

Darn that  >:(

I was in 7th chasing their Honda driver (Thor?) with Stefan all over my tail in their BT11, a really good clean dice. The Uwe lost the Ferrari at the chicane and ended up between me and Thor. I followed him over the line and got a good run out of T1, but needed it as Stefan was right on my tail. We were catching Stefan and I moved to the inside  to hope for an out bake into the Hairpin. But in the braking zone Uwe moved right and I ended up with 2 wheels on the grass and in the inevitable bump my engine got destroyed.    Gutted !

The Cooper is a nice car to drive round EL, but you really are waiting for the guy in front to make a mistake, for your only chance to pass. It's a bit frustrating.

Got a PB in the Qually (1.26.4) but lost in when the server crashed.

Hope the rest of you made it round

that was fun in the end, although I spun trying to close down 2 and had to wait for the entire pack to re-pass. I had a nice fighting race to finish in P10, good fight with John Walters I think  :).

Ok and now for the bad....I realise that I should have waited before re-joining the server, but we hadn't been told to wait yet and so I went ahead. I can take the jovial comments fine, but someone (Paulo I think) used the F word, which I think is a bit out of order.

I haven't heard bad language on UKGPL before so it was a bit surprising and I hope it was in jest.

Anyhow a fun race, I wish I hadn't spun out of P2 cos I had a reasonable pace but I guess I deserved to!  ;D I overshot someone with a crazy late braking move as the door was left open....well done for leaving it open as  shot off in a haze of tyre smoke  ;D ;D ;D

Jim

That's Jethro, James. Don't worry, I won't hold that one against you.

Could kill Achim for barging me off the road on the outside of T1. I lost my testicles near the barrier.

Still set a high 26 on low-ish fuel! ;D

Could have been better frankly. Was enjoying the midfield dice until I was forced out of it unnecessarily.

when I see J. Walters in Prib I always think Julie  :ninja:

Well, I (and others) said a couple of times in chat we're going to join in Qualifying order, so you must've not been looking, James. Anyway, not much harm done, because the race was long and passing (in equal cars anyway) is not too difficult here.

As for Paulo, I'm not sure if he's rude or just expresses himself like that. Not sure what or who he referred to at the end when he said "f**king noobs!!!", but anyway, just ignore... He thinks he's the best in the world just because he won in the fastest car, apparently. ;)

Personally, I had a fantastic race, hadn't had such in a LONG time. Started 7th and Evil politely let me by while we both passed a slow starter, so I was up to 5th, but then someone almost came to a stop (for no obivous reason) at the hairpin and I had to go off to avoid hitting him.

That dropped me to 13th or so, which triggered my red mist mode and I went on a crusade against all. Sorry if that included some of our teammates, but as far as I could tell from my pitboard (not using Pribluda anymore), it was mostly GPLRACER drivers who I fought the hardest. Some of ours let me by easily, for which I was very thankful.

There was one particular driver of the opposition, who, after having lost the inside line in the chicane, pushed me towards the gravel for no reason, but I refused to just go off. So he took himself off by hitting me and luckily it didn't affect me much.

After some laps I was up the order and challenging the top 6, most notably Clive, Thor, Stefan and Julien. Clive had an off after a few laps and dropped a bit back. After passing Thor, who sort of yielded his position freely, our titanic battle with Stefan began. It lasted until the end of the race and included tremendous amount of outbraking, side by side racing (including a whole lap side by side!!!), dicing under braking zones and what not. While doing this, Thor kept us in our sight, but was not close enough to make any real attack. At the same time, the 3 of us closed in on Julien who was in 3rd place.

I had the impression Julien's BT7 was slightly faster in straight line speed, but overall I was faster than both him and Stefan. That said, I had no real opportunity to pass Stefan, let alone stay ahead of him, and it all became even more difficult when I had to fight the two of them at once. At one point Stefan gave a slight nudge to Julien, which dropped him behind me. Then I braked a bit too late for the first hairpin and dropped behind Julien and Thor, but that only refueled my fire.

Passed Thor again and then fought Julien for a couple of laps before finally edging him out, but it was very closely contested. Stefan was just in sight at the point and there were 3 or 4 laps to go. I tried my best to create a chance for an attack, but Stefan didn't make any mistakes and so he finished half a second ahead of me.

Great, fair racing, some of the best I ever had in GPL. A pleasure to race with such people and an example of how it should be done. No blocking whatsoever, just a single change of line on the straights, and each of us leaving enough room when having another car on the side to account for warp.

It seemed like GPLRACER have won it in the points department, so congratulations! Grats to UKGPLers as well for giving their best. Lorenzo's 2nd without having practiced much is a great result, as well as the others down the grid.

Cheers,

-=Hristo=-

'As for Paulo, I'm not sure if he's rude or just expresses himself like that. Not sure what or who he referred to at the end when he said "f**king noobs!!!", but anyway, just ignore... He thinks he's the best in the world just because he won in the fastest car, apparently. '


I did not know what he meant by that either, but I knew what he meant when he told me to F**K off in the in game chat!

Anyhow, water off a ducks back. Great result Lorenzo, Hristo and well done to all finishers  :D

Nice race in the end with a car that I hadn't raced much with 65 mod.
The start wasn't so good though. I was 10th on the grid with Mike, H and CliveL ahead and Stefan right behind me. Stefan had to have a turbo cause he passed me like a rocket at the start and it seems that he forgot to deactivate it at T1  while all got the turn with consideration of cars around and he touched the RR wheel of CliveL that half spun in front of me. I braked to avoid Clive but poor Jethro couldn't avoid me slowing down so I was launched in the air. Luckily I could rejoin dead last without much damage and nobody else suffered too much, even Stefan  :-X
After have passed Fabio and Billy I joined a train of four cars of similar performance, Tom, Achim, James and another that I don't remember that I battled with till the end.
I managed to pass Tom's Cooper but the Lotus were accelerating faster out of last turn to try a move at T2.
On last lap I was on the leader's way in the esses and I hope to not have slowed too much any of them trying to let them by.
Thx for organizing this race!
Ciao

Sounds like he got FUN race mixed up with FU** race ;)  Well my race was more the latter than the former.. I did OK (for me) in quallie with a mid 27 but then the server crash happened so I wasn't really sure exactly where to start. The quality was very high for us novice boys so it was somewhere near the back of the grid anyway.

My first PRO race so I took a cautious approach at the start & was pleased to get through the opening laps unscathed. Was running behind a group that included Fulvio & Ryeman - then just as I started to find a decent rhythm the engine started billowing black smoke & that was that. First time I've had an engine blow in 65s too. Shame because although I wasn't that quick compared to the seasoned campaigners, I was confident of bringing it home for some team points.

Anyway congrats to GPLR & to all the finishers & thanks to Vos & the mods for organising the event.     

Sorry about that Fulvio, I did my best to avoid hitting anybody, but if you're gonna hit somebody, best to do it square up the rear from experience.

Not a great intro to interleague racing!
I practised a fair bit with the Ferrari but switched to the vacant BT11 the night before. The Brab was quicker the previous evening - at least by my humble standards. Qualifying was a nightmare - think I was still in Ferrari mode, couldn't find the brake points & then blew the engine twice. When we got on the grid my Prib read out was badly distorted but just about readable.
Decided to take the race easy but started to find a rhythm and get passable lap times - running in 16th which should have been good for some backmarker points. By lap 15 Paulo caught up to lap me. Having gained some experience of being lapped I tend to ease off in the straights & let the faster guys through. Paulo decided he could cut through on the apex of the second to last turn & ran straight into my rear end. My car was flipped - race over. Maybe I should have given way but that is easier said than done in a corner. I checked the replay & his car was showing up off / on track - maybe warp? Don't know if the points would have made a difference to UKGPL.

I sometimes get that but disconnecting and restarting GPL usually sorts it.  Occasionally I have to fire up GEM++ and rebuild the executables if it happens for one of the mods.

I've never had it where it was OK in praccy but no good in the race.  Are you saying Prib was OK in praccy but distorted in the race?

Shame, Billy. I think more and more people have come to realize the fact that apparently this Paulo is merely an asshole.  ::)

No worries though, I've spoken to Lorenzo and we're wound up to serve him what he deserves next time.  :D

It was instinctive, I think that if I had hit Clive on his side he wouldn't have survived :)

Many thanks FP.

I wondered what had happened.

Phil,

Re. the distortion on Prib. I get this from time to time, as you say if you go back & restart GEM it sorts itself out. The server crashed during qualification & was restarted - which was why it ran OK in qually but not the race. Thanks anyway.

I get that too and just restart. I tend to find it happens mostly when switching Mods.

Ah, that solves that mistery :)

SERVER REPLAY GRID 1
http://www.sendspace.com/file/eiqbc9


Thank you UKGPL for this nice and fair race!
Special thanks to Vos for organizing the event on the UKGPL side!
All at GPLRACER are looking forward to race with you fair racers again someday in the future.

@Paulo: There is no need to insulte anyone. We are all here to have fun.
This is a quote of our GPLRACER rules:



My short race report:

I had a turbo start and got a bit over enthusiastic into T1! Sorry to Fulvio Policardi for that!

In the beginning I had some great fighting with Beattie,
later in the race with Julien, Clive, Thor and of course Hristo.
The highlight was going side by side for nearly one lap with Hristo.
I will certainly keep this replay!
Besides I got a negative rank during the race. :)

This was one of the best races I ever had!

Hristo summed it up pretty well:

Cu
Stefan