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Title: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: vosblod on July 29, 2009, 11:22:59 AM +0100
"If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled. For you are in Elysium, and are already dead"

This one could be a case of last man standing… You might want to get out some cushions and pop down to the bookies for a wager on the number of finishers - the winner will receive The Skid Mark Season 17 UKGPL Ironman Award.
Be thankful the most laps I think we can safely run without fuel problems is 36, based on max fuel of 41 laps.

The race will not be moderated, bear in mind the distance and Pro setting.

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8.50pm UK time
(You will need to set up a channel called #ukgpl if you haven't already done so)
IGOR and Race passwords: no race password

Server 6.ukgpl
IP address 80.5.200.198

Race date = 04-08-2009, 9pm UK time
Track =  Monza 10k
Variant = 69 mod
Damage Model = PRO
Qually time = 30 minutes
Race length = 36 laps

Chassis assignments: any chassis you like

Track downloadable here; http://www.dixierunners.speedgeezers.net/monza10k/ (http://www.dixierunners.speedgeezers.net/monza10k/)
In case you experience FPS problems; http://srmz.net/index.php?s=0567705312438ec92e718ac26e7d3fb8&showtopic=658&st=0&p=4247&#entry4247 (http://srmz.net/index.php?s=0567705312438ec92e718ac26e7d3fb8&showtopic=658&st=0&p=4247&#entry4247)
WARNING : Don't use the server version to increase FPS, it's not pretty

PLEASE CHECK YOU ARE RUNNING 36FPS (not 60) BEFORE JOINING THE SERVER


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: FullMetalGasket on July 29, 2009, 12:28:14 PM +0100
Hopefully I'll make this one  ::)


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Turkey Machine on July 29, 2009, 01:33:25 PM +0100
Fantastic, I'm gonna definitely have to give this one a go! ;D


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: NickyIckx on July 29, 2009, 06:59:23 PM +0100
 :D will try to take part.

for now I can host it today to serve some testing.
( good chance to test my setuped server )


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: vosblod on July 29, 2009, 07:16:01 PM +0100
:D will try to take part.

for now I can host it today to serve some testing.
( good chance to test my setuped server )
Another server we could use for UKGPL races would be great news  :thumbup1:
I'd reccomend using the server version (2meg v 20meg) and also Clive L's loose grid; http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1BM6ADCU (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1BM6ADCU) - the one on their website starts you on the grass...


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on July 29, 2009, 07:17:40 PM +0100
How long is a single lap estimate? 36 laps x ? = ?


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Turkey Machine on July 29, 2009, 07:36:43 PM +0100
How long is a single lap estimate? 36 laps x ? = ?
My guess (and this is a complete guess), is 125 seconds a lap in 69s. Think 75 minute race.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: vosblod on July 29, 2009, 07:39:07 PM +0100
How long is a single lap estimate? 36 laps x ? = ?
My guess (and this is a complete guess), is 125 seconds a lap in 69s. Think 75 minute race.
I was reckoning on 90 minutes but then I'm a bit slower  ;)


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Turkey Machine on July 29, 2009, 07:56:09 PM +0100
How long is a single lap estimate? 36 laps x ? = ?
My guess (and this is a complete guess), is 125 seconds a lap in 69s. Think 75 minute race.
I was reckoning on 90 minutes but then I'm a bit slower  ;)
You have me corrected.

GPLRank has the WR in 69s as 2m15. So 135 seconds a lap. Or 81 minutes.

If I'm honest, I think laps will be more around 2m20, which is around 84/85 minutes.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on July 29, 2009, 08:03:22 PM +0100
Having organised this race, could you also tell us exactly where on the dark side of Alpha Centuri we can find a setup?


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: maestro57 on July 29, 2009, 09:04:56 PM +0100
Not driven 69s before and would like to have a go in the fun race

Anyone got a tame(ish) setup for any car they are happy to share

cheers, peter


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: MikeBeattie on July 29, 2009, 09:41:02 PM +0100
Peter,

Put the wings up to a high level, about 2 -3 drgrees more on the back then the front, and that passifies most of the chassis. You actually don't lose that much on the straights. Also pick the Brabham or the McLaren, which are easier to drive.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: API on July 30, 2009, 12:47:43 AM +0100
Hi,

I would like to join this fun race if it is possible. Hopefully, I'll manage to get GPL run in online.  :)


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on July 30, 2009, 12:56:20 AM +0100
Ahh, I just noticed it's a 69 race, was thinking 65 and 36 laps sounded enourmous for those. :P Thanks.

Setup wise, I thought running low wings would be better, but apparently Mike suggests otherwise, so I dunno anymore... I suppose you DO need less wings on a slower cars to compensate on the straights.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: EvilClive on July 30, 2009, 09:08:15 AM +0100
A small professional tip............don't drink Red Bull before a 69 race because extra wings will screw your setup ::)
Just trying to be helpful.... ;)


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: vosblod on July 30, 2009, 09:41:56 AM +0100
Hi,
I would like to join this fun race if it is possible. Hopefully, I'll manage to get GPL run in online.  :)
The more the merrier - if you get any online problems post here and someone should be able to help you. Also worth checking at RSC/SRMZ


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: MikeBeattie on July 30, 2009, 11:39:24 AM +0100
Hristo,

There is a drag factor in using higher wing settings, but for anyone who needs to concentrate more on staying on the track and not having a tricky handling car, they are a better option especially round Lesmo and the Parabolica, where you are most likely to go off.

With the slipstream model in the 69 mod the extra drag from the high wings only affects you if you are leading a group of cars.

I have found on mist tracks high wing settings are not a disadvantage. However the banking makes the 10K a track with a very long almost flat out run, so the more experienced can experiment with low or even 0 wings, and then cope with the handling round the twisty bits.



Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Turkey Machine on July 30, 2009, 01:02:28 PM +0100
A small professional tip............don't drink Red Bull before a 69 race because extra wings will screw your setup ::)
Just trying to be helpful.... ;)
I can't help but laugh......


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Viss on July 30, 2009, 02:19:24 PM +0100
I'll be there.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on July 30, 2009, 02:57:00 PM +0100
Hristo,

There is a drag factor in using higher wing settings, but for anyone who needs to concentrate more on staying on the track and not having a tricky handling car, they are a better option especially round Lesmo and the Parabolica, where you are most likely to go off.

With the slipstream model in the 69 mod the extra drag from the high wings only affects you if you are leading a group of cars.

I have found on mist tracks high wing settings are not a disadvantage. However the banking makes the 10K a track with a very long almost flat out run, so the more experienced can experiment with low or even 0 wings, and then cope with the handling round the twisty bits.



Thanks, Mike, I suppose if I run a slower car and it has much of a power disadvantage there would be no choice but to run less wing. Not that I have much clue about the top speed differences for these cars, so I might settle on a middle ground like the Ferrari.

Evil, luckily I can't afford to drink red-bull.  :D


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Geoff65 on July 30, 2009, 07:36:26 PM +0100
This is madness...but I figure you have to be in it, to win it....i'll be there.
Geoff.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Al Heller on July 30, 2009, 11:02:51 PM +0100
Just in case anyone (like me) didn't realise... you can get clear mirrors for the 69 cars by copying the mip files from the "clear_mirror" folder into your 1969 car folder. Otherwise you get a mirror full of your own rear wing which might not be ideal for 36 laps of slipstreaming & banking mayhem :)


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on July 31, 2009, 12:04:37 AM +0100
Just in case anyone (like me) didn't realise... you can get clear mirrors for the 69 cars by copying the mip files from the "clear_mirror" folder into your 1969 car folder. Otherwise you get a mirror full of your own rear wing which might not be ideal for 36 laps of slipstreaming & banking mayhem :)

Or... an ideal way to amuse yourself if you drop off the pack early on and do all the remaining laps alone.  :D


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: MikeBeattie on July 31, 2009, 05:38:20 AM +0100
Having run in a couple of practice races on the server, I'd tend to agree with Geoff on the madness issue.

Firstly the lap is 2min 20 secs so that would be 84 mins racing for 36 laps !!

Next the chances of getting more than half the pack to the finish are very low, running the cars side by side from the exit of Parabolica round the banked loop and then back to Grande Curve with the width of the track and the slipstream effect of the 69s, you need to have total 360 degrees vision. I predict a mid field pile up in the opening laps !!  :-\

Would it not be better having either two shorter races ?  This is meant to be fun after all  ;)


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on July 31, 2009, 06:32:05 AM +0100
Having run in a couple of practice races on the server, I'd tend to agree with Geoff on the madness issue.

Firstly the lap is 2min 20 secs so that would be 84 mins racing for 36 laps !!

Next the chances of getting more than half the pack to the finish are very low, running the cars side by side from the exit of Parabolica round the banked loop and then back to Grande Curve with the width of the track and the slipstream effect of the 69s, you need to have total 360 degrees vision. I predict a mid field pile up in the opening laps !!  :-\

Would it not be better having either two shorter races ?  This is meant to be fun after all  ;)

I don't like quitting races until any chance is gone, but dropping back and having to run alone without slipstream would be extremely boring for this one, so pardon me if I just park it and call it a day.  ::) And yeah, 84 mins is not only longer than what the usual definition of fun is, but it's also very exhausting in these cars, so I hope you people know what you're getting into.  ;D


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: EvilClive on July 31, 2009, 09:55:02 AM +0100
After my humiliating gaff last night on the practice server I looked at the replay and realise what might be a major prob.

As Mike identified, the run around from Parabolica to Curve Grande via the two bankings is a flat out slipstream "fest", and to stay in with a chance you will have to be in the pack.

I commited the cardinal sin of not double checking the prib readout to see how close and how many cars were behind me. I think it was Mike who slipstreamed past me and as he drew level I glanced across, then looked in my mirrors ( before Mike was clearly in front!! and they apparently showed nothing else close) so I moved across to tuck in behind mike.  AHA!!! WRONG!!!.. There was in fact another car already tucked in behind Mike which had not been visible in my mirror view, but of course it would have shown as only about 0.2 secs back on prib...if I had looked!!

I suspect that in the heat of battle many of us will be looking to play slipstream leapfrog, by tucking into the tow as we are passed, but at these speeds any contact with another car is going to create mayhem for about half the pack.

So be warned and double, double check and allow the passing car to get well clear before moving across as the tow on 69's is effective at quite a reasonable distance.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: vosblod on July 31, 2009, 10:14:00 AM +0100
Would it not be better having either two shorter races ?  This is meant to be fun after all  ;)
The intention is to have fun but also try things we couldn't normally do. If we cut it down it just becomes a normal on season type race.
There is the danger of a lot of lonely laps (especially for me  ;) ) but, for my part, I'll get a sense of personal achievement if I can cross the line. I think running Pro adds some spice and the risk cuts down on the danger of boredom.

If anyone finds themself the only one left feel free to pull over as you will have won  ;D  If it doesn't work nothing lost but, at least, we tried it...


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on July 31, 2009, 11:12:23 AM +0100
Nothing wrong with lonely laps!

I like lonely!

Just a few pixels to chase in the distance is spot on.

Means nobody is about to hit me!!!!!!

OK so I'm paranoid.

Wouldn't Milano have been easier on the gfx/pc?  My frame rate is pants at a couple of spots.  Must look to see if I can switch something off.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: FullMetalGasket on July 31, 2009, 11:37:57 AM +0100
Means nobody is about to hit me!!!!!!

OK so I'm paranoid.

You're only saying that as I intend to make this one  :P

 :ninja:


With regards to the length thing, I'm with Tim. We wouldn't normally do this so I'm game just as something different. Also it does strike me as being quite a challenge to reach the finish with or without contact  :yes:


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on July 31, 2009, 01:28:13 PM +0100
Means nobody is about to hit me!!!!!!

OK so I'm paranoid.

You're only saying that as I intend to make this one  :P

Being paranoid, I know it's everyone that's out to get me!


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: fpolicardi on July 31, 2009, 03:14:23 PM +0100
Nothing wrong with lonely laps!

I like lonely!

Just a few pixels to chase in the distance is spot on.

Means nobody is about to hit me!!!!!!

OK so I'm paranoid.

Wouldn't Milano have been easier on the gfx/pc?  My frame rate is pants at a couple of spots.  Must look to see if I can switch something off.

How much detail level are you running Clive? If you go over 75% you likely get bad fps.
However it's incredible how there is still people having fps probs with today, and even yesterday hw. I run this track on a PII 350/Voodoo2 when it came out.

Ciao


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on July 31, 2009, 08:52:12 PM +0100
Nothing wrong with lonely laps!

I like lonely!

Just a few pixels to chase in the distance is spot on.

Means nobody is about to hit me!!!!!!

OK so I'm paranoid.

Wouldn't Milano have been easier on the gfx/pc?  My frame rate is pants at a couple of spots.  Must look to see if I can switch something off.

How much detail level are you running Clive? If you go over 75% you likely get bad fps.
However it's incredible how there is still people having fps probs with today, and even yesterday hw. I run this track on a PII 350/Voodoo2 when it came out.

Ciao


It's a track problem though, with a few sections not optimized well having either too many visible objects or something. When you say you ran it on Voodoo, remember the game was originally made for 3DFX so Voodoo cards have huge advantage. I had a Banshee myself and was getting better fps than 3 times faster PCs that ran on D3D at the time.

Hopefully it's going to be ok with a full grid, but it's likely I'd have to reduce the details a lot, 69 tend to be heavy on fps with big fields combined with such tracks.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 01, 2009, 01:29:33 PM +0100
Not driven 69s before and would like to have a go in the fun race

Anyone got a tame(ish) setup for any car they are happy to share

cheers, peter

Have a look here Peter http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?p=3982967#post3982967

I think that the higher drag version is quite tame as it is but you could add more wing if you want.



Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Turkey Machine on August 01, 2009, 08:25:59 PM +0100
In this case, I think setting Pribluda to use distance instead of time back to the next car would be useful. If it's closer than 8 yards don't move across.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: NickyIckx on August 01, 2009, 10:02:28 PM +0100
Quote
In this case, I think setting Pribluda to use distance instead of time back to the next car would be useful. If it's closer than 8 yards don't move across.

 ;) F10 view is very helpful too. ( here at the top right on my wheel .. ).
and of course pribluda fully workin as well floating mirrors....

maping key to wheels `s buttons :
http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/I/JoyToKey/JoyToKey.htm

floating/ or virtual mirrors :
http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=176551&page=1&pp=25


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: FullMetalGasket on August 02, 2009, 11:47:44 AM +0100
I can't drive in 3rd person, I always crash  :)

Will look into adjusting prib for distance though (been wondering how to do that for ages actually)


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Al Heller on August 02, 2009, 12:10:15 PM +0100
Quote
In this case, I think setting Pribluda to use distance instead of time back to the next car would be useful. If it's closer than 8 yards don't move across.

 ;) F10 view is very helpful too. ( here at the top right on my wheel .. ).
and of course pribluda fully workin as well floating mirrors....

maping key to wheels `s buttons :
http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/I/JoyToKey/JoyToKey.htm

floating/ or virtual mirrors :
http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=176551&page=1&pp=25

Many thanks for that Nicky. I was wondering how to map the F10 button to my wheel. I can't drive with that view either but reckon it would be useful for a quick glance when you lose sight of someone.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: gerard kayou on August 03, 2009, 07:24:35 PM +0100
Hello, I'm new to UKGPL, i would like to participate at this one since i saw it is opened to everybody .
I'm from France, used to do GP races in multiplayer.
Thank you for this opportunity, see you tomorrow !


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: gerard kayou on August 04, 2009, 09:16:38 PM +0100
I had fun on the training race, before the big one.
Too bad i've been told i get people out of the track. Well, i've seen the replay, i don't think it is true (at all). Watch for yourself.
I hesitate to do the big race, feeling i was not welcome.

I tried anyway.
I did a mistake on practice, (it happens), and i'm really sorry for that one .
So I left the event not to interfere with you.

That is sad, anyway i hope you had fun on that race.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Phil Thornton on August 04, 2009, 09:30:15 PM +0100
I had fun on the training race, before the big one.
Too bad i've been told i get people out of the track. Well, i've seen the replay, i don't think it is true. Watch for yourself

On the practice for the real race, i did a mistake, it happens, so i left the event not to interfere with you.

Sad...
Very sorry you didn't have a good race Gerard.  I couldn't get on the server, it was full when I turned up.  I did notice there were drivers of every ability on the server which does create situations where the faster drivers get frustrated, but it is no excuse for impolite behaviour.  For league races, we try to run races with drivers of similar ability to try to avoid these situations.

We have a healthy 65 division for novices which might be more to your liking.  Hopefully we'll be running a few practice races before the start of our new season in September.  You'd be welcome to join in on those if you like.

I hope tonight's experience hasn't put you off UKGPL.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: gerard kayou on August 04, 2009, 09:53:51 PM +0100
Well, i must say i'm very disappointed.
I rewatch the replay, and all i can say is

-i kept my line when we crashed with mr loynes

-Mr skingley, i am not the driver who crashed on your ferrari, it was mr loynes 

 ;)





Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Phil Thornton on August 04, 2009, 10:01:47 PM +0100
Both people you mention are very fast and talented drivers, but I've never known either of them be impolite in chat.  I'm sure it was a misunderstanding.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: gerard kayou on August 04, 2009, 10:10:55 PM +0100
I don't remember who said what, and i'm sure people of your league are very nice.

Lets forget that incident and after all, i did 1.15.0 (ok with draft), it will be the good thing tonight!


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 04, 2009, 10:55:27 PM +0100
I'm very sorry to hear what has happened Gerard.  I looked for you in the main event because I could see from our practice run that you were going to be quick.

As for the incident at Curva Grande in the practice event, you are quite correct.  It was my fault.  I moved too far left as we approached the corner.  I didn't say anything to you at the time because I hadn't looked at the replay at that point but I'm pleased to have the opportunity to appologise now.

The other incident was between me and Paul and Paul was directing his, shall we say, rough language at me, although he thought it was you. 

In actual fact I don't think that he had anyone to blame but himself.  I don't know the track that well so after moving down the inside of the track as we passed the pits to enter the first banking I was somewhat surprised to find that my bit of track had turned to grass.  I braked and kept tight to the inside when I came off the grass but Paul had stayed down below the yellow line on the banking and as a result there was contact.  On my replay it is a warp contact of about a metre but Paul could have been looking at something different.  In any event, knowing that I was there he should have left a good deal more room.


As Phil says, it is somewhat out of character for Paul to break the golden rule of keeping your mouth shut until you have looked at the replay.  At least then you can have a go at the right bloke.

Hope you enjoy your future racing with this league.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: vosblod on August 04, 2009, 11:18:51 PM +0100
I hesitate to do the big race, feeling i was not welcome.
You're definately welcome Gerard

Grats to Grzegorz Lenarciak. The Skid Mark can now give out it's Season 17 Iron Man awards; Grzegorz (hon member) / Al H / Hristo / Geoff H / API / Bookie
To be honest I half thought no one would finish so well done you lot.

For my part enjoyed some really good clean racing with Al until ye olde Lotus started billowing smoke around lap 14. Disappointed but there you go, sure I'm not the only one. Overall I think it was a good event - did what it said on the box  ;)

Apologies to anyone that found the server full. I didn't think these summer races would prove so popular and due to holidays we are currently down to one IGOR server.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on August 05, 2009, 12:37:56 AM +0100
I don't remember who said what, and i'm sure people of your league are very nice.

Lets forget that incident and after all, i did 1.15.0 (ok with draft), it will be the good thing tonight!

2:15 I suppose you mean and that's definitelly D1 material!  ;D

I couldn't crack 18s and that's with a slipstream, lol.

Paul, Clive, Clive and some guy I don't know (G.L.) were battling together and that allowed me to catch up after messing up Para on lap 1. Then we had endless number of slipstreaming battles lap after lap. Eventually it led to a collision between Clive and Paul, but Clive was able to continue and soon caught up with us.

I hit the wall to hard on the exit of Lesmo 1 when we had 23 laps to go and got a puncture, which was eventually losing me 4 seconds a lap (that's about a second per each proper right hander). But the two Clives wrecked each other, so I inherited the lead for a while, until the others catch up.

On the last lap I was running 3rd and Geoff went through, but I got under his slipstream and took 3rd back after he sort of let me have it.  :P

Very good fun, but I'd really prefer a shorter race for such a track if we're to have fun. It was quite zzz to do 20 laps on my own. One other thing is, it should be intermediate damage with shift-r allowed. It's not for points or anything, so I don't see reason to have pro damage and frustrate people who crash out early.

Great fun with the slipstream anyway!

-=Hristo=-

P.S. I had 2.75 front wing and 1.25 rear on the Ferrari, but was still unable to pass a Matra in its slipstream! Wasn't expecting such a difference.  ::)


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on August 05, 2009, 12:42:05 AM +0100
Grats to Grzegorz Lenarciak.

AH! That's the winner's name, yes, congrats! I don't think I can memorize your name though, sorry.  ;)

Apologies to anyone that found the server full. I didn't think these summer races would prove so popular and due to holidays we are currently down to one IGOR server.

About time someone breaks the code for the 20 ppl server host limit too.  ::)


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: vosblod on August 05, 2009, 12:54:43 AM +0100
Very good fun, but I'd really prefer a shorter race for such a track if we're to have fun. It was quite zzz to do 20 laps on my own. One other thing is, it should be intermediate damage with shift-r allowed. It's not for points or anything, so I don't see reason to have pro damage and frustrate people who crash out early.
Blame me for any shortcomings  :wetfish:. I came up with the summer stuff to try different things (wait till the next one  >:D), so an endurance race seemed different. My reasoning for PRO was to introduce the unknown. If we had a reset we might as well set it to 50 or 150 laps, it would just be a case of last man to fall asleep.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on August 05, 2009, 01:24:28 AM +0100
Blame me for any shortcomings  :wetfish:. I came up with the summer stuff to try different things (wait till the next one  >:D), so an endurance race seemed different. My reasoning for PRO was to introduce the unknown. If we had a reset we might as well set it to 50 or 150 laps, it would just be a case of last man to fall asleep.

Ah, OK, I suppose you want to test our endurance and level of madness. Bring it on then!  :alien:


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: NickyIckx on August 05, 2009, 06:55:16 AM +0100
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P.S. I had 2.75 front wing and 1.25 rear on the Ferrari, but was still unable to pass a Matra in its slipstream! Wasn't expecting such a difference.

wondering if I am the only using more front then rear wings.. good to know I am not.
My Ferrari served max topspeed inside slipstream behind an Matras of 321kmh , during my offline test here.
without any car in front 296kmh  (PB still pur 2-18-35 ) .. whats yours have been Hristo ?


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 05, 2009, 08:09:52 AM +0100

Apologies to anyone that found the server full. I didn't think these summer races would prove so popular and due to holidays we are currently down to one IGOR server.

I had Gladys warmed up and ready to go but when I asked in the chat room if we would all fit on one server nobody paid any attention.

At that point there were 18 in chat and I could see that a number of people were not there who I expected to race.  Since there was no pw people could also join directly, plus the possibility of passing trade, so it was clear that it would be full.

My internet connection would not be up to running a server plus my racing on another so when everyone just started piling in I had to shut Gladys down and get in there myself.

As for the race it was great fun but Evil and I didn't take each other out, as H has suggested, we had help.  ;D

As we approached the pits we found Stefan Stein's Lotus, stationary and sideways across the track.  LOL  He had run into the end of the pit wall at full chat.  I had wondered how many people had run into the darn thing whilst trying to read their pit board.  Anyway, by the time I could see him it was too late to miss him.

Evil lost a couple of wheels but I was able to carry on but the impact had convinced the engine that it was sick and so I pulled over.

Shame, because I don’t often find myself in a position to put one over on Hristo or Evil but my setup was giving me a definite edge.  LOL  Most of the time they pulled out of my slip stream and then went backwards.  Very reassuring. ;D

I never found anyone to give me a tow but I think I might match Gerard’s 2:15 if I could get tucked in behind someone.

Thanks for the fun!


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: FullMetalGasket on August 05, 2009, 09:01:55 AM +0100
Got taken out at the end of L1. Was quite suprise as it was Mike B who just turned into me  :o

Shame, as I was already halfway up the field in my green boat when it happened . Looked set to be an interesting race  :(


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Geoff65 on August 05, 2009, 09:40:28 AM +0100
That was a ball-breaker!. 80 odd minutes of plodding round on my own after an unscheduled excursion to the beach off Parabolica on L1, when the brakes refused to work and felt like someone had forgotten to put pads in the calipers. and 6 minutes of heavy drafting and tomfoolery when I managed to see another car. Traded blows in the 10ths of seconds with Al Heller, pinching 6-7/10ths here and there, with Al responding and taking a similar margin back, for what seemed like an eternity. The margin hung around 11-12 seconds for around about 12-15 laps until the fuel weight started to come off, and I could squeeze out a short run 2:21 and eventually the pitboard showed Al was only 8 seconds distant. Then I started seeing skid marks in the high speed braking areas.....I thought I may have been pulling in chunks of time on someone that was having difficulties. I was correct as with 3 laps left, Hristo's Fezza, wounded by a touch on the wall and a slow-leaking left front tyre, hove into view. I set my fastest lap 2:20.5 on lap 32, just catching a sniff of Hristo's draft........finally catching up at the Parabolica on the last lap. I wasn't intending to pass him there, but his deflating tyre caused him to slow and understeer wide....leaving me the inside line to exit ahead and in 3rd place. He promptly camped in my draft and shadowed me along the straight, onto the banking.....where he wound the Fezza up on the last chute
to the final strech of banking. I elected to hold the tighter, shorter low line as the car had driven that line well for the entire race, and as Hristo had the slingshot from the draft I thought it better to make him go the long way around. I had to lift slightly crossing the 'hump' onto the banking, to avoid climbing up over the centre line and wrecking us both, in the end unable to peg him back enough in the race for the line....Congratulations to the podium, you're all men of steel. I'm happy with my last-to-fourth drive, consistent and with very few mistakes.
Geoff.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: vosblod on August 05, 2009, 11:11:43 AM +0100
We don't normally load fun race replays to Mike's server re space issues but if you want the replay you can get it here; http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NIGOTUQO (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NIGOTUQO)

Re the race server being chocka. Part of the driving force behind these races, as well as providing some fun for UKGPL members, was to encourage others to participate who might well then decide to join us. Pleased to see some new faces already. So I'm reluctant to start passwording them.
Next time, if we look full up in chat, I'll run my home PC if there isn't an available server for a second grid. We need to avoid spending 30 minutes sorting out who goes where though - there was one race where we had one server full and the back-up only had three contestants. Maybe we just say split alphabetically by chat name? 
Nice to be victims of our own success though  ;D


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Al Heller on August 05, 2009, 11:18:51 AM +0100
Spent about an hour of that race shouting "Oh give it a rest Geoff!" at my prib screen :D. I was running in the last podium spot & Mr Heard was pursuing me relentlessly about 10 secs behind. I knew that once he caught up to my slipstream I was the proverbial cooked goose so had to drive out of my skin just to maintain the gap, but lap after lap we nicked/gained time without either of us having any spins. Great stuff. In the end, I reckon I was only saved by an ailing Hristo whose damaged Ferrari gave me a enough of a tow boost to save me from Geoff's clutches.

During the 1st part of the race had a great 3-way battle with Tim & Grzegorz. Was lucky to escape any damage after clonking a spinning Tim at Para pretty hard. After that we both recovered & were enjoying an epic battle until Tim's engine blowup spoilt the fun. Anyway congrats to Grzegorz & all the drivers who made it to the end of this marathon. As ever, thanks to the Clark-Hill team for the setups & advice :). Oh & thanks to the server for giving me an authentic 1969 psychedelic colour scheme - bright orange brabham & lime green helmet :nuke: :P



Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: MikeBeattie on August 05, 2009, 01:30:03 PM +0100
Well I really flew at the 10K..... about 200 ft above the North banking that is  ;)

It all went wrong into Grande curve on Lap 1, as I left room for the Matra on the inside and ended up rail running my way round the turn. A few laps later I had a coming together at the exit of the South Turn when the car on the inside moved out, probably the G forces on the exit and we both had a spin down the Start straight. I had speed and was able to catch the cars in front, Al & his trio, as mentioned above, and got past after a Lotus spun in Parabolica. However Al was able to slipstream up to me along with a Lotus. Entering the North Curve on lap 9 I ws in the lead and looked in my mirrors to see a car a 100 yds or so behind. What I didn't know was that Al was right behind me on the inside and drew alongside as we rounded the curve. Thinking it was All Clear I started to come off the high line as we approached the end of the bend and then BOOM !! Sky - Trees - track - guard rail - sky - trees - trees - trees -earth !  From you post Al I assume I didn't compromise your race. My fault for assuming I was all alone

Is it possible to get a radar display for GPL ??  Pribula is too hard to read at 191 mph  ;D


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on August 05, 2009, 01:37:16 PM +0100
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P.S. I had 2.75 front wing and 1.25 rear on the Ferrari, but was still unable to pass a Matra in its slipstream! Wasn't expecting such a difference.

wondering if I am the only using more front then rear wings.. good to know I am not.
My Ferrari served max topspeed inside slipstream behind an Matras of 321kmh , during my offline test here.
without any car in front 296kmh  (PB still pur 2-18-35 ) .. whats yours have been Hristo ?

Not checked exactly, but something similar, yes. Nice pb, btw. :)


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 05, 2009, 03:26:12 PM +0100
LOL

Never thought that I would ever be able to say this but the diff on my Matra was 15/85/3  :D 

And she was flying!


Wings are for whimps!!!!


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 05, 2009, 03:33:39 PM +0100
Maybe we just say split alphabetically by chat name? 
Nice to be victims of our own success though  ;D

Can't you hijack GPLRACERS grid system?  They are on holiday!


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: vosblod on August 05, 2009, 03:43:27 PM +0100
Maybe we just say split alphabetically by chat name? 
Nice to be victims of our own success though  ;D
Can't you hijack GPLRACERS grid system?  They are on holiday!
Ideal for something like this but srou is not set up for it. Also we don't want to force people to register at UKGPL although we'd like them too  ;)


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Geoff65 on August 05, 2009, 05:03:54 PM +0100
Wings are for whimps!!!!

Pssst, Numpty.....6 winged wimps finished ALL 36 laps..... ;)

To quote a certain member whom shall remain nameless, regarding the wingless rockets....
  "Take off like rockets, come down sticks"

 ;D


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: EvilClive on August 05, 2009, 08:37:52 PM +0100

As for the race it was great fun but Evil and I didn't take each other out, as H has suggested, we had help.  ;D

As we approached the pits we found Stefan Stein's Lotus, stationary and sideways across the track.  LOL  He had run into the end of the pit wall at full chat.  I had wondered how many people had run into the darn thing whilst trying to read their pit board.  Anyway, by the time I could see him it was too late to miss him.

Evil lost a couple of wheels but I was able to carry on but the impact had convinced the engine that it was sick and so I pulled over.

Shame, because I don’t often find myself in a position to put one over on Hristo or Evil but my setup was giving me a definite edge.  LOL  Most of the time they pulled out of my slip stream and then went backwards.  Very reassuring. ;D

I never found anyone to give me a tow but I think I might match Gerard’s 2:15 if I could get tucked in behind someone.

Thanks for the fun!

[/quote]

I was quite enjoying myself in this marathon. Getting pole was a fluke I think, as I only picked up a small tow ...but fortunately just exactly where I needed it.

I had a good start but knew that unless people fell over themselves on lap 1 I would be caught....and I was by Clive L and Paul Skingley as they used the tow to reel me in. But that was ok as we still had 30 or so laps still to survive.

After a few laps Hristo dragged his Fezza into our cosy little club and the 4 of us circulated in a slipstreaming group for lap after lap.

It soon became clear that barring accidents or car failures no-one was going to break away so it looked like a 4 way tussle until the closing laps.

I did not save a replay ( I always seem to forget!!) but I know that Paul's exit, was after a contact between us exiting Curve Grande which I survived but he did not. I'm not sure what happened paul, if I was at fault I apologise but I thought I was holding to my side of the track and certainly was not looking to "nerf" you or block any passing move. I was quite happy sat behind two or three cars being towed around and saving my engine. Even backing off at the end of the straight rather than risk a passing move or over revving the whizzy bits, and anyway there was a long way to go.

Despite being 4 secs adrift from Hristo and Clive after the contact with Paul, it took only 2-3 laps to draw them back to me, so I knew I had plenty of speed in hand. As the lap count down got into the low 20's Hristo had a moment at Lesmos and then ran wide at Parabolica as he wrestled with his puncture. This left Clive in his Low Drag Matra pulling me around in my Lotus. Hristo was a few seconds back but did not seem to be closing as fast as I expected ( now I know about the puncture it makes sense).


I was beginning to think that the "plan" was working out quite well ...here i was sitting comfortably in 2nd spot with a willing windbreak in the form of Clive L's Matra ,..Hristo 3rd slightly incapacitated... and the 4th place car some 30 seconds back, and the race not quite half way through!!!

Ah, but it is not wise to start a census amongst the poultry, whilst there are still hens on nests :-\

There I was a comfortable 25mtrs behind Clive, exiting Parabolica and aligning myself exactly in his wheel tracks for the whizz around the bankings when........................................I happened to notice Mr Loynes leap sideways at about the same time as I caught sight of a flaming wreck of a car directly in front of me!!! This was almost a subliminal image as it appeared and vanished so quickly, whilst I got a birds eye view of the pits and two of my wheels making a bid for freedom.

It was a great race despite the sudden ending and I think the full grid shows that there was real interest in something slightly different for a change. If everyone had thought that it really was too long , then surely there would not have been so many willing to try??? I don't think that a whole season of such races is viable, but as occasional "special events" a resounding success. >:D





Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on August 05, 2009, 09:35:05 PM +0100

It was a great race despite the sudden ending and I think the full grid shows that there was real interest in something slightly different for a change. If everyone had thought that it really was too long , then surely there would not have been so many willing to try??? I don't think that a whole season of such races is viable, but as occasional "special events" a resounding success. >:D

It's not long when you have someone to slipstream and battle with, but way too long when you don't.  ::)


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: NickyIckx on August 05, 2009, 10:00:42 PM +0100
 ??? 11 discos ??????????? if thats true none can tell that event a success.....


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 05, 2009, 10:28:08 PM +0100
Wings are for whimps!!!!

Pssst, Numpty.....6 winged wimps finished ALL 36 laps..... ;)

To quote a certain member whom shall remain nameless, regarding the wingless rockets....
  "Take off like rockets, come down sticks"

 ;D
LOL

I'll back my rocket against your parachute any day!   ;D

Don’t think any amount of wing would have saved me from a bloke turning the pit straight into a car park.  Unless it made me so slow that he had buggered off by the time I got there.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Phil Thornton on August 05, 2009, 10:56:11 PM +0100
??? 11 discos ??????????? if thats true none can tell that event a success.....
The importer can't reliably determine why a driver didn't complete the full distance.  Sometimes it will state accident but most of the time it will state disco even if someone retired due to mechanical failure.  Genuine discos are quire rare.  I suspect in this case most people either crashed or blew an engine, it was pro rules after all.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Hristo Itchov on August 06, 2009, 02:32:54 AM +0100

Don’t think any amount of wing would have saved me from a bloke turning the pit straight into a car park.  Unless it made me so slow that he had buggered off by the time I got there.


Or... your wings generate positive lift and you fly over the trouble zone!


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Geoff65 on August 06, 2009, 07:24:32 AM +0100

I happened to notice Mr Loynes leap sideways at about the same time as I caught sight of a flaming wreck of a car directly in front of me!!! This was almost a subliminal image as it appeared and vanished so quickly, whilst I got a birds eye view of the pits and two of my wheels making a bid for freedom.


I must admit Clive, the end of that pit wall claimed my r/h wheels once or twice in practice for this race....as it shows up poorly at a distance and just seems to appear out of nowhere to claim ownership of the rubber-coated whizzy bits of your car. I learned to stay well left near the cones on that leg of the track, the hard way.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: NickyIckx on August 06, 2009, 08:28:36 AM +0100
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The importer can't reliably determine why a driver didn't complete the full distance.  Sometimes it will state accident but most of the time it will state disco even if someone retired due to mechanical failure.  Genuine discos are quire rare.  I suspect in this case most people either crashed or blew an engine, it was pro rules after all.

 :) ah ok . glad to hear . ( didnt know , thx for information ) :)


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 06, 2009, 09:06:01 AM +0100
Maybe we just say split alphabetically by chat name? 
Nice to be victims of our own success though  ;D
Can't you hijack GPLRACERS grid system?  They are on holiday!
Ideal for something like this but srou is not set up for it. Also we don't want to force people to register at UKGPL although we'd like them too  ;)

Just a thought but you could make use of GPLRank.

It would be possible to create a Division called "Next Race" under the UKGPL League.  Anyone who enters the race by posting in srou could be added to the division and then filtering in "Multiple Choice Hell” to only look at drivers in the Next Race division would give you an ordered list that would let you divide the field.

People would need to up load their times to Rank when they have made an improvement.  In the case of Hristo, who only uploads his times once a millennium, you could just seed him through to the fast grid.  Same with the likes of Mike and Paul, if they have indicated that they are going to race.

Having spent some time organising races I personally feel that the least people could do is to let you know if they are going to race.  That way you can see if there is a problem.

So long as prospective entrants have a GPLRank account they can be added to the division without their actually registering with UKGPL.

All of this assumes that you are going to strike lucky again and pick on a combination that people want to race in vast numbers.  But you have done it twice.


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: vosblod on August 06, 2009, 09:57:54 AM +0100
It would be possible to create a Division called "Next Race" under the UKGPL League.  Anyone who enters the race by posting in srou could be added to the division and then filtering in "Multiple Choice Hell” to only look at drivers in the Next Race division would give you an ordered list that would let you divide the field.
Sounds a really good idea, might think about that next time but there's only two more races left in the summer lot.
I've sort of got to know most of you since being at UKGPL so, as a stop gap, could probably rely on my judgement to split the grids into two by calling a block of names for grid one. I'm sure I wouldn't get it exactly right but it would be a quick solution...


Title: Re: ENDURO GIGANTE - Monza10k - Aug 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on August 06, 2009, 10:05:28 PM +0100
I have the answer to our problems Evil.

A nice man called Ginetto has nipped out and painted the Armco yellow so people can see it from further away!

Just lob the mip file that is here

http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?p=3984467&posted=1#post3984467

 into the Monza 10k track folder and the jobs done.