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Title: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 03, 2009, 06:56:52 PM +0100
All members welcome - no registration required.

Practice 1:20:00(10 mins)
Qual 2:20:10(25 mins)
Race:20:35(80 mins)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT2 or GT3 from the UKGTR Physics Pack v2.10.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#post_physics).
Weather: Changeable, seeded from real-world conditions.
Track: UKGTR Monza (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) as part of the UKGTR Track Pack v1.2)
Race Start Time: 04:00.
You will very likely need to turn Headlight Effects up to High in the Video options if not already set that way to see the brake marker boards at 4am.
If you're still struggling and don't already have it, we recommend the brighter headlights patch (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=14378).
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Lower Endurance
Password: See above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Standings and schedule can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=218;theme=3)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the car physics pack and track pack (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP 2000-present) - Aug 9
Post by: H@L9000 on August 04, 2009, 12:32:07 AM +0100
Race Start Time: 04:00.

Fantastic. :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Cobo on August 07, 2009, 01:00:50 PM +0100

Hi pals, may i take part on this one? If so, I will use a 430 .


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 07, 2009, 01:07:11 PM +0100
Hi pals, may i take part on this one?

Please do! ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Stewprovo on August 07, 2009, 01:21:23 PM +0100
Man this place is bumpier than I remember ??? Porker is all over the place on them, bit of a handful :surrender: I'm sure its a set-up thing :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Legzy on August 07, 2009, 01:27:38 PM +0100
Man this place is bumpier than I remember ??? Porker is all over the place on them, bit of a handful :surrender: I'm sure its a set-up thing :-\
Try adding some water to the track Stew... then you'll know what bumps are! ;)
Monza is a good track, but it's the worst track to drive when it's raining. I've been catapulted off a few times here, while driving in a straight line in the wet  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 07, 2009, 03:33:19 PM +0100
If so, I will use a 430 .

... though you might want to come join us in GT3, there's less competition there. ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Cobo on August 07, 2009, 04:29:17 PM +0100

Well, I will decide tomorrow, I haven´t tested any of them, but I have miles on the f430 on the R247 league...

Thank you for the admission!!



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Cobo on August 07, 2009, 05:48:51 PM +0100
a li´l thing about that, what could be a decent time around here in both classes?

in order to know if I will be very much off the pace...





Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: goldtop on August 07, 2009, 06:19:31 PM +0100
Hi Cobo, good to see a new face here :)

There are lap record times for the various classes posted at the top of the page. As a rough measure, the range of quali times usually fall between these and approx +5%. I wouldn't worry too much if you're outside these as lapping consistently is more important (or so I keep telling myself).

Should be a few on the server later on, so be good to see you there if you can make it. Hope you're not too fast ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Truetom on August 07, 2009, 07:41:24 PM +0100
He is. ;)  Hi, Cobo. Good to see you here. 8)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Jeffrey on August 07, 2009, 08:26:32 PM +0100
There are lap record times for the various classes posted at the top of the page. As a rough measure, the range of quali times usually fall between these and approx +5%. I wouldn't worry too much if you're outside these as lapping consistently is more important (or so I keep telling myself).

All the laprecords from the 2007 races aren't representable anymore :).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 07, 2009, 09:02:52 PM +0100
I stuck a 1:57 down in the 350Z on mediums and full fuel at the 4am night setting and with no practice, I'm sure the faster GT3s will be 3-4 seconds a lap ahead of that.

I did find that I needed to turn Lighting Effects up to High in the Video options to see the brake marker boards at 4am. :laugh: I'll update the race announcement to say so.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Cobo on August 07, 2009, 11:37:45 PM +0100
Hi TrueTom, hope to be at good level on the race, very fast pals around here!

Man 0400, that will be... Excellent!!



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Mark J on August 08, 2009, 09:16:03 AM +0100
Welcome Cobo, nice avatar with the Scuderia Italia  8)..perfect for Monza, spirito di Corsa !

Look forward to challenging the prancing horses on their home turf in my Zuffenhausen Steed :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Cobo on August 08, 2009, 09:58:19 AM +0100

I managed to do a couple of laps yesterday night, and I´m stuck in the 51´s,  have to suit to the cutting rules, the stewards are against me!! if you don´t mind I will race finally with my loved f430, niice car, really love the setup and the sound. One thing, I think the engine is considerably less healthy than in the r247 version, in only 15 laps i managed to get only 75% health!

Monza is one of my fav tracks, and by night is fantastic.

Raring to go!



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: ginsters sponsored on August 08, 2009, 02:04:54 PM +0100
Welcome Cobo :)

I'm looking forward to this and heck I might even finish. Think I'll go with the Lambo as its a little under-represented.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Mark J on August 08, 2009, 05:03:00 PM +0100
jumping on the server if anyone cares to join me :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: spanner on August 08, 2009, 08:18:36 PM +0100
Just never been happy around here, start trying to push and bang, your in the wall. Dont think i've finished a race yet so will be just looking to finish.

Typical, just seem to struggle in the first sector in the Porsche. Been doing 1.52's consistently earlier and and somehow managed a 1.51 something.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Legzy on August 08, 2009, 11:19:02 PM +0100
Managed to get down to a best of 1:49.6 in race trim, with most laps being about 1:50.
So I'm hoping that will put me in good shape  :-\ unless it rains, then my car will quickly be in a wall & I'll be taking an early bath.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Mark J on August 09, 2009, 10:29:48 AM +0100
best i managed online was a 1:50.5 in race trim so your ahead of me Legzy. Add some rain with low wing settings in the 997 and i fear it will be an early bath for me  :-X thats assuming i dont get disco'd again  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: H@L9000 on August 09, 2009, 02:40:30 PM +0100
Good to see you here Cobo (another person faster than me :D) just watch out for the dark and the rain if it appears.

It sure is dark at 4am at Monza. I have not raced in that level of darkness for over a year, it is a good way to make this track more difficult. My laps are slowed by over a second.

If the rain comes this will be a real challenge. :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Legzy on August 09, 2009, 03:45:28 PM +0100
Race Start Time: 04:00.
You will very likely need to turn Lighting Effects up to High  in the Video options if not already set that way to see the brake marker boards at 4am.
Do you mean "headlight effects"? That's the only similar option I can see. It sure is dark at 04:00 & any extra light would be a great help!!!


EDIT - My headlights are already on high & I just tested another car to see if I'd painted over the lights when I skinned it. I didn't. You can't see anything for 70% of the track in either car. Can't see any of my braking points & I don't understand picking that start time for a track that is so badly lit ???. Unless there is some option for adding some extra light, then this race is probably spoilt before it starts :(.
Please add an hour or two to the start time so there is a hint of light at least.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 09, 2009, 04:12:16 PM +0100
EDIT - My headlights are already on high & I just tested another car to see if I'd painted over the lights when I skinned it. I didn't. You can't see anything for 70% of the track in either car. Can't see any of my braking points & I don't understand picking that start time for a track that is so badly lit ???. Unless there is some option for adding some extra light, then this race is probably spoilt before it starts :(.
Please add an hour or two to the start time so there is a hint of light at least.

Moving the start time later will make the braking point for the second chicane invisible, owing to the sun being directly in your eye line.

With lightning effects on full, you should be seeing the various marker boards - if not, you may need to turn some of the other details up slightly until you can.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: spanner on August 09, 2009, 05:17:10 PM +0100
Thats just it, there isnt an option called lighting effects  ???


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: goldtop on August 09, 2009, 05:28:43 PM +0100
There is a mod available that gives slightly improved headlights. I've just tried it on the server (in the current daylight setting) and I didn't get booted. Obviously there are issues of unfair advantage/compatability, so I guess a decision should be made whether it is to be permitted or not this late in the proceedings.

My own view is that it would increase the quality of this event, providing of course it doesn't cause any server problems.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 09, 2009, 05:47:26 PM +0100
Thats just it, there isnt an option called lighting effects  ???

In the "Video" page of the options. At least mine is.
EDIT: the exact name is "Headlight Effects"

There is a mod available that gives slightly improved headlights. I've just tried it on the server (in the current daylight setting) and I didn't get booted. Obviously there are issues of unfair advantage/compatability, so I guess a decision should be made whether it is to be permitted or not this late in the proceedings.

I would guess most of us are already using it - there's no way to police it.

It's here (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=14378) for those who aren't using it already.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: spanner on August 09, 2009, 07:16:01 PM +0100
Oh, headlights, ok :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: H@L9000 on August 09, 2009, 07:27:11 PM +0100
It's here (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=14378) for those who aren't using it already.

Thanks Dave. That made a big difference. :)

I had been using the medium headlight setting and could not really see much. I installed the mod keeping the medium setting and could see much more of the track. My lap times were back to within half a second of my daylight lap times. I could see no drop in frame rates also. :)

I also tried putting the headlight setting to high (with the mod) and could see a bit more but, I think medium is good enough when using the mod. The frame rate did drop with high headlight setting when all the cars were close at the start (tested off line), but then was the same as on medium when the cars hard spread apart.

I guess its not as realistic to use the mod, but I really cant see much without it. ::)

Night races look splendid in cockpit view. :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Legzy on August 09, 2009, 07:29:55 PM +0100
There is a mod available that gives slightly improved headlights. I've just tried it on the server (in the current daylight setting) and I didn't get booted. Obviously there are issues of unfair advantage/compatability, so I guess a decision should be made whether it is to be permitted or not this late in the proceedings.
I would guess most of us are already using it - there's no way to police it.
It's here (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=14378) for those who aren't using it already.
Now got it & it does make a difference. Instead of looking like I'm waving a candle in-front of the car... it looks like I've got at least two candles! ;) ;D
Cheers


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: ginsters sponsored on August 09, 2009, 08:41:23 PM +0100
A pc reboot right at end of quali, I really dont believe that  >:( That might be last race for while as this is as much fun as crabs.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Jure on August 09, 2009, 09:08:40 PM +0100
disco.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Mark J on August 09, 2009, 09:34:59 PM +0100
Race ruined by two ridiculous stop and go penalties  >:(

one minute i am running 4th/5th having a great 4 car battle with those around me, then the next i'm relegated to the back of the field from stupid penalty. The cut warnings suck. The first one was because i took to the escape road at first chicane when legz and gazza had some kind of coming together in front of me and i had nowhere to go, i slowed almost to a stop and made sure i gained no places in the lane to avoid any warnings but it gave me an instant S&G  ::)
The second one was at the same first chicane, my brakes snatched under hard braking with the extreme hot track temp of 41 degrees, pitched me rearward across first kerbs...and hey presto, another instant stop and go. :cursing: Crazy. ???
That put me well out of contention and a lap down to the leaders. I lost all enthusiasm and started making mistakes but wanted to see the race through in case it rained or other surprises and was loving the night driving. Then when i got spat into the wall off a kerb and smashed the front of the car up and both lights, i quit in exasperation. :(

Loved the night time lighting, it looked awesome and made a great new angle for an endurance event. I can only imagine it got better as the sun started to come up. The cars and track looked superb with headlights and track lighting. :thumbup1:
Just sort the bloody cut warnings out !


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Cobo on August 09, 2009, 09:39:57 PM +0100
bad luck, disco after the pits, fighting for fourth.

BUT before this, one of the most enjoyable races of my entire life, big duels with almost everybody, (and one too optimistic move on the second lesmo, sorry pal)

Nice drive from everybody, willing to repeat asap.

I love this league!




Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Mark J on August 09, 2009, 09:41:26 PM +0100
glad you enjoyed it Cobo, it was good fun (upto a point!), you looked like you were having fun mixing it up with us regulars from 4th-9th  8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Cobo on August 09, 2009, 09:54:34 PM +0100

yeah, a little bunch of mistakes cost me to fall up and down a little bit, but the joy was inmense.

Raring to go on the next one, with your permission!



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: goldtop on August 09, 2009, 09:56:31 PM +0100
Miserable quali and race for me :(

Didn't get a clean quali lap and found myself behind GT3 polesitter API. Didn't want to risk a move and he was too quick anyway, so sat behind him until I was eventually caught by some GT2 guys that had spun out on lap 1. Lost it into Para a couple of times and took heavy damage which I had repaired, but by that time I'd had enough. Did a few more laps but decided to esc rather than get in the way.

Bad bad luck ginsters :( I hope you decide to persevere. Just think how much worse I'd be without your help :scooter:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Truetom on August 09, 2009, 10:09:31 PM +0100
Bad luck with the discos and some such. :(
Well, Gallardo just won't do. :no: Very unstable car, had so many spins and rookie mistakes... More than Season 2, I think. Have to pick something else. :( Was on the verge of quitting in disgust, had a stop/go as well. Then I put 1 liter too few fuel and stopped in the middle of Parabolica... :-X

Grats to winners. Bad day for Legends. :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Stewprovo on August 09, 2009, 10:11:56 PM +0100
Well, I've never liked this track anyway....thats my excuse...and I'm sticking to it!!! Hope I don't spend anywhere near as much time in the gravel on my trackday at Donnie GP tomorrow, or I'll be most upset. Gratz to poduim, bad luck teamies SBG and GoldTop, reckon ginsters could have won tonight. See you all next week.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: JonM_uk on August 09, 2009, 10:18:58 PM +0100
Unlucky with the PC SBG. I'm sure you'd have won that race :(
I had no practice before this race but because it was Monza I thought I'd give it a whirl, all you gotta do is remember your braking markers...But I'd never raced here in the dark :-[ All was ok in the end tho'. The F430 seems so easy to setup and drive. My setup was pretty rubbish but because the tyre wear is so small with this car it didn't really matter just put the splitter wing to 1-1 and went on my way. Unlucky to all those last lap disasters :( Picnic, TT, H@L and Stewprovo
Take F430 TT it handles like a dream


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Mike Hammer on August 09, 2009, 10:24:30 PM +0100
Race (EDIT) by two ridiculous stop and go penalties  >:(

You and me both, man. Well, didn't ruin my race as both were in the final 5 minutes, so I still got a lot of fun out of the race. Spun coming into the pits too  :laugh:

The little Beemer was really nice on the tires, only had wear to 10 on the left front at the halfway mark, around 6 on the others. Changed them anyway as I wanted to fix my headlight.

Sorry about getting in your way with my other spin, Prof or Peter.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Prof on August 09, 2009, 10:26:14 PM +0100
About the only positive from that is no stop/go penalties which I feared the most.
However I loaded the wrong setup for the race after qually which left me a badly handling, slow car which never revved anywhere near the red line.

Well done to podiums and all those faster than me (everyone I mean).



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: picnic on August 09, 2009, 10:37:08 PM +0100
Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20090809%20U10LE/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: H@L9000 on August 09, 2009, 10:41:53 PM +0100
Nice race. The dark was much fun. ;D

I was having a great chase with Simon for about 35 mins or so. He was faster in the second half of the lap and I caught up again in the first. This made for a great fight in which I found it very hard to make a pass. I almost had it once but went straight off. Very consistent Simon. I was having to concentrate very hard. I eventually missed my braking point on the last corner and lost loads of time. :'(

I took an early stop for repairs and fuel and got the fuel amount short by 1L. I ran out of fuel on the S/F line of the last lap and Gazza took the place. :o ;D

I was really hoping you would back off enough not to do that last lap John. :D oh well.

One cut warning on lap 1. LOL. No actual stop and go until about lap 39/40. ::)

Well done podiums. Unlucky disco sufferers. :(

More night races please. :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: ginsters sponsored on August 09, 2009, 10:42:21 PM +0100
My quali lap didn't even register? I hate PC's and GTR2.

Cyu next week  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 09, 2009, 10:49:40 PM +0100
That went from promising to frightening and ended up bemusing.

Seemed to have a reasonable car in practice and qually but come the race I was badly off the pace for the first 15 minutes and was getting passed left, right and centre. Picked up two cut warnings at the second chicane early on from turning in too early and after that I had to be soooo careful and couldn't afford to take any risks.

Was on mediums and planned not to change them when I stopped. About 30 minutes in the car unexpectedly ran wide in Parabolica, touched the grass and spun, losing 10 seconds or so. Pitted immediately to top up the fuel and recover my composure. Things seemed to be working out okay and I gained a lot of time over other stoppers, but I never had anything like the pace required to compete with them and after all the stops I was way back from everyone but Prof.

Even without the previous spin and another very similar one in Curva Grande I was never going to finish any further up and in no way deserved the extra spot Picnic's late splash and dash problem yielded. :(

Really disappointed with my pace here, both poor and, worse still, inconsistent. ???


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 09, 2009, 11:06:21 PM +0100
No practice, but that's normal. Managed 5th in qualifying despite the F430 feeling pretty slow in a straight line. I was running 2-4 wing cause I find I can do faster laps with more wing than less here and I can certainly run consistently with more wing. Was a disadvantage in the race when people are overtaking, or you are trying to overtake.

Night-time would have been ok, except that my whole car body flashed as did my mirrors and the bodies of other cars whenever headlights were a certain distance to me. This made the opening few laps so hard as it was so hard to see anything, especially in the mirrors. It was horribly distracting, but eventually as the pack spaced out it became easier.

I got 2 cut warnings, but they were both fair and I certainly became less aggresive at the 2nd chicane after the second one for fear of stop and go.

Very pleased with 3rd for the 2nd race in a row.

Well done to Jon on the win, great pace up front and well done to Jose for chasing me down after I jumped you in the pits. Shame about Ginsters problems as he looked miles faster than everyone else in qually too.

GT3 field was very small again. Is it worth having a championship with so few in it?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: H@L9000 on August 09, 2009, 11:19:28 PM +0100
4th 5th and 6th For Team Psuedo in GT2 and 4th in GT3. Well done team. :)

Gazza maintains the championship lead (just about).  ;D

Nice job Jorgen in a very difficult race as it was your first for a while.

I am now going to go all Barachello and say that I am upset with the team Psuedo pit crew as they clearly gave me 1L of fuel to little so that Gazza could maintain his lead in the championship. It was just too well calculated to be luck. ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Gazza49er on August 09, 2009, 11:46:56 PM +0100
The dark was nice but was giving me some weird graphics at times, the textures would go at certain points of the track and the rear mirror was pretty much useless as all i could see in it was a reflection of my own car.

Qually was terrible, couldn't get a clean lap.

The start of the race was mad, as 4 or 5 cars all fighting for the same place, good fun but pretty squeaky bum aswell. Everyone seemed to be quicker than me down the straights as a couple of times i got a good run on Legzy but pulled out the slipstream and he would edge away.

Was up to 4th just before the stop but a little wiggle in the second chicane gave me a stop & go  :-\
Decided to do my pitstop before the stop & go and came back out in 13 or 14. Drove much better second stint and got back up to 5th from others troubles and then poor h@l ran out of fuel on last corner gave me 4th. Quite happy in the end but dont like getting places from others problems.

Those lights on the 997 are very good arnt they! When Mark was behind me my whole screen went yellow totally over powered mine lol.

Grats podiums.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Mike Hammer on August 10, 2009, 12:21:51 AM +0100
My quali lap didn't even register? I hate PC's and GTR2.

Cyu next week  :)


 ;D

Sounds like an addiction, almost  :laugh:


Lest I forget, Grats to APi and Lazlow. GT2 podium also.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Truetom on August 10, 2009, 12:30:37 AM +0100
Take F430 TT it handles like a dream

I drove it last season, so... So many new cars to try, seems a shame to drive only one - even if it is the best of the pack. ;)

Edit: might take the Panoz, nobody seems to like it.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: lazlow on August 10, 2009, 12:56:14 AM +0100
GT3 field was very small again. Is it worth having a championship with so few in it?
I love this championship  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 10, 2009, 07:27:01 AM +0100
My quali lap didn't even register? I hate PC's and GTR2.

I've poked it in by hand - it wouldn't be right to let a new class record vanish like that.

Was up to 4th just before the stop but a little wiggle in the second chicane gave me a stop & go  :-\

You cannot get a stop and go from "a little wiggle" unless you're already sailing dangerously close to the track limits. I know some of you always feel aggrieved about getting S&Gs here but before we changed the track people were regularly driving completely off the track at all three chicanes and getting away with it.

And MJ, at least you didn't get disco'd this time. :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: ginsters sponsored on August 10, 2009, 08:07:09 AM +0100
Did you try my Lambo setup TT? Felt ok to me but I like the MC12 ;)

I've poked it in by hand - it wouldn't be right to let a new class record vanish like that.

Ta, thats one positive from last night :) It should take me through another bout of pc testing.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Jure on August 10, 2009, 08:07:30 AM +0100
Disco disco disco!

AAaarghhh.

I got at least 5 discos in afternoon practice, so did most of other drivers on the server at the time. Is it possible it has something to do with the track itself or something?  ???



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Gazza49er on August 10, 2009, 08:59:28 AM +0100

You cannot get a stop and go from "a little wiggle" unless you're already sailing dangerously close to the track limits. I know some of you always feel aggrieved about getting S&Gs here but before we changed the track people were regularly driving completely off the track at all three chicanes and getting away with it.



Wasnt complaining Dave, i agree with the cut warnings, was trying to explain that i caught the first kerb of the second chicane wrong and it unstabled my car and i slid and then had to go across the second kerb.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 10, 2009, 08:59:53 AM +0100
Edit: might take the Panoz, nobody seems to like it.

Panoz is not bad actually TT. I tried it along with a lot of the cars at Imola and the lap times were pretty decent indeed. It's also pretty soft and forgiving, so not one of those skittish type cars.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Gazza49er on August 10, 2009, 10:28:13 AM +0100
The Panoz is good, i drove it last season and won a few races in it.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: phspok on August 10, 2009, 10:36:04 AM +0100
Steady race for me, can't remember falling off anywhere without assistance from lapping cars
Had no S&Gs in the race at all, and I was gradually abusing the kerbs out of Ascari more and more
only place I got a S&G was in prac into della rogia which seemed a bit keen.
Tyres held up well, probly could have got away with not changing them all at stop time
Biggest prob for me was trying to let the GT2s through, they were a lot quicker through
the corners, but some were slower on the straights, I had to keep driving almost
off the road to make it easy "come on WILL YOU get past PLEASE before I fall off!!!!!"
Jumped in the car at prac and dialed in a quick safe setup, probably could have gone a bit
quicker with time. Was struggling to see dark part of tarmac for braking points
got a bit tense once or twice when I braked at the wrong marker board, both one too early
and one too late.. eeeek


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Truetom on August 10, 2009, 10:40:25 AM +0100
Did you try my Lambo setup TT? Felt ok to me but I like the MC12 ;)
Tried it, but it's undrivable for me. Just couldn't keep the back still. Any sustained braking turned the car, any bump also turned the car. Chicanes made it nasty every time and there are 3 - multiply by 41 laps...  ::)  Oh, I had only two spins in the chicanes, so in average it's not so bad. :P

Was the same in Estoril, could never handle that chicane either, lost loads of time there. Thought when I actualy managed to set up Marcos...  :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Legzy on August 10, 2009, 12:19:33 PM +0100
Edit: might take the Panoz, nobody seems to like it.
Panoz is not bad actually TT. I tried it along with a lot of the cars at Imola and the lap times were pretty decent indeed. It's also pretty soft and forgiving, so not one of those skittish type cars.
The Panoz is good, i drove it last season and won a few races in it.
I actually found the Panoz to be the quickest car in the GT2 class, but IIRC, it mullered its tyres & drank fuel like it was going out of fashion.
F430 was nearly as quick, more forgiving when I get it all wrong & is fairly kind to its tyres & fuel tank.
But I'm thinking something needs to happen to the F430 to make it less attractive. Seven F430's last night & they locked out the top four slots. Will there be a mid-season update to fix the balance Dave? Also Team Oldie have some lovely new skins for submission  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 10, 2009, 12:36:14 PM +0100
If anything needs to be done to the addon cars like the Ferrari, it's the tyres, because it's waaaaay too easy on it's tyres, the rest of the car is ok compared to other cars.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Legzy on August 10, 2009, 12:52:44 PM +0100
Unlucky SBG & all the others that got booted this week, I know how pants that feels  :(

Qually went surprisingly badly :o. Managed to screw up every single lap I tried in one sector or another, but still managed 3rd on the grid which I was pleased with.
Quite possibly my best ever drive to date tonight, which is a shame as a few things spoilt the race experience for me:

1) The first 30 mins of the race, it felt like I was in reverse. I did not enjoy the initial darkness one bit, it added only disappointment & frustration to the experience for me. I installed the headlight patch & it did help compared to being with out it, but I found no way to race in those conditions, despite me driving well. For example, MJ mentioned I had a coming together with Gazza at chicane one which also led to MJ taking evasive action down the slip road. Did we???? I am totally oblivious to this & if I was at fault, please report me Gazza/Mark. All I could see was blackness, fuzzy kerbs half the time & the inside of my car reflecting in the mirror. I didn't have a clue where other drivers were or what was going on & felt it impossible to fight safely with other drivers so generally just conceded positions. Once minimal light started to appear, I was sorted & able to drive/race normally... I still think I might have got myself up to 3rd/4th, but...


2) Five mins before I pitted, my Mrs declared that her PC wouldn't work & that I had to fix it. I managed to negotiate that it could wait till I pitted, but my pitstop ended up being 3 mins longer then most other peoples stops ::). So that was the end of my competitive race really. Managed to work my way up from last (21st) to 11th (would have been tenth... more to follow ::)), but boy is it tough getting back past GT2 cars that have lapped you & your pitman on the radio keeps warning you "it's your 1st blue flag pull over.... It's your 2nd blue flag pull over...", had a couple of nervous moments there trying to get away from them quick enough ;D

3) I ran out of fuel  ::). Well actually i ended up parking at the end of the pitwall & waited for JonM to come round & win the race, before I trickled over the line. Lost me four more positions  :lol: :lol: :lol:, when will I learn!

I do like 'low level' light driving, I don't want to sound down on it, but GTR2 needs some light from somewhere or it removes the racing side of it (for me anyway).

Well done to all finishers, especially both podiums.

See you all in Germany (if you're not at Road Atlanta  (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6619.msg114716#msg114716) on Tuesday)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 10, 2009, 02:13:57 PM +0100
Will there be a mid-season update to fix the balance Dave?

Yes. There are some balancing changes and some additional structural changes planned.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Gazza49er on August 10, 2009, 02:25:36 PM +0100
For example, MJ mentioned I had a coming together with Gazza at chicane one which also led to MJ taking evasive action down the slip road. Did we???? I am totally oblivious to this & if I was at fault, please report me Gazza/Mark.

No coming together, i think he means when you got that chicane a bit wrong which made me slow up and probably made MJ have to go wide.

Have to agree with Legzy on the darkness though. I did offer something different but i found it very difficult to "race" other cars at the start because i just couldnt see what was around me properly.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: H@L9000 on August 10, 2009, 03:08:41 PM +0100
Have to agree with Legzy on the darkness though. I did offer something different but i found it very difficult to "race" other cars at the start because i just couldnt see what was around me properly.

That is part of the extra challenge of night racing. I did find it harder to get used to racing in the wet than in the dark though, I have to say. Its really difficult in cockpit view, but so atmospheric with the light effects in the car when passing under the flood lighting. :)

There was a moment early in the race when I was side by side with Legzy as we approached the second chicane and when I got there I realised that I could not tell Legzys position, so I slowed allot and went wide to leave room. I should have been more cautious on the approach and claimed the racing line behind Legzy as Simon went straight passed us both. Doh. Sorry Legzy.

The darkness means you have to be more tactical (as I discovered in the above example) which is great for endurance racing IMO. :)

I think we just all need more night race practise. ;D The practise server could have done with a dark practise 1 or 2 I thought.

Corner cut warning are spot on. The public servers are a joke on this track with people using stupid amounts of curb. Its only when taking avoiding action across the curb that causes the problems. Not much can be done about that I suppose.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: H@L9000 on August 10, 2009, 03:42:02 PM +0100
The Legzy, me and Simon thing looked like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRTK3Aph0l8


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Mark J on August 10, 2009, 06:00:41 PM +0100
For example, MJ mentioned I had a coming together with Gazza at chicane one which also led to MJ taking evasive action down the slip road. Did we???? I am totally oblivious to this & if I was at fault, please report me Gazza/Mark.
No coming together, i think he means when you got that chicane a bit wrong which made me slow up and probably made MJ have to go wide.

Sorry couldnt post all day because of stupid net restrictions at work >:(. Yeah it may well be that you didnt actually hit each other, all i saw out corner of my eye in a nano second under hard braking was you two almost stationary and a load of tyre smoke  :o so i immediately went straight on to avoid any contact. Weird that it hit me with an instant S&G as if you use that lane in any other session it doesnt give you a cut warning as long as you drive very slowly through it and dont gain any time.
My beef with the S&Gs here is they just seem a bit too draconian and spoil the natural line through the two latter chicanes. I agree some kind of cut warning should in in place but not as near to the track line as that. Your supposed to be able to have two wheels across the green strips not get a penalty for it. The problem is amplified in the 911's as it often forces such an unnatural jerk of the wheel to avoid that it un-balances the car. The other problem is you can pick up a penalty just avoiding someone else getting a wobble mid corner, as happened to me last night with someones recovering GT3 Beemer and i had to dive left of him, getting a a warning for my troubles ::) or when you enter the chicane un-sighted behind a car or two.

Its strange some of you suffered graphically with the night lighting, it was perfect on my pc. I wasnt even using the headlight mod, just my tasty euro spec amber headlights  8) I had no probs with visibility just cut marshals  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: spanner on August 10, 2009, 06:30:46 PM +0100
Well i think the night racing definately made things more interesting, eyes were on stalks trying to pick up my braking points and trying to stay concentrated for so long. It took a while to gradually get up to speed which kinda helped allround i think as people were taking it cautiously.

Was slowly gaining on the battle up ahead early on which was getting interesting with people littering the track! But picked up two cut track warnings in a lap and ultimately had a a stop and go. Thought my race was going to be lonely but this brought me out a sec or so behind MJ so was hoping for some good racing later on but sadly you quit out before i could find out.

With about 15mis to go Blunder appeared a couple of secs infront after his stop and felt i could reel him in but ended up sideways into Lesmo 2,  hit the inside curb and then i lost all drive. came to a standstill but the engine was still idling, temps were ok. I thought it was better to jump out rather than stay there and get collected by someone, but it seems the connector came loose on the steering wheel ???



Oh well, so close to actually finishing a race around here :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 10, 2009, 06:35:36 PM +0100
Its strange some of you suffered graphically with the night lighting, it was perfect on my pc. I wasnt even using the headlight mod, just my tasty euro spec amber headlights  8) I had no probs with visibility just cut marshals  ;)

I wasn't running the headlight mod either. I gave it a go and it made no difference at all as far as I could tell. :-\

With the mirror on, when the game changes from high-res LODs to low-res LODs, this can be slightly different distances depending on what your "level of detail bias" is set to (75% makes it closer and 125% makes it further away), lights shining on other cars start to flicker the textures of the cars getting the headlights projected on them. I don't know whether it happens with the "real" mirrors, but with the virtual mirror on it's horrible. Turning the mirror off stops the problem there and then, but then you can't see anyone coming up behind you.

One of the things they did in rFactor in one the later patches is allow your headlights to project on other cars and the track whilst leaving the other cars to only project on the track surface (for increased FPS).

I was accidentally running HIGH headlights setting, intead of LOW. I think if I had had it where I meant to it wouldn't have been a big problem. I believe MEDIUM and HIGH cause problems because medium projects light on other cars and high projects lights on track-side objects, whereas low merely projects onto the track surface. Medium and High are also FPS killers.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 10, 2009, 06:36:44 PM +0100
P.S. One tip for night racing is to turn off lights in your house, so it's dark to go along with your screen. It really helps pick things out more easily.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: ginsters sponsored on August 10, 2009, 10:43:43 PM +0100
Tried it, but it's undrivable for me. Just couldn't keep the back still. Any sustained braking turned the car, any bump also turned the car. Chicanes made it nasty every time and there are 3 - multiply by 41 laps...  ::)  

To be fair, it was good on the straight bits  ;)

I quite like the present match up between 430 and Lambo. For me, the Lambo is marginally faster but trickier which makes it an intriguing battle, just hope my pc stays alive long enough for me to enjoy one. I couldn't get the same performance from the porka mind :'(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 10, 2009, 10:58:20 PM +0100
I'm like TT on the Lambo, just can't to grips with it. It's very slow in my hands, but it clearly has a big straight line speed advantage.

Well done to you SBG, cause you're getting the best out of a car that to me feels awful.

This is what it's all about. Some drivers work with some cars and others with others. Different characteristics mean there is overtaking.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Legzy on August 10, 2009, 11:45:26 PM +0100
The Legzy, me and Simon thing looked like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRTK3Aph0l8
The thing with that moment in the clip, is that I had zero idea that Simon was there. He's soo lucky that I didn't just take him out 100% accidentally. It's a situation that would never have happened with even minimum ambient lighting (i.e one hour later). For starters, I'd have known exactly where my braking point was, exactly where Hal was & how fast he was traveling & that Simon was cued up... & there is no way would Hal have got along-side/past, let alone Simon jump the two of us.

I lost six positions for the same reasons, to drivers I out qualified & then was faster then when the lighting levels came back up. >:(

Legzy

p.s. I had the lights off in the room & headlights on full with the extra mod.
p.p.s. With regards MJ's stop/go's... Am I right in thinking that once you've had a stop/go, you can't receive any further warnings. It's just another instant stop/go?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 11, 2009, 08:40:42 AM +0100
Am I right in thinking that once you've had a stop/go, you can't receive any further warnings. It's just another instant stop/go?

Correct.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Reign Man on August 11, 2009, 06:41:44 PM +0100
Gutted I've missed the last couple of races. Should be back for the next one though.  Looks like its been good racing!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance - Monza (GP) - Aug 9
Post by: Jorgen Wahlby on August 13, 2009, 03:30:52 PM +0100
I have to say that this race was really good fun. I haven't been racing for awhile and I guess it showed. Sorry Blunder for the bump the second lap at the chicanes  :-[ I just wasn't paying attention to where my break marker was and ended up in your rear. So after my little misstake, I had to let Blunder retake his position and let everyone pass me before I could make a safe reentry on the track  :angel: Gratz to all on the podium but and a big pat on the back for Team Pseudo for taking 4'th 5'th and 6'th place.

See you next time...  :wheelchair: boys