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Title: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Phil Thornton on September 05, 2009, 07:34:43 PM +0100
UKGPL Season 18 - Inter-League Race - Zandvoort - Race Cancelled and run as Season 19 Warm-up instead

This is the rescheduled Inter-League race that was originally planned for Sep 13th (and subsequently Oct 11th).  Lets hope this is third time lucky and we get a real race.  

Our guests are AtlasF1, they scored a comprehensive win over us last time at Monza, dominating the podium, in fact taking the first four places.  The race was won by our former membership secretary Paul Skingley and the chap who finished third looks familiar too!  Each league is to field nine cars, and there are no chassis handicaps, drivers will be racing to complete the distance and score points for their team.  Let's have an extra special UKGPL welcome for AtlasF1.

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 20:55 UK London time (20:55GMT), (You will need to set up a channel called #ukgpl if you haven't already done so)
Chat and Race passwords: see above (#post_event_password)

Server TBD (4.UKGPL or 6.UKGPL)
IP address  TBD

Race date = 07-03-2010
Time = 21:00 UK London time (21:00GMT)
Track = Zandvoort
Variant = 66F1
Damage Model = PRO
Qually time = 35 minutes.
Race length = 45 laps (complete 41 laps to score points as a finisher)

Chassis assignments: (Captain to advise)
BT19 - TBD
one of the BT11 versions, driver to choose - TBD
one BRM, driver to choose between P261 and P83 - TBD
Cooper - TBD
one Eagle, driver to choose between T1F and T1G - TBD
one Ferrari, driver to choose between 246 and 312 - TBD
Honda - TBD
one Lotus, driver to choose between 43 and either of the 33 versions - TBD
McLaren - TBD

If you'd like to represent UKGPL in this race please post on the thread and advise what chassis you'd prefer.  Driver lists and points scored can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=226&theme=6)

Please Note: The logistics involved in organizing an Inter League race are more complicated than for a regular league race.  Particularly when different time zones are involved.  Consequently the details above are liable to change.  Please will all drivers check this thread regularly to make sure they don't miss any important updates.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on September 05, 2009, 07:41:46 PM +0100
As I said in the S18 Interleague thread, for this one, it'd help a lot if people could post their preferred chassis. As this is Zandvoort, it's arguably a tossup between the 2L+ and 3L cars, the 3L waltzes on the straight, and the 2L+ cars make it up in the corners. :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Doni Yourth on September 05, 2009, 07:58:18 PM +0100
First dibs on...  Why, nothing at all.  I don't have a fav so everyone else who comes onboard, make you pick, by all means.  I'm happy to drive the leftovers.   ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Hristo Itchov on September 05, 2009, 08:31:54 PM +0100
Uhm, we're running mixed 2l and 3l chassis? I thought this was already discussed thoroughly last season and decided it's hardly reasonable to do it...  ::) A recipe for distaster!

Anyway, Jethro... since it's your first race as a captain and it's Zandy which I adore, leave my chassis allocation for last, whatever is left vacant I'll take it. If I have to chose between 2L and 3L though, I I'll go with a 3L just to avoid the madness on the fast bits. Mclaren and Lotus 43 (it's a 3L, right?) spring up to mind, but it's not mandatory.  ;D

Cheers,

-=Hristo=-


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: EvilClive on September 05, 2009, 09:01:04 PM +0100
May I politely request the 2 litre Brab BRM for this race, what Hristo does not harrass on the straight I will bother around the rest of the circuit  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Phil Thornton on September 05, 2009, 09:02:59 PM +0100
Uhm, we're running mixed 2l and 3l chassis? I thought this was already discussed thoroughly last season and decided it's hardly reasonable to do it...  ::) A recipe for distaster!
It is an Inter League not a Historic round so the same rules don't apply.  I've used the same 66mod options we ran for all the 66mod Inter Leagues we did in Season 17.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: MikeBeattie on September 05, 2009, 09:18:41 PM +0100
I'm in for a 66, as usual anything will do


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Samb on September 05, 2009, 10:00:38 PM +0100
I'd quite like to give the Mclaren a go, but if it falls to someone more deserving, i'll be happy with any other 3L car.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 06, 2009, 12:07:46 AM +0100
I think that I could get the L43 to the finish but, obviously, Hristo will get it nearer the sharp end.  Failing that I could give the Cooper a go if yer like.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Hristo Itchov on September 06, 2009, 12:55:09 AM +0100
It is an Inter League not a Historic round so the same rules don't apply.  I've used the same 66mod options we ran for all the 66mod Inter Leagues we did in Season 17.

I know that, but I'm quote sure we had a discussion concerning the use of mixed 66 fields in Interleague races last season.

It's really common sense not to use a mixed field and I'm sure anyone who has experienced the complications of doing so (as much as we've done here in UKGPL) will realize that.

On the other hand, it's going to matter a bit less at a track like Zandy.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Phil Thornton on September 06, 2009, 01:24:14 AM +0100
It is an Inter League not a Historic round so the same rules don't apply.  I've used the same 66mod options we ran for all the 66mod Inter Leagues we did in Season 17.

I know that, but I'm quote sure we had a discussion concerning the use of mixed 66 fields in Interleague races last season.

It's really common sense not to use a mixed field and I'm sure anyone who has experienced the complications of doing so (as much as we've done here in UKGPL) will realize that.

On the other hand, it's going to matter a bit less at a track like Zandy.
The last race (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6133#event1762) we had against Atlas was in the 66s and we used all the cars (well only a couple of BT11s and a 33 BRM from the 2 Litres) so they will be expecting the same again unless I say something quickly.  It is not too late for me to request a 3 Litre only race if that is what the team want but if we go for a similar car allocation at this track as we had for the previous race at Monza, are a couple of BT11s and a 33BRM going to cause chaos?  Captain's decision ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on September 06, 2009, 08:50:32 AM +0100
I'll need a smidge more time to think about this. :) I should have a response tonight.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: EvilClive on September 06, 2009, 11:15:43 AM +0100
For what its worth....

Last night I jumped on Clive L's server for some 66 fun at Zandy and tried my Brab BRM 2 litre setup against Clive in a Big Lotus and Paul Skingley in a Big Fezza ( what else!!). Clive was having issues with his Lotus and large rear end ;) and quit the race to become spectator and commentator on our duel.
We did a 17 lap race where Paul was holding me up by about a second a lap for almost the whole race and only able to hold me off by virtue of his extra grunt down the straight, until 4-5 laps from the end where I eventually harrassed him into an error and slipped through. I was far enough in front by the time we approached Tarzan to know that although he was level, I had the inside line and could outbreak him. Sadly he lost control trying to match my braking and squirmed sideways ( how unusual for Paul  lol) and clipped me into the sand dunes. ( he apologised afterwards  lol and waited as it was a fun event). I suspect that in a serious race he may not have risked trying to stop the red tank in such a short distance and would have tucked in behind hoping for a mistake from me to allow him through again.
If that contact had not happened, I know that I was faster through the rest of the circuit and would have built a lead big enough to protect me from the grunt of the Ferrari next time down the straight and would have been able to pull away after that.

I guess what I am saying is that ..at Zandy a 2 litre car can compete with the 3 litre barges, if one is patient ( about 12-13 laps last night) and in my case I was capable of faster lap times when I had a clear track. Paul's sideways style often meant that although he had overcooked a corner and was so far sideways that he was almost stopped, there was no way through and I had to brake to avoid contact,  hold position and wait for another opportunity.
I take Hristo's point that the difference in handling and outright speed between the two groups makes life "interesting" but I have to admit I thouroughly enjoyed the battle of wits and tactics involved last night.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Hristo Itchov on September 06, 2009, 11:33:57 AM +0100
I take Hristo's point that the difference in handling and outright speed between the two groups makes life "interesting" but I have to admit I thouroughly enjoyed the battle of wits and tactics involved last night.

Yes, at a track like Zandy it's not so bad I suppose, though it's impossible to make a pass in a 2L car unless the 3L car ahead makes a mistake. But on tracks like Monza, Reims and the likes, it's awful, I won't forget some of the BREASTS races we had soon after the mod was released.

If we could have more than 20 drivers on a server such races could be ran in separate classes for 2L and 3L so you won't have to compete with a much different car. One day, hopefully...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 06, 2009, 11:37:25 AM +0100

Last night I jumped on Clive L's server for some 66 fun at Zandy and tried my Brab BRM 2 litre setup against Clive in a Big Lotus and Paul Skingley in a Big Fezza ( what else!!). Clive was having issues with his Lotus and large rear end ;) and quit the race to become spectator and commentator on our duel.
Actually I was also having issues with my wife who insisted that I take hold of a cup of tea and drink it in a hurry as she wanted to set the dishwasher.  ::)

I was far enough in front by the time we approached Tarzan to know that although he was level, I had the inside line and could outbreak him. Sadly he lost control trying to match my braking and squirmed sideways ( how unusual for Paul  lol) and clipped me into the sand dunes. ( he apologised afterwards  lol and waited as it was a fun event.
LOL I think you might put that with the rest of your ill gained apologies.  I don't think that your driving down the middle of the track gave him much room.  But it was impressive how you cleared that fence.  ;D

I guess what I am saying is that ..at Zandy a 2 litre car can compete with the 3 litre barges, if one is patient ( about 12-13 laps last night) and in my case I was capable of faster lap times when I had a clear track. Paul's sideways style often meant that although he had overcooked a corner and was so far sideways that he was almost stopped, there was no way through and I had to brake to avoid contact,  hold position and wait for another opportunity.
I take Hristo's point that the difference in handling and outright speed between the two groups makes life "interesting" but I have to admit I thouroughly enjoyed the battle of wits and tactics involved last night.
I'm afraid it’s true. The Hooligans rule Zandvoort.

The little BRM might be interesting.  Quite a turn of speed in the slipstream.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: EvilClive on September 06, 2009, 03:19:00 PM +0100
lol,    actually just watched the replay.

 I thought I left enough room ( just ::)) for that fat Fezza, maybe I was occupying 60% of the track, but I wanted to defend that corner at all costs and I held a straight line under braking at least  m'lud.

But whatever, the launch was spectacular  lol...don't think I have EVER cleared that fence on the outside of Tarzan before. Good job the grass was soft out there. ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: MikeBeattie on September 06, 2009, 04:07:13 PM +0100
If I remember from the first ADC Interleague which was at Zandy, yes some the 2 litres can stay behind a 3 litre, thanks to the tow, but in the main a 3 litre can cruise up behind a 2litre, pass him on the straight and then hold him off round the back.

If you are going to ix the 3 litres and the rest, then as has been done before only use the quick sub3 litre cars.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Kruger Enge on September 07, 2009, 09:45:00 AM +0100
I'd like to take a BRM Brabham too...

But if that's not available, I'll take anything (other than Ferrari 3L :o)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: FullMetalGasket on September 07, 2009, 09:57:05 AM +0100
Must admit I'm fairly easy on this on - Tempted to request the Eagle, however I have a terrible record of completing races in either the 2.7 or 3l car so I might be better elsewhere......

Like clive I do enjoy the smaller BRM powered cars though. Could be talked into the Cooper or honda I guess. Just don't think I'll be overly competitive in either  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: john roberts on September 07, 2009, 11:18:25 AM +0100
could i have the cooper?

john


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 07, 2009, 11:30:51 AM +0100
Have we run out of cars yet?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on September 07, 2009, 12:41:26 PM +0100
I need to do a tally search of who's requested what. Give me a short while and I'll do a provisional 66s list. :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on September 07, 2009, 01:10:18 PM +0100
Right, this is what I have so far, based on what people have requested, and their preferred chassis in the sign-up thread. Bear with me, it's my first captains role, so I may be a bit rusty. :)

The Brabham BRM seems to be a popular choice, however bear in mind the Lotus 33 BRM and the BRM P261 have the same engine. :)

I'm taking the Eagle for this one, as I love the track and I know the Eagle Weslake very well. :) Plus, nobody wanted it. ;D

BT11: evilclive (your choice)
BT19: Sam Blood
Honda: Tim Muttram
Ferrari: Kruger Enge (your choice)
Lotus: Clive Loynes (your choice)
Eagle: Jethro Walters
Cooper: John Roberts
McLaren: Hristo Itchov
BRM: Mike Beattie (your choice)

If anybody's totally unhappy with their chassis choice, let me know please and I'll see what I can sort out. I have tried to accomodate your chassis choices in the selection. For now, I hope you're happy with the choices I've made. Hristo I always had in mind for the McLaren cos he knows it so well! Sam, the BT19 may be the car for you. :) Kruger should be able to get the Ferrari well up to speed, and Mike can slug the BRM around faster than most. :D Doni, I've got you down as a reserve for this (10 drivers ya see), but if you're really eager to do this particular round, let me know and I'll see who can step aside. :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: john roberts on September 07, 2009, 01:23:01 PM +0100
Doni, I've got you down as a reserve for this (10 drivers ya see), but if you're really eager to do this particular round, let me know and I'll see who can step aside. :)

well if you want i can step aside , however i would then be free to race for Atlas again like i did last time .

john


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Doni Yourth on September 07, 2009, 01:49:06 PM +0100
NP.  Although somewhat of a disappointment...

I'll be around just the same to pad the grid if someone is a no-show.  I'll try to get some laps down in all marques in preparation.

BTW, the ADC held their first practice go on the weekend.  I don't think it would be contrary to sportsmanship to post the results as it is published on their forum.  Here you go...

http://forums.speedgeezers.net/index.php?showtopic=30363&view=findpost&p=337684


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Hristo Itchov on September 07, 2009, 01:52:11 PM +0100
Doni, I've got you down as a reserve for this (10 drivers ya see), but if you're really eager to do this particular round, let me know and I'll see who can step aside. :)

well if you want i can step aside , however i would then be free to race for Atlas again like i did last time .

john

Don't let him go, Jethro!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Kruger Enge on September 07, 2009, 02:00:30 PM +0100
Right, this is what I have so far, based on what people have requested, and their preferred chassis in the sign-up thread. Bear with me, it's my first captains role, so I may be a bit rusty. :)

The Brabham BRM seems to be a popular choice, however bear in mind the Lotus 33 BRM and the BRM P261 have the same engine. :)

I'm taking the Eagle for this one, as I love the track and I know the Eagle Weslake very well. :) Plus, nobody wanted it. ;D

BT11: evilclive (your choice)
BT19: Sam Blood
Honda: Tim Muttram
Ferrari: Kruger Enge (your choice)
Lotus: Clive Loynes (your choice)
Eagle: Jethro Walters
Cooper: John Roberts
McLaren: Hristo Itchov
BRM: Mike Beattie (your choice)

If anybody's totally unhappy with their chassis choice, let me know please and I'll see what I can sort out. I have tried to accomodate your chassis choices in the selection. For now, I hope you're happy with the choices I've made. Hristo I always had in mind for the McLaren cos he knows it so well! Sam, the BT19 may be the car for you. :) Kruger should be able to get the Ferrari well up to speed, and Mike can slug the BRM around faster than most. :D Doni, I've got you down as a reserve for this (10 drivers ya see), but if you're really eager to do this particular round, let me know and I'll see who can step aside. :)
I'm ok with the Ferrari Jethro but I'll take a 246 so 3L Ferrari is available...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on September 07, 2009, 03:32:20 PM +0100
The way this works, Kruger, is that the potential driver of the Ferrari or Lotus or BRM can choose which model he wants. You have the choice between the 246 and the 312, so you've taken the small one, which means nobody else can have the 312.

Did I get that right?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Kruger Enge on September 07, 2009, 03:42:38 PM +0100
The way this works, Kruger, is that the potential driver of the Ferrari or Lotus or BRM can choose which model he wants. You have the choice between the 246 and the 312, so you've taken the small one, which means nobody else can have the 312.

Did I get that right?
Ah, ok, I get it now :) I'll take a Ferrari then - I will test both and see what suits me better.

Jethro, please make sure KERS is fitted in it :P


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on September 07, 2009, 04:35:45 PM +0100
If you take the 312, it'll have so much power it feels like KERS is fitted. Just ask the amount of people that get passed by Paul Skingley in that car! :P

Hristo, I have no intention of letting John defect. He's firmly in that Cooper with key'd restraining belts. :P


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: fpolicardi on September 07, 2009, 05:48:17 PM +0100
I'm late for this one too, if you want put me as a reserve in whatever car.
Ciao


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Kruger Enge on September 07, 2009, 07:05:49 PM +0100
If you take the 312, it'll have so much power it feels like KERS is fitted.
True, only, there is no button I understand, it goes off all on its own :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on September 07, 2009, 07:52:12 PM +0100
Thanks Fulvio, if you could be a reserve just in case there are some no-shows/dropouts that'd be swell. :)

This race is this Sunday 13th September, at 2100 UK time. At some point this week I'd like to have a team practice with a server if there's one available. Where's Tim when ya need him? :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: MikeBeattie on September 07, 2009, 08:05:00 PM +0100
Jethro,

I'll try them out and see which BRM is best, initial thoughts are the little one, but I'll try the big beastie, as it's not too bad a car in the 66s


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on September 07, 2009, 08:13:39 PM +0100
The little one's good around Zandvoort, but the big one's fun! :D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Phil Thornton on September 07, 2009, 10:56:44 PM +0100
Thanks Fulvio, if you could be a reserve just in case there are some no-shows/dropouts that'd be swell. :)

This race is this Sunday 13th September, at 2100 UK time. At some point this week I'd like to have a team practice with a server if there's one available. Where's Tim when ya need him? :)
I can put my server up whenever you want, just post what night(s) you want here ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on September 07, 2009, 11:02:58 PM +0100
Thanks Phil. I have Friday or Saturday night at 9pm in mind. :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Kruger Enge on September 08, 2009, 12:29:49 PM +0100
Jethro, BREAST will be running an open 66 mod race at Zandvoort tomorrow (Wed) at around 10:15 PM UK Time. We will each be running our designated chassis for the inter-league race so its a good opportunity for a group practice.

Everyone's welcome.

Kruger


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on September 08, 2009, 12:37:27 PM +0100
Great idea Kruger, catch that everybody? :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: FullMetalGasket on September 09, 2009, 11:27:49 PM +0100
The Honda has promise I think. Although to qoute Clive L it's 'the normal handfull'.
Hoping to somehow make it more drivable on low fuel levels as it's a total swine once you've less than 10laps worth of fuel onboard...

Where'd you guys keep going? Did you all forget you can Shift R on Gladys?  :P


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 09, 2009, 11:31:34 PM +0100
Track: Zandvort             Wed Sep 09 23:08:55 2009

PRACTICE TIMES

Pos No Driver                           Team     Nat      Time      Diff Laps
 1  24 Colin McRae66                    McLaren  GBR 1m26.775s              7
 2  44 65 evilclive                     BraBT11B GBR 1m27.354s   00.579s   19
 3  34 Kruger Enge 66                   Ferr 246 AUS 1m27.919s   01.144s   13
 4  28 Clive Loynes66                   Lot33BRM GBR 1m27.989s   01.214s   10
 5  36 Jethro Walters66                 EagleT1F GBR 1m28.231s   01.456s   15
 6  17 Sam Blood                        BrabBT19 GBR 1m28.386s   01.611s    8
 7   8 Tim Muttram66                    Honda    GBR 1m29.052s   02.277s   13
 8  32 bernie66 darwin                  BraBT11B GBR 1m30.618s   03.843s    9
 9  38 Bartosz66 Antoszczyszy           Lot33BRM MON 1m32.488s   05.713s    5
10  30 Robert Burton66                  BrabBT19 GBR 1m40.151s   13.376s    2
11  46 BREASTS 03                       BraBT115 GBR   No time   No time    0

All times are official
Generated with GPL Replay Analyser


Track: Zandvort             Wed Sep 09 23:08:55 2009

RACE RESULTS (After 14 laps)

Pos No Driver                          Team     Nat Laps   Race Time       Diff
 1  24 Colin McRae66                   McLaren  GBR   14  20m51.675s           
 2  44 65 evilclive                    BraBT11B GBR   14  20m51.805s    00.130s
 3  34 Kruger Enge 66                  Ferr 246 AUS   14  20m54.468s    02.793s
 4  28 Clive Loynes66                  Lot33BRM GBR   14  21m05.787s    14.112s
 5   8 Tim Muttram66                   Honda    GBR   14  21m51.519s    59.844s
 6  32 bernie66 darwin                 BraBT11B GBR    7  11m20.624s   7 lap(s)
 7  17 Sam Blood                       BrabBT19 GBR    4   6m11.836s  10 lap(s)
 8  36 Jethro Walters66                EagleT1F GBR    0   0m00.000s  14 lap(s)
 9  38 Bartosz66 Antoszczyszy          Lot33BRM MON    0 DidNotStart  14 lap(s)
10  30 Robert Burton66                 BrabBT19 GBR    0 DidNotStart  14 lap(s)
11  46 BREASTS 03                      BraBT115 GBR    0 DidNotStart  14 lap(s)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Hristo Itchov on September 10, 2009, 12:18:00 AM +0100
That was the best finish EVER!  :jumpjoy:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 10, 2009, 07:49:35 AM +0100
Very neat, I was just a bit disapointed that you didn't get him to appologise.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Hristo Itchov on September 10, 2009, 08:05:37 AM +0100
Very neat, I was just a bit disapointed that you didn't get him to appologise.  ;D

He left too early...  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: EvilClive on September 10, 2009, 08:56:57 AM +0100
Very neat, I was just a bit disapointed that you didn't get him to appologise.  ;D

He left too early...  ::)

I was off to draft my written apology like any gentleman driver would:-

 " So very sorry that my postioning of my car in front of yours caused you to get your nose hooked in my ass, your obvious attempt to avert a collision by swerving to your left almost worked, but how fortunate that  my resultant spin took me out of your path, thus allowing you to cross the line unhindered in first place " .................You absolute ratfink!!!!

.and plan my revenge :shifty: ..oh yes and get some sleep 'cos I wos Knackeredereder after a long day at work :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: FullMetalGasket on September 10, 2009, 09:16:10 AM +0100
I'll have to try and make a video of that finish - just need to remember where I put the GPL cam editor now....


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 10, 2009, 10:01:32 AM +0100
I could probably do with a race run on PRO settings to see if I am being cruel to the engine.  Do you intend any other outings and will they be run as PRO events?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Hristo Itchov on September 10, 2009, 12:14:39 PM +0100
I'll have to try and make a video of that finish - just need to remember where I put the GPL cam editor now....

Didn't two of them Nascar drivers have a similar finish last year or something? I guess I qualify!  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 11, 2009, 08:55:54 AM +0100
I have decided that the L33 BRM is a better bet for me at Zandvoort than the L43.

I have more chance of seeing the finish and I'm faster in it as well.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: EvilClive on September 11, 2009, 10:18:29 AM +0100
I'll have to try and make a video of that finish - just need to remember where I put the GPL cam editor now....

I think Hristo's nefarious move should be recorded from ALL angles and published for everyone to see!!...I woz robbed!!! :o


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 11, 2009, 11:21:04 AM +0100
I'll have to try and make a video of that finish - just need to remember where I put the GPL cam editor now....

I think Hristo's nefarious move should be recorded from ALL angles and published for everyone to see!!...I woz robbed!!! :o

I watched the replay and quite enjoyed it!  ;D

It was warp.  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: EvilClive on September 11, 2009, 06:05:42 PM +0100



 :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :wetfish:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Hristo Itchov on September 11, 2009, 07:43:09 PM +0100



 :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :wetfish:

Out of last corner:

Hristo:   >:( "ARGH"  , Evil: :tt1: "Victory shall be mine!"
=========================================================================

Slipstreaming:

Hristo: "Get here you nasty 2L Brabham!" :fencing:  Evil: "Get away you ugly McLaren!"
=========================================================================

Before the s/f line:

Hristo: :gun_bandana: "I can't afford to lose!!!" , Evil:  tumbleweed "NOOOOOOOO..."
=========================================================================

After the finish:

Hristo:  :jumpjoy:  :lol: "HOORAH!"  , Evil: "$^&@#$#@$" :eek: :wheelchair: :cursing: :censored: :'(
=========================================================================


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Phil Thornton on September 11, 2009, 10:40:40 PM +0100
Gents

Bad news I'm afraid.  Atlas have only been able to assemble 4 drivers so we've had to postpone this event until 11th October.  Very disappointing but hopefully they will be able to put out a full team next month.  I won't be able to arrange alternative opponents at this late stage.  I'm still planning to run a race on Sunday but it will have to be a practice session.  I've invited the 4 Atlas drivers so we could have a UKGPL A and UKGPL B team (comprising the Atlas drivers and 5 of us) if we get enough drivers.

Regards

Phil


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on September 11, 2009, 10:59:10 PM +0100
That's unfortunate, but perhaps a blessing. I was just getting to love and hate the T1F!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Hristo Itchov on September 12, 2009, 01:40:04 AM +0100
I guess we can give them 5 ppl from UKGPL and run a practice race, yeah. Zandy is too much fun to missed easily. Jethro, when am I going to see the Zandy form your showed in your very first race?  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on September 12, 2009, 11:49:51 AM +0100
When I can get the car up to speed with a decent setup. ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Phil Thornton on September 12, 2009, 07:41:34 PM +0100
I've set UKGPL4 up on a loop just in case anyone wants to test their connections or get some praccy in :D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: MikeBeattie on September 12, 2009, 08:44:37 PM +0100
Err.......... Phil it's running the 67 cars


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Phil Thornton on September 12, 2009, 09:33:11 PM +0100
 :oops: thanks Mike.  Sorted now  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on September 12, 2009, 10:22:50 PM +0100
Since this is essentially a "practice race" against Atlas this weekend, and we're to palm off 5 people to them, I'm willing to let chassis choices slide. If anybody else wants a crack at driving these cars, they're welcome to join them in a particular car that's not being driven. Ask them in chat tomorrow evening what's being run by them.

This is good practice, by the way, for the S18 Historic series that's starting this Tuesday, since Zandvoort favours the 2L cars more than the 3L cars, and Watkins Glen is being run to 2L regs. :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Burtoner on September 13, 2009, 11:36:58 AM +0100
Just this race?, no other races this weekend?

I used to be having one every weekend, div 1, then clubsmans???


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Hristo Itchov on September 13, 2009, 12:50:15 PM +0100
Just this race?, no other races this weekend?

I used to be having one every weekend, div 1, then clubsmans???

Earth to Burt, Graduates is Div1 and Clubmans combined, raced on a single day (last Sunday).


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on September 13, 2009, 12:57:32 PM +0100
I won't be doing all the race as I need to have an early nights sleep. Got to leave at 5.30am for an interview tomorrow morning. I'll stick around for qualy and the first few laps of the race. :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: cure on September 13, 2009, 03:16:45 PM +0100
i'll join if its still possible, don't have clue about which chassis though.

edit: BT19


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: EvilClive on September 13, 2009, 09:57:40 PM +0100
 Apologies to Hristo and whoever else got caught up in my first lap screw-up :-\

After a great quali without a tow, I just needed to do a good 1st lap and then I put a wheel on that sandy stuff, just where it had the most effect!!
It just produced a wild tank slapper that I could not control and looks like Hristo could not avoid :'(

I will have to eradicate that move from my driving before the real race. ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Turkey Machine on September 13, 2009, 10:02:52 PM +0100
That was fun while it lasted. Did OK in qualifying, despite doing my darndest to hit 27s and only scraping 28.2s out of the little Eagle. Put me 6th on the grid. Guy in front didn't take the grid slot, so I had an empty space with which to slingshot into. Around the outside of Tarzan on lap 1 I was in 5th. Then Hristo and evilclive had a nice big collision which put me in the pound seats. When the 2 cars in front had a moment on lap 2 at Tarzan, one of which decided the inside grass was a good place to brake, I nipped through on the inside and held the lead for a lap until Mike Beattie slipstreamed me into Tarzan on lap 4. I followed him until the same corner when I braked later than him on the outside, got the car slowed down just enough to turn in, but understeer forced my car onto the grass where I spun in a nice 360 and parked it. I'd realised that was the ideal moment to head to bed. :)

If I practice enough in future, this race should be a doozy. Evilclive had his Brabham BRM nicely set up, as did Hristo his Macca. If Tim sorts out his Honda, I'm sure he's good for a consistent finish. :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: cure on September 13, 2009, 10:17:36 PM +0100
qualified 3rd or 4th with a 1:27.xx, can't remember, then started a lap down since i didn't have that bottle lol! basically i went for a bio break after practice and arrived too late for the race. started a lap down from the pits, drove a bit, unlapped myself to one person and then retired out of boredom. it was no fun driving in the middle of nowhere.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Samb on September 13, 2009, 10:38:18 PM +0100
That was fun while it lasted. Qualified near the back but some attrition allowed me to battle with the leaders Mike & Clive once Jethro spun into the scenery. I overtook Clive after he had a wobble out of the last corner and then passed Mike once he made an error at some turn I won't even bother attmepting to spell  ;D. So I was in the lead, but Mike was all over the back of me. I could only withstand so much and got a little greedy into the same turn Mike went off, and spun off myself. After that I made far too many errors trying to catch the leading pair and eventually quit in self-disgust.  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Hristo Itchov on September 14, 2009, 09:42:35 AM +0100
Apologies to Hristo and whoever else got caught up in my first lap screw-up :-\

After a great quali without a tow, I just needed to do a good 1st lap and then I put a wheel on that sandy stuff, just where it had the most effect!!
It just produced a wild tank slapper that I could not control and looks like Hristo could not avoid :'(

I will have to eradicate that move from my driving before the real race. ::)

Hey np, Evil, it wasn't the real race, plus I should've put it on pole and therefore avoid you!  :D That was a great laptime in qualifying though, don't think I could've gone faster.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 14, 2009, 10:27:59 AM +0100
LOL

Not many finishers but at least Mike and I could still see each other at the end.

That was a bloody long race and I came to the conclusion that Lotus definitely got the “customer” engine from BRM.  Actually, I think that I was just under geared since my ratios were unchanged from the original Cloyd setup and he isn’t interested in slipstream.

Mike in his P261 was able to breeze past on the straight so my only chance of victory would be for him to make his third mistake at Gerlachbocht, which he didn’t.

I think that I started about fifth but cant confirm it because I was so busy talking to Mike and Tim after the end of the race that I forgot to take a replay until it was too late.

I made a reasonable start but just tried to follow Kruger.  Someone may have been on the grass at Tarzan because when Evil very kindly took care of Hristo I found myself chasing Kruger for the lead.

When I tried to pass, my lack of straight line speed meant that Kruger and I were still side by side into the braking area at Tarzan.  He was on the inside and I suspect that he put a wheel on the grass on the way in because he shot across my bows and off up the banking.  I lost momentum and that put Mike and Jethro through.

As Sam has said, I made a mess of the last few corners at some point and he was able to pass me in his BT19 and chase off after Mike, Jethro having departed for his early night.

When I got my act together I was holding the gap to the front pair and closing very slightly.  Then Sam appeared on the grass at Scheiviak and I just had Mike to chase at about 4 seconds up the road.  Sam was a couple of seconds back but thankfully dropped away after a while.

I closed to about three seconds of Mike and then he had his first off at Gerlachbocht. (T2-T3)  That put me in the lead but when I saw my pit board next time round and saw that it said L21 then I knew that there was no way that I was going to stay there.

Mike motored past and got back to his three second margin.  Then he dropped it again in the same spot and this time we only had about ten laps to go so I thought that I had better make a fight of it.  Some hope!  He was much too quick on the straight and in Tarzan for me to keep him back.

And that’s how we finished.

Must have a play with the gears before next time.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Kruger Enge on September 14, 2009, 12:39:59 PM +0100
True Clive, that was a wheel on the grass and my Ferrari turned into an unguided missile - I'm glad I didn't hit you bu as if I were since you did lose momentum, sorry for that, I don't know what was I doing there.

A lap later, I lost it again there, all on my own, and had a terrible rejoin in front of Phil. Sorry Phil, I thought I was going to get away faster.

I simply sucked last night as I struggled to get the grips with 66 mod. Interestingly, I found 67s much easier to adapt to.

Anyway, hope to do better in the real race.

Kruger


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: FullMetalGasket on September 14, 2009, 04:49:43 PM +0100
I was happy enough considering I was in the great white whale...
Found myself sat directly behind Sam on the grid, and promptly spent the first half lap cringing as his car jumped towards and away from me at all to freqent intervals  :o
Found myself holding a decent pace behind him and was even up to 4th by about lap 5 with the leaders not too far ahead. Eventually span trying to stay with Sam's Brab, which let Phil through.
Rapidly gained on Phil before he span out at Tarzan - Don't know if this was due to my ever growing Wazza in his mirrors or a simple mistake.

Had a fairly quiet race from there on trying not to loose too much ground to the leaders, interspersed with 4 spins, multiple missed gears, sweat, and loads of swearing!
Then with only 4 laps to go and me looking safe to finish on the lead lap the engine died on me - Post race report said the camshaft fell out or something  :cursing:

Aslong as I can avoid missing gears and spinning then I should be good for a relatively high finish come the real event  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: MikeBeattie on September 14, 2009, 07:45:27 PM +0100
After all the guys in front lost their "talent", my race was pretty much as described above by Sam & Clive. Sam you have a really evil warp, it was hard to stay close behind you !!  :)

The race is very long, and to be honest 3/4 the distance would be better, as most of the mechanicals happened in the first half of the race.

Yeah, I sort of lost my Karma on the T2/3 complex about half way through the race, and it wasn't until the last 7 or so laps I remembered how to nail it.

Thanks to Sam and Clive on the good clean racing

Evil....you're my new Hero.............but I'm not saying Why  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: EvilClive on September 14, 2009, 09:26:42 PM +0100
"Evil....you're my new Hero.............but I'm not saying Why"  ::) ::)

Now let me think, why would that be>>> ;) :whistling: :punk:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Samb on September 14, 2009, 10:23:12 PM +0100
Ah feck, apologies to Tim & Mike for my internet acting like a prat once again.  Though this race was unusual because it showed my latency was quite low, so I assumed it must have been everyone else  ::). Normally when I warp about like a jack-in-the-box, the columns in the top right hand screen at least have the courtesy to tell me!

Will be using a different provider in a couple of weeks so I can always hope.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Hristo Itchov on September 15, 2009, 02:51:28 AM +0100
"Evil....you're my new Hero.............but I'm not saying Why"  ::) ::)

Now let me think, why would that be>>> ;) :whistling: :punk:

 ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 15, 2009, 11:48:34 AM +0100
Some sort of results would be good.  I didn't get a replay so I have no idea what lap times we were managing.  An analyser report would suffice.

Ta


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: FullMetalGasket on September 15, 2009, 01:02:00 PM +0100
I'll chuck my analyser stuff up when I get home if the results arn't posted by then Clive  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Phil Thornton on September 15, 2009, 07:43:11 PM +0100
Some sort of results would be good.  I didn't get a replay so I have no idea what lap times we were managing.  An analyser report would suffice.

Ta

Clive

I'll create a fun race for these results.  I want to keep this thread for the real race which I'm trying to reschedule (probably for 11th Oct).  I'll get it sorted ASAP.

BTW the set up you gave me was a big improvement.  The car didn't want to go backwards all the time ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: FullMetalGasket on September 15, 2009, 07:59:08 PM +0100
And in the mean time  :angel:

Track: Zandvort             Sun Sep 13 22:57:52 2009

RACE RESULTS (After 45 laps)

Pos No Driver                          Team     Nat Laps   Race Time       Diff    Problem
 1  24 Mike Beattie66                  BRM P261 GBR   45  66m53.777s           
 2  38 Clive Loynes66                  Lot33BRM GBR   45  66m56.993s    03.216s
 3   8 Tim Muttram66                   Honda    GBR   40  60m53.279s   5 lap(s)
 4  32 Sam Blood                       BrabBT19 GBR   21  31m51.180s  24 lap(s)
 5  34 Phil Thornton66                 Lot33BRM GBR   15  23m16.508s  30 lap(s)
 6  17 Ruud Savelkoul 66               BrabBT19 HOL   11  18m30.716s  34 lap(s)
 7  14 Barry Kooistra66                BraBT115 HOL    4   6m23.877s  41 lap(s)
 8  28 Jethro Walters66                EagleT1F GBR    3   4m35.469s  42 lap(s)
 9  30 Kruger Enge 66                  Ferr 246 AUS    2   3m10.667s  43 lap(s)
10  36 65 evilclive                    BraBT11B GBR    0   0m00.000s  45 lap(s)
11  12 Colin McRae66                   McLaren  GBR    0   0m00.000s  45 lap(s)
12   2 Svend Seegert 66                BrabBT19 DEN    0   0m00.000s  45 lap(s)
13  44 Paul Visser                     Honda    CAN    0   0m00.000s  45 lap(s)
14  46 4 UKGPL                         BraBT115 GBR    0 DidNotStart  45 lap(s)


Race results are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

RACE FASTEST LAPS

Pos Driver                                 Time Lap
 1  Clive Loynes66                    1m27.725s  38
 2  Mike Beattie66                    1m27.761s  41
 3  Sam Blood                         1m28.572s  19
 4  Ruud Savelkoul 66                 1m28.626s  11
 5  Tim Muttram66                     1m29.601s  17
 6  Jethro Walters66                  1m30.318s   3
 7  Phil Thornton66                   1m30.453s  10
 8  Barry Kooistra66                  1m31.663s   4
 9  Kruger Enge 66                    1m35.338s   1
10  65 evilclive                        No time
11  Svend Seegert 66                    No time
12  Paul Visser                         No time
13  Colin McRae66                       No time
14  4 UKGPL                             No time


LEADERS

Driver                           Laps
Kruger Enge 66                   1
Jethro Walters66                 2
Mike Beattie66                   3-10
Sam Blood                        11-14
Mike Beattie66                   15-23
Clive Loynes66                   24-25
Mike Beattie66                   26-33
Clive Loynes66                   34
Mike Beattie66                   35-45

Number of lead changes: 8
Number of leaders: 5


LAPS LED

Driver                           Laps led
Mike Beattie66                   36
Sam Blood                        4
Clive Loynes66                   3
Kruger Enge 66                   1
Jethro Walters66                 1


HIGHEST CLIMBER

Driver                           Start Finish  Change
Mike Beattie66                       8      1       7 
Tim Muttram66                        9      3       6 
Phil Thornton66                     11      5       6 
Barry Kooistra66                    10      7       3 
Sam Blood                            7      4       3 
Clive Loynes66                       5      2       3 
Svend Seegert 66                    13     12       1 
4 UKGPL                             14     14       0 
Paul Visser                         12     13      -1 
Jethro Walters66                     6      8      -2 
Ruud Savelkoul 66                    4      6      -2 
Kruger Enge 66                       3      9      -6 
Colin McRae66                        2     11      -9 
65 evilclive                         1     10      -9 


ON TRACK LAPS

Driver                           Laps/Total    Percent
Clive Loynes66                      (42/45)      93.33
Tim Muttram66                       (33/40)      82.50
Mike Beattie66                      (33/45)      73.33
Sam Blood                           (14/21)      66.67
Ruud Savelkoul 66                   (10/11)      90.91
Phil Thornton66                      (9/15)      60.00
Barry Kooistra66                      (3/4)      75.00
Jethro Walters66                      (2/3)      66.67
Kruger Enge 66                        (1/2)      50.00


RACE LAPTIME CONSISTENCY
(first lap excluded)

Driver                    Avg Deviation  Std Deviation  Avg Laptime   Laps
Kruger Enge 66                    0.000          0.000    1m36.786s      2
Jethro Walters66                  0.235          0.235    1m30.553s      3
Ruud Savelkoul 66                 0.262          0.359    1m29.312s     11
Barry Kooistra66                  0.342          0.367    1m32.175s      4
Clive Loynes66                    0.658          0.900    1m29.159s     45
Mike Beattie66                    0.835          1.452    1m29.062s     45
Tim Muttram66                     1.296          2.679    1m31.195s     40
Phil Thornton66                   1.487          1.880    1m32.584s     15
Sam Blood                         2.448          3.450    1m30.798s     21


All times are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

Generated with GPL Replay Analyser


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Sep 13
Post by: Clive Loynes on September 15, 2009, 11:12:06 PM +0100
Thanks Tim.  Great list of leaders.  LOL

Staggered that I had FL.

Pleased that it worked for you Phil.  I was using the 3060 version, I think.  As I have said elswhere, I think that the ratios need sorting for racing as opposed to hot lapping without a tow.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Doni Yourth on October 04, 2009, 03:23:17 PM +0100
What's the latest on driving assignments for this, chaps?



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Turkey Machine on October 04, 2009, 04:17:32 PM +0100
Same as last time, ideally if people can make it.

BT11: evilclive (your choice)
BT19: Sam Blood
Honda: Tim Muttram
Ferrari: Kruger Enge (your choice)
Lotus: Clive Loynes (your choice)
Eagle: Jethro Walters
Cooper: John Roberts
McLaren: Hristo Itchov
BRM: Mike Beattie (your choice)

Are you free for this then Doni? :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Phil Thornton on October 04, 2009, 04:57:09 PM +0100
I'm pretty sure Sam won't be available for this so that should leave the BT19 available. 

As one of the 6 drivers who said they would be available for 75% or more of the races at registration (and is therefore one of the 6 Full Time (FT) drivers in the championship table) then Doni should be first in the queue for the seats.

Having said that, it is the captain's responsibility to pick the strongest team.  I would hope that the list of FT drivers would be a primary consideration though, having a consistent team is key in this championship ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Turkey Machine on October 04, 2009, 05:17:11 PM +0100
You seem far more clued up on this than I am. :)

If Sam indeed can't make it, are you happy with the BT19 Doni? :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Doni Yourth on October 04, 2009, 07:17:45 PM +0100
Absolutely, Jethro.  I've not a lot of seat time in it but I get on well with it.  Count me in.   :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on October 04, 2009, 10:24:08 PM +0100
It's probably madness but I'm leaning towards the L43 for this.

I like the way it goes down the straight.  I'm good at straights.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: FullMetalGasket on October 04, 2009, 10:28:44 PM +0100
To be Fair Clive, Mike can pedal pretty fast so you you're hardly slow in the  baby Lotus  :)
I'd much rather be in that If I'm honest - But have a decent enough setup for the Honda now, so as long as I don't explode all should be well  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: MikeBeattie on October 04, 2009, 10:39:29 PM +0100
Guys

Sorry but I'm going to have to pull out of this one, as I.m competing in a rally next weekend and hopefully won't be home in time for this race ( i.e. if we made it to the Finish !!)



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Doni Yourth on October 05, 2009, 01:14:40 AM +0100
I could hardly think of a BETTER reason to miss the UK INT race, Mike.

Best of Luck!!!   ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on October 05, 2009, 07:41:50 AM +0100
Good Luck Mike.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: MikeBeattie on October 05, 2009, 07:46:51 AM +0100
Thanks Doni & Clive, just navigating this time, my 911 isn't ready yet. It's the Circuit of Ireland Retro, which is a 3 day event for Classic (Pre '74) cars, which involves navigation, regularity trials ( or mental torture on wheels) and speed tests. I'm in a 1973 MG Midget, the last time I was in one of those was in the mid '90s, great fun but a bumpy ride :D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: EvilClive on October 05, 2009, 08:25:14 AM +0100
 A Midget??!! ::) around Ireland on bumpy roads?? for fun??

From my recollection of that particular model, you must be very chummy with your partner Mike?? ;) I think they actually designed space OUT of that creation.

Good luck Mike, despite the obvious discomforts that you will endure, I am kind of envious  ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Turkey Machine on October 05, 2009, 10:31:00 PM +0100
This is my latest list.

BT11: evilclive
BT19: Doni Yourth
Lotus: Clive Loynes
Honda: Tim Muttram
Ferrari: Kruger Enge
BRM: Fulvio Policardi
McLaren: Hristo Itchov
Eagle: Jethro Walters
Cooper: John Roberts

Anybody else wanna make my life hell and drop out of this one?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on October 07, 2009, 07:45:54 AM +0100
Will run BREASTS server tonight at about 10:15 if anyone wants to try out their motor.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Turkey Machine on October 07, 2009, 11:58:26 PM +0100
This race is this Sunday by the way, just in case any of you are getting cushy in your 3L motors for the Monza10k "endurance".


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on October 08, 2009, 04:41:07 PM +0100
This seems to be off the radar.

Only three people turned up for the practice run and the other two wanted the session changed to Monza 10k.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Phil Thornton on October 08, 2009, 07:09:13 PM +0100
Yes that is a very important point.  I intend to announce the Interleague Races as soon as I have firmed up the details with the opposition.  This is to make sure we get organized well in advance and so that the opposition have a formal announcement to look at.

So that means the Inter League team have to read the announcements carefully so you don't get the dates confused and that you understand the format for each round.  That should also help make sure there aren't any cockups (like announcing the wrong race distance :().

The best way to navigate to the InterLeague races is to go via the championship page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=226&theme=6), just click on the flags.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: EvilClive on October 08, 2009, 09:46:00 PM +0100
No worries. Actually looking forward to Zandy on Sunday. Just hope I can survive Lap 1 and get amongst those bruisers with my hooliganmobile  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Turkey Machine on October 08, 2009, 09:52:50 PM +0100
I was so knacked turning up to the practice session would have been a waste of time for me. Saying that, the few laps I have done today on both low and race fuel put me in good stead for the race this Sunday. If I get back in time, that is! ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Doni Yourth on October 08, 2009, 11:47:34 PM +0100
I've practiced the BT19 here with somewhat disappointing results.  While consistant, I'm not quite to the pace I thought I'd reach.  Oh, I'm as fast as anything else in the upper echelon of cars...just thought I'd be quicker.

Hoping that by Sunday, I'll be able to carry the ball with a little more authority.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Turkey Machine on October 09, 2009, 09:23:30 AM +0100
I've practiced the BT19 here with somewhat disappointing results.  While consistant, I'm not quite to the pace I thought I'd reach.  Oh, I'm as fast as anything else in the upper echelon of cars...just thought I'd be quicker.

Hoping that by Sunday, I'll be able to carry the ball with a little more authority.


Just finish. I don't care where, just finish the damn race.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: EvilClive on October 09, 2009, 10:32:55 AM +0100
I've practiced the BT19 here with somewhat disappointing results.  While consistant, I'm not quite to the pace I thought I'd reach.  Oh, I'm as fast as anything else in the upper echelon of cars...just thought I'd be quicker.

Hoping that by Sunday, I'll be able to carry the ball with a little more authority.


Just finish. I don't care where, just finish the damn race.

As long as it is a top 3 position  ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Hristo Itchov on October 09, 2009, 11:20:08 AM +0100
I've practiced the BT19 here with somewhat disappointing results.  While consistant, I'm not quite to the pace I thought I'd reach.  Oh, I'm as fast as anything else in the upper echelon of cars...just thought I'd be quicker.

Hoping that by Sunday, I'll be able to carry the ball with a little more authority.


Just finish. I don't care where, just finish the damn race.

I never treated people like that as a Captain! What a mistake!  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Turkey Machine on October 09, 2009, 01:06:02 PM +0100
I've practiced the BT19 here with somewhat disappointing results.  While consistant, I'm not quite to the pace I thought I'd reach.  Oh, I'm as fast as anything else in the upper echelon of cars...just thought I'd be quicker.

Hoping that by Sunday, I'll be able to carry the ball with a little more authority.


Just finish. I don't care where, just finish the damn race.

I never treated people like that as a Captain! What a mistake!  ::)
That's because you could finish races with ease. The temptation with these events is to go balls-out for the best result possible.

Doni, if that came across wrong, I don't *mind* where you finish so long as you do. Pace is not important, though if you know you can go quicker I guess it doesn't hurt to find x seconds a lap if it's dangled like a carrot in front of you. To compare, I'm on 27s with low fuel, and I know 26s are possible.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Phil Thornton on October 09, 2009, 07:50:19 PM +0100
Server up for praccy on IGOR if anyone wants to play  ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: MikeBeattie on October 10, 2009, 06:18:48 PM +0100
Hope this doesn't be an Omen, but the MG broke it's front wishbone madday on the Saturday :(  So I'm back at home and looking forward to seeing you guys do the business tomorrow night !!

Best of luck :D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Doni Yourth on October 11, 2009, 01:17:36 PM +0100
Bad luck there, Mike.   :(  As a former owner of a 1964 Austin Healey Mk III, a clone to a Midget, I can appreciate that you ran into 'difficulities'.   ;D

For the ADC, I provided for their server a revised, 'open' grid layout on a 3x2 staggered arrangement.  Much better than the original posting for on-line starts, imo.  For our run later today, I can heartily recommend adopting it.  Here are the spex:

[ starting_grid_0 ]
  ; 3x2 staggered grid
  ; polesitter on right
  ; track length is <4189.39>
  ; grid front center at <4178.70,  0.00>
  ; width between boxes  3.10
stall_0 = 4177.00 -3.10
stall_1 = 4167.00  0.00
stall_2 = 4157.00  3.10
stall_3 = 4147.00 -1.55
stall_4 = 4137.00  1.55
stall_5 = 4127.00 -3.10
stall_6 = 4117.00  0.00
stall_7 = 4107.00  3.10
stall_8 = 4097.00 -1.55
stall_9 = 4087.00  1.55
stall_10 = 4077.00 -3.10
stall_11 = 4067.00  0.00
stall_12 = 4057.00  3.10
stall_13 = 4047.00 -1.55
stall_14 = 4037.00  1.55
stall_15 = 4027.00 -3.10
stall_16 = 4017.00  0.00
stall_17 = 4007.00  3.10
stall_18 = 3997.00 -1.55
stall_19 = 3987.00  1.55

If time permits, perhaps it could be loaded to the intended server and tested.

Doni


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on October 11, 2009, 01:40:52 PM +0100
Eeeek!


I don't think that anything but a 1 x 1 stagger should ever be considered for a PRO race. Preferably one where you can see the next bloke back in your mirrors.  At least you know then that if you make a good start and can still see him then there is nobody alongside.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: EvilClive on October 11, 2009, 02:21:33 PM +0100
For once I find myself in total agreement with Clive.....must be the new medication I'm taking :-\


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Doni Yourth on October 11, 2009, 06:54:14 PM +0100
Gys.  It's the same one used by the ADC when they hosted the ADC vs UKGPL event.  Was that not satisfactory?



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on October 12, 2009, 09:03:46 AM +0100
Gys.  It's the same one used by the ADC when they hosted the ADC vs UKGPL event.  Was that not satisfactory?



LOL

The one where you rammed me in the stern before I reached Paddock?

Admittedly  I was having problems with the upshift microswitch and was trying to keep clear of the cars in front but a bit more room may have been useful.

You did right not to race last night though.  Another lamentable display by TeamUKGPL of their inability to reach the finish.

Schoolboy errors by Paul and Jethro on the way to T1 started to thin things from the start.

By lap 11 there were only three of us left and it would probably have stayed that way if Evil hadn't decided to drop back and thin us out a bit more.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: FullMetalGasket on October 12, 2009, 09:12:23 AM +0100
Lol, my Waza mobile seemed intent on playing in the sand.
Eventually lost some wheels and gave in despite having climbed to 3rd again  ;D/ :(

See - I said I wouldn't make 3rd a second time  :angel:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Hristo Itchov on October 12, 2009, 10:24:29 AM +0100
Another lamentable display by TeamUKGPL of their inability to reach the finish.

Sometimes I have a feeling our team consists of hot blooded latin americans.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on October 12, 2009, 10:34:46 AM +0100
Another lamentable display by TeamUKGPL of their inability to reach the finish.

Sometimes I have a feeling our team consists of hot blooded latin americans.  ;D

And wazas!   ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: EvilClive on October 12, 2009, 01:09:24 PM +0100
Apologies for the nudge Clive  :-\  Maybe I should have stayed out of harms way some 25 secs in front. But, with half the race still to go and only 3 cars running I felt it had ceased to be an "event" so I waited for you and Mike just to have some fun. 

Although this race started as a "fun run/training" because of the slip up on Atlas's side, I think the T1 melee should be a lesson to some.

I was actually very worried sat on pole in a 2 ltr rollerskate that the 3 litre barges with their extra grunt off the grid, would steamroller me into T1 and I would get clattered.
As it transpired they obviously fell over themselves and left me a gap by the end of Lap 1 that meant I was untroubled for the reamainder of the race and able to pull steadily away and control proceedings very comfortably.

I hope that when we do the "real thing" that survival, not death or glory, will be the tactics at T1 because the team needs as many finishers as possible. Finishing in 8th or 9th is infinitely better than going out at T1 lap 1 !!!!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: FullMetalGasket on October 12, 2009, 01:22:36 PM +0100
I had a grandstand seat for the gymnastics as it all happened in front of me - I still don't understand the first accident as it happened about half way between the start and T1?
2nd incident looked more like a braking error in about T2..
It put me in 3rd with a turbocharged rollerskate up me bum that just wouldn't do the decent thing and fall off/go away  ;D

Managed to put a rear in the super sticky sand trying to hold them (Krugar I think) off...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Turkey Machine on October 12, 2009, 01:48:49 PM +0100
I can lay the blame squarely at myself for T1 as I had failed to spot Kruger putting his car right up the inside of the corner. Looked right, no sign of him, so turned in. He barrel-rolled over me and I just hoped nobody hit me. Same couldn't be said for the second time I did that, as I gave it some welly and had a half spin, at which point I was rolling backwards and attempting a spin-around to get me pointing the right way. Unfortunately the collision was half-inevitable and it sent me skywards into the infield.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on October 12, 2009, 01:56:00 PM +0100
On my replay, the first two incidents were elementary errors by Paul and Jethro.  

Paul moved over on Mike half way to Tarzan and Jethro did the same to Kruger at the entry to the corner.  That finished Kruger's race which was not so fitting an end for two week's of practice, fun race or not!

I don't know how many times you have to tell people not to do that but obviously we haven't reached the break even point yet!

Mike's BRM was a solidly built machine as in addition to be in attacked by Paul he was also presented with the need to drive straight through Jethro later in the race when the latter parked across the track just after Tarzan.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Turkey Machine on October 12, 2009, 02:02:05 PM +0100
I wondered who that target machine was.....

Yes, I accept I made a very basic error, but I hadn't seen him, plain and simple. Am I supposed to automatically assume that somebody will be on the inside of the corner if I'm on the outside approach? That puts me at a disadvantage straight away because I'd have to take the outside of the corner which is far more risky due to the way the sand here just spits you around at the first glance.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on October 12, 2009, 02:03:21 PM +0100
Apologies for the nudge Clive  :-\ 

Accepted.  ;D

You might have let me finish the bloody race!

I wasn't interested in winning the thing, I just wanted to finish!

I thought that you were alongside more and compromised my line to give you room on the inside.  Then whollop!!  You ran into me.

Only three cars left on the track and they all manage to hit each other.  tut tut tut

I liked it best when you were just ahead and towing me down the straight to keep me out of Mike's clutches.

Then you wanted to play. ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on October 12, 2009, 02:09:00 PM +0100

Yes, I accept I made a very basic error, but I hadn't seen him, plain and simple. Am I supposed to automatically assume that somebody will be on the inside of the corner if I'm on the outside approach?

YES!   Only safe way to race on line.  At Silverstone I have sometimes reached hanger straight before I know that it's safe to use both sides of the track.

That puts me at a disadvantage straight away because I'd have to take the outside of the corner which is far more risky due to the way the sand here just spits you around at the first glance.

That's just the way it is.  You cannot hope to keep track of all the cars unless you have gone off pole like a rocket and have seen the opposition clearly in your mirrors.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: john roberts on October 12, 2009, 04:10:26 PM +0100
Yes, I accept I made a very basic error, but I hadn't seen him, plain and simple. Am I supposed to automatically assume that somebody will be on the inside of the corner if I'm on the outside approach? That puts me at a disadvantage straight away because I'd have to take the outside of the corner which is far more risky due to the way the sand here just spits you around at the first glance.

yes a very basic error and yes you should assume at the start of a race into t1 there could be somebody besides you . good job for you it was only a fun race or you would be getting some more penalty points imho , and we all know what points mean ;)

but having said that Paul's crash was even worse than yours . i had got the jump on him off the grid and moved over in front of him , knowing Paul he then went for the inside to try and out brake me without looking where he was going first and so piled into Mike .

john



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: EvilClive on October 12, 2009, 04:33:47 PM +0100
I wondered who that target machine was.....

Yes, I accept I made a very basic error, but I hadn't seen him, plain and simple. Am I supposed to automatically assume that somebody will be on the inside of the corner if I'm on the outside approach? That puts me at a disadvantage straight away because I'd have to take the outside of the corner which is far more risky due to the way the sand here just spits you around at the first glance.

 I can only echo what has already been said about "assuming" that someone will be there into T1, the odds are heavily stacked against there being nobody there whatever you might wish and that at Zandvoort a guarantee that they will be.  I have practised taking the outside line if I end up on that side of the grid because there is never a safe opportunity to get onto the inside track as you have discovered.
 Even from pole position I "assumed" that someone would try around the outside at T1 , so I held it tight against that concrete kerb and compromised a fast exit, but ensured no contact. I even risked a glance at Prib and a look in my mirrrors going to the left flick before taking the apex just to confirm there was no car within 0.2 and in my blind spot....on occasion some alien has managed to get himself into that area in previous races.

If you weigh up what can be won or lost by trying to change sides, there is only one outcome IMHO... and it ain't good!!!








Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: MikeBeattie on October 12, 2009, 07:22:10 PM +0100
Clive

My BRM was even more solid than you realised, 'cos I also got Wazz-ed on the run into Tarzan with 5 to go, hence me being behind you when you then got a further Wazza-ing, and I then collected the errant Wazza as he spun.  Now who the Wazza can that be ?  ;D

Yes, I was a bit annoyed also when Evil decided to drop back, as I had finally just managed to get into your slipstream, after many laps work, only for you to suddenly get an extra 5 mph on the straight !! :)

Still it was all meant to be a fun race, so maybe that's why there were a few mishaps.

As to Jethro in T1, Gents I'm going to say he's not the only culprit (and Yes, I KNOW I'm not beyond reproach either) of not realising their surroundings. The number of times I have seen even some of our top drivers, make a mistake, lose momentum and then still expect that the car behind isn't now alongside are far too plentiful.

But what the Heck, I'm sure you'll all be on your best behaviour at the 10K, I can look forward to reading the reports.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Doni Yourth on October 12, 2009, 07:42:45 PM +0100
Turkey, mashed potatoes, oceans of gravy, cranberries, apple pie, ice cream, whipped cream...  I forget the rest.  The foodies take on an alcohol stupor, I guess.

At least I had a good time!   ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: john roberts on October 12, 2009, 08:12:04 PM +0100
Turkey, mashed potatoes, oceans of gravy, cranberries, apple pie, ice cream, whipped cream...  I forget the rest.  The foodies take on an alcohol stupor, I guess.

At least I had a good time!   ;D

don't worry Kruger also got a slice of turkey in turn one :)

john


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Phil Thornton on October 12, 2009, 10:54:00 PM +0100
First of all I’m sorry Atlas didn’t turn up.  I’d arranged it well in advance but I didn’t have time to chase them up (busy DIY weekend).  I’m struggling to arrange opponents for the 8/11/09 slot so may be able to re-run this event on that date.

I’ve had a quick look at the replay and notwithstanding that it was a fun race the driving standard was disappointing.  It was like a Saturday night pick up race :(.  The whole point of having a league with rules is that it makes the racing more enjoyable, and that means for all races.  Just because it was a fun race doesn’t make being punted off at the first corner any less annoying.  Drivers are just going to get fed up and leave if they keep getting knocked off in L1 T1 shunts.  However I also know that treating people like school kids is a turn off which is why I don’t like having to issue lots of penalties and warnings after each race. 

I know I am slow compared to most other drivers in the league but then I can’t remember the last time I was involved in a L1 T1 shunt (well it was possibly Season 12, Div 2.  A wheel to wheel with Simon Loynes at Albi – in any case the crash was put down to a racing incident).  So it isn’t a matter of skill it is just a matter of being aware of who is around you.  And yes that does mean you have to assume someone is along side you unless you are sure the track is clear.  Which means you may have to compromise your line.  All this is clearly explained in the recommended driver behaviour (https://www.ukgpl.com/rec_dvr_beh/rec_driver_beh.htm) and the expected penalties for getting it wrong are listed in the penalty guidelines (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/penalties).

I don’t want to rant on or comment on the incidents.  Anybody who wants to download the server replay can see for himself.  If there was a repeat of last night’s fiasco in a league race the moderators would be handing out penalties by the bucket load :(.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Hristo Itchov on October 13, 2009, 05:15:10 AM +0100
If we were to keep statistic of who gets involved in Lap 1 incidents and who causes them, I'm sure you'd quickly notice just a handful of names occupying the top places in such list. Sure, everyone makes mistakes sometimes, but some do it almost each race, then they admit it later on (or even not!) and just repeat it again in the next race. It's as if admitting it or writing an apology is enough, and no change in approach it necessary.

The problem is some people don't realize that you can't simply, arrogantly, attack and expect others to give way or see you on time. And if you're afraid to lose a position then you don't believe you can make it up later by simply being faster (and therefore deserve that position). This is quite unreasonable, especially for those with faster cars who can easily afford to take it easy on the start and slipstream pass later on. I would understand a driver stuck in a slower car to try and prevent being passed, but even then, you prioritize finishing the race over claiming/protecting 1-2 places on Lap 1 that carries much bigger risks.

If you see many of my starts in recent seasons I almost always lose positions by giving way to hotheads, then make it up later on. Does it render my Qualifying pointless? Maybe, but it's better than risk retirement so early on. But yet again, sometimes you're just a passenger that gets knocked by someone's lack of awareness and respect.

Honestly I'm glad I didn't take part in this race and I'm not so amused from what's been happening last season and in recent races either. As Phil says, it's quite demotivating and the thought of leaving inevitably goes through your mind sometimes.

-=Hristo=-


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: FullMetalGasket on October 13, 2009, 09:27:05 AM +0100
Your own assumptions may be challenged slightly though ;)

I'm currently on 6 months with only 1 own fault (trying (and failing awesomely) to let you through last race) and one racing incident ;D)
As that's half my entire online racing career I think that's pretty good really  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Kruger Enge on October 13, 2009, 09:38:54 AM +0100
Gents, sorry for a late reply but I hardly had any time to post anything since the race.

As far as T1 is concerned, I can't put this on Jethro alone; warp played a major part in the accident but it was not a typical one I must say.

What happened was that I'm seeing Jethro going very wide so naturaly, I'm going for the inside and stick to the apex. I can't back up so much because everyone was quite close behind at this point.

At that moment, I thought I was hit by a bloody train, that's how hard the impact was. Not only did I explode and shed at least three wheels, my engine burning, the same thing happened to Jethro, or, to the bit I was getting on my PC. I was so angry because I thought I must have been hit at full speed by someone from behind. Looking at replay, I noticed that unfortunatelly, when Jethro returned towards the apex, server did not see us both on the track so when we reappeared, we were actually overlapping and his wheel was basically in my cockpit - GPL didn't like this Einstein-boggling turn of events and there was an explosion of cosmic proportions (I always wondered what happens when cars reappear in the same place, well now I know). I'll put some screenshots later, just for the laughs.

My point is:
- if I had accurate information about where Jethro really was, I could've done a bit more to avoid the contact
- maybe I wasn't showing in Jethro's client at all
- the contact most likely wouldn't have been a race ending one, GPL exaggerated it massively.

However, in Zandvoort particularly, when you're outside, you stay on the outside because you simply can't know if there is someone there or not, unless, as Clive said, you went off like a rocket and you know for certain where everyone is. Staying outside there means you're on the inside to next flick and outside to next corner and then again, inside to hairpin so sticking to the line is not so much of a disadvantage.

Uhm, yes, we probably should practice Monza 10k before we embarass our selves even more ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on October 13, 2009, 11:10:42 AM +0100
LOL

Kruger me old mate, I know you to be a gentleman racer but I wouldn't trust your client replay to tell me anything but where you are.

I've watched you flit about the track for years and Sunday's connection didn't look as bad as it has done in the past.

I can't see anything that you could have done differently.  Your pc may not have been registering where Jethro was but since you couldn't see him anyway due to his position on the track that seems academic.

I'll grant you that your connection probably contributed to GPL's interpretation of the impact since he probably suddenly appeared with his front wheel in your left ear.

I agree that we all need to practice running in close company at Monza 10K.  We could do that on Wednesday again if that suits everybody, rather than running a 67 do at Oulton which would have been my intention.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Hristo Itchov on October 13, 2009, 11:54:53 AM +0100
Your own assumptions may be challenged slightly though ;)

I'm currently on 6 months with only 1 own fault (trying (and failing awesomely) to let you through last race) and one racing incident ;D)
As that's half my entire online racing career I think that's pretty good really  :)

You don't have to take it personally, Tim, in fact those who fall under my imaginary Lap 1 incident list know who they are. :) I'm well over the Kya incident, as soon as I said that I'm looking forward to the next race.

There are just about two groups of people on lap 1: those that give way and those that don't. The former always rely on the latter to do their thing...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Phil Thornton on October 13, 2009, 07:19:02 PM +0100
Just got a reply from Arturo at Atlas.  They're sorry about missing the race and we've agreed to reschedule for the 8th November.  Same track, same mod, same rules BUT no L1 T1 acrobatics this time please ;)

I'll update this thread to reflect the rescheduled date.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Nov 8
Post by: bo bruce on October 14, 2009, 02:44:29 AM +0100
Phil-
 i thought we (oAo) were already scheduled for this date?

Bo Bruce
oAo


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Oct 11
Post by: Kruger Enge on October 14, 2009, 09:47:28 AM +0100
Just got a reply from Arturo at Atlas.  They're sorry about missing the race and we've agreed to reschedule for the 8th November.  Same track, same mod, same rules BUT no L1 T1 acrobatics this time please ;)

I'll update this thread to reflect the rescheduled date.
I'm not racing Atlas any more, sorry gents.

Fool me once... bla bla bla.. you know the rest.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Nov 8
Post by: Phil Thornton on October 14, 2009, 09:08:46 PM +0100
Phil-
 i thought we (oAo) were already scheduled for this date?

Bo Bruce
oAo
Hello Bo

Very sorry, I've been emailing you at the email address Dave gave me ([email protected]) but I've been getting no replies so I thought you weren't up for it. 
You obviously are though so I'll have to contact Arturo at Atlas and let him know ASAP.  We won the last race at Kyalami so it is your choice of venue.  I know you guys are 100% 67s (at least you were) so I expect you want a 67 race.  Please PM me with your preference.

That gives me a bit of a problem, I've got GBGPL or possibly F1Legends pencilled in for 20/12/2009 but they are not firm so if either can't make it that date will be a possibility for Atlas.  Other than that I have Myboga firm for 22/11/2009, 6/12/2009 LBGPL (to confirm mod and track), 17/01/2010 Trellet (to confirm 67s and track) and finally 31/01/2010 EOLC (to confirm mod and track).  So there isn't a lot of scope to move the Atlas race.

May need an extra race or possibly a 3 teams of 6 race could be interesting :)

Cheers

Phil


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Nov 8
Post by: bo bruce on October 14, 2009, 11:40:17 PM +0100
hi Phil-
we're good for the 8th - hate to complicate things for Atlas tho.
as for the track, remember back at your initial contact  you asked, and i replied that since we (oAo) were given the choice in the first 2 events, its only fair that UKGPL get to choose for the 3d.

as for the email addy- it is correct! 
not sure why i wasn't getting your mail :P


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Turkey Machine on February 15, 2010, 01:05:12 PM +0000
Bump in case you lot have forgotten this. March 7th is the date, be there or be square. :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Hristo Itchov on February 16, 2010, 02:38:33 AM +0000
Bump in case you lot have forgotten this. March 7th is the date, be there or be square. :)

What if one is already square (like DC)?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: bernie on February 16, 2010, 11:47:01 AM +0000
your a cube daddy  ;D



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: EvilClive on February 22, 2010, 09:36:47 PM +0000
Polishing the baby Brab roller skate and fitting sand filters  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: kinghiro on March 02, 2010, 04:10:19 PM +0000
I can take the BRM again


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Turkey Machine on March 02, 2010, 05:31:55 PM +0000
Oh crap, this is THIS weekend?!

:eek:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: fpolicardi on March 02, 2010, 05:56:31 PM +0000
Sry, I can't make it this one.
Ciao


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Phil Thornton on March 05, 2010, 09:41:26 PM +0000
Not sure if Atlas can raise a team, they have announced the race but I haven't got word on numbers yet.  If they cannot confirm a team by tomorrow night then we'll have to forget the Inter League and run it as a fun race instead.  It will be a good warm up for the Season 19 Historics  :whistling:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: EvilClive on March 05, 2010, 10:19:22 PM +0000
Oh well, I guess it shows that there is not overwhelming enthusiasm out there for these races, despite most leagues saying that they enjoyed the action.    :-\




Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Turkey Machine on March 06, 2010, 01:11:44 PM +0000
That's a shame Phil. I hope they can, I like Zandvoort.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 18 (2009) Inter-League Series - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Phil Thornton on March 07, 2010, 10:49:45 AM +0000
Not had a reply via Speedgeezers network so I guess the race is off.  We can still run the race tonight as a praccy for Historics but make it an Int Long race instead.


Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: EvilClive on March 08, 2010, 09:36:35 AM +0000
Shame that Atlas could not make it. :-\, but in the end had an absolutely great time in the replacement "fun" event.

I was denied my favourite 2 litre Brabham by a conspiracy of the Mods to promote the 3 litre barges. So, I chose at random something that I expected to be about middle of the pack so that I could have some good close racing.

It soon became apparent that I had lucked out and was just about on the pace of John's Cooper 3ltr.

From the start the sheer grunt of the Cooper pulled John into Tarzan ahead and we began a nose to tail battle that lasted just about the whole race. Having made a pass into Tarzan early in the race, only to be swallowed up on the very next lap down the straight, it became very obvious that to stay ahead I had to get at least a second or more on John before he got that huge power advantage wound up on the straight.
I was definitely quicker around the twisty bits with the smooth handling of the Eagle and by staying in John's slipstream I could hold him on the straight. This gave me the option for a demon braking pass into Tarzan whenever I felt I wanted to try it.

As our combined pace was drawing us away from the field, I was content to sit behind and take the ride  ;D and let John do all the hard work.
as the race went on I found that the big Eagle was becoming very comfortable and the exhaust note as it topped 10k revs was just spine tingling, so at every opportunity I wrung the neck of that V12 just to hear it howl. ;D ;D ;D ::)
The smooth torque curve made it a joy around the twisty bits and i could easily close up on John's tail pipes until............. with about 5 laps to go we began to close on a back marker and John suddenly slowed. I was totally unprepared for John suddenly slowing and promptly rammed him off the road  :-\ sry John was just so focused on the details of your gearbox  and unsighted by the wall of machinery that passes for an engine on the Cooper that I failed to see the slower car in front.

After that John got away and finished a deserved 1st, I proceeded to try too hard to catch him in the last few laps and succeeded only in making a few dumb mistakes and losing even more time.

90% of the race was nose to tail fun with John and well worth turning up for and a great warm up for the season to come.






Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Turkey Machine on March 08, 2010, 12:42:06 PM +0000
After the first few laps in practice, I thought "this is gonna be a hard race". Then the Honda gave up it's secret: be gentle! The car felt sweeter the more I pushed it, and to get within a couple hundredths of Evil's speedy-Eagle was a good one, even if it may have been tow-assisted. The first lap "collision" with Al was unfortunate, he'd got a wobble on in the right-left-right before Schievak, which meant he was a lot slower for that corner. I took the inside line, kept it as tight as possible, however Al reckons the Honda kicked the tail out (entirely possible, it's got an alarming habit of doing that often) which presumably sent him disappearing into the dunes as he tumbled down Pribluda. Apologies for that, I'd hoped he'd seen me go for the gap and stayed around the outside.


Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: EvilClive on March 08, 2010, 01:30:19 PM +0000
Not wishing to pre-judge Jethro's contact with Al, but I have to say it has a familiar theme :-\

"I'd hoped he'd seen me go for the gap and stayed around the outside."

Might I suggest that "hoping" someone will grant you free passage is not a good idea and almost guaranteed to end in tears.

Just because someone is faster on a certain section does not infer the right to a pass..... in last nights race I was undoubtedly quicker around the back of the circuit than John's Cooper, but there was nowhere that I could "safely" hope to stick my car and survive. In fact at Zandvoort, there is only one place that a pass is possible ( barring a real mistake and drastic loss of pace and line by the car in front!!) and that is into Tarzan with a slipstream and outbraking move.
Such a move can take several laps to "set up", ensuring that you enter the straight just far enough behind to benefit from the tow, but not too close to be forced to pull out too soon and lose the advantage. Plus of course confidence in your ability to keep the car straight under heavy braking AND keep it neat and tidy around the inside line with no ass end swipes at the opposition. ::)

In fact this aspect of GPL is probably very close to Real Life in that patience is an absolute essential and the ability to pressure the driver in front into making that small error that will open the door (without causing any contact) and allow you to get the critical overlap and the pass.

Just my thoughts............ ::)


Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Turkey Machine on March 08, 2010, 01:40:35 PM +0000
Al had made the error, I was trying to capitalise on it.

For the record, many times in F1, bad overtakes are made, and nobody is penalised for it. Eddie Irvine admits as such at the 2001 Canadian Grand Prix: "didn't do the greatest of overtaking manoevres on Heidfeld."


Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Al Heller on March 08, 2010, 03:05:14 PM +0000
I know what you're saying Jethro & I think we were both trying to avoid a collision... but as food for thought I think you certainly are a quick enough driver not to have to even try any risky 50-50 moves the moment you catch up with someone. With your pace, that Honda's straightline speed & with 25 laps to go, you could have easily slipstreamed me down the main straight & outbraked me into Tarzan. Softly softly catchee monkee - is that not a Waza mantra?   


Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: EvilClive on March 08, 2010, 04:11:02 PM +0000
Al had made the error, I was trying to capitalise on it.


You cannot "try" to capitalise...either you know that you can and do make a succesful move, or you decide that it is only 50/50 and not worth the risk.

I'm just trying to offer some wisdom Jethro, as for whatever reason or fault you do seem to get involved in more "incidents" than a lot of drivers. Not all but most, and you definitely have the speed to make your way to the front unscathed if you choose your moments better.

The phrase.."drive like it's for real, and it will hurt someone if you get it wrong"   is a good mantra.

unofficial and totally subjective moderation mode. ::)
Update..... 19:30pm..... just watched the replay and I have to say that in this instance  ( on my replay at least) Jethro was probably justified in going for the pass. Al was recovering from an excursion up the bank and was getting back up to speed but had left the inside line wide open. Jethro easily got his Honda alongside as they entered the corner and held it tight to the kerb as they travelled side by side
I think contact was unfortunate for both drivers but maybe Al squeezed in just a little too much in his eagerness to get the right line out of the corner.

I still stand by the "general" advice I offered before, but in this instance I think it was definitely more than a 50/50 opportunity. Now if JR could have given me such an opening I might have done the same. ;)


Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: NickyIckx on March 08, 2010, 05:25:09 PM +0000
 :D :) ;D
the moment I noticed this race changed over to a free fun event , I spontaneously jumped in .
 ::) big fun , I nearly forgot how nice and powerful these sound of the 66cars is and how nice and detailed they do look .
 :laugh: no question ; I had to do plenty of practise before I will be able to do any good , lol


Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Podkrecony_Ziutek on March 08, 2010, 07:56:26 PM +0000
I've never drove 3L 66's cars, but I knew this track so I decided to try it.

My pace wasn't to bad, but I've made lots of mistakes.

Afther good racing with Nicky, Phil and Baab, I've finished fifth.


Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Phil Thornton on March 08, 2010, 10:33:14 PM +0000
I've never drove 3L 66's cars, but I knew this track so I decided to try it.

My pace wasn't to bad, but I've made lots of mistakes.

Afther good racing with Nicky, Phil and Baab, I've finished fifth.
Well done Pod.  Now I know your race name I've updated the results table to show your real name (well SRou name).  It is quite difficult to work out who is who in chat, race and the forums if people use different names for each.  Especially if they are as unusual (well for an Englishman) as yours ;).  If you use the same race name from now on there should be no problems, SRou maintains the association.


Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Podkrecony_Ziutek on March 09, 2010, 11:07:37 AM +0000
Well done Pod.

Thanks Phil

Now I know your race name I've updated the results table to show your real name (well SRou name).

Well I'm using my real i name for last two seasons ;)

I considered switching from my nickname to my real name also on the forum, but them I've decided that I don't want to punish you guys witch that :laugh:


Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Turkey Machine on March 09, 2010, 01:49:41 PM +0000
Any chance I can have my lap back that the server took off please? Kthxbye.


Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Phil Thornton on March 09, 2010, 10:53:04 PM +0000
Any chance I can have my lap back that the server took off please? Kthxbye.
I've checked the server replay (now available on Mike's website via the link in the normal place - on UKGPL homepage) and you crossed the line 13 seconds behind JR so that puts you in second place.  Unfortunately all the messing about with the inter league on and off has caused a bit of havoc in the results system and for some reason I can't pull the results out of the database to correct them.  I'll have to ask Giz to look into that for me.

With regards to the incident with Al this is my "unofficial" interpretation because it is only a fun race and I haven't consulted the other mods.  I normally moderate an incident in 3 sections, Description, Analysis and Ruling.

1.  Description.  Al makes a mistake at Jan de Wyker, putting a wheel on the grass and then runs wide on the exit loosing momentum.  Jethro is much faster out of Jan de Wyker and makes a pass under braking for Scheivlak taking the inside line but keeping close to the kerb.  Al tries to defend but contact is made and Al spins out.  Jethro is unaffected.

2.  Analysis.   Al made a mistake which presented Jethro with an opportunity he was entitled to take.  Jethro managed to get over 50% overlap under braking for Scheivlak but not the 100% that would allow him to claim the corner outright (see Penalty Guidelines for Ambitious Overtake (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/ambitious_overtake) and the diagram under Corner Rights in the Recommended Driver Behaviour (https://www.ukgpl.com/rec_dvr_beh/rec_driver_beh.htm)).  At this point the drivers are fighting for position and should keep to their own side of the track.  Jethro quite correctly keeps very close to the kerb and Al gives Jethro room, but only just enough.  It appears Al doesn't realize there is a car on the inside.  Al tries to take the racing line but as the cars reach the apex of Scheivlak the gap between them closes and contact is made on Al's client.  There was no contact on the server so warp was a mitigating factor. 

3.  Ruling.  There are 3 possible interpretations:
a.  Racing Incident - Ambitious Overtake - Contested Overtake - Scenario 1 (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/ambitious_overtake)
b.  Racing Incident - Side by Side Contact - Contested Side by Side Contact - Scenario 1 (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/side_by_side)
c.  Penalty for Al - Side by Side Contact - Simple Side by Side contact - Scenario 4 (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/side_by_side)

Personally I'd go for option a. 

Having made the mistake Al should of expected an attack and stayed wide on Scheivlak.  He needed to keep an eye on his mirrors and if he couldn't see the car behind he should have expected it to be along side.  Easier said than done!!!  One thing to bear in mind is the car on the outside will always be susceptible to warp contact.  It is an unavoidable aspect to on-line racing.  If this had occurred in a league race then my only advice to you here Jethro is to let the moderating process run it's course.  You've been involved in so many incidents people will automatically assume it is your fault.  You need to report incidents through the formal channels and the moderators will be impartial and fair.


Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: bernie on March 10, 2010, 12:03:40 AM +0000
Quote
You need to report incidents through the formal channels and the moderators will be impartial and fair.

Please send all donations in plain brown envelopes to :-

Mr P Thornton
Chief moderator
Zandvoort circuit
Nederlands

(folding notes of large denomination escpecially welcome )

 ;D ;D ;D

 


Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Hristo Itchov on March 10, 2010, 12:16:44 AM +0000
Personally I'd go for option a. 

Having made the mistake Al should of expected an attack and stayed wide on Scheivlak.  He needed to keep an eye on his mirrors and if he couldn't see the car behind he should have expected it to be along side.  Easier said than done!!!  One thing to bear in mind is the car on the outside will always be susceptible to warp contact.  It is an unavoidable aspect to on-line racing.  If this had occurred in a league race then my only advice to you here Jethro is to let the moderating process run it's course.  You've been involved in so many incidents people will automatically assume it is your fault.  You need to report incidents through the formal channels and the moderators will be impartial and fair.

In my opinion, if you're not distracted and racing normally, and you know that there's been a car following you closely for some time, and you hear their engine sound, then if you still hear their engine but you don't see them, or even if you don't pay attention to the sound but suddenly you don't see them, then that means one thing - they're in your blind spot and you have to take measure about it. I'd say this is a racing incident.

Jethro went for a gap that existed, Al kept his line but didn't leave enough room to account for possible warp contact. The result was contact. Can't see any ambitious overtaking attempts or on-purpose dirty manouvers. It's racing, guys. The important thing is to try to be more aware of other cars around you and take appropriate measure without taking unnecessary risk that if something goes wrong nothing good will come out of it.


Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Turkey Machine on March 10, 2010, 10:11:54 AM +0000
Quote
You need to report incidents through the formal channels and the moderators will be impartial and fair.

Please send all donations in plain brown envelopes to :-

Mr P Thornton
Chief moderator
Zandvoort circuit
Nederlands

(folding notes of large denomination escpecially welcome )

 ;D ;D ;D

 
Your cynicism much appreciated Bernie. ;D

Cheers for the support and "moderation" comments guys. Gives an intriguing insight into the mod process for incidents like this.


Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Phil Thornton on March 10, 2010, 06:25:15 PM +0000
Giz fixed the database so I've corrected the result.


Title: Re: Season 19 Warm-up - Zandvoort (1967) - Mar 7
Post by: Turkey Machine on March 10, 2010, 10:30:14 PM +0000
Thank you very kindly. :)