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Title: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on September 25, 2009, 03:10:46 PM +0100
Special Starting Procedure for this race

Due to the chicane (at about T3) being "quite tricky" for the tanks particularly, we have decided that we need to enforce a rolling start for this event.

Therefore:
The driver in Pole Position will lead off the rest of the grid at no faster then 80kph (50mph) till he is past the chicane. All other cars shall follow in single file with zero overtaking. Once you get past the chicane you can proceed to race as normal.


If you have any questions on this, please ask before you get to the event :)




Problems connecting to the Lobby?  Download this: (http://www.simbin.se/files/gtr2_ofp.zip)


All members welcome


Practice 1: 20:00 (20 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (19 laps (about 40mins)) note: no warmup!


Cars allowed: Porsche 906/8, GT40 Gulf, Porsche 911 RSR 3L, Porsche 906/6, GT40 mk II, GT40 mk I, Porsche 911 IROC, Porsche 914/6, Shelby Cobra 427 Roadster, Ferrari 275 GTB Speciale, Chevrolet Corvette L88 Coupe, Lotus Elan, Shelby Daytona Coupe


Weather: Dry
Track: Watkins Glen (download from HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_watkinsgpc))
Time of Day Setting: 10:00
Start: STANDING Special Starting Procedure (See Above)

Minimum Pit-stops: None required.


Server: [PnG2.1] UKPnG S1
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Power and Glory v2 from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/), 2.1 patch from here (http://www.gtlw.co.uk/) and enable terrain patch.
(4) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=227)
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of every-one's connection will be reduced.
(6) Remember that P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function, but our gentleman's agreement is that everyone will stick to a speed limit for the pit-lane of 40mph/60kph.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on September 25, 2009, 03:12:53 PM +0100
NOTE: Only cars of token values between 12 & 20 tokens will be used at this event.


Clubmans & Tokens quick guide (see bottom for full details)
  • All drivers get a Tokens budget for the season
  • The faster the driver, the less Tokens they get
  • The better the car, the higher it's Tokens cost is to use in a race
  • If you do not attend the race, you will lose a predetermined individual quantity of your Tokens (equal to races "Suggested Token Spend")
  • Trust me, you do not want to run out of Tokens before the final race! :death:


Tokens
20
19
18
17
16
15
14
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
0
Cars Available
Porsche 906/8
GT40 Gulf
Porsche 911 RSR 3L
Porsche 906/6, GT40 mk II
GT40 mk I, Porsche 911 IROC
Porsche 914/6, Shelby Cobra 427 Roadster
Ferrari 275 GTB Speciale
Chevrolet Corvette L88 Coupe, Lotus Elan
Shelby Daytona Coupe
Shelby Cobra 289 Coupe (Willment), Corvette L88 Roadster
Shelby Cobra 289 Coupe (not Willment), Shelby GT-350R CASC
Shelby Cobra 289 Roadster, Ferrari 275 GTB/C, E Type Jag Lightweight, Corvette L72 Coupe
Shelby GT350 SCCA, Falcon Weslakeheads, Mustang ATCC, Alfa Volumetrico
E Type Jag Coupe, E Type Jag Roadster
Ford Mustang Trans Am, Ford Falcon Mann, Chevrolet z06 Coupe
Ferrari 250 C, Mustang NTK, Alpine 1300
Alfa Romeo GTA
Corvette L76 Roadster, Lotus Cortina Works
Abarth 1000TC Gr5, TR4
Lotus Elite, Ferrari 250 B, Mini Cooper 1275s
Healey mk 2



Driver
Name

Ruskus
Ayrton4_94
Paul968
Manteos
Pippomox
Lelero
Madd-RIP
Jos Verstappen
Jose Arrogantio
Pepz
Ade
API
Minholos
PR
TrueTom
IvAIAx
Purdie
Simon Gymer
Blunder
King
icarus17
Mr_Oily
PhSpok
Psuedo
Lazlow
MJ
SamB
Mike Cook
Andy Charman
Dave Gymer
Legzy
Spanner
Tim Robey
JPV
Geoffers
Mcfids
Tibernius
Ross
Picnic
57Goldtop
Dave Shep
BillThomas
Wiltshire Tony
OilSeal
LigelC
Lars Sch
Jimmer
Minton
Burtoner
Tokens
(for season)

46
46
49
49
49
53
53
56
56
60
60
60
60
63
63
63
67
67
67
67
67
70
70
70
70
70
74
74
77
77
77
77
81
81
81
81
84
84
84
88
88
91
91
95
95
95
95
53?
70?
Tokens
Remaining

20 +4
17 +4
21 +4
20 +4
20 +4
20 +4
22 +4
25 +4
31 +4
20 +4
34 +4
26 +4
20 +4
33 +4
20 +4
30 +4
18 +4
23 +4
28 +4
21 +4
32 +4
28 +4
30 +4
28 +4
28 +4
30 +4
23 +4
29 +4
39 +4
21 +4
31 +4
29 +4
36 +4
38 +4
30 +4
33 +4
40 +4
34 +4
34 +4
42 +4
35 +4
38 +4
45 +4
38 +4
38 +4
38 +4
38 +4
? +4
? +4
Tokens
Forecast**

4
1
3
2
2
0
3
4
10
-3
11
3
-3
9
-4
6
-8
-3
2
-4
6
1
3
1
1
3
-6
1
9
-9
1
-1
4
7
-1
1
7
1
1
7
1
2
9
1
1
1
1
?
?
Suggested Token Spend
for this Race *

13
13
13
13
13
14
14
14
14
15
15
15
15
15
15
15
16
16
16
16
16
16
16
16
16
16
17
17
17
17
17
17
18
18
18
18
18
18
18
19
19
19
19
20
20
20
20
?
?


(Clubmans & Tokens Full Details guide to follow)


* = This is also the amount of Tokens you will lose if you miss the race
** = Tokens forecast is taking account of the "+4 Tokens Bonus" & your per race "Suggested Token Spend".


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on September 28, 2009, 03:57:30 PM +0100
EXTRA INFO:(Repeated)  I'm sure you've noticed I've made a bit of a tweak to the system. I've done this because I want to encourage people to take the chance to drive the different levels of fantastic cars that PnG has to offer.

I could be wrong, but it seemed like we were all almost afraid to splash out on anything more lavish then an Elan (13 tokens)!!! For some of the faster guys it's very hard to splash out as they obviously have smaller budgets, while maybe some of the guys with bigger budgets didn't want to splash out & find themselves up front on their own :-\. So I have worked out some affordable 'token ranges' for each of the final four races of this test/fun season:

Race 4) Edmonton     = 7 to 16 Token cars
Race 5) Watkins Glen = 12 to 20 Token cars
Race 6) Mid-America = 0 to 9 Token cars
Race 7) Riverside       = 3 to 12 Token cars

Some drivers may immediately be concerned that they "can't afford a car for the Watkins tokens range"... don't worry, you can :yes:.
To go with the 'token ranges', I have also worked out a "Suggested Token Spend" for each person, for each race. You don't have to stick to your "Suggested Token Spend", but if you're close to it, you should be about on pace with most other people (= improved close racing) & finish the season on budget ;).

Cheers
Legzy

p.s. Please remember that you get nothing for finishing the season with tokens to spare, but you will suffer badly if you spend more then your budget  :gun_bandana: ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Oilseal on October 03, 2009, 07:13:28 PM +0100
Woohooo   Daylight


Oilseal


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Doni Yourth on October 05, 2009, 01:31:21 AM +0100
Hi, Legzy!  :)

As you...and WT...are aware, I've entered the year-end Xmas Festival LeMans affair in PnG.  I've yet to run with the UK group owing to the time difference to me here in Canada.

Is the UK PnG server available at times other than the posted races such that I can get in and confirm that I'm properly config'd?  As in Terrain Patch, ISDN, etc...  I think it essential that I do this prior to the Xmas go.

TY.

Doni


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on October 05, 2009, 11:16:15 AM +0100
Is the UK PnG server available at times other than the posted races such that I can get in and confirm that I'm properly config'd?  As in Terrain Patch, ISDN, etc...  I think it essential that I do this prior to the Xmas go.
Hi Doni, yes it's always up as long as there is no other GTL/GTR2 race on.
To connect at the moment, you would obviously also need the current track (Edmonton) which you can download from the 1st post on this thread  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Mark J on October 07, 2009, 09:50:05 PM +0100
3 to 12 tokens at the riverside?...bah, that would mean no IROCs and thats where they used to race in the IROC series !  :P

I will be away for the Mid-America event so i might just squeeze enough tokens out for IROC at Riverside.

Hmm, Watkins...IROC or RSR could be lots of fun, but then all those cars in the top half of list are pretty damn cool at a track like this. 8)

ps has anyone tried skinning any P&G cars yet? Would love an IROC done in the colour scheme of my own 911 if a paint wallah has some spare time?  :) The white one would be almost perfect, just needs the side graphics made red and the Fuchs alloys red too  8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on October 08, 2009, 01:37:05 PM +0100
Tokens Remaining, your Tokens Forecast & your Suggested Token Spend have all now been updated ready for Watkins Glen.

While Purdie, Dave & Sam all continue to be the leading shopaholics (they will pay the price in the end) ;)
Ade, Jose, Tony & Andy all continue being the biggest Token hoarders... anticipate them spending more then their suggested tokens in the races to come :o


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 08, 2009, 06:26:20 PM +0100
DAM RIGHT

It's shopping time  :drool:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Mark J on October 09, 2009, 08:32:16 PM +0100
hmm, thats not the Watkins Glen i was expecting  ??? Did we used to use a GP layout when we raced here in GTL ? There used to be a couple of good chicane/corner complexes that made the lap interesting/challenging.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Manteos on October 09, 2009, 08:48:18 PM +0100
It' s the '79 Layout Mark... It's a little bit different from the modern Watkins... but it's not so bad :), only a bit more dangerous because of the proximity to the guard rail :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: LigelC on October 10, 2009, 05:06:10 PM +0100
I am a tad bit confussed regarding the messages about the track we should be using.

The introduction post clearly states Watkins Glen (Long) which I have and is a great circuit.  But when I downloaded the circuit it is Watkins Glen 1979, which has the stupid chicane at turn 2 in it.  This ruins what in most versions including the original GPL version was a great corner demanding ones best to get it right.

The 'LONG' version has a chicane but its toward the end of the straight following Turn2.

I have just been on-line and there it was the 79 version that was running.

So is it the 'long' or the '79' version we will be using on the 20th.

Laurie


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 10, 2009, 06:16:55 PM +0100
The introduction post clearly states Watkins Glen (Long) which I have and is a great circuit.  But when I downloaded the circuit it is Watkins Glen 1979, which has the stupid chicane at turn 2 in it.

There's only one track in the download so there's not much scope for confusion. :P Well, unless you count the fact that it's yet another track with a "cute" route out of the paddock which you can't find without a native guide. ::)

It's going to take me a bit of time to get used to that chicane on the way into the Esses though! :o I foresee the odd accident there... :laugh:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Mark J on October 11, 2009, 04:26:05 PM +0100
just tried out the 906/8 and the GT40 Mk1 around here, both feel superb 8) but two very different drives. I think you may want to drop the 906/8 off the list as its going to kill any other cars around here. I was 6 seconds a lap faster in it over the GT. :o Admittedly i havent got a lot of laptime in the GT but try them both out and see for yourself. The 8 is just too good.

What a sound that 906/8 makes  8) makes you want to race a series using them only at some fast tracks (idea for the future?), its like a GP car from the 60's/70's.

Two areas of concern on the track that people may want to be very wary of. 1) the first chicane at the hilltop left...if you hit the right hand kerb it will flip you over at worst or chuck you hard into the armco at the lightest ! So stay as central between kerbs as possible or use a bit of the left side kerb but even that un-settles the car badly if you try taking it with too much speed. Dampers may solve that.
2) the very last righthander before the s/f straight:- the racing line entices you into the right side of track that is seriously off camber. If you use it, the track tends to throw you right into the pitlane entrance/armco. After several buggered laps on the last corner, i started to stay wide left of it and power up the s/f straight instead.

Still learning this track as dont remember any of this layout and every corner has its own varying lines to get right and its a long lap, over 2minutes.

I wonder if its worth people starting to state what car they intend/likely to take in good enough time before race night? That way we can hopefully get good groups of like-specced cars to race against. I'm still trying out a variety at present whilst also learning the lap.



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: goldtop on October 11, 2009, 04:58:13 PM +0100
By coincidence I've had an hour or so here this afternoon on what is also a new track for me. I took the Gulf out first and the 906/8 last with a few others in between and found the Gulf to be at least 4 secs a lap quicker than the porka. Haven't tried the MK1 Gulf which I know is much more of a handful, but then again I don't need to with my token budget ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 11, 2009, 07:22:13 PM +0100
I've turned a few laps in the IROC but may use the RSR. Will do some more testing tomorrow to figure out if it's much faster.

I know the layout well from iRacing, apart from the noddy chicane. At some point in the race I fully expect to forget about it. :o :laugh:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 12, 2009, 07:40:37 PM +0100
2:09 (projected) in the IROC, 2:04.8 best so far in the RSR. Guess which I'll be taking. :laugh:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Doni Yourth on October 13, 2009, 11:27:21 AM +0100
Victory!   ;D

I was able to join UK PnG server hosting practice for The Glen server this morning...06:15 my time here in Canada...with no probs.  Very relieved...I'll have to mop that up...to find I had no issues.  Ran off a couple of laps in the 'vette.  2:11 as best.

It's not that I'll be making this race...time zone difference being the killer...but at least I know now that I can access the server.  This is a big plus is getting ready for the Xmas LeMans event.

Don't you just love that chicane?   >:(

Doni


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 13, 2009, 11:45:51 AM +0100
Don't you just love that chicane?   >:(

I'm starting to find a consistent and quick line through there. :yes:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Bully on October 13, 2009, 05:53:59 PM +0100
HI all,
        Would it be ok for me to join in the remainder of these races? I've been practicing a bit of PnG and loving it. Its giving me that nostalgic GPL feeling. All that cars have a nice feel to them :)

Hopefully see you on track!

Bully.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on October 13, 2009, 07:01:26 PM +0100
HI all,
        Would it be ok for me to join in the remainder of these races? I've been practicing a bit of PnG and loving it. Its giving me that nostalgic GPL feeling. All that cars have a nice feel to them :)
Hopefully see you on track!
Bully.
The last couple of weeks we've had some spaces on the grid, so yeas mate & welcome! :)

Hopefully you've seen the 1st couple of posts in the thread... I suggest you pick a car or two that's values at about '16 tokens' & let us know what times you're doing. When you've done that I'll give you a "potential tokens budget" & suggest if you want a slower or faster car ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Bully on October 14, 2009, 08:57:15 AM +0100
HI Legzy,
              Thanks for that. I will have a go in the GT40 Mk1, Ferrari 275 Speciale and the Shelby 427 Roadster. I'll let you know what times I am getting with these. (Probably quite slow!) :) Wont be till tomorrow evening, though as i'm working late tonite ! :(

Cheers,
           Bully.

Ahh Yeas that was the other thing. DO I need to install the GT2 Physics patch, available in your downloads section? or is that just for gtr2 RACES?

Thanks again!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on October 14, 2009, 09:29:01 AM +0100
DO I need to install the GT2 Physics patch, available in your downloads section? or is that just for gtr2 RACES?
No, the only things you need are listed in the first post of this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6861.msg119412#msg119412) :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Mark J on October 14, 2009, 09:59:15 PM +0100
2:09 (projected) in the IROC, 2:04.8 best so far in the RSR. Guess which I'll be taking. :laugh:

where did this new found love for all things Porsche come from in team shark ?...i find it most unsettling  ;D

But i knew the Force would drag you all in  ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on October 14, 2009, 11:57:12 PM +0100
2:08 in the 906-6 after about 4 laps, so I'm sure plenty more to come.

I don't get why people are having a prob with the chicane, I go whizzing through it every time, I can't see I'm doing anything special. ???
Please tell me more?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Mark J on October 15, 2009, 08:05:18 AM +0100
i tried the RSR out last night, the chicane is a beeyatch in that car. I must have had 1 in 3 laps ruined by it  :( I tried several different lines and speed entries but still seemed random as to whether it either flicked the car over or threw you into the armco. I'll need to try different front damper/spring combos to combat it i think. 2:08's mainly so far with more to come as only did about 12 laps. I'm fastest in the 906-8 by far.

edit, a bit more tweaking and i was down to 2:05.4 in the RSR after just a handful of laps this eve and would have been quicker still if had time for more.  8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on October 15, 2009, 09:33:11 PM +0100
server up & a few of us going on it :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on October 15, 2009, 11:15:39 PM +0100
edit, a bit more tweaking and i was down to 2:05.4 in the RSR  after just a handful of laps this eve and would have been quicker still if had time for more.  8)

Managed to get in quite a few laps in the 906-6 again tonight & hit a 2:03.0 8)

Want to see some more peoples laptimes, as I've no interest in being up the front on my own & will take a lesser car if I'm too fast (though I am very much enjoying my 1st experience of the PnG 906 ;D)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Bully on October 16, 2009, 09:52:33 AM +0100
HI Legzy,
              I have a couple of times for you.

Porsche 911 IROC - 2.11.5 (with some more practice, I might be able to touch 2.09's)

Porsche 906/6 - 2.07.5 (again, probably could get 2.05's with more practice)

I tried to get a semi-decent time with the GT40 Mk1 but I cant keep that thing on the road! Feels like your driving on ice!

Cheers,
          Bully.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on October 16, 2009, 10:09:03 AM +0100
Porsche 906/6 - 2.07.5 (again, probably could get 2.05's with more practice)
If you enjoy the 906-6 I'd probably suggest running with that Bully. I'm anticipating peoples laptimes to be about 2:04-05 here :-\ But keep an eye on the times people are posting for the cars they think they will race in. I might stick with the 906-6 myself & just load up a full fuel tank & stick some hard tyres on... it felt very good to me here 8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Manteos on October 16, 2009, 12:31:45 PM +0100
Hello guys!
Unfortunately I will miss this one :(. I have an official test for an Italian champ in which VDA team is involved, and I risk to be fired by my admin if I not attend at this race ;D ;D. Even if I prefere more & more P&G races (shhh... don't tell it to my admin :)) I have to give up for this one, hoping that the next date won't happen again.
However, I think that lele and Mr."White Pig" king will join the race to represent the team VDA.

Hope to see you soon on track! Bye  ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Madd-RIP on October 16, 2009, 08:59:35 PM +0100
High 2.01 in the RSR much nicer to drive than the IROC and a mid 2.08 in the Daytona


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on October 18, 2009, 10:11:32 PM +0100
Server is up with couple of us on it... :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on October 19, 2009, 05:44:46 PM +0100
Tested a couple more cars last night, seems some of them do need to show more respect to "that chicane" then others do.

Hope to be on the server from 10pm tonight


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: (VDA)KING on October 19, 2009, 06:22:49 PM +0100
   
Hello Guys how are you? I announce with pleasure that the King will be titled like this team ... I VDA with very little training but there are.
hello and good race at all :laugh:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Mark J on October 19, 2009, 08:45:33 PM +0100
more pace found this eve  :) will try and join you later on, not sure yet.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on October 20, 2009, 12:26:20 AM +0100
Special Starting Procedure for this race

Due to the chicane (at about T3) being "quite tricky" for the tanks particularly, we have decided that we need to enforce a rolling start for this event.

Therefore:
The driver in Pole Position will lead off the rest of the grid at no faster then 80kph (50mph) till he is past the chicane. All other cars shall follow in single file with zero overtaking. Once you get past the chicane you can proceed to race as normal.


If you have any questions on this, please ask before you get to the event :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 20, 2009, 07:57:23 AM +0100
Must... get... pole... :D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Mark J on October 20, 2009, 08:02:17 AM +0100
I can see why you would need to do this, but the problem with single file starting is that anyone from about 10th onwards will end up so far behind the lead cars that their race will effectively be run before lap1 is over  :(

Personally i think we should stick to a standing start but exercise extreme caution/no overtaking at the chicane, just like any other tight chicane/hairpin turn on lap 1 of a race. It will keep the field closer.

I'm just in the 2:03's now in the RSR and seems to put me in the mix with a few fellow pacers around same laptimes. Hope for a good race.  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Bully on October 20, 2009, 11:56:13 AM +0100
Hey Everyone! Going to try and make it tonite. My Gaming PC is in the middle of being formatted so as long as I can get it all sorted i'll be there! :)

I'll be taking the Porsche 906/6

Hopefully see you on track ! :)

Bully.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: phspok on October 20, 2009, 12:39:39 PM +0100
Pole won't help you Dave unless you have a a power car  ;)
With the semi rolling start the agile cars will not have a few turns to get sufficiently ahead
out of the chicane to not get mugged on the straight. I am expecting to be even further
back in the field by the loop than I would have been "if" I had survived the opening chicken run.
I am expecting there to be several offs in the loop during the race as power cars make "ambitious"
passes and lose it over the edge.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Oilseal on October 20, 2009, 03:17:50 PM +0100
Curiouser and curiouser.

First it's the tokens. Pardon me but they've not been huge success.

Then it's the odd starting times.

Now it's a rolling start (cos its safer). Bunkum I say.

Your'e making changes to suit the drivers who dont have the patience to wait and would prefer to win a race on the first corner.

Come on guys lets get back to some ground roots racing.

Lets try rewarding the guys who stay on circuit and show the concentration and racecraft to go the full race distance.

I've been here an awful long time and I keep hearing how good we all are at racing. Sorry to burst your bubble but most of the guys here can't keep a car out of the wall for more than a few laps. Oh yes you are quick but at what cost. In most races I qualify at the back of the grid. Strange then that in most races I make up to ten places by Lap 2. That is of course if I haven't been knocked off by someone at the front of the grid who goes off at T1 and then pushes his way back to the front using slower drivers as a braking system.

I think a reality check is in order before we all go spending our iRacing dollars and finding that the racing is no better.

As the saying goes.........just my twopennorth.


Oilseal


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: lazlow on October 20, 2009, 04:21:06 PM +0100
Your'e making changes to suit the drivers who dont have the patience to wait and would prefer to win a race on the first corner.
I second that Oilseal....more patience is definitely required.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Madd-RIP on October 20, 2009, 07:04:05 PM +0100
Legzy, although I can see your way of thinking about the start, I'm afraid I too must state that, it may be best to just let us 'get on with it', this track has many passing opportunities and we could fall into the old GTR2 trap of the pole sitter spearing off into the distance with a rolling start, if any numpties make silly manouvres then penalise them severely with the mods power.

Speaking as a long termer I think I've shown a fair bit of restraint in the first laps or two in the past, not always admittedly, but more often than not I go for the wait and pounce approach, which tbh has given some pretty good results in the past, wouldn't you agree?

So please reconsider this suggestion for the time being, there is always next season.  ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 20, 2009, 07:07:31 PM +0100
We are making a ruling to suit the prevailing track conditions to ensure that for at least one lap everyone gets a good chance to avoid incident or misshap.
We think that by the time the chicane in question is approached for a second time the field will have spread out somewhat and drivers can use their own common sense and gentlemanly driving.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: jpv on October 20, 2009, 08:57:49 PM +0100
Sorry guys, guess I should just stick to running alone at the back of the grid.  :(


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: phspok on October 20, 2009, 09:03:42 PM +0100
Very dissapointing
Had a poor qual. passed a couple who fell off. was chasing a GT40 into the chicane when he lost it and
we both were on our roofs, Set off again without too much damage, was chasing a cobra
had to take evasive action not to hit it up the hill into the err chicane... and went over the fence
game over. Shame was really looking forward to this one. though I think the GTL style Glen
we ran would have been a better choice, that chicane was just "inappropriate" with such
a wide spread of cars.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 20, 2009, 09:05:45 PM +0100
It had to be race night when the chicane bit me.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 20, 2009, 09:20:32 PM +0100
Curiouser and curiouser.

First it's the tokens. Pardon me but they've not been huge success.

Then it's the odd starting times.

Now it's a rolling start (cos its safer). Bunkum I say.

Your'e making changes to suit the drivers who dont have the patience to wait and would prefer to win a race on the first corner.

Come on guys lets get back to some ground roots racing.

Lets try rewarding the guys who stay on circuit and show the concentration and racecraft to go the full race distance.

I've been here an awful long time and I keep hearing how good we all are at racing. Sorry to burst your bubble but most of the guys here can't keep a car out of the wall for more than a few laps. Oh yes you are quick but at what cost. In most races I qualify at the back of the grid. Strange then that in most races I make up to ten places by Lap 2. That is of course if I haven't been knocked off by someone at the front of the grid who goes off at T1 and then pushes his way back to the front using slower drivers as a braking system.

I think a reality check is in order before we all go spending our iRacing dollars and finding that the racing is no better.

As the saying goes.........just my twopennorth.


Oilseal
Thanks for you 2d worth Oilseal, we can only strive to get better by listening to the suggestions of you guys.

Obviously in our first season we were going to make some mistakes, or try things that some folk wouldn't necessarily like, especially as we deliberately set out to stir things up a bit. We knew we couldn't hope to please everyone. So don't think for one minute that your comments are not welcome.
 
Perhaps on a more positive note you could pm Legzy and I with some suggestions of what you would like to see in the future. Although we cannot promise that we will change everything, we would still appreciate your input, if you have some spare time.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: spanner on October 20, 2009, 09:30:48 PM +0100
Ade had a bit of a wobbly going out of the chicane and picked the wrong side meaning i had to brake stopping with with him facing me! Pulled over a bit ahead waiting for Ade to rejoin but got wiped out by someone hitting me.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Mark J on October 20, 2009, 10:34:01 PM +0100
Enjoyed a trouble free romp to 6th?  8) from a lowly 16th place grid slot  :o

Had a mare of a qually sesh and couldnt get near my pb's here and thought i would have a dire race quallying that low. But it all went very well and made some good overtakes as well as taking advantage of those that fell off or had incidents at that bastich chicane. I only had one minor scare through there when i scraped along the armco and also late in the race when Pribs disco'd car was shown straddling the chicane entrance  :o dont know what happened there cos he suddenly re-appeared a corner ahead of me about 2 laps later !! ???

Had great battles with Lele and API in their US muscle cars. 8) They left me for dead on the straights while i was all over them in the corners, the eternal struggle ! Got by both with some nifty up the inside overtakes over many laps. Great clean racing chaps  :)

Was very happy to finish 6th :) +1 on preferring the GTL version of Watkins though.

Well done Goldtop and pody finishers, great pace in top 5  8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: picnic on October 20, 2009, 11:07:18 PM +0100
Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20091020%20P1T/index.html)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Blunder on October 21, 2009, 07:43:50 AM +0100
Very enjoyable!
Thought I would qualify reasonably well but ended up 12th :(
Unforced half spin half way round lap 1, meant I had to watch everyone go past so I could rejoin safely!  :'(
Came over the line after Lap 1 last by 4 seconds!
Battled my way back to finish 8th !
Pleased with that!
Had some brilliant battles with AndyC and Paul particularly!

Must comments on the roling start as others have....
I think it was a one off and given the carnage through there all race then probably a good decision in this case.
I'm sure we are back to normal next time! :)

Oilseal, great to see you back buddy! Go Team Oldie!
Where's that brother of yours!?

Thanks all

M.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 21, 2009, 07:50:10 AM +0100
That was one of my best races for a long time. All the nay sayers claiming the 911 wasn't going to be able to compete with the heavy iron here. Pah! :P :P :P Even more amazing was that I didn't make a single significant mistake all race despite being seriously sleep deprived! :sleep1:

Didn't qualify brilliantly with 7th spot but was still tuning the setup, and knew I'd be more competetive in the race than my qually pace suggested. Fought the 906s and PR's GT40 in the opening couple of laps and gave way to Spanner at the chicane rather than risk running in there side by side, which also let Lazlow by up the hill, and by lap 4 I was solidly into 3rd and chasing 57's Gulf car, hoping to get a big enough mistake out of him to make a pass stick and get off after Tibs's leading 906.

Lap after lap the blue and orange American lard wrasse would pull out 2.5s up the hill, only for me to be glued to it's exhaust pipes again by the end of the lap. Mistake after mistake ensued from the V8 beast but never enough for me to make a clean breakaway. All this time Tibs was getting away, but there wasn't anything I could do about it and I just focused on sticking on 57's tail, knowing that if I could get a mistake from him in the last corner of the last lap, I could probably make it to the finish line ahead.

Tibs threw all this up in the air with two to go by throwing himself off in the Chute. ::) ;D I tried in vain to capitalize by passing both but in the end the GT40 just had too much straight line speed and I had to settle for 2nd, less than two thirds of a second behind.

Just missed out on fastest lap too. ::) :D

That was one of those epic handling versus power battles, like Falcons and Mustangs versus Alfas and Cortinas at Dijon. 8) If only it had been an endurance I'd have been leading by a country mile after the pit stops. :laugh:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Andy Charman on October 21, 2009, 09:01:11 AM +0100
That race was great fun ;D with some intense battles.
Last minute I changed from the 911 to the 906 and I have to say driving it gave me a big smile.
Had a good battle with Mark Jonzo in the early laps and I had repassed him but when we arrived at the chicane it was carnage. I tried to pick my way through the mess but I couldn't avoid someone and hit them full on, sorry. My car was badly damaged after that. Had some good scraps with Paul in the Cobra, great driving, Blunder, and Lele. I was pushing too hard for the second half of the race trying to regain positions and was making some silly mistakes.
So not the best of results in the end but I wish every race could be so entertaining. ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: goldtop on October 21, 2009, 09:31:29 AM +0100
If one of the aims of this series was to give slower drivers like myself the chance to run at the front and experience the feelings of excitement/tension/nerves/hope that I enjoyed last night, then it was definitely achieved here. Big thanks guys :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Tim Robey on October 21, 2009, 09:34:40 AM +0100
A bit of a frustrating race for me.....

I thought the rolling start went well other than Lele trying to jump ahead of me, but I finally positioned myself ahead of him just before the chicane ;D

I tried to be sensible in the first few laps, but on lap 4 it all went pete tong, just after the chicane I hit a stationary Spanner at full tilt, sorry about that, but I didn't see you until the last second and had no time to react.  :( :(

But the car was still going, so carried on only to be pushed off track at the Loop.  >:(

The car handling was a bit ropey, but after a couple of laps decided I would lose more time by pitting so carried on regardless but the handling felt better as the laps wound down and had a lonely race for the second half but got it home without too many dramas.



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on October 21, 2009, 09:58:55 AM +0100
Reminder: do not discuss incidents in public. File a report. >:(

You can say "I went off after contact" but you cannot say "I was pushed off by XYZ"; it will only lead to angry exchanges in the forum.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: pribeiro on October 21, 2009, 10:37:47 AM +0100
   when Pribs disco'd car was shown straddling the chicane entrance  :o dont know what happened there cos he suddenly re-appeared a corner ahead of me about 2 laps later !! ???

I was wondering why suddenly, my race position was dropping from 5th to 12th in a lap, while I was still driving along with the others in sight. At the time I thought it was a GTR2 bug. Sorry for the scared situation Mark.  :P

First time I chosed a powerfull car (I've been sparing my money... :laugh:)
Lack of practice (and skills) allowed me to start race from 9th.
For the first laps I was trying to stay close to Dave's 911, but I had a run off to the grass and lost a couple of places. Interesting as the MKII with 120 lts of fuel was very unstable cornering and under braking.
But hey, this is a SIM, it is supposed to be like that.  :D
Fortunatly, I was always busy having a few and good scrapps with someone.
The most intense was with Legzy's 906 (damn little annoying cars)  :lol:
I hope you had accept my driving as a fair one. Straights for MKII  :tank:, corners for 906  :scooter:.
Were a few enjoyable laps over there Legzy.

Big congrats to Goldtop for the win, well done!  ;)
Weel done also to podium and to all finishers.

Cheers


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Paul968 on October 21, 2009, 11:41:25 AM +0100
Glad just to have been able to race since my desktop is still in a coma, so my notebook had to deputise. I was really torn over which car to take, as the 906 and RSR were both much quicker than the other choices but either would leave very few tokens for the remaining races. In the end I went with the cobra 427 as I would have needed a top 3 finish minimum to make the faster cars work and that chicane was always likely to catch out the unwary. A high 2.03 in qual was the best I could do and 15th on the grid left a lot to do, but I expected a high casualty rate in the race and I wasn't wrong  ;D I nabbed a couple of places past the 906s ahead on the first straight, and then gradually picked up more as people fell of ahead. Was up to 8th before the chicane bit me the first time, sending me back to where I started  ::) Then did it all over again, only to fall foul of that codding chicane again! Had a great scrap fending Andy and Blunder off in their 906s, and had numerous other fights with people, so the race was full on from start to finish and highly enjoyable. In the end I ran out of time chasing Lele and API - oh for one more lap!

Can't say I like the chicane version of the track - it is so all or nothing, and trying to hit the right line when following another car is so hard. When you are driving a car that Ellen MacArthur would feel at home in then it is doubly difficult  :o  

Congrats to 57Goldtop for the win. Yes, as I see it the whole idea is to let people experience winning who normally never get the chance, so nice to hear it was worth it for you at least. Also to Dave and Tibs for the podiums, although Dave is either going to be pootling round at the back for the next 2 races or incurring the headmaster's wrath if he doesn't attend. :nono:  ;D

Looking forward to the next one - just my sort of track and hopefully a chance to compete with less tokens. Riverside is a completely different kettle of fish though.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Geoffers on October 21, 2009, 12:57:52 PM +0100
Grrrrr... that race was going really well until a lapse of concentration put me on the grass on the RHer after the chicane. A big collision with the barriers ensued & the car only wanted to turn left afterwards, so I couldn't even get back to the pits for repairs & had to retire.

I set a PB in qually which I thought would be good enough for the top 6, but was only good enough for 13th. First lap went OK until the final corner when I spun into the pitlane  ::). Drove through (luckily no speed limit in P&G) & rejoined 21st. Gained a couple of spots the next lap, then several cars had a big coming together at the chicane, I picked my way through & went from 19th to 11th! ;D

After that, every time I caught someone they seemed to make a mistake & let me past. I think I was up to 8th just behind MJ when the concentration went walkabout!

Congrats to Goldtop on your first win & look forward to the next P&G race  8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on October 21, 2009, 01:29:45 PM +0100
Now it's a rolling start (cos its safer). Bunkum I say.
Your'e making changes to suit the drivers who dont have the patience to wait and would prefer to win a race on the first corner.
Come on guys lets get back to some ground roots racing.
Lets try rewarding the guys who stay on circuit and show the concentration and racecraft to go the full race distance.
I've been here an awful long time and I keep hearing how good we all are at racing. Sorry to burst your bubble but most of the guys here can't keep a car out of the wall for more than a few laps. Oh yes you are quick but at what cost. In most races I qualify at the back of the grid. Strange then that in most races I make up to ten places by Lap 2. That is of course if I haven't been knocked off by someone at the front of the grid who goes off at T1 and then pushes his way back to the front using slower drivers as a braking system.

As the saying goes.........just my twopennorth.
Oilseal
Hi Oilseal,
Like Tony said, thank you for taking the time to give us your "just my twopennorth".
I'm sure that even with your patient approach, having had your race ended by that chicane on lap five... you can now understand our decision. :)


I actually owe everyone an apology for last nights track. When I spent the time testing the track I was doing it all in the Abarth, F275 & 906... all cars which it would seem don't have a big issue with "that Chicane". I did not see the effect of attempting to drive a big car through there till about Friday (Basically you almost can't get them through ::)). That left us in the unfortunate position of knowing, there is no way a dozen cars could all competitively get through that chicane (even if all driven by Gary Lineker on his best behaviour). By this point we are left with very few options on what we can do with the race (a race to the 1st chicane only, would not be a success in our eyes). Rest assured that rolling starts are not something Tony or I are wanting to see regularly or at all. I hope you all now appreciate that announcing a rolling start was a reluctant 'making the best of it' type decision.
Meanwhile I'm now in a panic about the next track  ;) ;)
Cheers
Chris



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on October 21, 2009, 02:23:39 PM +0100
It has been an absolute joy to read all your post race comments today chaps:

Had great battles with Lele and API in their US muscle cars. 8) They left me for dead on the straights while i was all over them in the corners, the eternal struggle ! Got by both with some nifty up the inside overtakes over many laps. Great clean racing chaps  :)
Very enjoyable! Had some brilliant battles with AndyC and Paul particularly!
That was one of my best races for a long time. That was one of those epic handling versus power battles, like Falcons and Mustangs versus Alfas and Cortinas at Dijon. 8) If only it had been an endurance I'd have been leading by a country mile after the pit stops. :laugh:
That race was great fun ;D with some intense battles. I wish every race could be so entertaining. ;)
If one of the aims of this series was to give slower drivers like myself the chance to run at the front and experience the feelings of excitement/tension/nerves/hope that I enjoyed last night, then it was definitely achieved here. Big thanks guys :)
I was always busy having a few and good scrapps with someone. The most intense was with Legzy's 906 (damn little annoying cars)  :lol:
Had a great scrap fending Andy and Blunder off in their 906s, and had numerous other fights with people, so the race was full on from start to finish and highly enjoyable. In the end I ran out of time chasing Lele and API - oh for one more lap!
Congrats to Goldtop on your first win & look forward to the next P&G race  8)


Despite the obvious pain in the butt Chicane ::) you all seem to have made the best of it & I too had a fantastic race! ;D

Was up near the front for a couple of laps, then made a mess of the last turn & ended up facing the oncoming cars, right in the middle of the start finish straight! About six did well to skim past me & I turned her & got going again in 9th. Made up a couple of places & then had about 7 laps of the finest racing with PR & his GT40, well done mate... Classic racing at its best I thought  8)
When you finally flashed me through, I did wonder if I'd rather just stay there & fight to the end but assumed you'd had enough  :lol:
Had a couple of other mini scraps before finding myself a little on my own with 5 laps to go, so eased off to wait for MJ to catch me (thinking we'd have a good fight to the finish) & let him in front... I then couldn't catch the cheeky little monkey! :P
Possibly need a photo finish with Blunder too  :whistling:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Geoffers on October 21, 2009, 03:31:38 PM +0100
Was up near the front for a couple of laps, then made a mess of the last turn & ended up facing the oncoming cars, right in the middle of the start finish straight!

I think there is a hole in the track in the middle of the last turn, I noticed AI cars dropping a wheel into it in offline practice. It isn't very big & most laps you miss it, but if you catch it wrong it makes the back step out. I think thats what got me on lap 1.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Paul968 on October 21, 2009, 03:36:03 PM +0100
I assumed that was a big camber change if you drop a wheel onto the pit entry lane. I learned the hard way to avoid it like the plague!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on October 21, 2009, 03:51:47 PM +0100
Yeah, I kind of found the whole pit lane entry just dead slippy. Lead to a couple of nice drifts with the car I can tell you  8) ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: pribeiro on October 21, 2009, 04:53:53 PM +0100
 
  had about 7 laps of the finest racing with PR & his GT40, well done mate... Classic racing at its best I thought  8)
When you finally flashed me through, I did wonder if I'd rather just stay there & fight to the end but assumed you'd had enough  :lol:
 

It's never enough when we are racing with/against fair and good drivers.  :)
Due to a not brilliant setup, my tires went off by then, after your high pressure.
Too much understeering entering corners and oversteering exiting, more than usual at least.
The brakes weren't in a superb shape aswell. I began to brake a bit earlier too.
Before I made a mistake that could compromise both races, I felt it was fairly enough
to let you go at that stage and see if I could stay with you and try a move later on.
Maybe I could hold you a bit more for more fun tho. We were so closed on the corners sections,
yet I always felt secure and confidence by your driving skills.  :)

Cheers


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: mr_oily on October 21, 2009, 05:59:13 PM +0100
I always felt secure and confidence by your driving skills.

No no PR, think it must be the language barrier....that was LEGZY you were racing with, you know, one of those Team Old Git types.  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: pribeiro on October 21, 2009, 06:16:34 PM +0100
I always felt secure and confidence by your driving skills.

No no PR, think it must be the language barrier....that was LEGZY you were racing with, you know, one of those Team Old Git types.  ;D

 :lol:



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Mark J on October 21, 2009, 07:02:03 PM +0100
It was a great race for sure.  :)

I did warn you all about the chicane and that last turn that drags you into the pit lane if you took the inside line !  :P I saw it grab 'Geoffers'? early on when he was right in front of me, as i am sure he had no intention of pitting that early  ;D

Legz you actually disturbed my flow ! I had finally broken free of the two yank muscle cars and started to pump in some much faster lap times and was hoping to catch Prib in the final third of the race...then you appeared with your erratic orange 906 and i couldnt work out what the heck you were doing and assumed you were damaged, hence the reason you had fallen back into my clutches. Never let me in front in a 911...i wont be hanging around   ;)

I'm still alarmed at DG enjoying driving a 911 hehe, if i had a quid for every time he's dissed them  :-* Good pace though Dave  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Bully on October 21, 2009, 07:28:49 PM +0100
Well I just about managed to get my PC up and running with PnG installed! Did about as well as I expected in qually, I was last but 1 I think. I took it nice and steady at the start, I wasnt sure if there was a rolling lap, then rolling up to the chicane on lap 2, so I was a little late to start flooring it and was done by a Porsche 914! (I was in a 906). Even so, people were falling off all over the place! Not what I was overly expecting :)

I managed to get upto around 14th place, this was mainly due other's misfortune. My downfall was a tremendous lack of experience on PnG. According to the setup screen, I could only get enough fuel in for 18 laps, so I decided to fill up for 10 laps then fill up another 10 in the pits. Only problem was I could'nt tell how many laps I had done. So I just kept going, basically I needed to pit on lap 10. Eventually I just ran out of fuel not knowing how many laps I had done.
 I could'nt seem to get the on screen HUD to display in the cockpit view, is there a way to do that? Or at least know how many laps you have done?

Turns out I did 14 LAPS on 10 laps worth of fuel, so if I filled er up I probably would have made it ! DOH!

Apart from all that I thouroughly enjoyed my time on track. These cars have a really nice feel to them. Looking forward to the next one.

Hope I did not get in anyones way!

Cheers,
          Bully.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on October 22, 2009, 12:28:27 PM +0100
Tokens remaining table after our Watkins Glen race:

Driver
Name

Ruskus
Ayrton4_94
Paul968
Manteos
Pippomox
Lelero
Madd-RIP
Jos Verstappen
Jose Arrogantio
Pepz
Ade
API
Minholos
PR
TrueTom
IvAIAx
Purdie
Simon Gymer
Blunder
King
icarus17
Mr_Oily
PhSpok
Psuedo
Lazlow
MJ
SamB
Mike Cook
Andy Charman
Dave Gymer
Legzy
Spanner
Tim Robey
JPV
Geoffers
Mcfids
Tibernius
Ross
Picnic
Bully
57Goldtop
Dave Shep
BillThomas
Wiltshire Tony
OilSeal
LigelC
Lars Sch
Jimmer
Minton
Burtoner
Tokens
(for season)

46
46
49
49
49
53
53
56
56
60
60
60
60
63
63
63
67
67
67
67
67
70
70
70
70
70
74
74
77
77
77
77
81
81
81
81
84
84
84
88
88
88
91
91
95
95
95
95
53?
70?
Tokens
Remaining

7 +4
4 +4
6 +4
7 +4
7 +4
7 +4
7 +4
11 +4
17 +4
5 +4
16 +4
11 +4
5 +4
16 +4
5 +4
15 +4
2 +4
7 +4
11 +4
5 +4
16 +4
12 +4
13 +4
12 +4
11 +4
12 +4
6 +4
12 +4
22 +4
3 +4
14 +4
12 +4
16 +4
19 +4
13 +4
15 +4
20 +4
16 +4
16 +4
18 +4
23 +4
16 +4
19 +4
25 +4
18 +4
18 +4
18 +4
18 +4
? +4
? +4
Tokens
Forecast**

4
1
2
2
2
1
2
4
10
-3
8
3
-3
8
-4
6
-8
-3
1
-4
6
1
3
1
1
2
-6
1
9
-9
1
-1
2
6
0
1
6
1
1
3
7
1
2
9
1
1
1
1
?
?
Suggested Token Spend
for this Race *

2
2
3
3
3
3
3
4
4
4
4
4
4
5
5
5
5
5
5
5
5
6
6
6
6
6
6
6
7
7
7
7
7
7
7
7
8
8
8
8
8
8
9
9
9
9
9
9
?
?


Tony, Ade & PR continue being the biggest Token hoarders... anticipate them splashing out in the last two races.
While Dave & King seem to be our only drivers that may struggle to not suffer the penalty of overspending  :nono:

See you all at the Mid-America Motorplex (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6862.msg119415#msg119415)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans Tokens - Watkins Glen - Oct 20
Post by: Legzy on November 24, 2009, 10:58:30 AM +0000
Drivers who overspent their seasons Token Allocation.

The following drivers have now had points deducted for overspending their Token budgets:

  • (VDA)KING            — advice — Tokens Debt = 3 Tokens = — 15.0 championship points
  • Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer — advice — Tokens Debt = 9 Tokens = — 45.0 championship points
  • Spanner               — advice — Tokens Debt = 1 Tokens = — 5.0 championship points

Note - Each overspending driver has been docked points at their final race attended of the series.