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Practice 1:	20:00	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:10	(25 mins)
Race:	20:35	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT2 or GT3 from the UKGTR Physics Pack v2.10.5.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#post_physics).
Weather: Changeable, seeded from real-world conditions.
Track: Zhuhai.
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Lower Endurance
Password: See above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Standings and schedule can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=218;theme=3)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the car physics pack and track pack (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).

Well i'm on hoilday this weekend so no race for me! Enjoy yourselves guys and i will be back for Magny Cours  8)

Oh dear, it doesn't look good for Supersonic Racing this weekend. Me and Bob will try and keep up the good work boss.  ;)

Have a good time.  :)

I'm sure you will both do just fine! Zhuhai is very point and shoot so accurate braking is essential.

Hey all, If their is room I would really like to follow you guys round in this race.   

Hi Craske, long time no see. There should be plenty of room for you, at least four spaces at the last race.

Hello Legzy, long time indeed. Good to hear there should be room.
I'll download the latest updates and get some praccy in tonight then. Does the practice server still exist?.

Yes but make sure you get the "GTR2 Lobby fix (http://www.simbin.se/files/gtr2_ofp.zip)" first so you can connect OK :)

O.K I got that thanks.

I downloaded all of the files from the GTR2 download page on the 10/04/2009, has anything changed since then? If so would really appreciate it if someone could tell me which files to update? and when I update them do I need to remove the old versions first?

Hi Craske,
You'll need the updated UKGTR Physics Pack v2.10.5.0. from the downloads page. While you're there you might also want to download the new skinpacks (although these aren't essential to race).

& the new sound pack too for some improved sounds :)

O.K great thanks for the help  ;D

One last thing? Do I need to remove the old versions first?

thanks again.

nope, part of the install does that for you

Hi Craske.  :) Welcome back.

I seem to remember some good close racing with you earlier in the year...one very interesting race at Silverstone with a strange result. :P

Thanks for the welcome, yea I seem to remember that race at silverstone too, and the finnish  ??? ;D .
I'm out of practice on GTR2 at the moment, been playing a lot of evo.   

Thanks again to everyone for the help with the updates I really appreciate it.

Is the server back up? Its getting near my bedtime  ;)

Shall be on later for a bit of praccy around this horrible track :'(

hi all, if poss i would like to join you on sundays race if theres space,

i did do 1 race last season on silverstone and loved every minute off it but i moved away 2 weeks after that and have only just got back on line ( things go  a bit slow in the north of scotland  :D )

hope there is space cheers

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Hi Adam, there'll be space more likely than not. :yes: The GT3s have been a bit sparse as of late so if you choose that class you should have a good shot at top 5. :laugh:

So GT2+GTC for next season? ;)

:thumbup1:


Am I the only one liking Zhuhai? It's easy to learn, bit too much straights between corners (making it better for GT1), lots of slipstream opportunities though :)
On the other hand its too flat and boring, but it's good fun nailing corners like this for good exit speeds.

I like it as well. Rain's comming too ...  8)

I'm another fan of this track. But I would say that as I had one of my best ever results with a 4th in GT1 last time we were here.

Zhuhais another yawn fest of a track imo...which should mean i have another cracking race like Anderstorp  ;D

but there is not much to get excited about this place, flat as a billboard, point and squirt. :( ...and we use Mosport as a non-champ filler race  ::)
Its saving grace is plenty of overtaking opportunities in the braking zones and corner exits. :)

I guess the records are going to be broken, low-mid 1:33 as pole?

Surrender all your setup settings please.  ::)

Wing on what, 6-7?

Race pace mid 35s?

This track is just a chinese copy of A1 Ring. Boring in principle, but fun to blast around.  ;D

Yes to all. ;)

I won't be running with you guys tonight, Thanks for all the help setting up and hopefully I'll be able to do next weeks race.

Hope you all have fun.

Sorry gsi bob, apparently I still can't race.  :( Didn't feel like continuing after ruining your race.

All I can say is' Sack the flaming pit crew...all of them!!!!!!!' Yet again team KC pit crew ignore my request for fuel...TWICE! So ended up with 3 pit stops, 13th, and extremely P :censored: off!!!!! Gratz to all, see you next week.

i'm gonna start with a complaint  >:(  if we are going to use variable weather (which i am a fan of) can we at least make sure it flipping rains when it says its going to rain for the next 3 days on the weather forecast! I wasted 2 hours today practising for a wet race here and compromised my enduro setup for it, only to have a completely dry race  ::)..and i dont normally get that sort of spare time....grrr.

Rant over  ;)

First half hour of race was fantastic in a brilliant duel for 9th with L Galluzzi? in a shark Modena. I was all over him in most of the braking zones but he kept leaving me for dead on the straights and we had a great duel with Spanner keeping a steady pace a few secs behind. But then guttingly, Galluzzi disco'd right in front of me.  :( What a shame as that looked like a race long battle on the cards. I lost a bit of concentration after that let down and spanner closed up. But then he pitted really early and i was left on my own with a 9 sec gap to Jimmie in 8th ahead. I took off a couple of secs but i got a bit bored on my own and took too much kerb in that fast left hander and got spat into the armco. Splitter gone and front damage...got called in by pits half hour earlier than planned stop. Bugger  :'(
Threw a load of fuel in to get me to end of race and got repaired, losing 69 seconds and dropped to back of field from 9th :'(
It was a lonely race from then on with only GTCs for company and finally finished 11th. One more lap and would have been 10th as Jimmie ran out of fuel in front of me and i think even TT did too ? but JM was too fast as usual and finished a lap ahead !
Well done Jon  :) Great drive by Legzy as well from back of the grid to finish in top 10  8)

Well... had a reasonable qualy and was happy with place 6.

After race start I had to get into it a bit with almost a full tank, but those pesky 430 and 997's which corner like on rails were already eager waiting for an opportunity, luckily the 360 has more power so I could hold out for a while.

After a couple of laps I saw my engine temp slightly overheating and saw the engine health dropping down 5% a lap... Oops I tested it offline but the track temp was much lower.
So was shortshifting and took the loss with Jose and TT passing me.
Luckily the temperature dropped 2 degrees during race which brought the engine temperatuer just within the limits, bit later on the temperature went back again (heat up) so I was in trouble again.. But then the dark clouds came and the temperature dropped -3 degrees. Finally I could race again, though had to short shift now and then and release throttle end of straight since I was running too much revs there.

Since I lost so many time for me being stupid, I thought I'll fill up as less as possible to make some time up, but I miscalculated and in the end and I was hoping the race would end 3 or 4 laps early.
It didn't.. so last lap I was 1L short of making the finish and parked it in the grass.. ::)

Sooooo frustrated with myself.

I fully expected to be tooling round at the back like a spare nut, so when I found myself not far off the mid-pack in GT3 during qually I felt a bit more confident that I could have a good race.

Started well and to my surprise, Prof and API failed to zoom off into the distance. Kept pace with them until they had a "fog of war" incident as the GT2 hoardes lapped us and I snook past. Clouds were gathering and rain looked imminent, so when Prof pitted I stayed out, hoping to stretch my fuel and tyres until either the heavens opened, or the skies lightened again.

I saw the tyre wear click over 10, but the balance was okay as both ends were wearing the same. Of course, I still needed to be on my guard as the grip level dropped, especially as it could start sprinkling rain at any moment. So why did I drop a wheel off on the outside of turn 1 - where I'd been very careful all race - causing my car to turn sharp right, faceplant me into the barrier, and then send me down the armco until I smacked straight into part of the wall which jutted out.

My crew chief came on the radio. "You've got some front end damage. You might have some understeer."

Thanks, but I think my mysteriously absent front right wheel will cause more than understeer. Game over, just when it was starting to get interesting. :'(

Another god race for me. Qualified 3rd with about the fastest time I could do so was happy. In the race SBG and H@L seemed to have a bit more pace than me but as the laps went on I got by H@L after a small mistake I think, then I followed SBG for many laps, some I would close up and on others he would pull away but the gap always remained under 2s. Then in traffic SBG got a little tied up so I took advantage which probably was the only way I was going to overtake him TBH. I managed to squeeze down the inside of him and then couldn't pull away. Just a roll reversal of before. We had another little dice when I came across gsi bob's car who seemed to be lagging. Was only for a short time I think but it was enough for me to back off a little and I didn't need to give SBG an invitation, he was through. I was lucky that it was a short run down to the next corner and the F430 is great on the brakes so I just went for the inside and it was like it was on rails. The next few corners were a bit scrappy but then It was a case of holding out for the rain...When would it come? I was just gonna come in whenever SBG did but came in a lap after. When I came out I was 5s up on SBG and I thought the +1s/-1s thing would start again but to my surprise he just kinda fell back. It was just a cruise to the line then 8)
Great racing all and thanks loads to the guys being lapped. I know it must be hard when the cars overtaking haven't really got much more speed than yourselves 8)
Unlucky TT. A new record I think as well as the most GTR races that's the closest I think I've seen anyone come to the finishing line after running out of fuel :(

Tough break Stew, saw you running really well as well :-[

Brilliant first 50 mins with Jon  ;D Lapping the GT3's nose tail had me beaming from ear to ear. They were brilliant as the rather wheezy Lambo could only really breeze through on the corners, especially nfast who could have, fairly, made it very tricky for us. Ta. Jon eventually got past after I got held up and I returned the favour little later but he was back in front for pitstop. Can't really blame the crew (muppets anyways) as I somehow managed to fill my tank up again after flapping trying to turn damage off.

Lost Jon but then had Hol for company till end. Pretty comfortably held him off by 0.05 at the end ;) Good stuff.

Can't hope wondering if it would have been even more fun the Panoz though Jon  :)

I was suprised that after your stop you were suddenly miles away :)
And second time in a row I want to save some precious weight but just came up short lol. I did expect the race to end earlier but 1 lap wasn't enough ::)
Lost me 2 places there (3 if TT also ran out (Legzy suddenly finished before him so don't know what happend)).

And about the forecast:
Sunday Night
Chance of Rain. Overcast. Low: 25 °C . Wind light. Chance of precipitation 40% (water equivalent of 5.61 mm). Heat Index: 32 °C .

Only a slight chance, not like it's going to be wet 100% ;)

I actually tested with a generated weather file this afternoon and it was sunny with race fully clouded (like end of the race) so I didn't expect it to rain actually (or only mildly, damp, but then you could just drive on with slicks).

Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20091011%20U10LE/index.html)

LOL, yep. What a finish. ;D

Nice race for me. My car had the straight line advantage which I seemed to be making good use of. I lost a position to Jon early on after what was indeed a small mistake. ::)

I was never further than 6 seconds from another car for the entire race, which was nice, but stressful. :)

Simon applied the pressure on me a few times but, I did not get distracted and fall off this time. I caught sbg towards the end of the race. He seemed to have dropped his pace a little and we had an 'almost' photo finish. :)

Well done podiums. :)

Dreadful race for me. Last on the GT2 grid after a hopeless quali so decided to fill it for a splash/dash.

Made one too many mistakes coming out of those tight corners and was in the wall with damage and front puncture. Pitted for repairs and fuel, but somehow forgot that I needed to change the fronts, so had to do a full lap with the same puncture before pitting again :wetfish:

Worse than that, I think I might have held up sbg allowing Jon to have a run on him into the following corner and take the lead. Big apologies if that was the case :-[ :-[ :-[ :wetfish: :wetfish: :wetfish:

The results of the LapChart seem correct to me, how come I'm 3 places down on the results page (on this thread)?

I ran out last lap and wasn't lapped by the front runners, so it's totally bogus :)

Sadly that's the way the import scripts work. You didn't complete that lap. You'll find several places where this has happened in the past, include to yours truly :(


You could always do what everyone else can do and click the generate weather button and see what the system is going to generate :P

 ??? Just checked the replay...I guess you didn't get the record ;D




Maybe we can pencil the Panoz in for Brazil :P I may race it TBH. The F430 has probably seen the last of me, then again if the Panoz is rubbish...

I just did a quick check in the replay: Mark Jonzo and gsi bob unlap (and spanner if I'm correct? didn't see him that fast) themselves but when they finish the race they're actually still half a lap behind me.

Can't you cheat the import file then so I end up at the right place? (or edit this imported data afterwards) :)

Not that I'm going for the championship or something, but seeing the results this way makes me feel like a sad puppy :blink:


edit: now I think of it, ain't it possible to give a penalty but then positive places upwards (most easy fix not?)

Meh, didn't do as good as I anticipated. :(
Firstly, my quali time was almost 1 sec slower than my pb, got 8th. :( The race went ok from the start, was past Jimmie relatively quickly after his mistake and then pulled away slowly. Was behind Jose the whole time, was a bit quicker but couldn't pass. We were very close with the cars up to 3rd place, so I was quite optimistic at the time. :-\ Gained some time after Jose went to pit and waited for the friggin' rain to start. ::) Had meds and full fuel so strategy could be adopted if there was something to adopt to. This way I just tried to get as close to H@l as possible. Tyres were ok, even with rears worn up to 20 I was making latimes only 0,5 sec slower than my pb in race. Pitted, took softs and 10 l of fuel and came out just in front of Gazza(?) and Jose. Was gauging if I can make a turn before them and while staring into the rear mirror promptly forgot to brake and went into the sand. r00kie crap 1.  :offtopic:( Instead of getting 5th place and start molesting Shark for 4th I fell to 7th. Jose was slow and I was closing fast. Was preparing an exit to pass and was too fast through the corner and tapped him to spin. r00kie crap 2. :offtopic: Was driving on, not knowing weather to wait stop or quit. :( Cruised as I waited if he's gonna pass Jimmie as I wanted to let Jose by. He did and I waited for him at s/f line. The sneaky bastardo Legzy :P sneaked by as well, suits me right, there. ::) Oh, r00kie crap 3. :offtopic:
And no, I didn't run out of fuel. :-*

Big sorry to Jose. Made a report and I expect to go backward some more places. :-X

Lapping was difficult, though it's not GT3s fault, they were brilliant. Speed difference is a bit low and it was hard to pass without both cars losing time. :(
Nice to see you again, MJ. ;)

Grats to podys. 

Sporting Regulations - Race Classification (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.msg54451#msg54451)
I know it seems harsh but we've all been on the receiving end of it at one time or another. GTL/GTR2 only record the finishing position as it was when the driver left the server, which means it's more than a little ambiguous, and doesn't accurately record all laps, which means the import process can't consistently examine the detailed lap data.

When did it change to that? Each time i looked it said rain, rain and chance of thunderstorms for the 3 day spell. :-\ Mind you i was flipping tired this weekend so may have glazed over it too quickly. If i was wrong i will take my foot out of my mouth and apologise. I dont remember it saying 'chance of rain' though otherwise i wouldnt have done so much wet praccy (more than dry!).

Unlucky with that fuel problem though Jimmie.

I know, but you're able to do change places by giving out penalties right, so you could just +3 me I think? :-*

Should've gone to pit then... Would've saved 4 places now :o

But what I don't understand is why it removed a lap from me then? Kind of awkward...
Ingame it was correct, the LapChart sees it correct, but the SRou import somehow fails? I think everyone will agree with me that they rather see the correct results then wrong results, but there's nothing to do against this then let it be I guess..

I moaned at SimBin about the inconsistent exports before GTL came out, and then again before GTR2, and then again before Race and Race '07. The rFactor and GPL ones are correct, but SimBin for some reason don't value leagues enough to fix their results exports.

I also remember it to say "Rain" and "Chance for thunderstorm" but it changed in Sunday I think to "rain" during the day and "chance of rain" during the evening. But I thought we're gonna have at least some rain. :( Mind you, S10 seems to be almost completely dry. :no:
I know it was summer but I can remember a number of weather forecasts for rain and the race was completely dry. :(

Strictly speaking there was some rain - after I crashed out I sat looking at the monitor for a while and it showed very fine drizzle, but I don't think there was ever enough to get the track damp.

First race ever for me with Gtr2....not really a good one..
I was having a good battle with Mark ,but while i was trying to change the brake bias i crashed to desktop...
A part from that i'm really enthusiastic about this new adventure , i need to learn alot of things about the cars and setups, the best is yet to come..... :)

Think I'm right in saying that Gazza wrapped up the GT2 championship last night. Congrats  :)

Bit of bragging rights in the Team one to fight though, we simply must beat the Leg-ends. And it'd be nice for lambo to beat the beetle thing in manufacturers.

Edit-oops just seen Dave beat me to it  :)

Finally after two dodgy races this week i manage to have good one. I wasn't sure about racing as i must have done my back in as it had been a bit tight on friday night but come sunday i could barely standup. At lunchtime it wasnt too bad but got worse and trying to drive was a bit uncomfortable but come the end of the race i was in agony.

Enjoyeably race with Stew starting to hold us up early on, once past i managed to get up with MJ and Lorenzo then had a heart attack when Lorenzo disco'd right in front. Was enjoying running an inch of MJ back side but felt he was holding me up and with the low wear rate on the tyres ended up pitting earlier than planned. This put me out with the leaders coming through sadly. Another MJ classic pitstop put him 30 secs behind me  but some how Legzy jumped us both massively, from being 15 secs behind me to being 8 secs infront. After that I was just not able to be consistent and was doing 36's not being able to properly concentrate on the driving with my back screaming at me!

Quite eventful race that.

Qually was hard at first as the lower temps than i had been practicing with meant i couldn't get into the 33's but as the temp went up a bit the time came. Was quite happy with 5th in the end.

Spent the first 40 mins staring at Simon's 997 rear end, very frustrating as i could brake so much later but never actually get close enough to have a go as he would just pull away slightly on the straights.

Was actually on my in lap when i misjudged the second to last corner and tapped Simon round (really sorry about that, i wasn't attempting a pass) waited for him and lost a few places as we both entered the pits. Lost loads in the pitstop again but chucked softs on and went for it. Got a few places back and caught Jose up, we then had an epic 4 or 5 laps side by side and swapping positions until i got past and managed to pull away and finish 5th where i started  :)  Glad Simon was able to get back his 4th aswell.

Grats podiums (teamie H@l for a cracking 3rd)  8)

You're fast for your first race, what's your previous experience? :)

I started racing in Ukgpl league a few years ago and i'm still doin' a championship there, have done a couple of races with Gtl but this is the very first time with a modern gt race car...

Cheers

Lorenzo

Only managed to get to my wheel once the race session had started & with about 90secs till the green light, so no praccy or qually for me & no driving since Thursday.... not my normal pre-race routine :o, so loaded a setup with a full tank aiming to do a very late splash & dash as I was starting dead last (24th).

Managed to get past the all seven of the GT3 chaps by the end of lap 4. Some of them flashed me straight past rather then slowing themselves down & a couple of them defended most valiantly which was actually quite a laugh as it was only a mater of time & I was just overjoyed to have made the race at all.

I set about catching Goldtop up first, it took five laps to catch him & as I settled in to follow closely for a bit, he ran wide & through I went only to find JPV & Bob parked on the grass a 100 yards further up the road. So that was ten places made up to 14th quite nicely. It took another 5 laps to catch & pass Jure, who made it a bit harder but I think I got past under acceleration out of T1 (great corner that 8)).

Then it was Stew's turn... I closed down the 4.5 secs in under 4 laps, but I couldn't make a pass as he was strongest where I was strong & looking to make moves on him & he defended where he needed to also. An opportunity might have presented itself as we caught up to lap somebody, but I was off my line & misjudged a bump & binned myself onto the grass rather then take Stew or the back-marker out. I'd lost 8 seconds to him, by the end of that lap but set about making it up again. Chipped away again & when he had a minor off I was back on his tail, instantly realised that for the time it might take to get past I'd lose too much tame for a chance of a higher finish, so made a last second dart into the pits for a much earlier then scheduled stop, but stuck to the splash & dash strategy. I knew this would leapfrog a few people, but I might pay the penalty later as my tyres wore...

Got out about 10 secs ahead of Spanner (one of the guys I'd jumped) & was getting nervous as he quickly had the gap down to just 5 secs & was announcing on teamspeak that he could see me now  :laugh:. But I think I got lucky with traffic & managed to hold him off while his tyres were still at their peak & if anything Spanner's car faded more then mine :-\

That was it really, 27 secs to Jimmie ahead with 16 laps to go, so nothing to fight for.... then 27secs dropped to 10secs to Jose must be having problems with one lap remaining :o. Gave it my all to catch him (on my now somewhat slippy original tyres) & was shocked to zoom past an empty Jimmie & then TT on the line too as I was just one sec behind Jose by now & at full tilt! Unlucky TT, I had no idea what was happening as I had to swerve slightly to miss you even.

I reckon just one more lap & I could have had Jose who must have been nursing problems, then I could have had a quite ridiculous 24th to 6th place finish. Still, 7th wasn't bad either  ;D

Good to see you are flying the Soggy flag in there Lorenzo.

I tried this too but came to the conclusion that my pc just isn't up to it.

But who knows I might get around to turning all the eye candy right down and giving it another go.

Thanks Clive!
Don't let me alone,  these guys are fast!

too fast for my liking..

Is it true faster guys are fast at every sim? :P

You impressed Lorenzo, noticed you using Team Shark skins:D

 
Still hav'nt quite got the hang of those rolling starts yet!
 
Nice to race with 24 on the grid,even if it is a bit challenging
overtaking and allowing the race leaders through at the same
time!
Thanks JPV for waiting for me to rejoin following the off incident,you
should have carried on and tried to finish the race really.
See you at the next race,Bob.

Clive, we need a Soggy style skin!:)

I let you by tbh, saw you were much faster and I've noticed you've started dead last plus I'm not a factor in championship, you are.

Was funny though, that acceleration out of T1 (you've slowed down on the outside, I could out-accelerate you, but lifted off) with your lights flashing resulted in "hm, perhaps he hit me in T1 and wants to let me pass," hence you got me completely confused there. But I've decided "Bah, what for, it'll only slow both of us down". ;D

Same goes for Gazza when he caught me prior to my pits (he just got out), it felt retarded to block him for few laps and ruin his and other guys championship. Or both leaders when they caught me up, it's mandatory to let both by at the same time not giving one or another any kind of advantage, at least in my book. ;)

Anyway, myself - had a classic terrible race, scared few of porker drivers (isn't 911 suppose to be good on the brakes? it felt they're braking 40m earlier than I could in the bimmer, almost collected few of them in opening laps), then got a stop&go for speeding in the pits (PRACTICING THE THING then forgot to turn on the pit limiter. argh, dumb dumb dumb.) etc, so I simply quit, lost interest I guess. :D

LOL, now you say that, I'd forgotten you'd eased off... I was flashing a 'thank you' for letting me through :)

Here's the starting procedure. (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.msg54455#msg54455)

What sometimes people forget (they wait until they crossed the finish line themselves, which can cost lots of seconds sometimes):
Each following driver should only disengage their limiter when the driver directly ahead does.

Until you've got a team one of your own I suggest using using one of the standard cars skins rather than Team Shark, otherwise people might start to talk. ;)

They certainly are!

I have had some advice from Chris (Alias Legzy) with regard to reducing the screen resolution and it may be working.  I managed a 2:22 lap at Road America straight away which was faster than I managed in the race that I took part in in Season 8, I think.

I have been messing with the brakes and dampers to try to build something that I can drive and progress is being made.  It still feels like a jelly on springs compared to any of the GPL mods.


I have a Paul Harrington lap in a Porsche as my benchmark and one thing I can say without a doubt is that I am not smooth enough to get the best out of these things.

I am also having to fight against 47 years of training that says that a car with a roof on should only be used as a tow car to get proper racing machinery to the meeting.   ;D

Hi Lorenzo, that was one of the things that brought my last foray to a grinding halt.  Faced with a car that felt as though someone else was steering it I thought that life was just too short to spend ages painting the darn thing.

Our founding father, VALLEYSBOY (Gareth Hughes) used to be red hot at that sort of thing but he is hiding somewhere in Wales and I have completely lost touch.
I have sent him an email at his old yahoo address but it has just bounced.

We may have to just use the standard ones for now.


I am definitely not spending any time in the pain shop until I find a car that handles well enough to warrant painting it!

If you fancy tackling Magny-Cours (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6908.msg120263#msg120263) this Sunday & want a fairly sensible car choice, try out the BMW Z4 (GTC class). It's a very straightforward car to drive & will help you get used to GTR2  :) (when you get used to that, you can move onto something a bit more lairy :angel:)

On a separate note, I notice that Lorenzo took the F360 in this Zhuhai race. It feels like a really nice car.... & then when you get to racing, it stings you again & again! Avoid that car ;). In the GT2 class I'd recommend the F430 as a very nice drive 8).

Just my thoughts :)

Cheers Chris.

That's actually very useful as if there is anything that I'm less competent at than driving these things then it is understanding what the classes are and what cars are in each!

Yeah the F430 is insanely boring and so much faster in the corners it's unfunny :D

I dispute that. To me I can throw it in hard to almost any corner & catch the back end as it comes round, it almost feels like racing the PnG cars. (Great fun!)  ;D

Couldn't agree more. Can't get close to being on the edge the whole time with no other car. :)