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Season 18 Novices Trophy - Round 4 - Oulton Park

This race is being rerun as Round 10 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7455#event1879).

Hi,

Being new to this I wonder about the cars. When I did join this league last race at Kyalami I drove the Brabham bt11.

But I have noticed that you have restrictions about cars and sins I am not on the "Full time drivers list", (although listed as such on top where the password is given), I though I better ask if it is ok if I continued with the bt11.

Yes continue with the same chassis.

If you are too fast or slow for it you could be moved but it is up to the moderator.

Ok, Thanks.

The moderator's report has been published for the previous round, see here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6896#event1878).

If you have been awarded a penalty you should have received a PM automatically advising you to read the report.  If you didn't pick up a penalty please read the report anyway, there are lessons to be learnt by everyone.

Good luck tonight, please take care at T1 on Lap 1, it is quite tricky. 

Sorry about the server problem tonight gents.  Test race on UKGPL4 was OK so Vos will check out UKGPL6.

Results of test race below:

Track: Oulton             Tue Oct 20 22:48:07 2009

PRACTICE TIMES

Pos No Driver                           Team     Nat      Time      Diff Laps
 1  14 Van Tussman                      Brabham  SWE 1m38.846s              8
 2  21 Al Heller65                      BRM      GBR 1m39.097s   00.251s    7
 3  17 rog uk65                         BRM      GBR 1m39.705s   00.859s    8
 4  22 Nicky Ickx65                     Cooper   RSA 1m39.854s   01.008s    4
 5  12 Jethro Walters65                 Brabham  GBR 1m40.016s   01.170s    1
 6  15 King Hiro                        BRM      IRE 1m40.180s   01.334s    6
 7  11 Peter Maestro57-65               Brabham  GBR 1m40.216s   01.370s    9
 8   7 Phil Thornton65                  Ferrari  GBR 1m40.358s   01.512s    7
 9   9 Vlad Vosblod                     Lotus    GBR 1m40.739s   01.893s    3
10   1 rob mott                         Lotus    USA 1m45.000s   06.154s    8
11  10 Stefan Baier 65                  Cooper   GER 1m51.559s   12.713s    5
12  18 N Hance65                        BRM      GBR   No time   No time    0
13  19 4 UKGPL                          BRM      GBR   No time   No time    0

All times are official
Generated with GPL Replay Analyser


Track: Oulton             Tue Oct 20 22:48:07 2009

RACE RESULTS (After 9 laps)

Pos No Driver                          Team     Nat Laps   Race Time       Diff
 1  14 Van Tussman                     Brabham  SWE    9  14m58.287s           
 2  21 Al Heller65                     BRM      GBR    9  15m14.792s    16.505s
 3   7 Phil Thornton65                 Ferrari  GBR    9  15m15.500s    17.213s
 4  22 Nicky Ickx65                    Cooper   RSA    9  15m20.045s    21.758s
 5  15 King Hiro                       BRM      IRE    9  15m21.618s    23.331s
 6  11 Peter Maestro57-65              Brabham  GBR    9  15m22.262s    23.975s
 7   9 Vlad Vosblod                    Lotus    GBR    9  16m24.394s  1m26.107s
 8  17 rog uk65                        BRM      GBR    9  16m25.374s  1m27.087s
 9  10 Stefan Baier 65                 Cooper   GER    9  16m41.514s  1m43.227s
10   1 rob mott                        Lotus    USA    5  10m12.295s   4 lap(s)
11  18 N Hance65                       BRM      GBR    3   5m22.627s   6 lap(s)
12  12 Jethro Walters65                Brabham  GBR    0 DidNotStart   9 lap(s)
13  19 4 UKGPL                         BRM      GBR    0 DidNotStart   9 lap(s)


Race results are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

RACE FASTEST LAPS

Pos Driver                                 Time Lap
 1  Van Tussman                       1m38.989s   8
 2  Al Heller65                       1m39.328s   7
 3  Phil Thornton65                   1m39.465s   6
 4  rog uk65                          1m39.500s   5
 5  Peter Maestro57-65                1m39.550s   4
 6  King Hiro                         1m39.769s   8
 7  Nicky Ickx65                      1m39.856s   8
 8  Vlad Vosblod                      1m41.319s   8
 9  N Hance65                         1m41.890s   3
10  rob mott                          1m44.767s   4
11  Stefan Baier 65                   1m46.051s   9
12  Jethro Walters65                    No time
13  4 UKGPL                             No time


LEADERS

Driver                           Laps
Van Tussman                      1-9

Number of lead changes: 0
Number of leaders: 1


LAPS LED

Driver                           Laps led
Van Tussman                      9


HIGHEST CLIMBER

Driver                           Start Finish  Change
Phil Thornton65                      8      3       5 
Vlad Vosblod                         9      7       2 
Stefan Baier 65                     11      9       2 
Peter Maestro57-65                   7      6       1 
N Hance65                           12     11       1 
King Hiro                            6      5       1 
4 UKGPL                             13     13       0 
Van Tussman                          1      1       0 
Al Heller65                          2      2       0 
Nicky Ickx65                         4      4       0 
rob mott                            10     10       0 
rog uk65                             3      8      -5 
Jethro Walters65                     5     12      -7 


ON TRACK LAPS

Driver                           Laps/Total    Percent
Nicky Ickx65                          (6/9)      66.67
Peter Maestro57-65                    (5/9)      55.56
Vlad Vosblod                          (5/9)      55.56
Phil Thornton65                       (4/9)      44.44
Stefan Baier 65                       (4/9)      44.44
Van Tussman                           (4/9)      44.44
King Hiro                             (4/9)      44.44
rog uk65                              (3/9)      33.33
Al Heller65                           (2/9)      22.22
N Hance65                             (1/3)      33.33
rob mott                              (0/5)       0.00


RACE LAPTIME CONSISTENCY
(first lap excluded)

Driver                    Avg Deviation  Std Deviation  Avg Laptime   Laps
Van Tussman                       0.199          0.224    1m39.298s      9
Al Heller65                       0.870          1.111    1m41.249s      9
N Hance65                         1.005          1.005    1m42.895s      3
King Hiro                         1.048          1.161    1m41.300s      9
Phil Thornton65                   1.065          1.289    1m40.643s      9
Peter Maestro57-65                1.083          1.354    1m41.598s      9
Stefan Baier 65                   2.190          2.884    1m49.240s      9
Nicky Ickx65                      2.553          3.872    1m41.752s      9
rob mott                          5.321          6.296    1m55.408s      5
Vlad Vosblod                      6.585          8.998    1m47.464s      9
rog uk65                         11.878         13.952    1m49.965s      9


All times are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

Generated with GPL Replay Analyser

Well big apologies for the unmitigated disaster tonight and thanks to Phil for stepping in and at least giving a us an outing  :notworthy:
What can I say, the server has always been solid as a rock, and I'm sure I could organise a p*ss up in a brewery. Investigations are underway and, contrary to some suggestions, the server is not overloaded with hardcore porn - I keep that on the external drive  ;D
Seriously will be checking for any nasties and give it a clean out. It's a 20meg cable connection and usually 100% rock solid but we did get a major 'out' last week across the whole postcode area. Does anyone know of a proggy I can download to check the connection?

As regards the result I think we should use the Monza race. After two laps it was just Bernie and me and, after he hung up the towel, I could claim an 'official' win  ;D
Seriously (again) a re-run will be pencilled in, probably at the end of the season, but will leave that to the division mods...

Final apologies again.

after the umpteenth disco I decided to join by server IP rather than IGOR to see if things were any better connection wise .

As you might expect the connection was exactly the same and I got kicked out again

But the strangest thing , when I tried to re join again by IP the password I had previously typed in  "cascades" had been corrupted and now read "cascades/tits"

I know where the appendages came from but have no idea how they got to be forwarded to the server , very strange goings on , has anyone any ideas why it should do that  :)

well gpl remembers the passwords and Ip's of servers and you can also save the IP's with a name to it's list .

the format for passwords is...

"[access_pwd][/[boss_pwd]][=f.last_of_boss]" (neither the brackets, nor the quotes, should be used, and anything between a pair of brackets is optional).  The password is not case sensitive.

john

if you mean where is the password stored , thats simple .

in the core.ini

[ SERVER ]
auto_save_replay = 1         ; Auto save replay if launched?
log_chat_to_file = 1         ; auto save chat log?
auto_export_standings=0                   ; Auto export if launched?
dedicated=0                              ; Unattended - run server.ini races
launch=0                                 ; Run GPL as a mp server
max_latency=0.0                           ; Seconds. Set to 0.0 to disable
password=; [access][/[boss]][=f.last]
repeat=0                                  ; If dedicated, repeat (0=forever)


john

 Tuesday race was just bad luck. There was some thought on the night it may be the track but it wasn't. Then there was discussion to run at another track of which I remember at least 4 suggested so no agreement so no championship race as some had no set up for tracks suggested. I can understand that. Some don't want to be late because of other commitments so below is a thought about what to try if it is that specific track on that particular server.

Suggestion - why not have an agreed reserve track so that if the track is not working on the server we try another & run a championship race at that on the night. It may have to be reduced practice or a shorter race, so be it. If everyone knows what the reserve track is they can practice it & get a set up & have the track installed ready to go. Keep that as reserve as long as it is not in the championship & if we ever use it chose another. Perhaps it would be best to use reliable tracks from those on the original game. That would give us Mexico, Mosport & Rouen for this season. Lets not mess about with votes if Vos puts the 3 names in a hat & pulls one out that is the reserve track & thats it.

Norm H

Thats a good idea or another solution would be to run a practise race on the server for any track we may use that hasn't been tried previously .

If you read the threads,  there were similar problems during the Privateers graduates cup race,  though not to the extent of being disco'd from the race itself as the server seemed to have settled down and most had crashed and burned during the early laps ( I lasted 8 laps isfair which left only a handful still racing ) but certainly I got disco'd about 4 times during practise and was looking to go that way in the race so the writing was on the wall just that no one picked up on it .

 ::)

 

Yes also a good idea. I think we tried Adelaide & Clermont in that way. Tuesday was just bad luck with the server. If I remember correctly before season 17 Zeltweg was tried as it was suspected it had a screen freeze problem but was not included in the championship as it happened to several drivers in the trial race, me included.

Norm H

Not exactly , that stuff is mostly gobbly gook to me , I was simply making an observation

If you join a server using the IP

1st load GPL up

2nd  select multiplayer

3rd type in the IP address  e.g.(in this case ) 80.5.200.198  

4th type in password  (in this case)  cascades

Join Race

all OK unless there is a problem joining or you get disco'd , you then have the choice to re join the race,  which takes you back to the multiplayer screen .or quit

In my case when attempting to re join,  the IP address is still displayed in memory which can be seen still in the box where we typed it .

The password is in memory and can also be seen in the same way .

BUT

The password has been altered , it now reads cascades/tits !

I have never seen this before and I was wondering if this was relevant to the connection problems we all encountered , I'm thinking here my PC has IGOR chat running behind GPL causing some kind of clash and cant understand why the extra password has suddenly appeared from nowhere


I confess to being a numpty when it comes to computer stuff its all a bit of a mistery to me , perhaps I should stop watching Derren Brown programmes  :) :) :)

so did you look at your core.ini file ?

john

Nope , never thought to , should looking at core.ini tell me something ?

 

Is this the one ??



[ CLIENT ]
to_ip =        ; Connect to IP address
via_ip =       ; Connect via IP address

[ Communications ]
alternate_ip_addr_lookup = 1              ; Find IP addresses another way
bcast_augment_status = 0                  ; Prepend status with IP address?
bcast_listserv =                          ; IP address of race list server
bcast_listserv_req =                      ; Empty string, or start with '?'
bcast_listserv_req_freq = 10.000000       ; Request race list frequency
bcast_ping_disable = 0                    ; Disable response to pings
bcast_ping_port = 0                       ; Ping port number (0=default)
bcast_port = 0                            ; Broadcast port number (0=default)
bcast_recv_disable = 0                    ; Disable broadcast reception
bcast_send_disable = 0                    ; Disable sending broadcasts
bcast_send_freq = 4.000000                ; Broadcast frequency (seconds)
clock_adj_delay = 4                       ; How often may client adjust clock?
disable_ipx = 0                           ; Disable IPX support
disable_modem = 0                         ; Don't look for/use modems
disable_network = 0                       ; Disable network support
disable_tcp_ip = 0                        ; Disable TCP/IP support
ignore_net_read_errors = 1                ; Don't disco if error reading pkt
ignore_net_send_errors = 1                ; Don't disco if error sending pkt
ip_addr_lookup_timeout = 2                ; Timeout to find own IP address
log_server_comm_errors = 1                ; Log errors for client channels?
log_server_connect_status = 1             ; Issue messages as clients connect
mem_client_send_every = 1                 ; Client packet freq via memory
mem_client_send_size = 276                ; Client packet size via memory
mem_server_send_every = 1                 ; Server packet freq via memory
mem_server_send_size = 516                ; Server packet size via memory
net_lan_client_send_every = 3             ; Client packet freq on LAN
net_lan_client_send_size = 132            ; Client packet size on LAN
net_lan_server_send_every = 3             ; Server packet freq on LAN
net_lan_server_send_size = 384            ; Server packet size on LAN
net_mdm_client_send_every = 3             ; Client packet freq on dialup
net_mdm_client_send_size = 84             ; Client packet size on dialup
net_mdm_server_send_every = 3             ; Server packet freq on dialup
net_mdm_server_send_size = 384            ; Server packet size on dialup
net_server_port = 0                       ; Server port number (0 = default)
net_use_mdm_bandwidth_for_tcp_ip = 1      ; Use modem bandwidthfor TCP/IP
show_meters = 1

[ Hack ]
steer_ratio = 1         ; Enable low speed ratio override

[ Joy ]
allow_force_feedback = 0 ; Use FF if device has it 0 = No * 1 = Yes
force_feedback_damping = 30         ; force feedback damping coefficient - Default = 40.0
force_feedback_latency = .125      ; force feedback latency (secs) - Default = 0.085 0.0040000
max_steering_torque = 145        ; steering torque in N*in giving max device force - Default = 225.0
;FFB steer vibe freq mult = 0.2000000





;allow_force_feedback = 1                ; Use FF if device has it
;force_feedback_damping = 0                       ; force feedback ;damping coefficient
;force_feedback_latency = .125             ; force feedback latency (secs)
;max_steering_torque = 10                             ; steering torque in N*in ;giving max device force

[ Rasterizer ]
fullScreen = 1               ; run Full Screen?

[ SERVER ]
auto_export_standings = 0         ; Auto export if launched?
dedicated = 0                     ; Unattended - run server.ini races
launch = 0                        ; Run GPL as a mp server
max_latency = 0.0                 ; Seconds. Set to 0.0 to disable
password =                        ; [access][/[boss]][=f.last]
repeat = 0                        ; If dedicated, repeat (0=forever)

[ Task ]
synch_method = 1            ; Client synch method

[ Int Profile Values ]
value0 = OpenGL:DisableZBuffer:0                    ; do not change
value1 = OpenGL:MipFiltering:0                      ; do not change
value2 = OpenGL:MirrorsEvery:0                      ; do not change
value3 = Direct3D7:D3DDevice:0                      ; do not change
value4 = Direct3D7:TossHighestMip:0                 ; do not change
value5 = Direct3D7:DoubleMirrorResWidth:1           ; do not change
value6 = Direct3D7:DoubleMirrorResHeight:1          ; do not change
value7 = Direct3D7:DirectMirrorRendering:0          ; do not change
value8 = Direct3D7:DisableZBuffer:0                 ; do not change
value9 = Direct3D7:AlphaThreshold:240               ; do not change
value10 = Direct3D7:TransparentMipsDrawOrder:0      ; do not change
value11 = Direct3D7:TrilinearFiltering:1            ; do not change
value12 = Direct3D7:AnisotropicFiltering:0          ; do not change
value13 = Direct3D7:LODBias:-50                     ; do not change

[ OpenGL ]
TossHighestMip = 0
MipFiltering = 2
MirrorsEvery = 5

[ Direct3D7 ]
D3DDevice = 1
TossHighestMip = 1
DoubleMirrorResWidth = 0
DoubleMirrorResHeight = 0
DirectMirrorRendering = 1
DisableZBuffer = 0
AlphaThreshold = 240
TransparentMipsDrawOrder = 0
TrilinearFiltering = 0
AnisotropicFiltering = 0
LODBias = -50

[ Replay ]
ReplayMemoryOverride = 131072

yes .. guess it's not there .

btw you still have the steering hack on .....

john

 ??? didnt get the point . could you spott some light on it please ?

If I remember correctly, when Steering hack = 1, as it is in your case, at low speeds, the steering ratio changes in the way that the car is less sensitive making it easier to control under braking (or the other way round)

I think it helps get the car around tight corners i.e. gasworks hairpin at monaco etc.

When the car speed is around 50mph or less the steering ratio is increased by the app.

I think  ::)

Still no ideas about the ghost in the system  :o

Another annoying thing I have is whenever I run GPL from first boot up my G25 isnt recognised , GPL takes me to the calibraion screen .

If I then come out of GPL , go back to GEM then run GPL again all is OK with the wheel .

fine things these compewters , do they ever work as designed or is it just a myth  :-[

bernie reminded me:

Having a hack on (or off, 1 or 0, this still confuses me) allows greater stability at low speeds when braking but at the same time you can't go around slow hairpins because radius of your U turn grows considerably.

You should try it both ways and see what suits you better, you can even have it on or off at certain tracks, other not.

Kruger ,

dont think it has much to do with stability , rather than steering lock

i.e. the turning radius of the front wheels is increased at low speeds when Hack = 1

maybe effects stability due to the greater turning circle , but cant say I ever noticed .

perhaps I should pay more attention

just a thought , maybe I should try it with and without, next time i dive inside someone going into the Parabolica  ::)

 

Just to give you an update on the server. Given it a clean up, ran updates etc and Jethro kindly looked through some connection stats and gave it a clean bill of health.
I'm putting it down to problems with the cable company, the connection went down a day or two before the race.
Hopefully all is ok now, if you see ukgpl6 running would be good if you could hop on to check the connection.

Thanks Vos, I'm sure it was the ISP.  I've had similar problems, very frustrating but there is nothing that can be done apart from changing ISP but there is no guarantee that will solve it.  They all have their good and bad days ::)

thx Vos !
I will hop on to check ukgpl6 todays evening.

Very true bernie, no steering hack and your wheel input under braking provides less chance of losing it under braking, hence, gives more stability.

I did a quick "spin" at Bremgarten on the ukgpl_6 just now and it seemed OK

Please note the 9 Feb re-run will be using the new server;

Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP Address = 62.149.202.168

Updated the main race post to reflect this.

The Feb 2010 race report link is currently over here, in case anyone missed it :

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=53.0 
                       
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