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Race seven already. In the Works top three, Hristo is holding off Lorenzo and Jethro. Meanwhile a battle royale is beginning to pan out between Rick and Al H in the Privateers. For those of you taking an early exit into the sand dunes carry on a mile down the road and rumour is there's a nudist beach. The multi-season update is worth a look in and you can also get the recently released waving flags. As usual please bear in mind there are a mixture of driver abilities and no second chances with Pro.

Race List = IGOR
Server = tbc  GamesclanT7_2 (please note we are currently using a server kindly provided by Fulvio)
IP address = tbc 62.149.202.168
Race date = 29-11-2009
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Zandvoort
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = PRO
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (35 laps)

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=225;theme=6)
The track can be downloaded from : papy original
Add-on’s available at : http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=4220 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=4220)

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:50 pm UK Time = GMT).

Reserve drivers should not join the server until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left. Please restrict chat to pit messages. Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderators reserve the right to review any incident with a particular emphasis on lap one. The aim is to review the race the following weekend so incident reports should be submitted within five days of the race (ie the following Friday). We're hopeful most incidents can be resolved amicably and recommend a days deep breath with a replay review before posting. A sorry in the forum won't be taken as an automatic admission of guilt by the moderators.

With the new token system chassis strategy will be a factor. A driver must have sufficient tokens for the chassis he drives in the race.  Any driver who does not have sufficient tokens will be disqualified from the result and his tokens will be set to zero.

Chassis costs;
Lotus 20 / Eagle 17 / Ferrari 15 / Brabham 10 / Cooper 5 / Honda 3 / BRM 0

To see your current tokens hover your mouse over your total points on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=225;theme=6). Ten tokens will be added when you cross the start line.

The Championship is split into two sub-divisions, namely Works and Privateers. The current driver split is;

WORKS drivers

Evil Clive	Tim FMG	Andrew Hodgson
Hristo Itchov	James Rye	Ruud Savelkoul
Sam B	Jethro W	Will Tway
John Roberts	Phil Thornton	Ken Murray (R)
Fulvio Policardi (R)	Doni Yourth (R)	Mike Beattie (R)
Lorenzo Galluzzi (R)	Kruger Enge (R)	King Hero (R)

PRIVATEERS drivers

Al Heller	Bookie W	Graham Poole
Bartosz Podreckony	Rick Nauman	Sharkfin (R)
Steve Bird	Vosblod	Burtoner (R)
Billy Nobrakes (R)	Viss (R)	Peter Maestro (R)
Bernie D (R)	Michael Turner	Rogster (R)
Baab (R)

67 Patch: The 1.3 Release of the 67mod can be used.

NOTE: In the event of more then 19 entrants a second grid will be run for the Privateers on ukgpl.6. (IP 80.5.200.198) Instructions will be provided in the chatroom – please ensure you join the correct server, due to the way we import if you start the race on the wrong server your result will not count. If you can try to make sure you are in the chatroom by 8.50pm this will enable a decision without any delays to the start time.

Circuit Park Zandvoort is located in Burgemeester van Alphenstraat, near the town of Zandvoort in the Netherlands. The first street race was held on June 3, 1939. A real circuit was not built until after the war, based on communications roads built by the German army during its occupation in WW2. It was inaugurated on August 7, 1948. Next year the circuit hosted the Zandvoort Grand Prix. The following year, the race was called the Dutch Grand Prix, and it was included in the Formula One World Championship from 1952. It remained on the F1 calendar for 30 out of the next 34 years. In 1985, the Dutch Grand Prix was held for the last time. The company that commercially ran the circuit went out of business, marking the end of Circuit Zandvoort. A plan to save the remaining track was eventually made and Circuit Park Zandvoort was born, a 1.6 mile Club Circuit, in 1989.

Server confirmed with 35 laps GP race.
Ciao

Loose grid this time Fulvio?  ;D


Tim; What's happened to The Skid this season!?  :o
I've been missing your daft articles for the last few months  :'(

Zandvoort has already been tested ;)

tried till I'm blue in the face , but cant get to that beach

Is there a cheat code ?  ::)

Please  :taz: :taz: :taz:

I keep meaning to do it - just a case of finding the time at the moment. Hope to re-launch shortly...

You might find some directions here  ;D  http://www.naaktstrandje.nl/noordholland/Zandvoort/ZandvoortEngels.html (http://www.naaktstrandje.nl/noordholland/Zandvoort/ZandvoortEngels.html)

 "dogs not permitted "

could have a problem there  ;D

Just to let you know if we need a separate grid for the Privateers we will give ukgpl6 another go - left it running for a while and all seemed ok.
IF there are problems again we have ukgpl5 on standby - thanks Mike.

Engine exploded with 10 to go  :cursing:

Proabably for the best as I'm sure I only had 32laps worth in my race setup  :-[

Got 3rd, but was leading that for a good 16 laps or so when Hristo decided going off-track on the first lap was a stellar idea! From there I had a job keeping John behind me, but when I missed the braking point after the pedal stuck, it was doomed from the get go. As I rejoined keeping my car to the extreme left of the circuit, I knew he was on the inside, and he drifted straight into my car in an eerily familiar fashion. From there, I had a few more offs and another one which let Fulvio through. He'd also bested my fastest lap which I was desperately going for! 3rd is good out of 5 finishers I guess, but it could have and should have been more.

That was the worst driving I've done in a long time... very disappointed with myself.

Managed just 1 OKish qualifying lap that surprisingly was enough for pole (low turnout though), but after leading for a bit after the start I made one of many mistakes, dropping down to 6th or so.

After my teammates let me by, I had some hard chase of Phil, but he was having good exits and it was difficult to pass him. Eventually I went around the outside of the hairpin, but he didn't leave me enough room on the exit (or it was warp), and the contact sent me spinning.

After pushing way too hard afterward to make up the lost time, I spun under braking at T2 and got stuck into the fence. Race over!  ::)

Yes sorry about that H, I was enjoying racing you for a change.  Most of the time I just move over and let you by because you are lapping me!  I tried to drive defensively but fair, the power of the Lotus was my only defence and so I tried to take a defensive line on entry and get the power down early to get a good exit.  It was working well until I clipped the kerb at the esses and you were all over me at the hairpin.  I knew you were on the outside to I tried to keep tight and actually clipped the kerb.  I thought I'd given you enough room but we made warp contact (on my replay anyway).

Grats to the podium (nice to see JR and Jethro up there) and thanks to Fulvio for the server. 

A separate note will follow re the Privates server (ukgpl6) suffice to say it will be practice only until the problem is sorted. Thanks to Mike for providing back-up via ukgpl5.

As regards the Privateers race the results will stand. The reduced laps were made clear in chat so we all started in the same boat. I can assure you the current server issues are being looked into and will be resolved shortly.

if I may point out the rules that this league uses for rejoining the track

https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/sporting

"Rejoining the race after an incident
It is the responsibility of any driver who is returning to the track to make sure they do not interfere with other drivers.

Rejoining drivers should stay off the racing line and give way to faster cars until they are fully up to speed. Rejoining drivers should not attempt to keep anyone behind them until they are fully up to speed. Any driver who rejoins a race and, owing to negligence, causes another car to crash or take severe avoiding action, will be penalised."

it's not a fashion we have been using these rules for years .

john

Well, I was on the track practicing right up to zero minutes left.  I saw very briefly in chat a comment like "we could just log on in order of qualy times".  I asked "whats up?"  Reply was "race length is 12 laps".  At this point the bottom right square went green and I clicked it not wanting to be left in the chat room talking to myself.  I was certain from the chat I saw that the race would be halted by who ever controlled the server.  So I started a 12 lap race with fuel for 35 laps.  Some may have had fuel for 12 laps.  How will we ever know what fuel load each driver had?  I mean really... we're going to let an impromptu 1/3 length sprint race count as the official points race?  What's so hard about doing a proper rerun?

BTW, Bernie, sorry for the side swipe at the start.  Though I had a good jump at the flag I was bumped from behind.  Could possibly have been a lag issue as the car behind me had an impossible surge (at least in my replay).

May I just add something...

Welcome, Jethro Walters, to Hiki Waza Racing!!! From here on, all your victories are belong to her!!!  ;D

Cheers H, woulda been a victory had I not screwed up quite so many times.

Likewise...  ::)

Yup my replay shows the same , Vos rammed the pair of us then you side swiped me , think this is now three in a row when ive been taken out at the race start although this time it may not have happened if we had a loose grid , I also had the same old issues trying to join so by the time I got to qually there was about 9mins to go ,did the same as you and started with fuel for 35 laps  Then comes the race and I get scuttled (again) and from there on I couldnt settle down to racing and made some stupid basic errors trying to play catch up :-[

Not an equal playing field when the front runners are doing a sprint race and I.m set for a 32 lap slugging match , not saying it would make much difference in the leaderboard but the chances of my doing any good in the championship are now dissapearing fast through no fault of my own .


 :'( :'( :'(

Not sure what happened with the grid and the race length, the server was started remotely by Vos as I was out and using my phone for irc chat so I couldn't start it myself.

I know for a fact that all the 65 grids should be loose and I am almost sure I set the 67s and 69s loose too but I will now check each one again.

The 65season.ini file has the race length reduced for 65 Amateurs tomorrow but the 67 race should have used the 67 season.ini which should have been the correct number of laps so I'm not sure what happened there.

Looked at my replay and, surprise surprise, shows no contact with a gap to you and Rick in front. Then it shows Rick skewing right into you. Not been able to download the server replay to look but guessing it might show impact.
I know it sounds like an 'it was warp not me your honour' excuse but I think in this case, it was, not being helped by a tight grid. I am obviously sorry it happened, if you want to submit a report it will of course be moderated by someone else.

I don't think it's productive to get into a drawn out debate as to the results standing but I did not make an arbitrary decision. The only rules relating to restarts are on the Etiquette page (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/etiquette) under Red Flag Situations. The laps are shown on the first GPL screen and it was mentioned a few times in chat. Nobody, to my knowledge, abandoned the race prior to the start due to the shorter race distance.
We are taking measures to ensure this will not happen again but, and I stand to be corrected, the lap no's cannot be changed remotely via IGOR. This meant there was no option to restart on a longer distance.

John, as an addendum to those rules, I spotted these not long ago:

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.msg65157#msg65157


Granted I should have slowed down, but it didn't give you an automatic right to the left-hand side of the track.

Haven't yet looked at the replay BTW, been a long day at work!

sorry but it did , the left hand side being the racing line .

"Rejoining drivers should stay off the racing line and give way to faster cars until they are fully up to speed."

Figured out what happened with the grid. As I thought, all my grids were set to loose but the 67 patch created a track67.ini for all papy tracks and does not use the track.ini at all.

I have now changed them back to loose again.

So cutting across you to get to the other side of the track that wasn't the racing line would have been fair game, no?

you should have lifted imho , also if you did what you are saying then you would be against the rules "It is the responsibility of any driver who is returning to the track to make sure they do not interfere with other drivers."

john

Yes, I know I should have lifted, but it is also the responsibility of the overtaking driver to move cleanly.

Works both ways y'know. ;)

i was past you cleanly , whats your point?

john

That explains it - didn't know that. Better check my grids too and the lap no's they are set for.

You weren't past cleanly, otherwise you wouldn't have hit me. ;D

i didn't hit you .. you hit me .

john

My replay clearly shows you aiming your car to go to the outside of the corner. Had you actually stayed to the right-hand side of the track, I'd have let you through anyway since you had the racing line to the corner after the kink. The exit you had from the first corner wouldn't have harmed your speed on the short straight after it if you'd kept a tight line.

Having said that, you also made the assumption that I wouldn't be in the space of tarmac you were trying to occupy, otherwise you wouldn't have gone there in the first place. ;)

JR, Jethro

Please submit an incident report and we'll sort this out through the proper channels.  Although I haven't looked at the server replay, I did review the entire race between you two on my client replay (last night immediately after the race) and on that there was only warp contact; but we need the server and both your client replays to determine the actual effect of any warp.  The rules are comprehensive but they are not infallible and hence the need for moderation.  A rational and impartial review is alway necessary in unusual or borderline cases, this may be one of them.  In most borderline cases there has to be a little give and take on both sides.

As an aside (it wasn't an incident so it won't be reported so I'm not preempting a ruling) a few laps later Jethro did a similar thing and lost a place to Fulvio after having spun putting too much power down on the exit of Tarzan.  Jethro's rejoin, where he gave Fulvio the racing line on the entry to Gerlachbocht, was exemplary.  It was in a place where the racing line doesn't hug the kerb though.

I'll do it tomorrow evening when I hopefully have my glasses back from repair. :)

Just noticed I was the leading Waza in this race. I was NOT expecting that.  :o

Not wanting to drag the debate too much further either but let me make one final suggestion.  Can we award partial points as is done in real F1 for a shortened race?  Say... 1/3 normal points since it was 1/3 a normal race.  Or maybe 1/2 normal points.  That would ease the pain for those down the chart while still letting the front runners make some gains.


I definitely think it was warp.  In my replay your car lurched forward in a totally impossible manner.  I wish I could get that kind of a jump!

Is there a server replay for this one? I downloaded the Privateers replay thinking it was the Works one. :)

Sorry forgot to upload this one. Now in the usual place; http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/2009.11.29_Grads_Works_Zandy/ (http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/2009.11.29_Grads_Works_Zandy/)

Cheers Tim. :)

Phil, I trust you have the server replay? Do you still need the respective clip to compare client and server replay?

My instinct is there's warp, but I cannot be sure because the camera angles don't show it very well.