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All members are welcome to this, the final race of the first half of Season 11. The season will continue after a brief break for the holidays.

Practice 1:	20:00	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:10	(20 mins)
Race:	20:30	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: Any GT1 or GTC from the v2.11.0.0 pack (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#post_physics)).
Weather: Changeable, seeded from real-world conditions.
Track: Oschersleben GP 2004
Race Start Time: 19:00 (into the night race)
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Season 11
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
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hello gents i would to try to race with u guys this weekend  ;)

Hi Apex  :)

Good to hear from you. Looking forward to racing with you again.

Welcome Apex  :) Fancy a go in GTC?

Sorry to be pushy Dave, is there gonna be a race on the 27th? Need to know when to avoid family, in-laws, "friends" etc. for the important stuff of racing. If a few are away then I'm happy to give it a miss.

No, no championship race anyway. Second half of season 11 will start Jan 3 - we may have a skin pack update test on the 27th.

Cheer Dave and bugger, I'm probably away on the 3rd. On second thought, do it on the 27th  ;)

While I'm here, gotta mention I tried the GTC Lotus around here last night and its really rather good. As nimble as I guessed it would be, bordering on twitchy, and a wee bit quicker than Spyker for me. If you can put up with the dreadful noise it makes, it would be a nice choice for someone. Got more testing to do    :)

If you're referring to the Exige I'd love to see your setup. I can't get within 3 secs of a time I can do in  Z4/Spyker and you're still 3.5 secs quicker in the Spyker than I can go. That means over 6 secs a lap quicker. I am truly not worthy of driving the same tarmac as you!  :alien:

Well look at his avatars bleary eyes and crooked fingers, probably from 12 hours of pracci every night  ;D

Practicing? Spend all my time planning how to kill "the boy".

Here's the setup I came up with for the Exige http://www.humyo.com/F/9269991-2281966971 To be honest I'm a little disinterested in setting things up and rather use the same setup for all cars so they all have same "feel" (I should do better I know). Pretty sure Oschers is a good track for it and, if I remember right, you only used it in the damp, which isn't something I'd like to try. I got a flat 27 on server with it and was a couple of tenths slower in the Spyker with same amount of fuel.

Thanks for the setup. I did try it a Brno as well. this time in the dry and although I faired better (fell off less) I was so far off the pace it was a joke. When I tested the car originally for Donington I went fairly well but the rain scuppered that, however it wouldn't have worked anyway as the handling went to pot after a few laps.

do i have to i hoping to try the vette C6R i have online experience..

You can pick any car you want from the GT1's or GTC's. You can go with the C6R. :)

The numbers this season are currently weighted towards the GT1's rather than GTC's hence SBG's encouragement to go for a GTC.

Wasn't sure whether to post this as I don't want to appear .... err...ungrateful...

Hate this circuit, roll my eyes everytime we have to run here... will vote with my feet this week!  ;)

Loved it forever best driving with the MC12 here. Marcos was a bit tougher. :P Have to see how Aston gets around in this place. :)

Another familiar track for me - i have to admit i quite like it! I think as it is a relatively short lap here and we run the multi class championship traffic will be an issue in both the race and quali.  I'm hoping for a repeat of last week from the team to keep our noses out infront in the constructors championship. Wow, this season is really close!

Can someone please kickstart the server please?

Done.

After much testing, I'm no nearer picking a new motor. Just gonna roll with the Spyker for this and roll the dice between Morgan and Exige (which are very well matched around here at least) during Crimbo break. The thought of trying the Exige in the scheduled forecast was undeniably a factor in that decision  :)

Question about the weather.

Are we using a minimum temp? If so what is it? I am assuming that we are not going to race with -4C. ;D

Sorry if this has been mentioned else where.

Any chance of updating the server with current weather settings? :)

Thanks.

The default minimum is 10, which would result in an initial setting of 15 and a maximim of 20. If you click the "Generate Weather" link at the top you can see for yourself.

I see. Thanks Dave. :)

When the "Generate Weather" button says to set condition for "Heavy Snow" does this mean we will most likely get a monsoon wet race?

I too am confused over the weather  ???

Whatever it does i have struggled to find a setup to get the Aston really hooked up here , so maybe rain will be my friend again...

I'm hoping my connection is ok tonight as my ISP has had issues in my area this week and my internet has been very slow or even non existant for parts of the week. Hoopefully it will hold on for the hour or so i need it to tonight!

Looking at the forecast, I'm expecting a difficult and unpredictable race tonight. Tyre selection could be very tricky for the Aston.  ???

If it rains then safely overtaking GTC's will also need a lot of care.

My I take this opportunity to therefore re-iterate turning down at the very least headlights to LOW in graphics options, especially for those with rigs that can't run more than 30fps at night in the rain!! The headlight option is the single biggest killer of FPS when using headlights.

Next up would be shadows (turn them down), then special effects and reflections.

Remember, if you are running low FPS you affect everyone, either by warping or slowing the game server software down cause it's slowing down the response to/from your client!

Joined the server a few times, each time the other cars disappeared after a few minutes. So i'm out for tonight  >:(

Thats 2 times in 3 weeks my ISP has cost me the chance to race. Good job they have been rock solid in the past for me. They said it should be fixed on tuesday so i hope to be back after the break with no issues, otherwise i will be accessing my options. Have fun guys  :(

That was going to be the only wet race i'd enjoyed until all of a sudden i lost connection just after half way. I had about 65L left which would have meant an off chance of carrying on till the end after an early stop to fill up and swop onto inters after starting on soft/hard wets. These were working brilliantly and brought me up into the top 10 so was anticipating a decent finish :(

The car finaly gave up. ;D Didn't have as many offs in many seasons. :P

How could I have failed so miserably after getting pole?

Sorry to just about everyone for getting in their way. I should have hit esc the first time I spun as I was too close for comfort to hitting the drivers behind me. Very big sorry to TT as well.

Wrong tyres at the wrong times. In the end the car seemed to spin and under steer massively, but only on the 2nd gear corners. ???

Very tough race. Well done to all that make it to the end.

I've always said I don't like the weather thingy and tonight hasn't changed my mind. Adds to the fun? Adds to the racing? Spent race avoiding spinners, clattering my teamy (so sorry JPV) and then crashing out after doing something daft. That would be a no on both counts for me then, ha ho (ho, ho, ho)

Congrats to all the finishers. Happy Christmas and look forward to seeing you all in 2010  :)




 

Possibly the least I've enjoyed a UKGTR2 event since... I can remember :(

Not making the experience any better were the numerous spins I had, that meant overtaking some poor GTC cars a couple of times :-[.

Even worse was when I had Jon(?) & Simon up behind me, totally haddocked the double left kink & ended up going through the gravel. Managed to stop just about an inch short of Jon, but that meant Simon came into me from behind. I so sorry Simon, I hope it didn't hurt your car :(. My head is hung in shame.

Don't understand it, I normally quite enjoy wet events ???

The track was one of my favourites so was looking forward to this one, but the conditions were just awful, probly spent more time on sand than asphalt. Pitted in a few times to try both slicks and wets, but just couldn't manage it.

In the end figured I'd keep running in case something happened to my teammates, which it eventually did for Ian, looked like an awesome result until then. :(


No harm done for me, was just expecting you to pass on the straight. After that incident I just parked the car whenever I saw others approaching in the mirrors. :P

I was expecting a difficult race and thats what I got.  :)

Started ok..staying on the track and putting in some consistent laps on the soft wets. But as the tyres started to go red and the lap times came down I decided it was best to pit early and go to slicks. I think the strategy was right but my excecution was poor. I had real trouble adapting to the new tyres and started to make too many mistakes. Sorry if I scared anybody with my off track exploits. Sorry to Gsi Bob  :-[

Eventually got back to some sort of consistency and started to put in some good lap times. Also had a good race with Apex for the last few laps. Hope you enjoyed your first race here.  ;D

Congrats to the two podiums and all who finished. Thanks everyone for some good racing this year. Looking forward to 2010.

It caused me minor damage to the front splitter which made the triple left hander a bit harder, but not too bad. No probs, just one of those things.

Qualifed pretty poorly in the wet myself, was finding it hard to find the edge. Annoying really cause I go really well here in the dry in the Lister normally. Anyway, race was very steady starting, soft wets on which I reckon was the correct choice imho I was able to keep it on the track easily. When it stopped raining the temps started to rise but I controlled the temperatures by going off-line and driving smoothly. Lap times weren't great, but the car was safe to drive and I wasn't interested in trying to pass Gazza, just hoped he would fall off. :P

Pitted a bit after half distance and after Jons reports on slicks being that they were quick when up to temperature but a bit hairy offline and he'd already spun a couple of times I decided to put on intermediates instead. They were ok, pretty safe and steady, but I could never get them beyond 70-80 degrees and they were 2-3 seconds slower than the fastest slick runners. When Gazza caught me I was fairly comfy as I knew he had to drive offline to overtake me so there was no need to drive defensively. I'm sure he would have got through eventually, but I gifted it to him by losing the sight of the entry to the triple left hander and running onto the grass.

After that I was on my own and was tempted to pit for soft slicks to see if I could fastest lap, but I thought better of it as I had a safe podium position.

Better than the farce I had at Barcelona that's for sure, but I can't help thinking I could have been fighting at the front with a luckier tyre choice at the pit stop.

Well done Jose on the win and Pete in GTC.

Well, I did everything that you could do wrong in one race :-[ Was happy with 1st stint then came in for tyres and thought meds would be ok.....Then after I'd pressed return for the boys to get on with the stop. I forgot to change the tyres :-[ so I got another load of soft wets. Stopped again the next lap and my race was gone. Tried a bit too hard after that and span many times. At the end of the race was in 4th thinking it was a job well recovered then on the last lap I ran out of fuel :( Finished 4th but I think the results importer thingy will knock me down a few places. Great driving form the rest of you though 8)


Don't worry Legz it happens to us all ;D
I didn't feel so bad after this one but the last oschers wet race. I just quit. I felt like a total fool. Off all over the place, no control etc.

Was looking forward to a dry one to be honest. Seen the partly cloudy forcast and thought 8)

Grats to Jose and Pete 8)

A wet race, again. ::) I decided to take hard wets as it seemed to rain a lot. Race started well (my tyre choice was right, for once :D) and I took med slicks on the pit stop. Tyres started to work better and better as the race advanced. 8) However, when there was about 15 minutes to go, I crashed. I got suspension damage (about 90 secs), some aero damage (about 25 secs) and lost my headlights (not a good thing in a night race ;)). Car did understeer badly and I just tried to keep it on tarmac. Finished 5th which is a good result for me. :yes:

Sorry GTCs and GT1s if I was in your way, especially in the end of the race. :oops:

Well done Jose, GTC winner and pods. Go Team Oldie! :thumbup1:

Started with a full tank and on soft wets which started melting when the rain stopped, so gambled on soft slicks which was like ice skating. Pitted again for inters and repairs, which were the right tyre to be on for most of the race. Had to pit again for fuel because the kerbie pitcrew had unfuelled me in my previous stops >:( Another stop followed to repair more damage and switch to soft slicks which were good for the remaining 20 laps or so.

Personally I don't believe the weather added anything positive to this race. It was down to guesswork as to which were the correct tyres to be on as the track conditions changed. The game just doesn't have the capacity to allow us informed judgements of changing conditions and makes the whole thing a lottery.

Congrats to both podies and finishers and hard luck to all those who suffered in vain.

Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20091220%20U11/index.html)

Started on soft wet fronts and hard wet rears, these worked well until the rain stopped, but with some careful driving off line they held up well enough once the rain stopped for me to stay out for a full hour. With 20 minutes to go they front left was reaching wear 10 so I pitted for soft front and medium rear slicks. They worked okay but with hindsight I'd have been better off on intermediates, the slicks never quite getting properly warm.

Was amazed to finish 3rd in class after Ginsters' departure. :o

Glad I made some additional setup tweaks for the wet just before the race, disconnecting the rear ARB and stiffening the diff slightly. Even so I had a few silly offs, not helped when the glance behind buttons started to jam on randomly, leaving me looking out of the left or right side and desperately bouncing my thumbs off the buttons trying to unstick them! :o :o :o

Started on soft wets, which hit red and silly numbers right away. went in changed to Med Slicks, god knows why,
just wasnt thinking, couldnt stay on the track, went in for full fuel and inters, which just lasted the rest of the....
I almost said race, well it wasn't a race more a competition to see who was the best masochist.
A bit of wet now and then to spice it up I can see but Heavy rain and a night race.
Over the top for me, and others from the sound of it.

Started on soft wets and managed to pull out a small lead in the first 10 minutes but then they started to overheat and Jon was able to slip past. Pitted with about an hour to go and put on med slicks.  I was able to go about 2 seconds a lap faster than the leaders but was losing lots of time getting past traffic. Every time I went offline to pass I almost went off. :o Once everyone else had pitted I had a 20 second lead and then it was just a case of cruising to the finish.
Night race in the wet on slicks.....brilliant!  :clap:

Is it just me or was Legzy in a tem prodigy car?  :hammer:

Well that doesn't happen very often, me getting a class win  ;D

Almost didn't bother with the race as it was raining and I hate the lottery of the changing weather. However it seemed so wet I thought it'd stay that way, wrong again :(

I had done some dry practice in the afternoon and was doing similar times to those Prof said he could do in the Z4 so was expecting a close battle. The rain put pay to that as it seems the conditions affected the Spyker less and although almost 3 secs slower than SbG I had a clear gap to the next GTC in qualifying. As is my way I qualified with my intended race setup and the soft wets struggled in to the green temp wise.

So I started the race with the soft wets, which promptly started to overheat within 2 laps  :-\ I couldn't keep up with SbG, no surprise there, but was comfortably quicker than the chasing GTC pack. Apart from avoiding a few wayward GT1s the race went smoothly until I spun in the triple left. My timing was really bad as while recovering team manager Sharky came past. Hope the result will offset that indiscretion when it comes to contract renewal time ;) I stopped after half way for some new rubber as the softs were clearly well passed their best but the inters I put on were actually just as bad. With a comfortable gap to 3rd in class I thought inters were a safe gamble. I had one off with them just after SbG's unfortunately demise, at the same corner and took out one of the headlights which slowed me even more.

Kept it clean from then till the end. Looking at others fastest laps though, I was surprised to have won by the margin I did. I wasn't that quick in comparison. Either I'm a driving god in the wet (don't think so as I'm shed loads slower than one alien I could mention) or the wet does favour the Spyker more than others. Just need a dry race sometime.

Don't think the Spyker is any "easier" (imagine no one had an easy ride last night) than the rest in the wet so congrats on the fine win last night Pete   :) Amen to a dry race.

I got permission from Spanner to borrow the Prodigy Aston (he's not using it this season) to reduce the number of white cars on the grid. I look forward to jumping in an Oldie version soon ;)

Well done last night Jose & API, flying the Team Oldie flag high. Half way point in the season & we've got a 12/13 point cushion over the amateurs closest rival teams 8)


On a separate note - I have to say, I know how the weather generation works... but it would be nice if the weather did vaguely follow the forecast. It would be less frustrating all round. Last week it was rain from nowhere & some people got lucky, this week it should have been storms, but no ::).

Is it just me or are the mirrors in the DBR9 the wrong way round?  ???

Lucky to get 2nd place last night. I started on hard wets which were safe but not fast. As the track began to develop a dry line I took a risk and stopped early for medium slicks. These were scary in the early laps particularly when off line and I spun several times usually trying to stay out of the way of GT1s (no need to flash your lights continuously  when coming up to lap, it's really off putting). Eventually I found the tyres warmed and I was as fast as nearly any GTC on the track. Once Ginsters left (bad luck, you were way fastest again) I just nursed the car home for an undeserved podium.

Another tough race.

Started the race on soft wets and like most they were glowing red after 4 laps. Thought i'd try and stick it out to nearly half way as although the temps in the tyres were 170 on the front they didn't feel to bad. Simon was keeping me honest most of the first stint but just tried to be smooth and careful.

Pitted with about 50 mins to go as the wear on the front tyres were at 27  :o  and i plumped for soft slicks. They took a few laps to get heat in but once they did they felt great and i was 3 seconds quicker a lap. Had to catch Simon again (not sure how i lost 11 seconds) but it was not gunna be easy getting past but luckily for me he made a mistake and i managed to get a good gap.

Was never gunna catch Jose so quite happy with a 2nd.

In hidesight i probably should of come in earlier to change tyres.

Unlucky H@l great pace in Qually.

I was expecting my PC to really struggle with dark and rain but it didn't cope to bad. I turned pretty much everything down to the minimum and i think the rolling start really helped.

Happy christmas to everyone.

Could we have the server moved on to Spa please ;)

Apologies, now running Spa 2003

thanks Pete :)

Spa? Know something we dont?

thanks i had a blast my friend i glad to be here.....

Nothing you couldn't figure out with your eyes... ;)

Will there be any GTR2 event on 27th?

Not unless somebody else plans it... :P

What am I to do on a Sunday eve? ???

 :P

Fill in your application for Team Shark membership? ;)

See how suttle and understated an invite that was?  :angel:

Might be worthed just to see faces of other Legends :lol:

Stay away from the dark side TT  ;)