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Practice 1: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (40 mins) note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: Chevrolet z06 Coupe, Ferrari 250, Jag E-Type Coupe, Alfa Romeo GTA Alfa Romeo Junior

Weather: Changeable, seeded from real-world conditions (hopefully with a pre-race forecast available on this thread at server start up time)

Track: Ahvenisto (Download HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_ahvenisto))
Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING

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Bill

I remember this track as a beautifully modelled but tortuous goat track that almost made me throw-up when I raced there in GPL.

It's half way to the Arctic Circle, it's the middle of winter and now we are going to have "Legzy Weather", seeded from local conditions?

Can't we have the weather seeded from Laguna Seca instead?

Twisty, narrow and geo-spatially challenging up and downy

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=1609698827073172508&ei=5mBQS9ODDpnC-Qa7z4Vs&q=ahvenisto+circuit&hl=en#

Good job he blew it up when he did.

I was beginning to feel a bit queasy!

Cheers, should be there now.

The driver of that BMW needs to open up his hands on the wheel. One day the back is going to step out to the point where he won't be able to catch it.

250. Great. Z06. Fantastic. Funny weather. Doh.

I enjoy driving the C2 vette in any form on all tracks. Maybe I'll try one of the lesser Z06's instead of the white #5. Ian, which will you be driving?
The Alfa should be quick here.

Just to get the ball rolling :) 1:36.8 in the Jag. (hope thats going to be fast enough).

I've seriously prioritised this race to get some practice in early as it's just a track I've loved testing ;D

So rather unusually, I have some times to post early (in order of testing):

1:39.7 - Chevrolet z06 Coupe = Was surprisingly enjoyable considering how twisty the track is, but I'm rubbish in Muscle.
1:40.0 - Ferrari 250 C             = Very nice. Great fun sliding it round some of the bends, reckon I can improve this time.
1:39.1 - Jag E-Type Coupe    = Probably the quickest car on offer here, but I felt like I wasn't getting the best from it.
1:38.3 - Alfa Romeo GTA        = The easiest drive on offer & I did enjoy, but not sure it will have the power to get past any of the others.

I haven't tried the Jag E-Type coupè, but seeing Legzy's & Ade's laptimes it surely can be competitive with Alfas... However I think that Alfa is more than one second faster here than the other cars. Comparing Ade's 1.36.8 with mine 1.34.9 at the first shot, I think that it will be difficult to follow the Italian "Sporting Heart" of the GTA trough this track.
With the 250 C I was on 1.37 low, 36 is possible; even with the Z06 in which I managed a 1.36 high it's possible to go down a bit, but Alfa here has "1 gear more" than the other. Waiting for some other laptimes... Maybe it could be a good idea add in this list the GTA Junior... I'll give it a try, and let you know my laptimes, if it fit the other... why not? :)
Cu :)

lol, you're just embarrassing my times Manteos :P ;)
Yes, please do give the Alfa Jnr a test too (especially if it can use the same setup that anyone might already have worked on for the GTA) & let us know how you get on :-\

Not done much testing yet but managed a 38.9 in the 250 Comp and a 39.xx in the Alfa but had a CTD before I could save it.

The Alfa seems the nicest to drive.  Not tried the E-Type yet but in my book the z06 is not driveable!

I didn't know the white one was faster? If the Z06 and 250 are about the same pace for me, I'll choose the 250 as that should be a fun match up again :)

Any news on the weather front? Just make it dry? ;)

Well, is it possible to have rain at -14deg C?

Even the Junior is too quick really. 1.35.6 for me after a few laps. Best of 36.3 in the 250 and 36.2 in the z06, although the z06 I'm sure can be quicker. The damn thing is just so frustrating to drive round here as it refuses to rotate unless the speed is below a certain level. I'll probably drive the 250 just for the slidey fun of it  :o :laugh:

We can try to see if the Abarth fit better the pace of the other cars than the Alfas, that seem too quick here... I'll give it a go later, when I'll come back from mine Football match...
Cu later :)

The GR5 Abarth ought to be even quicker. Not sure that the Gr2 one will keep up though.

[Edit] Had a very quick go in the GR5 and it will do high 35s.

hmmm, just done my first laps ever at this place. Its..., err, different. ::)

Legzy how can you complain about Mosport being too tight for racing then pick a track that is almost single file for three quarters of a lap :o  ???

The tracks nice in a hillclimb/time trial kinda way but it doesnt do it for me for racing in these bigger cars :(

eh well, each to their own. Will see if it grows on me a bit more, otherwise i'll leave one of them 24 slots for someone else  ;)

Only done a few laps tonight for the 1st time. managed a 39 in Jag, 38 in GTA, 37 in Z06 (white)

z06 was faster than I expected, but for me it is a perfect track for minis, and other little cars.

Good spot on the Mosport front MJ, but in my defence... we'd already run Mosport twice in GTR2 test races with smaller fields & it didn't work then either. While this is a 1st time fun event at this track... I'm aloud to get it wrong at least once ;)
But I understand what you're saying about doubts over what it might be like for racing.
I would have loved to have had the "Tiny slow cars" on here, but we've already had two races with them recently & figured people would want to see some cars we've not seen recently.

This is perhaps the closest thing I've come across to a mini-nurburgring. All a bit tighter and slower, but the feel is exactly the same :thumbup1:

Guys, I've removed the Alfa GTA from the available cars list & replaced it with the Alfa Junior.

The Junior is still proving to be a little fast for the rest, so if you're one of our faster drivers & you want someone to race with to the finish... you might want to choose one of the others. But no worries if you stick with the Alfa Junior either, it's your race. :)

So pleased that I've only been wasting my time trying to drive the E-Type.  I was planning to go back to the GTA as of tonight for some serious setup work but I guess that I will re-aim at Junior.

I have found turn 11 to be a sod.  The one where it turns sharp left and goes up quite steeply.  The only thing I have found to work there is to made the springs and dampers as soft as they will go, so that it keeps both its rear wheels on the ground.

What is anyone else doing there?  Do you set the car up for the rest of the lap and just live with it at T11? 

The GTA seemed to have its gears in the right place for this circuit.  Hope the Junior is similar.

The junior and GTA are very similar. If you can set up and drive one then the other should be no problem.

I don't find the uphill left a big problem at all and certainly didn't change the setup to cope with it.

Must be my heavy right foot!

EDIT
Junior is very well behaved.   ;D  Mid 37's in my first attempt.  Turn 11 does not try to spit me into the scenery although I hope to get quicker there with a bit more practice.

I'm losing out on a good deal of what PnG offers by just not gelling with the bigger bangers.

should be getting some practice in here online tonight from about 8:30 :)

I don't think the Alfa drivers are going to have it all their own way you know. :no:

I'll take my chances in the F250 tomorrow 8)

The 250 impresses me more and more every time I try it :) Its handling has far more depth than the others here and its a real challenge to drive it flat out but I won't be able to resist. Gotta add that the Jag is more fun than I imagined as well.

Looks like the muscle gents may have their work cut out around here and I'm aiming for revenge for last week Mike ;) Should be fun.

Good turn out for pracci tonight and some very impressive laptimes from the full range of car choices. I'm low 37s in the Alfa Jr which should hopefully give me plenty of company come race time, although not challenging the front runners.

That tight uphill left hander reminds me of the corkscrew but in reverse ;D

Big thanks to H@L9000, we now have a "Weather Forecast Generator" that will interpret the weather file without us server starters needing to look at the info. So as a server starter, I'll only know what everyone else does 8)

This will be it's maiden test & if required, H@L9000 has said he should be able to tweak it a little, should we desire. :notworthy:

The forecast will (just like in the real world) be mostly accurate & not an exact science. But will give you a pretty decent idea of what to expect.

So thanks again H@L9000 for your time/effort for the communities benefit.

Cheers
Chris

p.s. before anyone gets in a panic, looking at the real world forecast, it's looking pretty steady at the moment & so the race forecast will reflect that (hopefully) ;)

LOL
Sadly I believe GTR2 only goes down to 10° Celsius... so don't expect too much ice ;)
You're tyres/engine/brakes will likely be a bit colder then if you've been practising in "dry" settings. But if like me, you've got overheating tyres, that could be a good thing! :laugh:
The real world forecast is still saying overcast & with minimal change expected... so anticipate a very similar "Race Forecast" to be released about 7:20pm.

A close battle last night Tudor.

I shall try not to kill you on the grid this week!

 :lol:

It promises to be a close race throughout, although I suspect there'll be lots of little red cars. Hats off to those who are able to coax fast times from the other choices.

Legzy Weather!

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrScooby329

Tonight's Official Race Weather Forecast:

Race Start:  Overcast
Early Conditions:  Dry
Mid Race Conditions:  Rain
Late Race Conditions:  Overcast


Please remember, the forecast is not "exact"... but just like any forecast, it'll give you a good idea what to expect (this has been designed this way intentionally).

I look forward to feedback on the use of H@L9000's forecast generator... not that "you don't like weather" ;D
Restarting server now...

The usual password isn't working, help please.  ::)

not started yet

The usual password isn't working

 ??? ???

It's our usual "race" password not the usual "practice" password. You can find it at the top of this screen, near the weather info.

Great to see some new faces aboard tonight, welcome  :)

I don't know why I always learn new track braking points by tyres marks as I'm always knacked if they change. They did in quali ::) Took me a while to get there and chuffed to be rear gunner to Paul. Failed at that after a terrible start and Mike was past. Couldn't really settle in traffic and clipped Paul, sorry, and rather held up Mike. Sorry gents, I'll obey the team orders for the real stuff I promise :angel:

Track was ok and lappees were excellent (although they had to rather unfairly ruin a lap to let anyone by :'(). I've expressed my views on funny weather elsewhere and that hasn't changed. Appreciate you efforts though Legzy, you'll get the weather balance right I'm sure. Very, very good match up between Z06 and 250 I thought.

Roll on S2 ;D

Misunderstanding with an Alfa into the first corner, Tapped Mike up the bum under braking a few corners later,sorry for that.
then spent most of the race following another Alfa, eventually after the rain the tyres were going a bit,
lost it after the jump and bounced off the walls across the track right in front of Marco, sorry for the wildly bouncing tank
I was trying very hard to keep it out of your way.

After the damage from that dropped back into the sights of Legzy and PR, Legzy got past when I went off I think
PR got up the inside when I went wide on the last lap.

Good bit of fun I suppose, not a good car/track choice to me, least enjoyable P&G so far.

Now, Goodwood.. there's a proper track  ;D

Don't understand where the rain came from.  The real weather didn't seem to have any.

Replay & Results in usual places


Understood, I just hope that having an idea of what weather is likely to come, will spoil less peoples races as we'll obviously see far less 'freak' weather moments.

Appreciate all 'Forecast' type feedback though chaps?

I enjoyed the close battle all race long with Ian and Paul, but throughout the event, I couldn't help feeling like Mini's and Abarths would have been much better here. While the 3 of us did pass each other, none were from a well executed setup and then pass. Each was from others making a mistake. I was quicker than Ian till 5 minutes to go when my tires abruptly decided to quit working. From then on, Paul must have been frustrated with him being quicker, but not able to get by. I didn't prepare for this race at all prior to the practice so I'm pleased with the overall result.

I too get a little flumoxed when tire marks dissapear during quali. I try not to use them focusing on brake markers or trees and such, but this track didn't have any markers. Paul put down a great lap in quali and I wasn't too far behind on the front row. I decided to give it up as my leg was getting tired pushing so hard. Then, last lap, Ian throws down the gauntlet and pips me for the front row. It was for not though as he didn't get a good launch at the start. I blew past him and closed up on Paul into T1. I knew the track would be damn near impossible to overtake on so I tried an ultra agressive bullish move into T1. It didn't turn out well for Paul as I muscled into him putting him wide in T1. Sorry Paul. I wanted to give it back, but Ian was already through. Upset with myself, I missed the apex for turn 4 and let Paul and Matt through.

By lap 3, things worked out to where they started as I saw Ian somehow got tangled up with Paul just over the jump. I didn't see what happened, but we were back in starting order so game on. I pestered Ian for 20 minutes or so. There was nothing between us the entire race. I gave him a light tap into the tight left after the jump sending him offline. That was really my only opportunity to try a pass and realistically, it wasn't going to happen. After giving it back, Ian and I were a few seconds behind Paul. From there, I'm not sure if Paul was taking it easy waiting for us or he was struggling. I just couldn't tell. Ian and I were running pretty quick and eventually caught up.

Lap 18 Paul had a HUGE lurid slide that he recovered after he put on his superhero cape. That was incredible. His tires obviously were going off because a lap or two later, he slipped up at the start/finish line and I was through into turn 1. Paul and I ice skated from there and Ian drove away.

Nice race guys. Congrats to KC on the top 4 positions. Ian, you got your revenge. I'm next. I think I missed the team orders memo?

Please remember that with all weather generation, I purely set the level of changeability (ie quite low tonight as there was not a lot of change in the real forecast). Is going from "overcast" to "light rain" (I know it said "rain", but 'descriptions' is something we can get H@L to tweak for future improvement) a big shock? In England it's always overcast &/or raining, don't suppose Finland is too different? :-\

What I'm hoping to achieve, is that by publishing a forecast before the race, none of us got a shock mid-race when we saw a bit of rain.

Our "Weather.txt" generators are not advanced enough yet for me to tell them "definitely no rain tonight or else!!!" ;)
Besides, how do you know the real weather forecasts were going to be spot on :P :laugh:

Some really nice close racing tonight and one of those races when there was never a dull moment.

A pb in quali put me in amongst our Italian friends which was always going to make for an exciting start :o 8) A keenly and fair fought first few corners and we all came together at the sharp downhill left hander where I locked up and went into the back of Paulo's vette :-[ Hope there was no damage mate. I dropped back to cool down a bit, but then managed to clip the back of Geoffers as he braked. Not my best performance then, and again sorry if I caused you any damage/lost time.

Had a bit of dicing with Legzy, Paulo and Clive and some fun when the rain came, which meant that before I knew it the flag was out for the race end.

Great result for us Kerbies tonight, well done all 8)

Pre race forecast seemed to be very accurate to what happened in the race, but the last time I checked the real world weather it just said overcast. Still, at least we had an idea of what was actually coming in the race which has got to be a step forward. Thanks to H@L and Legzy (and any others?) for their efforts with this.

I rather like the unpredictability in the weather. I'd rather see it follow the actual forcast/conditions and it be not known specifically what will happen prior to the race. Like pit stops, the weather adds a bit of real racing to our online experiences. The more I practice changing weather online, the better prepared I will be with real club racing.

LAP CHART HERE:-

www.planet-venom.co.uk/PnG/Ahvenisto/index.html


Grats to Ian on the win and his FL on the last lap!

I enjoyed that, I had lots of close racing early on with MJ, Spanner, but lost some time when I went wide in turn 1 & span, and then I was battling with JPV who passed me out of the downhill hairpin on the second try.

I span again at turn 1  >:( when I went wide knowing the 3 leaders were bearing down on me but luckily they missed me  :o

After that I was running on my own, but struggling with worn tyres.

I had no problems with the weather, was surprised the forecast was for rain mid-race but it wasn't a shock when the rain arrived, and it was light so didn't really affect my race. Neat idea  :thumbup1:

Enjoyed the middle bit a lot but the start and finish were less fun. Really pleased to get pole since kids/wife/dinner meant no practice and i knew Ian and Mike would be strong. Got a good start but my 250 lost out to the weight of Mike's vette at the apex of T1 - a little team talk might be in order ;) SBG nipped past as well and I got squeezed onto the grass on the exit for good measure, so wasn't feeling too good at that point. Mike then went wide and we both got past. After a few laps Ian lost it braking over the crest and left me in the lead, and that is how it stayed for a long time. Around half distance Ian and Mike had a coming together and lost a couple of secs, but they quickly started closing in. My tyres were starting to suffer I think, and there wasn't much I could do, but I pushed hard and tried to keep ahead. In the end I made a silly mistake in a place I didn't need to and let them both past. I hung on for a bit but Ian was clearly in better shape and Mike was very hard to pass, so I ended up 3rd. Disappointing really after leading for so long, but I probably should have looked after my tyres better - lesson learned. Grats to Ian on the win and Mike for suffering the horrid vette (at this track) for 40 minutes.

Yep, sorry for that Paul. I was avoiding Mike on the inside and saw you too late. I'm sure we will be more circumspect in a "real" race, as per team memo, or walls will be put up in our garages ;)

Regarding the weather thingy, I didn't see your final forecast cause I was practicing. Can you please announce it earlier?

That was fun, even if it was only 8 laps for me  :)

New car and track for me, managed to start practice two hours before the race and have to say its a fun track. The 250 was great to drive, and I decided to go with the H-pattern gearbox and use the clutch, adds an extra dimension to racing Classics  8)

Only realised halfway through quali that the other tyre compound was soft (D12 or something?) and had not broken the 1m40s, so swapping compound I managed to get a 37s in, just under 3s off pole! Grats Paul, mega lap and the top guys in general.

Race was a little hectic at the start but I kept my nose clean, I'm better at taking that off myself without others  ::)
Had fun with Geoffers and Legzy, Legzy overtook round the outside very nicely  :P and soon after I crashed out. Shame I missed the rain.

Grats Ian  O0

+1  8)

I'd actually gone on to do some GTR2 practise but then realised the server was being restarted early for this so thought i'd actually give it a go for once. Was only thinking of staying on for practise but as there were still places available i thought i'd stay. Plus i was pretty happy with the car finally after Legzy kindly donated his setup even if it was a bit tail happy in the end, though just glad it was understeering like they all seem to do!

Took it gently early on but it just meant i got swamped by those red buzzing things then had a good scrap with Tim and MJ but Tim dropped back then MJ seemed to just quit out :( Struggled a bit in the wet then struggled with the car later on as the rears were wearing a bit compared to the fronts. But all-in-all a nice re-introduction to PnG :)

No damage and arm done at all mate.  ;) I was tapped so many times this race I lost the count.... :D

Personaly, I usualy don't chose a heavy powered car. I still don't know why I chosed it.
Lost all the practice session (as usual)  ::) and made 3 or 4 laps in quali which gave me
the 10th starting position.
Good acceleration will give me a couple of positions during start, I thought. It happened.
I was in 7th for half of the race, always with three and then two Alfas right on my rear bumper.
I knew that if I could remain in the apex, I could keep the place untill next corner.
The pressure was intense, so intense that one of the Alfas colide with me and it spun (replay 1117.346).
An advantage of driving a 1500 kg. car.
When the rain came, I hold it for a while, but a slighty mistake allowed an Alfa to pass me.
10 minutes to the end my rear tires went off and Legzy got me aswell.
On the very last lap Matt's tires where even worst than mine, I presume, and I managed to pass him.

Congrats to the podium and to the Ade's driving on the E-Type.

Hats off to all backmarkers, but as was said before you don't need to get out of the track
and ruin your lap to let front drivers pass. Just brake a bit sooner on the next corner
and give the apex to the leaders to pass you.  ;)

Cheers

Next time is better if I shut up about car pace... GTA would have fit perfectly with these rockets in front of the grid :)

About my race, it was an unbelievable fun against Marco, that wasn't trained at all I suppose... However one of the most "rude" duel in my entire life of OR driver... I know that Marco is a noise when is back to someone, and we spent a lot of laps ovartaking each other sometimes fairly, and sometimes not, but always in a Gentleman agreement between us, and without overambitious manouvre...
Probably even PR had fun seeing these 2 red Alfas fighting behind him with "strokes of red paint"... but it seemed more an issue between 2 "Italian spaghetti eaters", and we only missed a gun to be even more realistic ;D ;D ;D
However after this endless fight with Marco, I started to attack the Z06 of PR, but he was sliding around during all the 3rd left uphill corner, and I can't avoid to touch him... or he can't avoid to touch me, same result... However after this touch my car gone in spin... It wasn't fault of PR surely, that was a race contact at all! After that I was just late for a meet with some friends, and I preferred to push esc, a little bit angry with my self, because I surely would prefere to see how it would finish the race... We'll never know it :)
Great fun, and grats to the quick kerb krawlers that were on another planet in this race  :punk: :punk:
Cu for the next :)

Paulo, obviusly you' re talking about me, but it was impossible don't tap you.. There was an enormous difference in cornering speed between Alfas and Z06, and even if I was braking inside the corner to avoid the contact, sometimes it was impossible to do it, because I should stop my car to avoid you, and I had another car one tenth behind me, that surely would have caused some collision if I would have brake more than I was doing during the race.
Comfort you thinking that I received a lot of "knockings" on my red alfa too! However it was a great race on a great track and i hope you will excuse me for having ruined your rear bumpers :)
Cu :)

Pleasantly surprised at my qualifying lap - still qualified last but at least I'm consistent.  ;D  Made my usual good start and had a few close laps before everybody passed me.  Pleased my fastest lap was only just over 0.3 sec off my qualifying time.  I put my head down trying to beat it but after a few attempts the rain came and by the time the track dried again my tyres were past their best.

Congratulation to the podium, well done KC - drivers at both ends of the finishers.  :lol:

Bill

Ps since we don't have a choice of suitable rain tyres, I don't try and read the predicted race conditions - just try and cope with them.

I really would need an extra eye last night, seeing you both fighting as you were and trying to
pass me at the same time while I was trying to brake not too soon for you and not too late that
I could lost my braking point. Unfortunately you spun Manteos, I was sad when I saw you leaving the server, as you said would be nice to see how it would finish. Next time. By the way, many taps
on my rear end, but all fair and never put me in jeopardy.  :)

It's nice to read your words!
That was surely a bit "agonistic" duel, but I was only attempting to cross your lines many times, to have a better speed leaving the corner, but the engine of the z06 doesn't let me try something better than a strategy like: "hold on my brakes to be closer to you" :), (and possibly to be not overtaken by Marco at the same time).
These 2 cars are really different featured, and it's "normal" to have some small tap when there are 3 cars battling in an half second, but luckily P&G allows it more than in GTR2, if cars are on the same weight. Our contact was unlucky because we catch each other during the jump, and the weight of your car won the heat against the "lighter" Alfa, that's all.
Hope to repeat this duel very soon mate :)
Cu :)

Being the 1st time using it online last night, I was hoping to have plenty of time to get things sorted & in place.... Things came up & I was a few mins late with all my server duties :). But I will try to get it on there a little earlier. Worst case, people can check it while the server is being restarted.


You're mistaken there Bill. Last night you were in the Alfa Junior, which has the choice of two tyres:
1) Dunlop CR65 184 = Medium wear - Grip 6 - All Weather/Dry conditions
2) Dunlop CR65 970 = Soft wear - Grip 8 - All Weather/Wet conditions

All PnG tyres are OK in the wet (unlike GTR2), but some cars do have better tyres available to them. Always worth a 2 second check in your Tyre Manual (http://gtlw-blog.flyingpig.info/images/stories/png2manuals/tyresmanual_screen.pdf), particularly if our new Race Forecast is suggesting rain might be on the way ;D

This isn't strictly true. Some of the 70s cars (911 RSR at least) have slicks, which are pants in the wet.

I for one, had a corking race. Think I probably drove a lap or two fighting everyone (except the podium guys) at some stage. Love that F250, it's a hoot! Thanks to all who raced & congrats to the chaps at the front. Might have to consider putting only the Kerb Crawlers on some kind of Tokens ration :-*

The season starts proper next week at Goodwood, hope to see you there. Details will be up shortly (but it'll be pretty similar to the Inter-league race the night before, if you need to know now ;)).


No, please don't "shut up". You were quite correct that the normal GTA would have been too fast round here.
The Alfa's had such an advantage on this track (you can see by how many people choose it) being that
much easier to achieve a decent time, that the Junior was the perfect match. The other cars needed you to dedicate a lot more time to get competitive. So I thank you (& others) for suggesting the GTA was maybe to fast.

OK. ::) ;)
All PnG tyres are OK in the wet unless they're slicks ;) (unlike GTR2), but some cars do have better tyres available to them. Always worth a 2 second check in your Tyre Manual, particularly if our new Race Forecast is suggesting rain might be on the way ;D

apologies for my early exit last night. Really couldnt get into it, didnt like the track/car combo from the start and thought the track was just too narrow for racing.

Got nurfed a couple of times in early laps and lost several places and although i enjoyed a good early battle with Tim, it was costing me about 2-3 secs a lap as just couldnt get past a wide enough same spec car here. By the time i cleared Tim, Clive in the next car ahead was some 20 seconds ahead even though he had been just in front of the pair of us when the battle started  ::)
A recovering spanner added some spice and enjoyed another good tussle, but could just see i was holding up his Fezza for lap after lap so pulled wide. Seemed a pointless exercise to race on alone for another 15 laps with no enthusiam so i bailed.
First P&G race i havent enjoyed or looked forward too.  :(

Would maybe argue against dropping the GTA too before the race. Yeah it may have been very quick in the hands of the aliens but didnt see any Juniors setting fastest laps last night either  ;)

Best highlight for me was the rain shower. It came in far more realistically with the sky darkening over a few laps before the rain fell. Very atmospheric and similar to the early MARA races i enjoyed on Brit club tracks. :thumbup1:

I'm very appreciative of all the work that is being done to model the weather and to present it in a way that is understandable to an idiot like me.  Thank you very much to all concerned.  I'm generally in favour of real weather.

But

Are we not in danger of anglicising everybodies weather?  Yesterday we were supposed to be seeding the weather from the Finish winter where it was fourteen degrees below zero and, as I understood things, stood no chance of raining.

But we lob some rain in anyway?????

I didn't get the chance to look at the Legzy Forecast because I was busy rebooting my pc, which I always try to do before a race.

it was sleet, not rain  ;) best they could simulate for Finland i should imagine, combined with the low temps that kept the tyres cool.

why were you of the opinion that Finland had no chance of rain Clive?

P.s. As mentioned previously, gtr2 can't get down to freezing let alone -14... We can only tell it to be as cold as possible type thing.

Hi Chris,

I think it was the weather underground site saying something like:-

Probability of Precipitation (%):
0%  0%  0%  0%  0%  0%  0%  0% 

on their hourly forecast.

Besides that, can it rain at that temperature?

Please don’t read this as a rant because it isn’t.  It’s just my thoughts on the matter.


I’m not fussed about Thursday.  The rain was not enough to cause a problem but I just want to know what to expect as we start the new season.  Grats on your drive by the way.  I tried the Ferrari and the tyres just melted.

Remember that I am trying to learn the ropes here and my practice time is precious.  If I take the trouble to look at the real weather forecast and decide that rain can be ignored from my practice schedule then it’s going to get annoying if the “uncertainty factor” could chuck a cloud burst at me in the middle of a desert.

•   If we are going to race in somewhere like Finland, where they stop racing in October, can we not seed the weather from a random day in the previous July? 
•   PnG isn’t a rally sim so why should we try to replicate January weather?
•   If we were racing at Silverstone in July and the real weather forecast said 40% chance of rain then I would expect just about anything bar a shower of frogs and your pre-race forecast would a real boon.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers

Clive

I just want these races to be fun & enjoyed, not a source of frustration. I thought a forecast would help (maybe Dave was right :().

Clive, you might want to spend some time playing with the weather generation tool to understand what it's limitations  :)

I'm need to review PnG & weather.

Pit stops would spice things up.

Don't beat yourself up, these races are fun and enjoyed ta :) For me, keep up the good track and car choices and I'll not bother you with my views on weather ;)

Personal opinion.

Pit stops and changeable weather in some races.  :)

Put a hare  up there - sorry.  What I meant was that there aren't special tyres for the wet.  I find very little difference in the usual tyre choice soft/medium/hard and usually chose and stick with the harder tyre as I find it has a more consistent performance over the race.  A personal opinion not a statement of fact, therefore I race on one tyre type irrespective of the weather forecast and drive accordingly.   ::)

Bill