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In case you have been away from GTL, there have been GTL lobby problems. But.... it's all fixed now!

This is what you do to connect to the server:

1) Download & run this HOSTS HACK (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_hostshack)
2) Start GTL & select to the lobby
3) Register a new lobby account (I suggest the same name but with a blank email & password)
4) Log in with your new account & you should see a list of servers

:euro:

If this fix has not worked for you, then please check out this thread for more info/questions: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6869.msg119486#msg119486

But most importantly, do not suffer in silence (also, don't leave it till the Tuesday night ;)).
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All members welcome.

Grid/server capacity: 28

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (35 laps = ~70mins)

Track: MUGELLO Download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg81636#post_mugello)

Cars allowed: Porsche 935 Download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_porsche935), Porsche 934 Download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_porsche934), BMW CSL GR.5 & Turbo Download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_bmwcsl5), Porsche 911 RSR, Ford Escort RS2000, Renault Alpine 110, Porsche 914-6

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: ON
Fuel consumption: 2x

Server: UKGTL REPLI-race
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) This race will be run using the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.8.0.0 which will need to be installed prior to racing; please get it from the downloads page.
(4) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=237;theme=5)
(5) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car

If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Guy's, the tyre wear issue remains, as the mod author has disappeared and the tyre wear physics author is not taking pm's nor responding to post's  ???

So it's up to you. For this season's racing do you want tyre wear on or off ? your call. Please vote using the poll provided at the beginning of this thread.

Tyre wear on please.   :D

How many laps the Alpine drivers will have in advance before 935 and CSL Turbo start racing?  ;D

I keep meaning to do a racelength test to see just how bad the tyres get on the 935. Anyone else also fancy trying this?

They've just set off

BTW Can you vote using the poll please  :)  (not your fault, I only just set it up)

Alpine or Porsche 935 ??? What a hard choice ;)

Are you fixed for GTL now Mark?

Nope.

Cya all,
server is up in multyplayer of the GTL game ?

I see three server ..

Tanks all

 :clap: :clap:

Yes the server is up and running. Look for game name UKGTL REPLI-race

It will not be running on other series race nights, so that's just tonight now.

 :o Mother of god that Beemer is quick, I'm even faster in it than the 935! Engine is very fragile though!  :D
Not tried the 934 yet, but fastest time in the 935 is a 1.59 and a 1.58 in the beemer turbo.

That's cheered me up only 12 secs off your pace in the Grp5 CSL.  :'( :notworthy:

Bill

What do you mean by the engine being fragile? I am about to choose the turbo BMW (it sounds soooo good... ) so I would like to know more about that.

For the record.........

At this actual race, Jacky Ickx set the fastest qually time in the Porsche 935 of 1:55.780, and a race fastest lap of 1:58.700

What ever you do don't race the beemer with max revs and then proceed to rev its ass off, it'll blow!

Thanks for the times Tony.

Ok, now I understand. Hopefully lowering the rev limit by a click or two would do the job in preventing the engine from blowing up. Othewise it is like sitting on a bomb then...

Going to  upset you more Bill ;D 1:55.4 in the 935  so far  :o maybe a tiny bit to come of that yet.

                                                             Cheers Ade

Dear Mr Wiltshire
Just wondering why the race is running with 2x fuel?   the 935 can make it on one tank full (may need new tyres though) ;D

                                                         Cheers Ade

The 935 ain't gonna make it full distance one one set of tyres  >:( 16 laps in and tyre wear on 60+  ??? will be looking at 2 stops for new rubber, shame really coz its a really nice car.
Don't know if the 935 is taken out of the rfactor DRM mod or some car data  ? but they had to change the 935.
                               
Changes Porsche 935 TURBO

- The Grip was at increasing tire wear deficient and undriviable, it was corrected.
Now you can drive longer distances without panic......
- Changed range of the tire air pressure and corrected standard pressure (check and update your setup-files )
- Brake pressure corrected

I know this. I read the same thing myself and that's why I have attempting, in vain, to contact the guy who did the tyre wear physics. Found his email at one site but after mailing him, my mail bounces back with a "I don't want pm's " message.

Bit formal, am I in trouble?

Set to 2x as I hadn't made pit stops compulsory. Some may be able to make it through the distance without changing tyres but they sure as hell will need to stop for fuel.

OK..cheers Tony.

The tyre wear poll has concluded with the following result

Tyre wear ON - 10 votes

Tyre wear OFF - 4 votes

Thanks to all who took the time to vote.

Consequently the race announcements have now been changed to suit.

Down to 1:54.229 in the 935 (that wont last for too  many laps );D  Ive put my setup online if anyone want to give it a try.

Edit: And don't forget to set you throttle and break sensitivity to zero  in your controller settings in game if you haven't already (it helps a lot).

                                                                  Cheers Ade

I have had a little look at the wear rates for the 935, they're ridiculous tbh almost 3 times as bad as the beemer! :o,
Car is almost a dead duck.

I haven't tested these cars yet, nor do I know the track. My afternoon meeting just canceled so I can make this race if I download everything and practice a bit. Has anybody tested the wear on the Porsche 934 tires?

I can't recall tyre wear being out of the ordinary on the 934 when I've driven it, though keeping it on the track was another matter.

I wonder if the Alpine will manage to make the full race without piting.  :shifty:

Ade? (or anyone) Can I get a link to the rFactor repair download...............I have a cunning plan :shifty:

Its not up as a fix Tony  :( they've  just  added in  the main download.
http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=DRM-MOD

 :(  Hope you all had a good race, I hope I can try these cars again, such a blast, at least I got a pb!
catch you all again. ;)

So was the tire wear for the 935 sorted? If so, I'd love to give that one a try.
My lack of preperation bit me in the end. I haven't done a pit stop in GTL in 2+ years. That is what bit me tonight. I'm so used to the pit stop sequence and methods of P&G I assumed they would be the same. Turns out they are quite different.
- No need to call for pit in GTL?
- no ability to preset strategy
- pit speed limit, but no limiter? I got a stop/go penalty. In P&G, it is either full boogie or automatic limiter
- I thought I set autopit = 0, but still, the game took over upon entering pit
- by default, fuel added is 0. (I assumed like P&G, it would be full tank). This is what ultimately got me in the end. I had no idea I didn't get fuel till I ran out.

My own fault for not practicing. At least I had good pace.

Unlucky Mike...you were racing away with that one.
A very tough race, that felt like our 1977 P&G Le Mans enduro :)
Good championship defending start to the season for me though...GTL Rocks!!!!

c u next time

Oh man do you have a load to learn. I'll dig out an old post that spells it all out.

Hello to all,
This evening I wanted to run with you but I did not see server.  :no: :no:
 I do not understand perche' I do not succeed to see your server.  :cursing: :cursing:
Thanks to all.

 :notworthy: :notworthy:

We were there  :) and the only ones running Mugello I think. Next time look for the track first then you will find us, I hope.

cico71 have you set your game to professional ?
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii60/oilyway/GTL2010-02-0223-12-00-93.jpg) 

You should be able to see 30+ servers on line.


                                                  Good luck, cheers Ade

Firstly you must set all these things up in your player file

The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car

You can not call for a pit stop. The pit chief will appear somewhere on the pit lane as soon as you pass the traffic lights at the pit lane entrance. You should have activated the pit speed limiter before the lights. You risk a pit lane speeding penalty of a stop/go if you are too fast at the lights. Assign a key or button to operate your limiter.

No ability to preset strategy.

After the pit lane entry lights stay on the limiter and approach your pit guy. Slow to a crawl as you get near him. If the gods are with you the pit board will show. If it doesn't you have to reverse back then approach your pit guy again. Eventually you will either quit out of frustration or the board will appear.

The pit board shows what needs changing, repairing etc. Use the up/down arrows to change items and the left/right arrows to change options. This is easy enough to rehearse offline. Just set up a race and keep pitting till you get it right.
One final thing about pitting is the refuelling.

The fuel shown on your pit board is the amount of fuel currently in your car. Now repeat that last bit until it's memorised. You can then add fuel by pressing the right arrow.

Finally, and this gets loads of folk, before leaving your pit stall, you MUST turn your limiter on again. Proceed on the limiter to the exit lights and once passed them turn the limiter off and go on to a famous victory.

Hope this helps. Ask away if your still puzzled by anything OK?

What happened to you?

Thanks for the detailed explanation Tony. I'll be sure to practice next time. I hate it when I do stupid things which cost me a victory.
I obviously need to practice starts with these cars. I'm not used to having the power of god under my right foot.

Ella had her jabs yesterday and has been a little off colour since, started screaming just as I passed start line, not to worry, I had hardly practiced as it was.

That was sweaty work.

Nearly didn't finish this one. With about five laps to go I suffered a huge hang. You know the sort - car stops dead in the middle of the track, revving its scallops off. Usually recovers with the car heading straight for a wall. But no, this time it carried on from where it stopped, albeit having cost me 15 seconds. However, there was now major graphics corruption, including the whole start/finish area past the pits appearing to have been turfed over. Very difficult to see where the track was at times and other cars were leaving long, swirling trails of white and blue, which is why I was all over the place when you were trying to pass me Paulo. Sorry about that.

Despite having more dental treatment again today, no painkillers were required this time so I can't blame the hallucinatory experience on them!  :D Good race all, hats off to all those nutters who took the 935.

Yes I saw that moment on the straight Phil, I put it down to turbo lag at the time :)

Bit of a dull race for me really. Somehow I'd convinced myself that the 6+ secs a lap difference between the turbos and the non turbo CSL would be overcome by a razor sharp strategy and others stopping for regular plays in the gravel. When I found myself in 5th spot at T2 I thought it might just happen :wetfish:

The non turbo CSL is a great car to drive, but unfortunately just doesn't stand a chance in this company. Looks like I'm going to have to tame one of the monsters  :o

Congrats to pody and well done to the finishers in what must have been an exhausting race. Dunno how Mike was able to jump in a car he'd never driven on at an unfamiliar track and be that fast.  :notworthy:

I have joined server with the Alpine.  :eek:
As the majority guys were on BMWs and just one or two in 935, I jumped into the 935 also.
It is a fine nice power with good handle car.....for 5 laps only.  :whistling:
That was exactly the laps I was in the lead before my tires melted. Car was spining wheels exiting
every damn corner (maybe too much throtle sensitivity for sure?) anyway, couldn't handle it
after a 5 laps stint. That's why I have pitted 2 times for tires and a last time for a splash & dash
of 3 laps fuel. In between, albeit few people racing I had company for some laps, chasing or being
chased. Nice first official race tho and hats off to ADE and how he managed to spare his tires.

Congrats to podium  and to all finishers.

Phil you were driving quite well by then, I just thought you were strugling with your tires.  :)

Cheers

So it's just the download at the bottom of the page?

That was fun but hard work.  :eek:  :sweatdrop:  My personal highlights were:-  8)

New PB in qualifying - been using 1 flying lap qualifying in another league so with 3 laps of fuel I went for it.  :jumpjoy:

Fastest racing lap beat my previous PB.

I finished, albeit, last on the track 4 laps behind the winner.

Never had a spin, majority of offs were minor caused by losing too much momentum lifting a moving off line to be overtaken - only 2 or 3 of them.

Like goldtop, I guess must try and tame the CSL Turbo for the next race with this car choice.

Bill

Grats to podium!  Totally forgot this race evening... Ah well, maybe next time. I like this track despite my brain hiccup, hopefully we race it some other time this season.

Yes Tony..V_1.0.7z

Edit.....Looks like you need V1.0 as well, I must have had V1.0 installed already and didn't notice.

So what's the deal with the 935 fix? Does it fix the tire wear rates to reasonable levels? Is it for GTR2 or rFactor? How many stops did you make last race Ade? I'd like to drive the 935, but not if I have to stop twice.

All good questions Mike.

I am going to study the rFactor fix tonight to gather any clues about what to change. I will be requiring volunteers to test my results. Watch this space.

Think that there the same file just different names

Only did one stop halfway and that took the tyre wear up to 40+ I think i ended the race with 45 wear at the back not much lower at the front, will have to have a look at my  times and see how much  i lost when the rubber had gone.

 

Ade, (or any other willing volenteers) care to try this out for me?

Just put these two files into your Porsche 935 folder. Allow to overwrite existing files. It's ok, one of the files is a backup of the original so no permanent harm.

Once installed can you see what the tyre wear is like for the Porsche 935 please?

http://www.humyo.com/9349539/

Will do.

Right Tony... before the change F/L 2.0.... F/R 1.8     R/L 2.5  .... R/R 2.3
                 
                   After the change   F/L 0.6 ... F/R 0.5     R/L  0.4 ...  R/R 0.4

That's just on one fast out lap...looks like that may be a bit low? (seeing how it uses half the fuel of the BMW turbo)  and the wear is the wrong way round front to rear.

If you can get it to  half the original wear it should be about right (but what do i know) :wacko:

Ill take it for a longer run in a race with the BMW turbo when i have time.

May of been me but it did feel like  it had a  bit less grip? ( just a little bit).

                                                                 Cheers Ade   

                                                   

All useful feedback, thanks.

Wonder if you could now try this'n please?

Just one file as you still have the backup

http://www.humyo.com/9349539/PORSCHE_935.TYR

Same fast outlap       F/L ... 1.2      F/R ... 1.1          R/L ... 1.7      R/R ... 1.8

I'm quite happy with that

How about you?