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Practice 1: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (40 mins) note: no warmup!

Cars allowed:  Ford Mustang NTK Gr5, Ford Falcon Sprint, Ferrari 250 Berlinetta, Ford Mustang BSCC Gr2 (not BSCC Gr5)

Weather: Dry
Track: UKGTR Monza   (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) as part of the UKGTR Track Pack v1.2)
Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING

Minimum Pit-stops: None required.

Server: UKPnG2.1 S2 Classic
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

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Err, due to a slight miss calculation :-[... this event will also be a "Classic Cup" event like Goodwood was.

Then the two series (the other being "The Shot Glass Challenge") will alternate weeks. I promise ;D

Sorry about that & please do send any complaints to Tony ;)

Just done a quick run and got a 2.19 in the Falcon sprint.....let the times tumble!

Should we use UKGTR version of this track? In the stang, I could cut huge chunks outta the track by accident :angel:

250 fanboy here so hoefully its on the pace.

Good point about track cutting Ian, although I did drive the track as I would normally with that version.

The 250 is great fun here :) Mid 18's in that and same in GR2 stang so far, with more to come from stang I think. The GR5 Stang is almost a second faster than those after just five laps. Mind you the server was "wonky" tonight so maybe its a better match?

That'll be mine then.  ;D

Managed a 2:20.2xx in the Berlinetta last night but don't expect to do too well here as a fast lap seems to be down to how much curb you can crash over at the three chicanes.  An I'm really bad at that.

Shame we can't give these beasts their proper home on the 60s version of the track.

We could Clive - the 67 version is out there  :)

It has some graphical glitches though unfortunatly  :(


For me this'll be either the Falcon or the 250 as I adore both of them - hope the Fezza is up there time wise as I only recently had a long race at Monza in my Mann Falcon so want a change...

Yup, now corrected on announcement post

Track: UKGTR Monza   (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) as part of the UKGTR Track Pack v1.2)

Can I have the idiot's version of this now please Chris.
The UKGTR Track Pack only wants to bugger about with the GTR2 install.  How do I get it to look at PnG?

Ta

Clive

This is something that anyone who races UKGTR2 will likely experience (including me).
What I tried was:

1) Select the option to "uninstall the track pack" from c:\GTR2
2) Run the installer again & select c:\png

Ta da.

But I will mention it to Dave, or you can if you like?

Thanks Chris, will give that a try.

Also, how will the track appear on the server?  I looked after you said that it had been changed to UKGTR Monza but it still said Monza 2003.  No mention of UKGTR.

2:18's  ???
I'm not even hitting a 2:20 yet in the Falcon or Stang NTK!
So I think you'll be competitive in the Fezza :laugh:

2:20 in the F250 Berlinetta for me. Have only done a handful of laps though as it feels like forever driving around the GP in these old cars  :P Thought the stangs would monster it down the straights?,..not tried them yet. Be almost rude to use a US job in front of the Tifosi  ;)

So I can have the track pack on one or the other but not both?

Don’t seem to be able to reinstall it on GTR2 without removing it from PnG.

That is how it seemed when I tried. We wont be using the "track pack" again this season, so you can pop it back ready to GTR2 after this race if you want. Luckily there should only be about six/seven of us affected by this (people who race UKGTR2 & UKPnG) judging by Goodwood.

As I said, I'd appreciate you helping me out by PM'ing Dave about it. He may or may not choose to alter the track pack to make it easier for future use :-\. Let me know how you get on? :)

Finally managed to spot the marker boards going into the second chicane (well ok four laps out of five) and have managed an 18.5 in the MustangNxx (Can't remember the other initials)

Which track is running on the server?  It doesn't say it's the UKGTR version.  ???

the correct UKGTR version now

2:21 (so far) in the 250 on 40 mins fuel
2:19 in the Falcon
2:20ish in the NTK 'Stang - it's faster than that but has brakes made out of recycled bottletops and I keep over shooting the chicanes  ::)
Havn't tried the Gp2 'Stang yet


Not looking forward to installing the track going by Clives troubles  :ninja:

It's quite painless.  It's just that you don't appear to be able to install the track pack on both GTR2 and PnG.

If you don't race with UKGTR then you have no problem.  When it wants to install on GTR2 just redirect it to your PnG install.

Thimple!  tch tch

The pack is an ancient one, done by Mr Shark himself before I started doing NSIS-based installers.

For the server we have a 'clever' hack which allows tracks to be shared between both installs, but it's not suitable for end-user use (you need Windows PowerShell installed and there are some restrictions on what drives things can be on).

The only solution at present is to install it to one at a time.

You can also manually copy the UKGTR_* directories between the GameData\Locations folders if you want (and if you know what you're doing!).

I'm just about certain that the server was running Monza GP 2003.

It is now running UKGTR Monza GP 2004.

Which track are we really going to use?  And is there any difference?  I'm in GPL land tonight so can't find out until later.

I've now released a new track pack (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#post_trackpack) which can be installed in two places at once.

Note that you can only uninstall the most recent from the Control Panel, but you can uninstall any installation by directly running the uninstaller in the appropriate directory (i.e. your GTR2 or P&G directory). It's not a perfect solution but it's better than it was.

EDIT: if Windows had properly working symlinks like a real operating system we wouldn't be having this problem. ::)

Thanks Dave.  This new SROU installer works fine giving the choice of deleting GTR2 and browing to select the applicable directory.  :thumbup1:

Bill

Thanks Dave.

UKGTR track pack on GTR2 and PnG

The current Monza track is a hell of a lot fussier about corner cutting at the second chicane than the previous one was.

Perhaps even over zealous?

I'm sure I've still had one wheel on the curb when it has objected.  ;D 

Does it check front and rear wheels separately?  ie Do you have to have at least one front wheel still on the track and one rear?  Coming out of the last chicane I'm a bit sideways and whilst the right rear is still on the track the front right may have transgressed a tad.  ;D 

I haven't tested it yet, but I'd hope it follows the long standing rule of at least 2 wheels on at all times.

My understanding is if there is green concrete outside the kerbs it's legitimate to use it for 2 wheels or all four at places like Hockenhiem on exit from the first chicane.

Bill

Don't worry. If Oily's racing he'll get enough S/G's for all of us  :D

How does PnG tell you that a SnG is needed?

I guess that in GTR2 they yell at you on the radio?

hmm, don't know. Feel free to give it a test and let us know :-\

im not sure using the over-zealour srouk version is a good idea with these more wayward classic beasts. Any close or hard racing around the chicanes often results in someone getting out of shape or taking avoiding action and these cars are far more fun oversteering through some of the turns anyway. It would ruin many peoples races for no good reason. Cant we just apply our normal 'gentlemens' attitude and just say dont deliberately cut and if seen doing so in race or qually can be reported for it and slapped. Otherwise i can see it ending in tears and people quitting the race early with a S&G. Just my take on it. :angel:

LOL

Never mind about out of shape, with the brakes I have on the Mustang I can see a few getting a punt up the bunty on the way into the chicane. 

Not just from me you understand.  ;D

I respectfully disagree. Go slower, avoid s & g's. Simples :) The unfettered version is just too vague for me. With that you will get people doing different things, all within the rules, which seems unfair to me. Go with the worse of two evils?

Whichever version of track we choose, surely it makes sense to drive accordingly and not have to have a post mortem on who raced fairly or otherwise. Personally for these events, I favour the less restricted version but I'm happy to go with either.

Has the server fallen over?  :(

Its off for the GTL race.

Should be back now

I just did some testing at Monza and the corner marshals are spot on with there cut monitoring. Much improved over the stock version.
The Gr5 NKT is fast, but I won't be driving it unless Ian or Ade force my hand.

After a bit more testing, I would argue that the GR5 Stang is an unnecessary option. The others are very well balanced for me, and a hoot to drive, but that GR5 stang is over a second faster. If you want to drive a Stang then use the GR2 one.

I'm guessing I'm not the only one having Braking 'issues' with it though - For less alien drivers I suspect it'll be as much a detriment as an advantage  ;)

Am still slowly getting the Fezza's times down as I'm determined to drive her  :angel:
Think I'm now into the 2:20's on full fuel  ;D

Nope.  :P

GR 5 for me thanks.  Might keep you in sight then.

Won't matter anyway if I get another screen freeze!  >:(

Grp 5 for me too - will still be last I expect.  ::)

Bill

Maybe  ;) The thing is, if someone on the same pace as me, you, whoever chooses the GR5 Stang and I/we are in the others then we will not see them. It just doesn't fit here, especially as the others are so closely matched.

As far as I understand it, these races have a free choice and no-one bears responsibility to manufacture a closer race.  

Well I'll be taking the Falcon for this as I think it's a great car to drive. Yes folks you heard it right, GT in a tank :tank:

I'm sure I'll regret it ::)

Me too, brilliant fun around here. I'll be in the horrible purple & yellow one  :eek:

I like the purple & yellow.

Your secret is safe with us Mike.  ::)

Ian and Madd were on the server last night, in a selection of old bangers, and were trading times in the 2:16s  :o  so my 2:18.3 with the Gr5 Mustang shouldn't cause too much of a stir.  ::)

Sadly I'll jump even this one... Hope that some VDA mates will join this race, but I'm not sure it will happen.
Good luck to all drivers for this evening, hope to see you soon on the track!
Bye bye :)

No racing for me either tonight chaps. Family matters have priority. Have fun all and good luck everyone.

Cheers, Seniordan.

I might miss this one aswell, I get an error .exe message when try to run P&G.  >:(

Edit: I uninstalled UKSROU track pack and it runs again. What should I do?

I'd try installing the track pack to your GTR2 file and then just copying the UKGTR Monza track from the GTR2 Locations folder to the PnG Locations folder.

Thanks GT, it worked fine.  ;)

Your a hero Tudor.  :clap:

You will also be pleased to hear that I've done some practice starts with the AI and my Mustang is fairly flying off the line.

I've also discovered that the braking distance for the first chicane on full tanks and cold tyres could be expressed in light-years.

We may need a pace car whilst they sweep up all the headlight and taillight glass.  ::)

How many cuts before the stewards throw you out? I think I remember 2 is ok and the 3rd your booted. Is that right?

Falcons fly, Mustangs gallop ;D


You get 2 warnings Mike, if you cut again you receive a stop/go and if you fail to serve this within 3 (I think) laps you get the boot.

Edit: oh and I think for subsequent cuts you will receive another stop/go without any further warning :o not that I have any experience of this you understand :angel:

At the start of a race, the lights go out and everyone sets off as quickly as they can. What's so difficult about this ???

Once again I'm faced with a stationary car right in front of me with nowhere to go ::)

Wasn't me! wasn't honest!!!!

That should have been a lot easier than it was thanks to my own mistakes and what I can only call a monster screen pause.

Well done Paulo and Geoffers.  Thought I had got it back there Geoffers.   ;D

First I couldn't find the right blade of grass to apply the brakes going in to Parabolica, which let Paulo through but the Gr5 power recovered that for me.  Then the, just when I though I had found the groove the screen stopped moving for about a second in the middle of the last chicane.  In the gravel and Paulo went past for keeps. 

I might have recovered again were it not for the attentions of Geoffers who managed to nip past into Parabolica on the last lap after I had made a complete horlicks of the last chicane.

Thought I had got my nose in front at the line but sadly not.

Great fun.

Grats podium.

What was Legzy doing in the pits?

Well that was as dull and boring as i expected it to be for me. Am sure the fast guys at the very front had a blast but for almost everyone else it was more like an exercise in brake management rather than racing. I dont think i had a single on track battle with anyone other than trying to maintain distance forward and aft. Whenever a Falcon was able to close, it just breezed past me down the straights and the poor little fezzas were totally outclassed unless alien driven.

Big apology to Legzy who was the unfortunate victim of my only spin of the race on lap 13?. Got a big tank slapper in parabolica and was just a passenger. Sorry mate. :-[

Also seemed to have contact with Lazlow early on but i think that was just his alien style flick braking into lesmos? I only had a contact sound as i tried to avoid your perpendicular rear end. Sorry if it was me, wasnt sure hence letting you back past later. :-\

Had a good start and spent all my race in 9th until just before i crashed out with Legzy. Didnt mind retiring as wasnt enjoying it at all. :(

Oh well, onto IROC at Barber next  8)

Brilliant pace tonight Ian. You must have eaten your wheaties this morning. I couldn't touch that time in quali.

At the line for the race, I think you got a bit jumpy and it looks like it cost you. That slight hesitation was all I needed. I too hesitated a bit on the entry to turn 1 and Madd almost capitalized. He was very close to overtaking me there. Somehow I managed to pull away a bit in the first few laps to build myself a nice 2 second cushion. I think it was lap 6 where I found myself up .2 on my fastest lap so decided this was the lap to push for fast lap. It ended up being a duesie at 2:16.9 at .5 better than my personal best.

I was pleased and feeling realaxed until Madd persistently gained on me over the next couple laps. I started to think I got my setup all wrong (strong early, weak late). This appears to be the case because in the insuing laps, Madd was laser focused on the back of my car and closed the gap to nothing. We ran nose to tail for 4 laps I think when we both dove as deep as possible into T1. I slid the back end a bit and it seems he purposely threw it away to avoid nailing me. This left him 3rd just behind Ian where we finished. Fantastic pace guys and great battle Madd. You had me on the ropes.

Great fun throughout the race. Close racing with Sandor in the first few laps until he fell off in the second chicane. Don't think there was any contact, but that distracted me so that I spun and nearly trashed the car blasting down the back straight (deja vu moment there). After that it was a battle with Bill, fell off near the end of the race but caught him again during the last lap, ending in a drag race out of Parabolica into a photo finish.

It was indeed a very good race up front all three of us separated by only 5 seconds all race, I just couldn't get past you Mike, although I was slightly quicker in the last sector it wasn't enough and when we broke late for t1 I knew I would have t-boned you so just locked the rears totally to spin it, unfortunately it meant Ian got past and then I got a stop go in the last lap (can't remember seeing any other warnings though) which meant  finishing just ahead of Ade (luckily).

Still a good race and good hard work, shame my pace from yesterday seemed to desert me.

No matter, roll on the next one  ;D

Well Clive, the race was boring untill our meeting.  ;)
Was a cool and awesome race for almost 20 minutes.
Unfortunately it ends when you had your screen issue, would be nice keep our duel untill the
checkered flag.
Nothing else important to report.  :yawn:
I kind of miss Tokens
Congrats to the podium and to Ade.
Hats off for the 250s boys, clearly the slower car on track.

Cheers

Same prob for me Goldy, Based on me being traditionally rubbish at Monza in any sim. I took the Gr5, was slower in
qual than the few practice laps I had managed earlier in the falcon... ah well.  Sets off "as fast as I can" the car
in front doesn't move.. at all. Started to go round to the left but realised others were coming past so made a half
stop half crash into the stationary car as the safest option. Tapped Sandor?? up the bum into a turn, sorry for that.
otherwise a clean race, went off once in parabol letting someone through, had some fun chasing and passing
a couple of people, almost caught Lazlow but he managed to just keep a gap. Umm, not the finest race we've ever
had but I rather enjoyed it. <shrug>

That's a real shame mate, as Monza was an old PnG suggestion of yours that I'd taken up (I'm not a fan of Monza at all)... So I'm extra disappointed you didn't enjoy much. :(
No worries about the spin mate, I know you did what you could to control it. Your car started going one way & so I went the other side for the gap & wham! Your car had gone the other way. It gave me a flat & knackered my suspension & sent me wide onto the gravel & as I limped back onto the track tit gave me a stop/go for good measure (that's what I was doing in the pits twice Clive ;)). Limped on to the end though.

Was decent enough race overall, if not lacking a little excitement :-\.

May I predict now that next week will be the exact opposite. Maximum excitement!!! IROC's at Barber. 8)

Got a good lap early in quali and then spent the rest of it getting "cut" warnings as I strived for that little extra. That put me in a defencive mood for the start of race and never really got on a par with the excellent driving of Matt and Mike. Never got a single cut" warning mind  :) Congrats to all that finished as I rarely do at Monza.

I didn't think the car balance was quite right tonight but Legzy/Tony get it right so often that I'm glad to see they are human. I'm also very well aware how hard it is too match PnG cars so I'm delighted to see the "One Shot" series run concurrently with this one. It should provide a great balance week in, week out :) (Can you tell I'm quite excited by next weeks event)

Monza is never a great track for praccy as its a pretty dull place to lap on your own. I just dont think the car choices worked that well here unfortunately. Maybe a single spec race or other car choices that could safely race side by side into the heavy braking zones would have worked better. This one looked more like one of the processional F1 races of a couple of seasons back with people maintaining same gaps between cars for long spells. Am sure some enjoyed it, i didnt. You sure i suggested it for P&G? Not one of my favourite tracks by a long chalk, never has been.

Really enjoyed the Falcon around Monza, it has enough power to make the track interesting.

I did spend most of the race on my own, but Clive & PR were always in sight ahead & I spent the whole race trying to close the gap. Mid-race they got into a bit of a scrap & I got very close, even managed to out brake Clive into the Parabolica once but got a bit squirrelly on the exit & he retook the position & pulled away again.  ::)

Don't know if it was my setup but the Mustangs were faster on the straight & accelerated better out of the chicanes, Falcon was better on the brakes though. Anyhow PR got away & Clive seemed to be getting slower towards the end of the race & with one lap left I was within a second. It was half a second by the Ascari chicane & as Clive said he made a mess of the exit & I got alongside down to the Parabolica. Got in front on the brakes & tried hard not to get it too sideways on the exit, the Mustang gained relentlessly on the S/F straight but I held on to 6th by .007s!  :o

Congrats to Mike, Ginsters & Madd.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Also, good to see 4 Kerbies in the first 6  ;D. Running away with the teams championship at the moment!

I watched the replay, and the finishing order is wrong. For some reason as I cross the line it promotes me to 8th
and demotes Lazlow to 9th, but he was definately a couple of seconds in front as we finished.

Made a mess of the start but caught up with the rear of the pack at T1.  Hung on for a couple of laps before they drew away.  Then had a few laps battle with Tony, then JPV right to the end.  He was faster than me but was taking more kerb at the chicanes and had a few flips off the kerb.  I was please with my drive, no cut warnings but disappointed at the finish.  JPV timed his attack to perfection beating me by just 0.01 sec at the line.  I came out of the last turn in the lead and watched him slowly catch me then creep up beside me - I was virtually standing on the accelerator in desperation.

Bill

Didn't manage quite the performance I'd hoped for - had forgotten to back up the setup files I'd created for the Fezza before upgrading the pc.
As a result my USB pen holding all my saved data/setups didn't have any setups for the Fez here  ::)

Made a couple of random guesses to the setup and tried to tweek it into something barely useable in the remaining 15 mins of practice...
This didn't work very well as even on low fuel I was nearly 2 seconds of the pace of the setups I'd created previously, looking at the qualifying times I doubt that would have made a difference though as the car infront of me on the grid was a low 2:20  :(

Had some good battles in the race proper. Legzy (I think it was) had some trouble passing me in the NTK Mustang - he'd pass me on power towards the end of the straights only for me to outbrake him and pull back in front for several laps in procession ;D
Then it went quiet as everyone pulled away/dropped back apart from Alex, who then started to gain on me from about the half way point before I put the bit between my teeth and sped up again  :)

Happy with my position given the disadvantage of the car I guess  :)

I find the gap graph that the Autosim Analyser produces a bit confusing because it is all done with respect to the leader and although I have never needed to know, it doesn't show what the leader is up to either.

So here is the Numptygraph.  I ignored everything that is more than 160sec behind the average winning lap, so Legzy's dates with the pit babes has been lost.  ;D

(http://www.planet-venom.co.uk/PnG/MonzaP2C.gif)

I often thought I had a split personality!  ??? ::) :'(     ;D :thumbup1: :clap: :jumpjoy: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Bill

First race for me this season after some technical issues last week and had a fun time.

Had a reasonable start and gained a few places but was too slow and lost them already after a few corners. Got into a nice little fight with jpv but for a few laps until I lost control.


Indeed there was no contact at all. Braked too late and I couldn't control the car anymore. 

After that had another 2 or 3 errors and suddenly I get a s/g penalty and 5 secs later a black flag :-( 
Must have missed the other warnings because I was trying to control the car.  So out of the race after 8 laps ...

Noticed that I still have to practice a lot with the new steer to feel a bit more confident so see you all next week for some praccy laps on thursday ;D



 

Must have been your spare car Bill.