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Practice 1:	20:00	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:10	(20 mins)
Race:	20:30	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: Any GTC or GT3 from the v2.12.0.0 pack (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#post_physics)).
Weather: dry.
Track: Hockenheim National.
Race Start Time: 14:00.
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR U12LE
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(7) The server will be set to 26 slots, not 28.

Hockenheim national! Its not the longest track in world! Going to be dizzy after 30mins :D

Ok, nevermind i guess i was thinking of the even shorter version. Havent worked out what car to go with yet tho probably be a GTC. I take it those records above are for the full circuit? Did some laps in the 997Cup as a base time but cant remeber what it was, a 27 something maybe?

No, they should be for the selected circuit layout.

Team KC is having a punt at GT3 this time round. Come and have a go if anybody thinks they are ard enough ;)

Z4 for me - I heard it's been toned down, so I have all the excuse I need. ;)

It wasn't much slower than the GT2s on Sunday - I would probably do better in the Z4 in UE this season than in any of the GT2 cars if it was allowed, given that I do not crash it often.  :D

Just had a go with the new cars this afternoon. They are very varied - some are great in the bends but slower on the straights, others steam along on the straights but are much trickier to get right in the corners. I can see this meaning a nice range of results with the different tracks suiting one car above another.

As for the track, well i quite enjoy driving here, it is tough to hook up a good lap. Will need to do some more testing and thinking prior to the race to make sure i pick the right car for me.

Be just like GTC last season then. I'll just keep an eye out for when you need to lap me  :'(

As theres no times yet for GTC's, managed to get in the 27's in the porka. Might be able to get in the 26's though ths was offline.

Had an interesting test in the GT3's earlier and i am sure the top GT3 drivers will be competitive against the slower GTC's, even over a single lap. Going to be a very good race i think, so many different strategies and strength's and weaknesses to each car that i don't think any one stands out as having an advantage. After all looking ahead to future tracks a car that is a good choice here will not be so strong at some of the other tracks.

Sorry Dave, but whats happening with the weather? (and I don't mean whats it like up north ;))

1:28's for me with full race fuel at present, but only did about 20mins praccy. Hope i can make this one but not sure yet.

I'm going to fix it at dry, at least for this race. Frankly I haven't got the energy to sort out anything and whatever I do will get complaints so I'm going to do the simplest possible thing.

Omg Dave you fell for the whiners,dont do that Boss ???,be there anyway ;D ;D

Jan

I think dynamic weather from S11 is the best weather we had so far. So what if there were many rainy races - it was winter. Now there'll be spring and it will be rainy all over again.  :blink:  Erm, ok... :D
Would like it to stay like it was, with some exceptions with fixed weather, like:
- Dubai = always dry
- Spa = always a drizzle
- Valencia = always dry

etc.

Something for all. :)

 :D

Spa = Micro climate, just like Nurb.

Should be very changable. (hint, hint ;D)

Definately good to have the first race of the season as dry.

Messy start to the season. ::)

Things can only get better for me from here. ;D

Good luck in the race all.

I thought I'd have a bash with the Spyker this season, and pre-race practice suggested I wasn't too far off the pace.

But come qualifying I seemed to have lost a couple of seconds of pace compared to everyone else, and rather than tooling round at the back getting in the way of the faster GT3s (with a headache, I might add) I decided to give up my place to Herr Burtmacher who was waiting hopefully in the lobby.

Think I will step down from all GTR2 for this season; I seem to have lost my mojo at the moment. :-\

Damn, that was a rubbish start to S12 for me!

Qualified ok, and was running alright in the race, but after about 15 laps my left knee got reeally sore (and remains so now) - which made it difficult to brake that well, caused me to spin a few times.

Got hit once being lapped, and managed to incure 2 stop/go penalties, was hoping to trouble the podium (and it was looking likely near the start) and ended up dead last!

Oh well, onwards and upwards...see if i can work out why my knee hurts so much though!

Sorry to David :-X I thought after running slightly wide you were letting me through, clearly not.

The rest of the race will be in a series reports if I can be bothered to look at replay. Not bothering with this series any more seems a better option at the mo.

No worries, I'd lost any chance of anything by then so it didn't cost me anything really! :D

In as far as I always enjoy a Enduro when I get to race people in bith halves, (usually I lose at least 30 secs to
everyone elses magic fast stops) Top marks to NSFast for hustling the Viper round so well, got in a few peoples
way while racing for position, those Porches stop and turn in a hell of a lot better than the big heavy front engined VIpe
Mostly a good clean race, only contact was minor and was an attack from behind, 5.6 secs repair as I would have taken
that long to cancel it.

Enjoyed our little battle of the Vipers in the first half. Not sure why I gained so much time at the pitstop. Although, I cut it a bit tight with the fuel and had to back off in the second half. 1L left at the end  :o

From what I can see the GT3's are shapping up nicely this season. If only the Viper wasn't so thirsty!  ;)

Congrats to the podiums.

  Looks like warping problems remains! Annoying to say the least as
  i had tested out this afternoon in practise with H@l9000 and GT.

  Sorry to everybody for any trouble this has caused.

  see you next race all being well. Bob.

Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20100221%20U12LE/index.html)

Its a shame about your connections problems tonight Bob. I was too far behind to notice.  :D You had great pace.

Think that was me Matt :-[ I thought you'd made a mistake going into the corner and I tried to take advantage, but made a bit of a mess of it. Sorry for that :( I then lifted half expecting you to spin and was caught by Lazlow which spun me off. Thanks for waiting Lazlow; it was as at least as much my doing as yours really and a consequence of my incident with Matt.

I had someone spin in front of me at Mercedes (might have been David) and did the classic "aim for them and you'll miss" but hit him side on which also spun me off. Hope it didn't cause too much damage.

Bob was having major warping problems again which caused me a few heart stopping moments. He kept appearing/disappearing in front and behind me at one stage to the extent that I gave up worrying about contact; if it happened it happened ::) API was not so lucky as he was launched into orbit right in front of me :o

One of the most tiring races I can recall and one of those where I had to keep remembering to breathe. Had to stop for a splash with a couple to go, so I totally lost track of where I eventually finished. I remember letting through at least two cars thinking they were lapping when actually it was for position ::) Definitely one to forget.

Congrats to podies and finishers.

Suprised myself in quali... breaking into the 25s and gettings 3rd  :D ..... and then it was downhill from there  :laugh:

Started with a full tank hoping for a long first stint. This only works if you don't keep falling off the track, but I did! Led the race for a fews laps because everyone had pitted but when I came out I was back to 6th  :-\ I had made up some lost ground since little fuel was needed and was hoping for a duel with Jose (looked quite damaged) but I hit the lagging vertigo  :-X on the LH hairpin...

Grats to Jayblue and gr with Jose, TT, Berger and Spanner  :) Was a fun race and it felt like Carrera Cup with all the 911s! Except that lone Z4  ::)  ;)

Thanks to all GTC guys while lapping...... very polite! So much so I felt guilty sometimes lol.... I think this track is ideal for slow GT cars but multi-class with slow GT cars makes for an interestng experience  8)

I was pretty happy with my quali lap as the traffic was crazy, particularly at the start of the session. I was able to squeeze a few more tenths out but i had to play it safe and get a good time in after i blew a couple of runs trying too hard!

For the race i started well and me and Berger starting getting away well, then i made a rookie mistake and span out on the brakes after the long back straight. I dropped behind Berger, TT, Andy and Jose. My pace fell away for a while, i lost confidence in the car. Some opportunist driving saw me get by Jose and Andy in one move as they battled and once that happened i started to pull away and catch TT. Berger was bumped off by a backmarker and lost a lot of time, leaving TT in the lead. I knew the BMW would need fuel so i took my time to try a pass. A few times i got alongside but TT defended well and i wanted to keep it very clean and maintain the gap to Spanner and Berger. After quite a while i managed to get past with a switchback at the end of the straight. Great racing TT  8)

I pitted for tyres only on lap 29, i was fuel saving throughout the race. Afer emerging with a six second lead over Berger i put the hammer down and managed to hold the lead to the flag. The Porsche was a tricky race car and it seemed to constantly try to catch me out, maybe it was my setup! Congrats to Berger and TT on podiums.

I know in the GT3 class the result will the subject of some debate so i will only say i know Bob tested his connection earlier in the day with some others on the server and that during quali it was fine. I followed him for several laps at the end of the race and i saw some bad warping, but then his car was also ok for several laps too and his ping seemed fine  ???

I also know Bob drives without his game chat turned off as it distracts him, although i think from now on he will drive with it on to avoid any issues in the future. This being the case i know he had no idea about the issues he was causing for everyone else  :(

AH yes. I went in a bit deeper/braked a bit later, wasn't really a mistake, just incompetance  ;D
I managed to correct the back end ok, and thought nothing more of it, as much my fault for not being consistent.
but having watched the replay I saw the knock on effect, I wondered why you both dropped back so much.
Still bemused by how I always seem to lose big chunks in stops, Usually I make the excuse that the Viper needs more
fuel and eats tyres more, but Nsfast was in an indentical car, and gained around 30 secs on the stop
I was running hards all round, The front was still going orange occasionally, and though the rear wear was a bit less
I don't believe I could have got away with one set of rears for the race. I always overdo the fuel, so I must lose
some time there, but only a few seconds worth. I used to lose more time, but now I do a pit request, which seems
to get them out and more ready. Now I preset the stop, glance at the board in case it has big repair time I don't want
and hit return. This stop was 55 secs.
I also saw Bob leaping back and forth from behind me to in front, I just drove to one side so as not to be on the same line.

Q.2....R.2

i get no good lap in quali, i always make mistakes, think the car is difficulty to drive with low fuel, more then 1 sec. behind me PB i was, not good.

start was ok and i did save my 2nd place, after any laps jayblue was perhaps 2 sec. in front, but then he did spin and i was in lead, i did quick get the lead bigger and any laps later i was 10 sec. in front of truetom and 12 in front of jayblue. In this time i was nearly sure i can win this race, because car was very stabile and my speed was good too with little fuelsave for not do fuel take in pitstop.
but then i did overtake a lapping car, then come little straight and in end of straight he hit me from behind in doing brake and i come in sand (gravel) and car nearly not come out of sand and i loose 25/26 sec., then i was 6th i think and 14 sec. behind the leader(s), not happy i was.
i was happy that jayblue was behind the leader and i come closer again, i was 10 sec. behind leaders and 4th place, but then i was behind spanner and i loose time behind him, i am not a great overtaker and his car did sometimes lag? (standing short and then jump perhaps 20-50m in front again) not often this happens but i always get nearly a hard attacke if his car was suddentyl in front of me.
so i did change strategy, i did a earlier pitstop for not loose time and perhaps after pitstop i can do any quick laps and overtake any cars in pit.
after the other drivers did pit, i was 3rd, around 5 sec. behind jayblue, but i was not able to catch him, think we was in nearly same speed. But when the stint get longer and longer it seems that he was little faster, perhaps i had more bad tyres because my early pitstop, in end of stint my car was very hard to drive, more hard then in end of 1st stint, so i am nearly sure that this car do not like low fuel.
i did end my race with 11 sec. behind jayblue in 2nd place. i did a good race and i had a good race speed too.
the lapping cars did again a great job, it helped me a lot if the GT3 cars did flash the lights, always save overtakes then possible.  congrats to class winners and podiums!

After a very poor race at Enna in the F430, I decided on a whim to try the Mosler and had a pretty good race in it.

Qualified a ok-ish 12th but most of qualifying was trying to set the car up for the race. Got something that didn't seem to melt the tyres but had to guess on the optimum fuel (incorrectly as it turned out)

Had a good start to the race and picked up a few places after an early incident at T1. Spent the early part of the race 'racing' SBG in his lower class Z3 - a true alien :) - but managed to get a ahead and build a cushion. From there I was by myself in 8th all the way until near the end when I noticed that the Mosler was a bit more juicy than I realised. I backed right off with 5 mins to go and Bob began to close fast. He overtook on the 2nd to last corner before I ran out of fuel and *just* coasted across the line to finish 9th. Could have been a lot worse  :)

Looking forward to driving the Mosler in the next race and well done to all the podiums.

Dave, is changeable weather going to be reinstated for the remainder of the season? That would get my vote.

Was a bit unsure before the event as i hadnt really driven the Porsche recently and when i have i'm not been gel'in with it or perhaps driving it how it should be driven. Was finding this track quite difficult with it struggling to turn in and to stay turned in rather than washing out e.g left-right before second split.
Was quite happy with my qually time being 4 tenths up a few times and not being able to finish it due to traffic. Qually was quite manic with everyone out at the same time and it seemed to get a bit rough at times even on the out lap.

With the usual soft-meds on it i was worrying about whether i could manage the softs as the fronts do get used round here a bit and the rears like to spin up out of the corners and with a decent qually position  i was going to go with 50:50 fuel then at last minute stuck 60L in for the start with the usual stop half way.

Come the race i was able to stick with Jose ahead but was slowly dropping off as the gap behind to Prof grew. But first Legzy threw it off on the curbs at turn 2 then it seemed most people were falling off somehow so was running 3rd at times! Fun running nose to tail with Jose and Purds at times but the traffic helped spread it out.

Was kinda glad you dropped back a bit Berger then pitted but didnt realise i was warping a bit, sorry. It seems to happen everyrace and i think only since i've stuck the new gigabit homeplugs in. One review i read did say they arnt quite so tolerant of noise so will stick the older ones back in in future. Though i am using a wall socket for these, before i had them in a 1m extension of the wall so cant beleive they are worse.

Was quite worried when you popped out of the pits Purdie as i was sure i couldnt hold you off but you then seemed to fall off at the next corner ??? But ended up with about 10secs up to TT and Jose but then Jose dropped back and was fighting with Purdie so i was slowly managing to gain on TT dropping it down to about 4-5secs while in 4th till the end.

Susprised to do so well but i realise it was a bit of a gift as 3 of 4 people should have been right up there ahead of me. 

I knew the track very well, and kept it on it for pretty much lot of the race, I thought 1:30s were decent for me, not driven the 430 GTC before. Had a stable setup, im more pleased I finished the race than anything, only thing that confused me was, im sure the lap counter on right top side of screen was showing like 20mins left of racing still?

I spun T2 after I came out of the pits.... school boy error!  :whistling:

I forgot to mention it, but yes I noticed the warping too. Can't remember when but it happened at the hairpin and I went straight on in panic of a flashing 911 in front, didn't have any effect on the end result though!

I'm glad you mentioned it so I can pencil in another excuse!   :laugh:

I’ve raced at Hock quite a lot because it’s used in GTR2, GTL & PnG… I remember really enjoying my very 1st race here (a GTL test of the DB4, also interestingly on the National circuit) but I think partly due to my dislike of T1, I’ve never enjoyed a race here since. Till Sunday that is…

I tried out eight different cars for this one, with at least ten laps in each & I still hadn’t made my mind up at 8pm. The Z4 was fastest for me (I didn’t try the 997 which looks very popular) but it's just got too much grip making it too easy & in the end I plumped for the Fezza that I ditched last time we raced these GTC’s (it’s just not as much fun as its GT2 big brother :laugh:).

Shocked myself in qually & blew my PB out the water by about 1+ secs to earn 5th. :o

Race started & I was comfortably waiting on the back of the leading train, while easing away from Spanner behind. Had a bit of a wobble going through the stadium twists & started mowing the grass. Looked behind & saw the delicate Prodigy shade of green coming past & thought I saw another car tucked in behind :-\ so waited… after Spanner, no one came past & I couldn’t hear anyone so half-rejoined cautiously just in case & bang! Sadly H@L was there & didn’t have enough space (fearing the kerb on the other side. While it didn’t affect me, H@L skidded off across the grass in my rear view so I pulled over to wait. As most of the field went past I panned round behind me & could see he was wedged in the wall & not moving. So decided to carry on & did a drive through to punish myself. As I said on PM, sorry H@L.

Rejoined dead last & by some 12-15 secs. Then I just drove out of my skin, managing to get myself hauled up to 7th spot at half way & I was literally going to jump in the pits when… two cars dead ahead came together, I managed to stop & go round them, but then Jay was right on me through the twists & carrying momentum, moved over so he could get straight through & unfortunately TT hit me from behind following closely to Jay. When I’d recovered the car from the resulting spin, I dived in the pits as planned but now had to sit for 1:44 while they sorted my suspension/aero damage. Frustrating. :(

Came back out in 20th (having lost more than a lap to everyone >:() & again drove superbly (if I do say so myself ;D), passing people, unlapping myself & making no errors (despite being hit 3 times by Bob’s warping car ::)). Managed to get all the way up to 13th by the end. Chuffed with that & had one hell of a race…  :thumbup2:/ :surrender:

But I know that if I’d just not had one of the two big incidents, I’d have finished 5th easily. While if I’d had neither incident, I’d have walked away with a rare podium.  Ah, you’ve got to love “what if’s”. :laugh:

Legzy

p.s. I think the GTC + GT3 mix worked really well.

Yep, no worries mate.

The incident caused me to loose control but, it was bad luck that ended my race.

The TVR is great fun btw! 8)

Yeah i saw that in my mirror  :o

I hate it when i see backmarkers try to make space for me and then something bad happens to them, makes me feel bad even though there is nothing i can do  :laugh:

I think I am supposed to advertise the fact that the moderator's report is complete here now rather than in a separate thread. (Sorry Dave if not  ;D)
Please use PM in the usual way if need be.