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Car: Skip Barber Formula 2000
Track: Brands Hatch (Indy)

Practice: 18:00 for 135 mins (approx)
Qualifying: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30 - 45 laps (approx 40 mins)

Start: standing
1 'fast tow' (reset) available for each driver (available by pressing SHIFT+R by default)

Practice: A server will be available from approx. 19:00 - 23:00 the day before the race

Password: see above (#post_event_password)
Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=243;theme=33)

EDITed the lap count after some practice this morning.

I managed a best of 54.059 so I reckon the fast guys will be in the 52's.

This is a super combo to hotlap on 8)

Yeah great combo Pops..Running consistent low 53's at the moment with race fuel ( 3.1g  i think). Paddock is loads a fun !! ;D

Are we getting a practice server for this today 1.3  ?
Thanks.

I've started a session

Usual password

Think i wont bother with the skippy anymore. Its far too easy to loose the back either on power or off power now as it seems like there's more torque from the engine which to me has made it worse and too unpredictable. Never thought i'd say this but i'll be attempting the indycar races only.

I'm good for this one but once the race has ended for me I will have to leave straight away.

I have been asked back to work for a few weeks before closure and that means I'm nightshift tonight.

What times are you guys aiming for?

What you need is a train set spanner ;D. Can't believe you're bailing on us again! I'll tell Tony on you...

Thanks for hosting the session last night Stuart, really enjoyed it once I got passed the initial shock of coming straight from the Mazda. My style at the moment is more like the Ken Brock video posted recently (without the control) so I'm hoping once I smooth it out I'll be able to go faster but I agree the Skip really is a lot of fun to hot lap around here.

I suspect Paddock will eat me at some point but I'm looking forward to tonight....until the lapping starts that is - all the incentive I need to get a wriggle on!

Quickest last night with only a few on was low 53's so I think Pops is bang on the money with 52's Kerr....

I don't think Paul Richards has broken into the 52's yet (though he reckons it's doable), so the challenge is on!

It'll be tough to get clean laps in tonight on such a short track so a 52 will be pretty impressive!

Just had a quick go and it seems like fun.

A few of the corners seem to find the Skips point of no return earlier than expected. I think I will need to tone down the sliding and try and go straight ahead more often.

I think 52s will be had by a number of drivers tonight.

I managed a 53.049 last night.  Personally, I think I found my limit pretty quickly around 53.1/53.2.  Trying to squeeze those few extra hundredths out is where the real challenge lies, especially on such a short circuit.

I think Brendan, Paul Thurston and myself were all within a whisker of a 52 last night, but as Brendan says, you have to be so precise to get those quicker times. Most laps are mid to high 53's, although I'm sure Brian will come and make it look easy!!

I think this race will be the tightest race so far with lots of guys very close.

Also, I think a few costly mistakes will happen to decide the race and there will be one or two Brands Hatch specialists much faster than normal.

Server is up.

Brands Hatch just is not my circuit.

Qualified 5th with a time that was not my greatest but as expected everyone was really close. Great time by PaulR.

At the start I was all over Brendan and Dan all over me. Brendan took a tight line only to run wide and that was opening for a move. On the power too early and the back came around and I had to drive on to the grass to control.

Had to watch a few cars go past.

There was an accident in front on me and I've no idea how I missed Brendan's car skidding across the track.

Chased Dan hard for laps as we were closing in on Ken only for Dan to spin and leave me nowhere to go. It was only a minor clip but that's more than enough to bend the suspension.

Ken was now quicker and pulling away and Stuart was slightly faster behind but I was trying to adjust to driving the bent car.

A few laps later Ben lost it and again I was left with nowhere to go with no chance of missing him. Bang, race over.

I really thought that race was going to be fun tonight but I'm afraid it was far from it. Far too many accidents and incidents going on.

bah was really enjoying that until lap 14 with close racing with don and couple ahead, when someone ahead span on the exit of graham hill bend. Had to take to the grass to avoid hitting don mid apex  :( Rejoined with a big gap and then span a lap later. Must have lost my wing as the car was undriveable for next 3 laps so i hit the tow button and rejoined miles behind and no one to race. :'(
Then disaster, after neatly allowing lots to lap past me, had contact with my own team mate Paul R and saw his nose cone disapear. Sorry Paul, had every intention of letting you by after graham hill turn but you dived down the inside of me and we hit :(

The skips in a race here were brilliant fun, like all those single seater races ive seen at this place  8)  I still find them deadly boring to practise with though.

Incidents-tastic .... although a very clean start which was nice.

The first few laps gave me some great racing with Pops and Ross - all of us having "moments" .... I very nearly took Pops out on the run up to Druids after touching the grass ..... thankfully Pops gave me a wide berth, and then made the pass.  Ross fell off a little late, leaving 1.5 seconds to make up on Pops.  I seemed to making up ground on him when disaster struck.

I Clipped a spinner on the exit of Graham Hill bend - my car was a bit squirrely going into the bend which didn't help, and although I tried going round the outside on the grass I made the decision too late and clipped the other car, giving me a big chunk of suspension damage :(.  That off dropped me back a few positions, and the car was a real handful after that .... ultimatley leading to a spin into a wall and a lengthy wait in the pits.

I rejoined a couple of laps down, and then had a good few laps chasing Don round the circuit .... had I not been 2 laps behind him it would have been a LOT more fun :).

I really enjoyed running the car round this circuit, it's just a shame there were so many incidents and discos.

Wey hey, I'm still mopping up the champers from my race suit!!

Well I didn't pick any four leaf clovers or have any birds crap on me today, but I sure got a dose of good luck tonight. With numerous spinners, both back markers and near competitors, I was lucky not to make any contact. Then to cap it all Paul runs out of fuel on the last lap to gift me 2nd place. Throughout all of this I had Gary for company, initially ahead of me, but then after he spun at Paddock he fell behind. However he slowly but surely made ground on me so that he was right on my tail for the last 3 or 4 laps, just as I caught Paul due to his contact with Mark. So it was a three way scrap for two podium positions. The fact I had Paul to chase probably helped me, and then as mentioned he started spluttering out of Clearways and I thought all my Christmases had come at once!!

Grats to Paul H on his comfortable win.

Hmm, my first race for a while...and it showed.

Was very pleased to scrape under 53 seconds on my q lap to line up 4th.  I knew Brian behind me had quicker raw pace and I was very aware of how close he was.   After he had dropped a wheel off track, Dan took his place.  He had a better run at me through Graham Hill bend but I was able to keep a tighter line onto the SF straight.  We were side by side through Paddock and Druids and heading back into GH again, the space ran out.  Sorry Dan.  It's hard to tell from the replay, but I think I may have turned in slightly early and we both careered off track.  I lost control on the grass and came right back across track.  I tried to get out of the way but poor Darren had nowhere to go.  Sorry mate.

After the obligatory tow, I spent the rest of the race trying to claw back some pride and after numerous disco's, I hauled myself from last to 12th.

Sorry to those who I 'met' on track, but congrats to Paul, Ken and Gary.

I got a birds I view of that and I know it's cruel, but I couldn't help emitting a shout of glee as I nipped past. ;)

Qualified a very uncomfortable mid-pack.  The car is really touchy here and I had no confidence in it.

Disconnected on the grid as the lights went green.

Reconnected and drove round for 44 laps..  The end.

That was an incredibly intense race.

I was chuffed to finally break into the 53's and post a 53.6 and start in 13th, then dropped a couple of places being a little too cautious, had some very minor contact with Ross, not really sure what happened, but the car felt really weird after that and I couldn't really push.

Spent the rest of the races picking up places because of others misfortune.

Sorry to Ade & Dave, I just let you past as I didn't really feel confident racing closely late on as I was struggling quite a bit with the car, not sure if it was the contact with Ross or whether I'd destroyed the tyres by that point.

Messed up horribly on the last lap with Ross bearing down on me, I just needed to hit my braking point for the last turn, didn't, over compensated and Ross span making sure he avoided me. Apologies Ross, I think I cost you a place there.

Interesting to note I was one of only 4 drivers who failed to go under 54s in the race but I still finished 7th....

S**t Brian didnt realise you clipped me  :(....Silly mstake by me ,done about 80 laps in practice and didnt spin there once. ::) But having you in the mirrors dont help.

No probs Brendan  ;)  ...Yeah you just caught my rear wheel which steered my car to the right . It was a shame as it was some nice driving by the both of us. 8)

I think Ben would have been wiser to park it when his car got to damaged.

Me clipping you whilst trying to squeeze through the gap between you and the spinner probably didn't help either.

Completely and utterly bizarre race for me. Couldn't get a handle on the car at all in practice; tried multiple setups, lots of tweaking, all to no avail. Had absolutely no feeling for the car, most of all coming out of the final corner where it would grip or spin seemingly at random.

Still wasn't happy at the end of practice, so I made a strategic decision to qualify at the back, and drive well within myself for the first few laps at least. After the first lap I started to wonder if I wasn't going to watch the field walk away, as to my surprise nobody fell off, but then the spins and crashes started on lap 2 and I was soon working my way up the field.

After the incident where I clipped Adam my steering was somewhat bent. I resisted the urge to quit and carried on; at first it was really hard work, and I finally succumbed to the random handling in the final corner, spinning back a few places. However, what I had noticed is that with the suspension bent, the steering actually had a little more feel ::) so I picked myself up, dusted myself off and got stuck back in. Soon I was hacking my way back past cars again, and despite one frightening moment when a pack of three cars suddenly checked up in the last corner when I wasn't expecting it (probably had the same random handling I had!) and I ran into the back of somebody, luckily without any further damage.

After that I got past that little gaggle and was up to about 11th; reeled Pops in for 10th or so and after that it didn't look like I'd get much further.

Then suddenly in the last 10 laps or so all hell broke lose - cars started falling off and crashing into each other left, right and centre. :o ::) :laugh: With a lap and a half to go, I was 6th behind Simmo. I was catching him fast and I realised that he must be running out of fuel - I hadn't checked my usage at all, but half way round the penultimate lap I got the "5 to go" message - not a good sign in the Skippy. :no:

The car started coughing into Clark curve on the final lap but there was no value in splashing and dashing, so I just pressed on, short shifted, and hoped that Simmo would run out before me. He did.

Last to 5th. Bonkers. :D

Great result for me personally - but I hope the car feels better round the GP circuit if and when I do an official race in it this week! ???

During the race it was evident there was far too much action going on.

I don't think I have even been in a race with so many incident points scored.

Qually went well with a new PB for 3rd, kept it off the line, initially I had Brendan giving some pressure but breathed a sigh of relief when he and someone else skated off at Graham hill, I was a couple of seconds behing Paul H and pulling away from Ken.

A few laps in Mark J spun in front of me going through Paddock and I had to come to a deadstop which wiped out most of my gap to Ken, this put me off my stride and I spun at Paddock next time round and dropped 5.5 seconds behind Ken, I worked on clawing this back and was on his tail when Paul R spun and we were nose to tail for a few laps. When Paul ran out of fuel on the last lap and I got 3rd back.

Pleased with that but would have been interesting to see how close I would have been to Mr H in front on the last lap with my extra fuel load but for my two delays in the race.

Good fun and a special mention to Brian who showed great kindness in qually when he made a small mistake and lifted to let me past so as not to ruin my lap thanks Brian.

Regards
Gary

Nice to win that one when I wasn't really expecting it. Practice was good for fastest lap but dinner + kids as usual meant I was catching up again in qual and didn't get a great lap in. Luckily I got 2nd though and could tuck in behind Paul R and pull away a bit for the first half of the race, where we were a second or so apart every lap. Then Paul had a slow, lazy spin in Paddock and left me with a 6 second lead, so I just concentrated on consistent laps. Found MJ rather harder to lap than I expected given the 3 laps between us but when Paul had problems lapping him shortly after I was left with a nice big gap and could ease off big time - sorry to Dave who wanted me to lap him to save on the fuel, but sounds like it was for the best!. For a moment near the end I wondered if the fuel would run out for me, but although it spluttered near the end I still had 0.3 gals left.

Brands is a tough track in the skippy, so the incident count is perhaps no surprise. A lot of the problems though were caused by people coming back on track after a spin. I have to wonder whether some of these could not have been avoided.

Grats to Ken and Gary for the podium places. As for fuel Gary, who knows eh? Anyway, what's the problem, I let you beat me at Infineon, isn't that enough?  ;)

Grats on the win Paul.

I do agree that Brands is a difficult track to drive and I said so before the race.

However it's the drivers responsibility to make sure they are prepared enough to race and drive within their ability.

Obviously each incident has to be reviewed on it's own merit but it's pretty hard to justify the amount of incident points scored.

My race was very short but I witnessed and was involved in accidents that could and should have been avoided.

Well indeed - I wondered why you'd backed off over the last few laps and it didn't occur to me that it could be fuel until I saw Simmo slow on lap 44. Wish I'd gone with 4.5g now - I'll wager the car would've handled better too!

I put 4.5g in for every race.  The extra 0.7g makes little or no difference to laptimes and gives that piece of mind that you can easily make it to the end, barring incidents of course  ;)

Ah didn't realise ... not looked at the replay yet tbh.  Are you sure your brother didn't put you up to it after I cocked up his Dalara race last week ;) .....

The car became a real handful going through McLaren/Clearways, it was very unsettled, but the mishap that caused me to take a "fast" tow was actually on the Cooper Straight ::) - touched the grass with a rear wheel whilst wrestling with the car on the exit from GH.

Probably my fault, I'd made a passing move into Druids and as you turned in our wheels got a bit tangled - sorry if it did any damage.  I almost did the same to Dave later on so I clearly didn't learn from my first mistake.


Lol, no worries - easily done and I should have expected it given that you were clearly slowing up in the last few corners, I had a faster Ade bearing down on me too so I didn't have much leeway for backing off myself.

All in all, that was a real fun race and given my complete lack of practice I was surprised I had as much close racing as I did.

Cheers, Ross.

Bit of a mixed bag for me. Never really felt comfortable and only seemed to be being overtaken for the whole race.
I decided to just try and keep it steady and on the track, which seemed to work until the penultimate lap, when I had a lapper closing on me quick with the next placed guy in his wake,
I tried to leave room on the inside for him round Paddock, but when I ran out of room and had to turn in I clipped the side of his car sending us both off and catching a few cars behind in the chaos, really sorry for that, that spoilt what had been uptil then a clean race.

That was me Don.  Upto then I'd also had an incident free race!!  I think it was a miss understanding between us.  I was half way alongside as we approached paddock and was expecting you to brake early to let me have the corner.  You braked far later than I expected and as I was too busy looking at you, I missed my braking point, ran wide and we tangled.  I felt really sorry for John Stamper, he was next into Paddock and with you sitting on the left of the track and me on the right he had no chance.  He ducked right to avoid you only to find me sitting there.  Sorry John.

That was shaping up to be an epic one for me, not in terms of position but just for pure close quarters stuff, particularly in the early stages. I have to say in terms of racecraft and planning moves etc. that was probably one of my most enjoyable iRaces yet.

Didn't set the world alight with my qually pace, finding Dan's setup shared a few minutes before the session I got all excited but trying it out probably didn't help make the most of my time. Man you drive that thing loose Mr. Minton!! Could tell it would be quick but just didn't have the time to even attempt to learn the technique so reverted back to old faithful for the start.

I was making steady progress until ironically I came across said RVS driver stricken at Druids which promptly cause me to have a panic moment, lift and nearly loose the back end slow-mo style getting myself up the grass in the process.

After that it was attack attack attack (as Murray would say), until I lost some speed catching the gravel on the exit of Paddock which I think was Burtoner's green light to lunge for the inside at Druids regardless. That didn't work  ::).

Running 6th'ish and close to Stu for quite a few laps, I was hopeful of making something stick if I could keep it together long enough but it wasn't to be and after getting 3/4 of the car alongside on the outside of the exit of Druids I seemed to magically run out of road (yep that was the bump you felt Stu :)) and ended up going backwards towards Graham Hill.

The red mist descended and I really enjoyed the laps that followed as I put in a PB trying to catch up with Simmo again. Unfortunately though, while attempting to lap Ben for the fourth time driving what I think was an engine, three wheels and the remanence of some suspension we attempted to mate Skippys at Paddock, ending in heartbreak, rejection and a world of shattered dreams (possibly laying it on a bit thick?).

All in all a great combo and a top Tuesdays night's racing but I'm a bit surprised at the lack of PM's. I've been known to make a mistake *cough* once in a blue moon but I think it's always a nice gesture to acknowledge it. Leaving the race scoring 16 incident points was quite frustrating when three possibly four of those were actually deserved.

P.s - TS3 audio sounds awesome! Unfortunately Legzy's clearer but other than that, job well done lads!

Sorry for the bump James, wasn't intentional.  I lost where you were.  When I saw you shoot up to my left I thought you had outbraked yourself and gone off and you dissapeared from my mirrors.  I looked to the left and you weren't there then the next thing I felt a bump and you reappeared in my mirrors backwards!!  You have to admit, round the outside at Druids is a bit optimistic, although would have been amazing if you'd pulled it off!!!

We had a great race though, thouroughly enjoyed it.

Hey dont worry Oily I got a PM being told off for holding someone up while coming out of the pits in practice  ::)

Anyway was trying desperately to get the boy to sleep before qual. Managed to get a few laps in (obviously after causing major meyhem coming out of the pits) before he woke up. Got him out of bed and put him in an electric rocking chair where he could see the screen hoping to hypnotise him to sleep as qual started. It worked because by the end of qual he was soundo. It was then a case of hoping the batteries would hold up before the end of the race!

Struggled to get that many clean laps in kept catching others but when I did get a clear run I put in a couple of good laps doing a 52.8 followed by a 52.7 which was enough for pole.

Took 3.8 gals which was showing plenty of laps in pratice. Got a good start and pulled out a little lead to Paul. After 16 laps or so I checked fuel and it was horribly close! So I started short shifting and going up to 5th on the start/finish straight. I kept checking the fuel level so was losing my concentration a bit and Paul closed back in. Eventually changing down two gears into Paddock caused the rear to step out big time and I couldn't quite catch it and Paul did well to avoid me. That put me 6 secs behind but Paul soon came up on traffic and that dropped to just over 4. I then came up on the same traffic and was on the inside of MJ on the exit of druids. I thought he might let me go but he didnt as I wasn't alongside and came back over in front of me before the T3 left. I then completely misjudged his entry speed and rammed him clean up the rear as he broke earlier than I expected. Sorry MJ. That dropped me behind Ken but I was on his tail and my car was fine and I got back up to 2nd. I then started spluttering at the start of the last lap. It wasnt too bad at first but by the final straight it was so bad both Ken and Gary went passed before the finish.

Congrats to Paul for his win and to everyone else who had good finishes    

Some comments have suggested Brands being a bit of a difficult circuit in the Skippy, but to be honest I don't see it as any harder than many others on the schedule. Laguna has the Corkscrew and Infineon and VIR both have blind cresting corners. Apart from Paddock, Brands is pretty straightforward I'd say?

On the fuel, I actually ran some laps in practice with full tanks and I was still able to do 53.2's, which isn't very far off my PB.

It wasn't the theoretical difficulty, Ken, it was the utter lack of any feeling from the car, almost like the circuit had an ultra low grip surface.

I watched from your cockpit Ken in practice and you use one gear higher than everyone else I watched at Paddock and Clearways which might explain why you were so steady.  I couldn't do what you were doing with my setup so stuck with the lower gears in the end.

I did paddock in 4th and clearways in 3rd. The extra changes just seemed to get in the way and I wasn't any quicker going down a gear at either corner.

Yes, I think I probably was going down two for Paddock in my early exploratory laps, but I was changing back up so soon going down the hill that I thought it would make sense to stay in 4th. It was a bit harder to get it to initially turn in, but as ever, slow in fast out is often the best way!!

Mind Paul R was going through there much faster than me, that's where he really gained on me and did me in to Druids when he had briefly dropped back behind me.

Dave, if you can muscle a Late Model round there the way you do, surely the Skippy is a doddle??!!!

No way, the Late Model is sublime to drive. For me it's 1000 times easier to drive than the Skippy. For a start it doesn't swap ends the moment you lift off while cornering  :-\

As Picnic says, the Late Model doesn't swap ends if you have to lift off mid-bend. Plus it has actual steering feel. And proper tyres. And a proper engine. :D

I did a few laps round the GP circuit in the Skippy earlier, and it's a different beast. Not as good as some of the other cars, but a huge leap away from how it feels around the Indy circuit. I wonder if there's a surface join problem where McLaren joins Clearways/Clark - I don't remember anything like that in real life, and that seemed to be the place where a lot of people were having the worst time of it.

Well that is the only part that is any different to the GP (apart from the bits you don't actually use of course!!). Is it not just the subtle elevation change as you crest the ridge? Having never driven it for real I wouldn't know how accurate/innacurate it is.

Now when Oulton arrives I will be able to make that judgement. I'm so looking forward to that one, but seems Zandvort is ahead in the queue. :(

Looks like Zandvoort will get released today. EDIT: no it won't the update has been delayed.

Andy Purdie has driven Brands a fair bit as it's his local track but I'm not sure how much experience he's had on the Indy circuit. Andy?

Why would a practice session be different to any other session?

Paul, I wouldn't expect anyone to deliberately drive in a way to cause other drivers problems in a practice session but there would be a much higher degree of leeway allowable for people making mistakes and errors of judgement in a practice session compared to an 'official' qualifying session or race.

If you feel the incident was deliberate or serious enough, please use the incident reporting system to resolve it.

For the avoidance of doubt the PM did not come from Paul T, it was me and sent because its not the first time its happened.

I was not rude or abusive and just wanted to point out what had happened. Its not protestable in my view but could have been avoided.

Don't want to discuss any further here as this is a driver I have enormous respect for.

Gary

Thanks Gary.

I'd like everyone to bear that in mind, there's quite a few posts that come close to a public discussion of incidents. Please use PM's or the incident protest system to air your greivances.

As Gary said it wasn't me.  I was just picking up on the idea that a driver might treat practice sessions as less important.  That I think would be a bad precedent to set.

They aren't any less important but they are practice sessions and allowing drives to work through their mistakes is fine in that environment.

I wouldn't expect anyone to jump right in without having some degree of competance at a track though.

And while driving mistakes will inevitably be made, normal levels of courtesy, sportmanship and gentlemanly behaviour are demanded.

I didn't notice it at all in my road car. In fact I don't ever remember seeing a car spin there in real life - usually if somebody is going to go off there it's because they are carrying too much speed and wash out wide.

Ah ha!: "An improvement has been made to areas where multiple pieces of track join up so that the seams may be less bumpy. (http://members.iracing.com/iforum/thread.jspa?threadID=74295&tstart=0)"

There's definitely something just before the apex of McLaren which was making my G25 make a very unpleasant noise.  It didn't throw me off though.

I have raced at the Indy circuit back when I was in the Mighty Minis.  The kidney section in iRacing is very much how I remember it though obviously the car's very different and it was 1998.

In real life in a race situation I was a lot more tentative into McLaren than I am in a sim.  The barriers seem a  lot closer in real life and a Mini has a slight tendency to understeer.  I do remember that section as bumpy though.

I'm not convinced about that. I had many spins in practice there but it was always precipitated some way before the join to the GP circuit. I don't remember many people at all going off in the race there (can't think of anyone in fact).

Watching the replay, most drivers had problems at Paddock or Graham Hill - the quick ones.

Yep was a good giggle Stu, felt as if we were on elastic for a while there....shame we didn't get the grandstand finish. Druids move was ambitious but unlike many of my moves in iR, that one I'm confident was going to stick :).

Anyway no worries about bump, look forward to the next one....actually that's a lie....if a Dallara @ Infineon hasn't got trouble written all over it I don't know what has!!

Please make sure you read this post (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7569.new#new)

I can't feel any actual bump there, although Paul T mentions feeling something through his G25. I'd have to study the track map, but it is not just the same crest of the GP course where grip falls off, only your not travelling quite as fast on the Indy, but you are turning a tighter radius??

Regarding Zandvort, if it is imminent does that mean Oulton is next out of the sausage machine?? It will be great to get a proper rendition of OP, which is sadly missing from any of the other sims. GPL is the nearest, all those versions produced for rFactor and GTR/GTL etc are very poorly constructed as far as elevation mapping is concerned. I don't like criticising the hard work of track makers, but frankly they are comical.

(http://www.auga68.dsl.pipex.com/Brands_Hatch.jpg)

You go up, you go down. When you crest the rise you loose grip. Am I oversimplifying things here?
Elevation data from Google Earth.

As I said though, how many people were losing it over that crest? I wasn't at all, it was much earlier where I might have had a problem.

Yes Paul, but I'm merely trying to explain why Dave finds a lack of feel/grip at that point. My line is to try to turn the car before the crest, so by the time I kiss the curb at the apex I am winding the wheel back out.

There seemed to be an awful lot of the slower cars who were suddenly jamming on the anchors there - I nearly ran into several and actually did run into the back of one there.

OK Ken, I thought the discussion was about why there were so many incidents.

Don't think so Ken...

Zandvoort will be available today by the looks of it (site is down for maintainance right now).

Steve Myers said something like "the next content update would be the V8's and so Philip island was on top of the track production list."

It's hard to tell exactly though, he wasn't 100% explicit.

That would be the Aussie V8's then? Bathhurst then? Got a link for further details  :) Still not bitten by iR but those cars might just well swing it, I'll start saving my pennies :'(

Yes, it's the Ford V8 Supercar;

http://www.iracing.com/news/ford-v8-supercar-and-phillip-island-grand-prix-circuit-to-join-iracing-com-service/

They haven't been able to do a deal with Bathurst;

"As for Bathurst, I am afraid to tell you that we have not been able to gather any interest from them in partnering with us."

As well as Philip island, the other track they scanned was Oran Park.

replay available?

I have the replay but probably won't be able to upload it until Sunday as I'm away for the weekend. If no-one else can upload it I'll do it then.

I thought they scanned Oulton when they scanned Brands, but it seems the scan order doesn't necessarily govern the track release order. PI is a mighty fine track too though, great action there last weekend with the World Supers.

That's true Ken, they work on tracks in terms of importance (to the service) rather than strict chronological order.

I think Long Beach was scanned right at the very beginning but has been on hold waiting for the technology to catch up with the object complexity.

The moderators report has now been published.

Interesting even though I was involved but not any cause of incident looks like it went unnoticed..