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Practice 1:	20:00	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:10	(20 mins)
Race:	20:30	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: Any GTC or GT3 from the v2.12.0.0 pack (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#post_physics)).
Weather: 30% rain.
Track: Nogaro (v1.1.0.1; download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54900#post_nogaro)).
Race Start Time: 14:00.
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR U12LE
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

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Can I just confirm that server is set to 30% rain? Its damp but might be 25% for all I can tell :)

Can't be on 25% as the server has options for 10,20,30% .... etc only ;) Just checked and it is 30%

is this sudden fondness for rain linked to you calling time on your GTR2 driving Dave? Punishing the rest of us left behind? ;)

Are you sure, it did feel like 25% ;) Cheers Pete.

Scared? ;)

If I was still racing they'd all be wet! Mwuhahaha!

You quit GTR2, Gizmo? :(

For the time being. I'd already hit the plateau of my performance and now I appear to have dropped off the cliff on the other side...

 :( i'm sad to hear this, hope you get your motivation back soon

It's a shame because it looks like the shark team are going to need all the help they can get in everything but GT1's  :-*

 Yes sad news,

 Spread you wings Dave and try and soar back up.
 You never know you might just catch a thermal.

You could always revitalise your career by joining the fledgling SBRC team and taking them to victory in PnG!   ;D

Not going to have had anymore than a handful of laps practice for this race as i have had a really busy week and i'm out all weekend too  :o

From my brief test i can see it is quite a challenge to get a good lap in as the rain is just enough to make the track very slippery indeed. Going to have to make some big calls on tyres here too as i noticed pretty much anything will work - i was even able to do a lap in my Porsche with hard slicks on! And it wasn't much slower than softs!

1:41.400 in the GTC Aston, full tank, hard wets F/R. Man that track is slippy. Whats everyone else getting? Mid 1:30's I'm guessing  :'(

Ooo good luck Stew, best not to handicap yourself beforehand hey ;)

Was on earlier for only a few laps. Think i managed a 37 in the GTC porka but its a horrible combo. I guess Dave is punishing us for sticking with it ;D Loads of grip at the rear and almost none at the front, what a car!

Being as fast as you are, maybe you might want to try a slower car then the 997 :whistling:

Not quite sure what you mean ??? I'm going to take my customary place at the back of the grid again I think.

Yes i had noticed that there were a lot of Porka's in the first round so i may try something different to spice things up a bit if i get chance to get a setup done for one of the others  :)

The Aston is a bit of a black sheep of the class, strange tyre wear, strange handling. I've always been a sec or two off my times in the 997 with it and never quite been happy driving it. If you've managed to get it working well done :)

I just want to finish a race!  ::)

hello,

how often can i change the cars during a season??
i do read in...NOTE (4) driver may change only one time the car without penalty (something like this) -
so if i do change from porsche cup to another car in GTC class, i must stay with this car the rest of season or i get a penalty?
or do this mean that i can change only one time from GTC class to GT3 class and then not back or i get a penalty?
or can i drive in each race each class and each car?

sorry for question, english understanding is not easy for me ???

servus

You can switch to one more GTC car for free. If you then change to another GTC car (even back to your original choice) you'll lose 20% of points earned in that race only.
You can change to GT3 for free & would have the chance for one free swap in that class too

thanks legzy,

i was thinking this, but was not sure, and loosing 20% of points for one race is not much, good to know this.

How do we deal with half points when we take 20% off, ie: A driver finishes second and scores 12 points - 20% = -2.4points.

Is that 2 or 3 points off his total for the round? Or is the points table made up including the decimal point so the driver would simply have 9.6 points?

Do you really care? :-\ ;)

If it helps, in season 10 I switched my GTC about 3/4 times... you could have a look at the points I was deducted through doing so & work it out that way.

I'm more concerned by the massive advantage some of the more economical cars are going to be getting in this Nogaro race >:(.

My understanding is that 99% of the cars can't finish a race on one full tank of fuel in dry conditions.
But because this race is in 30% wet, the number of laps required to complete the race will be reduced, not to mention the 'lower rev' nature wet driving requires.
So for this race, I reckon 50% of the cars could do the distance on one full tank of fuel while the poor chaps who picked less economical cars for the season will lose a bunch of time topping up.

I think I'm in the lucky 50% here, but I'm rapidly coming to the opinion that Rain can spoil a race, while the dry never will.

Don't eat red and green mushrooms next time, Legz. ;)

What about tyres? I did not even consider the fuel because my tyres will never last for 80 mins. That must be the same for the others. I hope. ;D

I forgot about the mandatory pit stop when I wrote that. Only been racing here in Enduro for about 2 years. Numpty. ::)

In the TVR I will probably not need to take on any fuel at the stop if I start with a full tank. However, my tyres will need changing at around the 40 min mark.

As for the red and green mushrooms, too much time playing Super Mario Bros when younger will give you a fondness of such things. ;D

My god, what a bloody tough track and even worse in wet, I can just about keep it on track going around, maybe I skip this, I try bit more practice..

Just tried a quick AI race from both standing and rolling start and the starting lights sequence seems a little unusual here. Maybe an idea to be extra careful when setting out on the formation lap. ;)

Yep the light are not as they should be - basically we all need to wait until they have gone out after the start sequence - if they are still lit and you move it will be a stop/go

How odd.

Qualified alright, 3rd in GT3 - getting reasonably good at Qualifying these days!

Race...well, my setup wasn't up to scratch - tyres that were running at a nice temperature in Quali were cold in the race so I was sliding about a lot, dropped down the order a bit and had a wee spin - also had a bit of contact up my rear from a white Porsche (can't remember who!) - just a tiny tap, I think I was slower than expected out of T1/2 (see: Tyre Issues!) and so I got a wee tap that sent me round.

Set about chasing the folks ahead of me, had caught up to a group of 3 that had passed me whilst I was recovering from my incident with the Porsche when my monitor went black and into stanby, and my wheel stopped responding - not sure what happened, but something crashed on my machine - hopefully I didn't go all stationary and get in anybodys way!

Bit of a disaster. Every time I was close to the car in front my fps went through the floor, decided to quit after I hit a couple of people.
Sorry  ::)  :-[

Yeah, that was probably me... Sorry!

I made lots of mistakes and eventually beached the car. :(

I could not safely pass the two leading GT3s in the early stages without destroying their race. However, my lap time was not slowed much anyway lol.

Have a good one all.

Nice track choice, shame it was spoilt by adding rain. If it hadn't been a season race or if our worst race score didn't count at the season end, I'd have pulled over early.

I've sadly reached a point with GTR2 where I'm of the opinion 'adding rain does nothing but spoil the racing'.
We're doing Suzuka next week which has to be one of my favourite tracks because of the quality bends... which the announced rain is just going to ruin, to tip toeing for 80 mins.

Because it's a favourite I'll turn up for that one, but I think I'll join what seems to be a growing brigade of people not interested in attending wet races. :-\

I used to one of those that moaned about the variable weather and campaigned for fixed weather, wet or dry just let us know. But it really made a mess of tonight's race. The classes aren't that far apart and adding the rain meant a very mixed up grid. I think I was 5th in the lower class but still quicker than 3 or 4 GTC. I then promptly ruined Purdie's race at T1. This was on the exit not by hitting him during the braking/turn in. Normally the GTC cars gain their advantage over us slower GT3 in the braking and through the corners. So I got caught out, now the weather won't have helped, and not being soaking wet I suspect there were different tyre compounds in use. Something I didn't really think about until much later on. But sadly my limited skill means I couldn't react quickly enough and I'm really disappointed to have caused that accident.

Maybe that tainted my view for the rest of the race but I didn't enjoy the slip sliding around for 80 mins, 40 is enough. Suzuka has never been a track I've excelled at so I'll find something else to do next week :( At least you'll all be able to race without be punting you off  :'(

Beautiful race, Spanner-san. :notworthy:

Well done, podys.

Seee, rain isn't so bad. ;)

Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20100307%20U12LE/index.html)

Pretty much sums up my feelings too. I won't be bothering with Suzuka, or any wet races in the foreseeable future for that matter.

I didn't enjoy that much. 30% water is too dry for wets to be truly happy and too wet for slicks which I have used on 'damp' tracks before. I never get on with inters  :-\

I spent the race seemingly with an alien GT3 attached to my tail waiting for them to drive into me in the corners and making myself a gap on the long straight. It must have been frustrating for the alien GT3 people too (Lazlow and GsiBob you were very tolerant).

In those conditions there was not enough gap between aliens in the 'slower' class and muppets like me in the 'faster' car and I am surprised there was not more contact in the reports I have read.

Two new tracks for me coming up in LE so that should be interesting.

Well done to class winners and podiums.

Fairly dull race for me too im afraid. Spent a long time in 10th-12th, clawed up to 7th when the pitstops started. Was only taking on new tyres so was hopeful of gaining a few places but when i pitted the stupid idiots tried to put another 65l in the car. I desperately tried to hit the arrow keys to get fuel down to none (as it was set in my garage screen!) , stop took 47 seconds and i came out 5 places down and 30 secs behind the nearest car >:(

Charged in last part of race to close on Mcfids and API who i though both had to stop yet but they never did and then i got whacked up the jacksy by lapping Jayblue to effectively end the chase for me. Misunderstanding there as i did flash my lights twice and pull as wide as i could to give you the inside line of the corner  ??? Glad it didnt end your race at least.
I seemed well off pace of the front 8 tonight  :-\

Why have we suddenly gone from variable weather to fixed ? 80mins rain is a bit pants, especially on a track like this. Variable is where its at for Enduros !  I thought we had a working weather system sorted?

had a bit of fun keeping ahead of JPV, then catching and passing Lee after he seemed to be struggling with tyres
Don't really mind rain particularly if it's announced in advance but it adds nothing, race would have been much
more fun in a dry or with a shower for ten mins. Wanted to take my usual Viper but on that track it's too big anyway
and in the wet was pointless, so tried the z3m heck what a horrible car! maybe it's better in the dry, but it took me all of prac and qual to get something drivable in the wet.

I did say that whatever I did with the weather people would complain... ::)

LOL guilty as charged. Although I didn't enjoy the rain here the biggest problem was the track/weather/class combination meaning the 2 classes were not having their own races as the slower GTC guys were mixed in with the GT3 crowd. Even I was quicker than some in qualifying. That shouldn't be happening in my opinion.

Lol I'd see it as constructive :) It just didn't work for me as the ickle bimmer really didn't have a suitable tyre, I couldn't get heat into the inters and the hard wets didn't last long. It also made a Vertigo friendly track, very very friendly for them. 

Just watched the replay back and i don't really know why i didn't realize until too late what was going on  :-[

Totally my fault, sorry again. If it had ended my race then at least i can say i only had myself to blame. It was one of those moments that was very cringeworthy for me as i saw your car go off in my mirror.

As for my race, well i tried the Porka during the week but as many others have remarked 30% rain is an unusual condition for any track to stay at for an entire length and i couldn't really get any of the tyres to work for a full stint. Add that to the fact i dislike the Porka's handling in the rain and i decided to change car. I noticed Bob was doing well in the GT3 Vertigo and didn't have time to test all the cars so i decided to go for the GTC Vertigo. Initial laps showed fuel was marginal but 51 laps was ok, and that despite my soft wets running very hot they would last for 25 laps too.

Single lap pace was very good and quali went as expected. During the race Berger made a go of it early on but i was able to pull away progressively, pitting with a 15 second lead. This was slightly larger after my stop and i think at that point we both settled for our positions. Other than my unfortuante lack of vision with Mark the race was pretty dull, my only real entertainment came from viewing the Spanner vs TT battle for third when i lapped them! I know you are right in saying everyone will moan whatever you do with the weather Dave but imo the variable weather provided a much less predictable way to race, even if we did see a wet track one or two times too many. Being able to prepare for exact track conditions like this just takes the edge off it for me. Consider events like Donny last season when Simon won as an example!

Anyway congrats to Berger and Spanner, Lazlow, Bob and API on their podiums.

That was more enjoyable than the car/track/weather combo looked on paper. The Mosler wasn't too bad with hard wets even though they fell to pieces after 40mins :)

A poor 16th qually position was not helped by a mass exodus of rear order drivers (including me) at T1 of the race who were caught out by cold tyres. Now dead last, but had good fun working my way up to 12th and homing in on MJ and APV before the pitstop. Got the jump on MJ by 15secs after the pitstop, but he then began to slowly erode my lead. Shame about your incident Mark as it was looking to be a very, very close finish. Not a too shabby 10th in the end.  

My 2 cents: I found the fixed rain a bit dull; it made racing tricky and you knew it wasn't going to change. I would suggest the following:

For the GT1/2 UE series: Fixed dry weather for all tracks to let the faster GT1s race with more confidence.
For the GTC/GT3 LE series: Return to the seeded changeable weather with these slower cars

  
 

I still hate the rain after that ;)

Was on soft/hard wets and wasnt expecting to last too long as the car becomes a real handful with not enough grip at the front and too much power at the rear after 10 laps or so. Became clear early on the TT ahead was struggling a bit to turn in at times, that or just defending alot! But that resulted is some brilliant racing even if we were slowing each other up and letting the guys behind catch us. I finally managed to get past after some side by side action but by then I was struggling with the tyres and only managed to gain by a few secs. However i was really struggling to keep it in a straight line, loosing the front under braking and struggling for traction out of alot of the corners so after a little while TT came back and managed to get past and so it stayed, with me err millimeters at times of his bumper as we seemed to be sliding round the hairpin lol tenths apart for the most of it.

Managed to get ahead somehow through the pit stop as well even if i forgot to restart the engine when i didnt even need to stop it ::)  

But something didnt feel right in the second part and was really struggling and soon TT was back past. A slight tweak on the brake bias forward seemed to help and a large z4 ahead to concentrate on and i was again stuck to the back of him, till about 5mins to go :( TT sideways through the the 3rd corner as normal but he seems to be a bit slower or more sideways, and i was too close as i seem to be able to go through there a bit quicker but any atempt at trying to slow a tiny bit spat me into the gravel. Managed to get back on with Lazlow only a second or so behind but there was only about two laps left anyway. You got off lightly TT with no last lap lunge!

That was the most stressfull race ever and the best 8)

Count the number of negative rain comments/complaints after every wet race and compare it to the number of complaints
after a dry race.... Usually an occasional talented member or two will relish a wet race for the extra challenge it brings
Most people just put up with it.

Good little track but with little practice and stupidly all in the dry (yes my fault for not reading post properly  ::)) so had a great dry setup!!!

In practice was hustling tyres trying to find best combo......didn't work! So in quali I was concentrating on my tyres and didn't get a flying lap in.


No problem whatsoever mate, I pm'd you  ;) Please do race next week! I'm more sorry for mucking up a race of someone who was competitive in their class, unlike me in this instance  ::) I just had a slow apex speed into T1, just being steady.... only a racing incident. Plus I quit a few laps later (no damage to car) after my virus scanner kicked in  :-\  :D

The classes are only about 2 secs apart i think in the dry, throw in a twisty track with no long straights and then some rain and I wasn't suprised to be mixing it with GT3's considering the amount of practice I had. The only fear is ruining the top GT3 runners race, but its all part of mult-class racing.

A technical and challenging track.... bring on more rain! When told how much it will rain it makes life easier.... if you read the post properly lol  :laugh: ::)

hello,

i did test porsche and the soft slicks and intermed. do not get enough temperature, hard wets are ok, but not realy great, the soft wets was quicker, but only 1 or 2 laps possible, then the temps. was totaly in the red., so i did try spyker and i was happy a lot, the soft wet was perfect, around 95-115°, i like this temps. for wet tyres totaly, little to hot is much better then little to low temps.
for quali and race i can not write much.
i was ill (to much alcohol and to long out on saturday to sunday long in the morning :no:) no practise before the race and my hands did shake and my brain did hurt very much and i did sweat so much.
i was not happy with my quali laptime and my race laptimes, but i did no mistakes on track and i had no accidents with lapping cars, everyone was good to me.
i had a lonely race, jayblue was to fast and the truetom and spanner could not follow me, i was happy if race was over.
there is much more potential in this spyker, on saturday i was on low to mid 1.35 laptimes with 100l and 1.34.0xx for quali, but yesterday i was not able to repeat this, it had can be a good battle with jayblue if i was not ill.
the spyker did drive very good in 30% wet, very stabile and easy to drive, good car!

congrats to class winners and podiums

one thing i was disapointed to see (and some will recognise this same complaint in P&G !) is why we allow car swapping throughout the season with no penalty? I really cant see the point in allowing that as it just means people pick the right car for the right track :( If someone wants to take a nippy little vertigo then fine, and they will do great on a track like this, but then make them take it at a fast track like Spa or Monza as well !  I think car choices should be fixed for the season to make it a 'season', otherwise its just xx independant free-for-all rounds..which sucks. :P  Maybe allow just one change without a penalty in case someone finds they really arnt getting on with their car. We all want a season long fight and peeps shouldnt gain an advantage by picking the right tool for the job that weekend.
Not pointing at anyone in particular but am always surprised when the really quick guys choose the fastest cars for a track...arent you fast enough/want a challenge ! ?  ;)

I agree. :(

You're only allowed one free car change then there is a 20% point penalty for the race for every other change you make. Unless I pick a car at the start of a season I can't drive then I stick to that decision. S11 I took the Exige  :-[ Silly Picnic  ;D

I spent the race seemingly with an alien GT3 attached to my tail waiting for them to drive into me in the corners and making myself a gap on the long straight. It must have been frustrating for the alien GT3 people too (Lazlow and GsiBob you were very tolerant).

I can confirm that the new Borg implants are working well,especially well with the new
PG Tips enhanced super chimp elixir.

Keep up the good work.  ;D

It wasnt a case of picking the fastest car for me, rather choosing a car that actually worked in the conditions. My laptimes in the Porka were very comparable to the Vertigo but it had serious issues with the tyres either being too hot or too cold. It is my natural inclination to pick what i consider to be the most suitable car on the day, picking something you know will seriously compromise your race seem odd but i guess i can give it a go, although that will now carry a 20% points penalty on top too  :-\

There are other people here who are equallly as quick as me, some like Jeffrey quicker. JonM always gave me a good race, Busi and Freq also. And of course Berger who is always right up there. I don't particularly enjoy driving around by myself like i did on Sunday, i much prefer to be racing! But if all of the above turn up and i pick a slow car i can guarantee i won't be competitive. It is swings and roundabouts!

Who says you have to win every race.
Season, like MJ said, is one car. Especially in random / various weather to use one car the whole season is to anull the advantage that one car might have over the others in dry and might be cack in the wet. Using different cars for different weather or different tracks even, is ... not my way. Maybe 20% penalty is there to discourage this activity. ;)
Of course, we're all unique, so any oppinion is valid.

I dont think that it is really fair to say that fast people should not have the fast cars. We are here to have fun. You should choose the car that is most fun for you. If we were racing for prize money, then maybe things would be different.

What if someone told MJ he could not use a Porka because he was too quick in it? He would be immediately looking for another league. :)

We're talking about changing cars mid season. Nothing else. :)

Ok, ok. :P

While on this topic I have to say I was a bit cheeky taking the Viper at Monza U12UE as I will be racing the Lambo for the other UE races. I really wanted to drive the Viper at Monza as I had not done so yet, not just because the Lambo has a disadvantage there. Honest guv.

I still did not even get close to the aliens. And Freq was in a Lister, lol.

I loved driving the TVR at Nogaro. I was not able to challenge any of the faster drivers including gsi Bob, Lazlow and SBG in GT3s.  ;D
I was just going on the personal challenge of trying to get the car to the end. Which I failed at. :D It was still great fun and I have no plans to change car.

I did totally miss my pit box as it was close to the pit entrance. That combined with the seemingly crazy extra speed in the pit lane on this track caught me off guard. If I had of been more on the ball, I would have realised it would be a different approach than what I was expecting when I pulled out of the pit in qually. ::)